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slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 23 2014 23:08 GMT
#1161
Think about how hard it is to lynch YKZ. Then subtract a VE. Game is hard.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
June 23 2014 23:09 GMT
#1162
Yeah okay. Well put.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
June 23 2014 23:10 GMT
#1163
At least I'm going to flip town. That might help.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
June 23 2014 23:10 GMT
#1164
VE, when did you start reading me as town? I was on the mderg wagon later on, yet you stayed on BH. Also, did you not have any reads of your own on BH/mderg? Were the people on the wagons really that important to you?
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
June 23 2014 23:13 GMT
#1165
Wrong question Artanis. I'm already dying. Ask me something that matters.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 23 2014 23:13 GMT
#1166
I gave this thread everything. I am in bed hopefully sleeping.
pls Artanis pls
I had a good night of sleep.
Release
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4397 Posts
June 23 2014 23:14 GMT
#1167
Can you underscore/quote specifically where Lazer votes based on others' reasons?
☺
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
June 23 2014 23:14 GMT
#1168
VE, now is not the time to tell everyone how much you are going to flip town when you flip...
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
June 23 2014 23:16 GMT
#1169
On June 24 2014 08:13 Koshi wrote:
I gave this thread everything. I am in bed hopefully sleeping.
pls Artanis pls

Emotional appeal does not help.

I still believe in a mass exodus onto Koshi. Is there anyone that has a townread on him that isn't based on something factually wrong (his townplay being bad)?
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
June 23 2014 23:17 GMT
#1170
I'd do it obviously.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
June 23 2014 23:18 GMT
#1171
On June 24 2014 08:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2014 08:13 Koshi wrote:
I gave this thread everything. I am in bed hopefully sleeping.
pls Artanis pls

Emotional appeal does not help.

I still believe in a mass exodus onto Koshi. Is there anyone that has a townread on him that isn't based on something factually wrong (his townplay being bad)?

I wouldn't be super sad about Koshi dying but as it seems like VE is just much better to lynch today. Look at VEs filter this last hour. Its so non-commital. Exactly what you expect from dying scum.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
June 23 2014 23:19 GMT
#1172
On June 24 2014 08:18 Lazermonkey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2014 08:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On June 24 2014 08:13 Koshi wrote:
I gave this thread everything. I am in bed hopefully sleeping.
pls Artanis pls

Emotional appeal does not help.

I still believe in a mass exodus onto Koshi. Is there anyone that has a townread on him that isn't based on something factually wrong (his townplay being bad)?

I wouldn't be super sad about Koshi dying but as it seems like VE is just much better to lynch today. Look at VEs filter this last hour. Its so non-commital. Exactly what you expect from dying scum.

Maybe your average scum, not VE scum. VE scum either actually fights the lynch or just leaves the thread. VE town rubs it in everyone's face that he's the wrong lynch.
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
June 23 2014 23:22 GMT
#1173
On June 24 2014 08:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2014 08:18 Lazermonkey wrote:
On June 24 2014 08:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On June 24 2014 08:13 Koshi wrote:
I gave this thread everything. I am in bed hopefully sleeping.
pls Artanis pls

Emotional appeal does not help.

I still believe in a mass exodus onto Koshi. Is there anyone that has a townread on him that isn't based on something factually wrong (his townplay being bad)?

I wouldn't be super sad about Koshi dying but as it seems like VE is just much better to lynch today. Look at VEs filter this last hour. Its so non-commital. Exactly what you expect from dying scum.

Maybe your average scum, not VE scum. VE scum either actually fights the lynch or just leaves the thread. VE town rubs it in everyone's face that he's the wrong lynch.

So I don't really have time to look through massive amounts of games to check if this is true or not. But if it is then not lynching VE may be the correct thing to do. Though I don't really think that.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 23 2014 23:25 GMT
#1174
Koshi time? Koshi time.

##Unvote Lazermonkey
##Vote Koshi
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
June 23 2014 23:25 GMT
#1175
Like I don't even know what you expect. I'm in here interacting with the thread, I dropped reads. I'm obviously reevaluating REAL TIME. Like....this is the best scumgame in my LIFE if I'm scum here. Yet everything I say seems to make people MORE certain. It's really bizarre, at this point I'm mostly intrigued and not even mad.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
June 23 2014 23:25 GMT
#1176
On June 24 2014 08:22 Lazermonkey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2014 08:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On June 24 2014 08:18 Lazermonkey wrote:
On June 24 2014 08:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On June 24 2014 08:13 Koshi wrote:
I gave this thread everything. I am in bed hopefully sleeping.
pls Artanis pls

Emotional appeal does not help.

I still believe in a mass exodus onto Koshi. Is there anyone that has a townread on him that isn't based on something factually wrong (his townplay being bad)?

I wouldn't be super sad about Koshi dying but as it seems like VE is just much better to lynch today. Look at VEs filter this last hour. Its so non-commital. Exactly what you expect from dying scum.

Maybe your average scum, not VE scum. VE scum either actually fights the lynch or just leaves the thread. VE town rubs it in everyone's face that he's the wrong lynch.

