Team Melee Mini Mafia V: Newbies and Vets - Page 54

On July 12 2014 14:29 GlowingBear wrote:

So, for what I read until now, I have three main targets I want to read more: ExO, Robik and Eden. I'll filter dive them tomorrow, as I didn't have energy enough even to read through 50 long pages.
I have a stronger hunch on sqrt/alakaslam, as a lot of people were saying here.

Why these guys? Because my way of scumhunting is going through passivity and too much friendly behavior. Going against people there were being quite and being friendly was my best bet on my first game and when I did that most of my readings got the right guys.

On July 12 2014 15:29 GlowingBear wrote:
But I didn't said that... geez...
I had suspicions on you, which doesn't mean you're necessarily suspicious of overly friendly behavior or passivity... that's why I'll filter dive you, so I can get a better view of what gave me the feeling that you were suspicious.

My main scumhunting is attacking passivity/friendly behavior. It's not may only scumhunting method.

On July 12 2014 18:54 marvellosity wrote:
I'm at my best friend's wedding today, so I'm leaving things in mderg's capable hands. He's probably going to make the final decision, not sure if/when I'll be able to check my phone.

Few things I noted, mebbe they're useful or will be, maybe not. With slam/sqrt, check how easy the wagon is, I don't see any pushback for the lynch. I don't really get this weird martyring behaviour from a team of 2, you'd expect at least one of them to prop up the other. I don't know what that means. They're both unstable? Or it's a ploy? ?? I'm not used to Slam insulting the thread like this. That doesn't make me feel good. I'm tentatively ok with this lynch but with reservations I guess.

Stratiform doesn't look quite so bad. Not sure about Palmar. Not gonna be around to judge him on today's play so meh.

Poofter didn't bother playing. Many scumpoints. I've felt ok about bunnies, but Poofter dragging her down. Probably not lynch but I don't trust.

Right now I like Haru/Glowing for mafia most.


Throws in random names (Robik, ExO, Eden) and a couple of times states that he scumhunts through passivity and friendly behaviour. These 3 names don't make much (any?) sense in this context. Robik the most abrasive of them all, Eden has been active, ExO's argued his corner firmly enough. His description of what he's looking for -> these 3 names doesn't seem natural to me. He brings up Robik as suspicious again in a later post but again never explains why, again it is the opposite of what he's looking for in mafia.
sqrt/Slam may have been passive to some extent maybe? They've been quite prickly too. There seems to be a whole bunch of other targets that conform to his self-professed view.

Basically I find the 3 names he throws in, together with his self-styled description of scumhunting, together with how he introduced sqrt/slam as scummy after that, very suspicious indeed. My best bet for mafia right now.

On July 12 2014 19:14 Eden1892 wrote:
Unflipped associations time!

If you're right about Shiny Ursaring being mafia, marv, then that explains why there's no counterwagon: the other mafia is busing.

Slamroot set itself up to be bused when it got caught -- notice how both members completely drop any effort to defend themselves from pressing questions as soon as they're brought up. If we're being honest, sqrt's post that I called him out on which started the avalanche of suspicion on their slot wasn't this damning or obvious. It snowballed because Slamroot didn't bother responding to any accusations whatsoever. I would acknowledge that giving up straight away is probably suboptimal play for the mafia because I don't think it would have been very difficult to defuse suspicions about them; however, even if suboptimal, it still conceivably advances scum wincon by allowing the partner to bus for credit. As town behavior OTOH it's not merely suboptimal, it's completely nonsensical. Giving up, spamming the thread and getting mislynched by a case that could reasonably be refuted is literally 100% negative utility for town.

So of course there isn't gonna be a counterwagon, and this shouldn't discourage anyone from voting for Slamroot today. There's not gonna be a counterwagon because Slamroot's partner is going to bus because the current situation is unsalvageable. What we want to look for is a slot that's acknowledging Slamroot's guilt and probably even voting for them, but whose reasoning isn't sound and whose primary claimed suspicions are elsewhere (and relatively unexplained).

So far Shiny Ursaring fits the bill there and I'd be happy to lynch them tomorrow, but I think there's just no way Slamroot is town.

On July 12 2014 19:19 Eden1892 wrote:
haru can you restate that for me? i straight up don't understand how your responses match up with what marv is saying

On July 12 2014 19:21 HaruRH wrote:


WRONG WRONG WRONG

Theres no counter wagon because NOBODY SET IT UP YET

Its not too late to salvage the situation dude, if I was scum and slam is scum now, I can easily salvage this hole they jumped into easily

Rather than thinking if we were bussing, think if slam is scum in the first place

Glowingbear doesn't fit the bill at all. You're just looking for another town to steamroll through d2. So I understand from your intent that you want to -> lynch slam d1 into lynching us d2. Note that only scum would set up a d2 lynch before a d1.

your actions have been recorded.

On July 12 2014 19:23 HaruRH wrote:


Marv says robik, exo, eden are just names glowingbear threw in

I reply with how robik, exo and eden have been playing scummy

On July 12 2014 19:24 Eden1892 wrote:

no shit they've been recorded, i posted it in a public thread on the internet for all to see

you've completely missed the boat on the point of my post, i'm trying to get marv off of your slot and onto lynching Slamroot because that's what i want for today. idgaf about the d2 lynch right now because we've already got the silly "there's no counterwagon so it must be a mislynch!" argument coming out and i'm not about to let this obvscum off the hook on that copout

On July 12 2014 19:23 HaruRH wrote:


Marv says robik, exo, eden are just names glowingbear threw in

I reply with how robik, exo and eden have been playing scummy

On July 12 2014 19:25 Eden1892 wrote:

this didn't actually happen, you gave an explanation of how robik might have been shady to someone with no meta experience and then just handwaved the rest/didn't explain it

On July 12 2014 19:30 marvellosity wrote:

As far as I can tell, you're just throwing together justifications for suspecting them.

Yes, to be honest I would expect mderg rather than Robik. Or chairman ray. Or stratiform. or sinani.

All these names fit his bill much more than Robik does.

you've already explained HIS robik read more than HE has even tried to. Maybe you can see the problem with that.

On July 12 2014 19:29 HaruRH wrote:


Your intent was obviously setting us up as scum that is bussing slamroot. Stop trying to pretend it isn't.

The flow of your post goes like this:
1) if glowingbear is scum, he is bussing
2) slamroot is bussable due to how bad their response to being lynched was
3) they're scum because.....
4) no counterwagon because they're going to be bussed
5) looking for team which fits description of bussing
6) glowingbear fits the bill
7) happy to lynch glowingbear tomorrow