So I don't really have time to look through massive amounts of games to check if this is true or not. But if it is then not lynching VE may be the correct thing to do. Though I don't really think that.

I could be wrong, this is from memory. I remember marv catching VE in a hydra game I hosted a while back and VE just checked out of the game entirely. I've also seen him in I believe it was the shadow game I hosted where he stressed about how he was the wrong lynch as town.
YouKnowZhou
Profile Joined June 2014
United States262 Posts
June 23 2014 23:26 GMT
#1177
On June 24 2014 08:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2014 08:18 Lazermonkey wrote:
On June 24 2014 08:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On June 24 2014 08:13 Koshi wrote:
I gave this thread everything. I am in bed hopefully sleeping.
pls Artanis pls

Emotional appeal does not help.

I still believe in a mass exodus onto Koshi. Is there anyone that has a townread on him that isn't based on something factually wrong (his townplay being bad)?

I wouldn't be super sad about Koshi dying but as it seems like VE is just much better to lynch today. Look at VEs filter this last hour. Its so non-commital. Exactly what you expect from dying scum.

Maybe your average scum, not VE scum. VE scum either actually fights the lynch or just leaves the thread. VE town rubs it in everyone's face that he's the wrong lynch.

Weak insubstantiated meta claim of reproducible town behavior trumped by actual case, imo.




Koshi!

So, I've made some noises about Koshi as a potential 3rd tier scumread and have been asked to clarify that read. I know I defended him pretty strongly during D2 on policy grounds, and have basically ignored him today, D3, in my attempts to lynch VE. This post rectifies the situation.

First, I think we can check Koshi's D1 27nb vote. He was casting a vote cause he just replaced in and D1 was about to end.

He calls out VE for lack of a structured case on mderg, which I like (link). It shows thread-reading. He has questions for snickers and release, and calls them scum, based on "scum never votes together" which is not great logic. He discusses Mderg, waits for big plays, then sits around.

I would say that his lack of a vote on me at the end of D2 is not relevant. It does allow is to reasonably rule out an LM-Koshi scumtea. If they were both scum together, they could have hammered me to save mderg. Alternatively, they would have not voted me at all if that was too risky. The "one votes, the other does not, letting mderg die" thing is pretty silly. In fact, Since Koshi was on mderg, after the swap from mderg, Koshi could have voted me and hammered me. It would have made a ginormous amount of sense but he could have, and he didn't.

Overall, Koshi's play hasn't been big, but acceptable. The part that for me looks like a contrived bus is his vote for VE. He makes the post here:
On June 23 2014 22:05 Koshi wrote:
I actually like this BH case again. The only thing I don't like is the vigi part.

BH is like 99% town for me. I don't even understand why VE/Sloosh/Release are voting for him or calling him scum. If he is alive in lylo I would reconsider but I have never seen BH play this normal. I like this normal play. Sheeping BH pretty good.

##unvote
##vote: VE


Last 2 scums could be VE/Lazermonkey. SloOsh still very possible as well. But he likes me so I like him. I am friendly like that.


Chezinu, your play is not exciting me at all. Add more Chezazzle to it.


After scumreading LM, who is the big counterwagon, he is convinced by my case on VE. He also says he doesn't understand why VE is voting me (though if VE is scum, it's very obvious why VE would vote me). He doesn't explain himself thoroughly and hasn't made many scumreads on VE. I'm glad he's voting VE, but then he makes a really really big post after voting VE about how he wants to lynch LM (link) and then he doesn't vote LM.

Imo, whatever waferlike reasons I had before for thinking Koshi scum, this really nails it for me. Why is he voting VE? He says he's convinced by the non-vigi proportion of my case, but he's not arguing for a VE lynch in the thread, he's arguing for an LM lynch, and his vote is still on VE even as LM is the counterwagon. Then he's like "well they could both be scum together". This is like an infinitely less skillfull version of what VE was doing D2.

Okay, so I started this post about how we shouldn't lynch Koshi today but actually I'd be okay with it. If our options are LM vs Koshi, I'm voting Koshi. However, since we're lynching VE, let's lynch VE.

Koshi tomorrow.
Do no evilness because it is a small one; do not leave a small deed undone because it is just a petty one.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
June 23 2014 23:27 GMT
#1178
##Unvote
##Vote: Koshi


CHOOOCHOOOOOOOOOOO
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
YouKnowZhou
Profile Joined June 2014
United States262 Posts
June 23 2014 23:27 GMT
#1179
Could a homie get an up to date vote count in the house
Do no evilness because it is a small one; do not leave a small deed undone because it is just a petty one.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 23 2014 23:28 GMT
#1180
On June 24 2014 05:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Can we please lynch Koshi though? His read post is so bad.
Talks about why VE is scum. Stops and goes over to Lazer and talks about how he wants to lynch Lazer, then ends his post with why VE is town based on unflipped associations presuming that Lazer is scum. He hasn't done anything this game other than voting for the right person in mderg. Case on Lazer boils down to "I'm not scum and he pushed me over his other suspects who I also think are town."
Is there any reason not to lynch him?
##Vote Koshi

The point here being that he said he wanted to lynch Lazermonkey, let left his vote on VE. Bad Koshi.
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