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Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
June 23 2014 23:31 GMT
#1181
Interesting...
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-23 23:32:13
June 23 2014 23:31 GMT
#1182
Day 3 Vote Tally

VisceraEyes (6): YouKnowZhou, Snickers, Koshi, Release, Lazermonkey, Chezinu
Koshi (3): Artanis[Xp], slOosh, VisceraEyes - Unvotes (1): Lazermonkey
YouKnowZhou (0) - Unvotes (2): VisceraEyes, slOosh
Lazermonkey (0) - Unvotes (5): Koshi, Release, Chezinu, slOosh, VisceraEyes

VisceraEyes is to be lynched with 6 votes in 29 minutes.
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VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
June 23 2014 23:33 GMT
#1183
Frankly if it helps get BH lynched I almost prefer if I get lynched if people are this certain I'm mafia. If I don't die people will just continue to make bad associative reads based on my alignment.

Is self-voting allowed? Let me off this crazy thang.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
YouKnowZhou
Profile Joined June 2014
United States262 Posts
June 23 2014 23:34 GMT
#1184
Well, with wagons between VE and Koshi, and with VE in the considerable lead, this situation is highly acceptable. If Sloosh or Artanis wants to to elaborate on my reads on VE or Koshi, I'm glad to.
Do no evilness because it is a small one; do not leave a small deed undone because it is just a petty one.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
June 23 2014 23:34 GMT
#1185
So can we lynch Koshi for wanting to lynch Lazer then voting VE and generally being useless?
BH, can you imagine a scenario in which VE has simply played poorly rather than being scummy? His anger struck you as fake, but could be a genuine response given your antagonistic beginnings and the frustration erupting from that. Checking in from your phone is possible, I do it sometimes too and you can not have the time to really interact but still want to be there. I think your point regarding the voting of mderg holds water and I would like to hear VE respond to it. VE being low energy is common nowadays, the waffling to see who is easiest to lynch is a subjective statement. He could also simply be evaluating his reads. The town discussion point is also up for debate. Anti town does not equal scum.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
June 23 2014 23:36 GMT
#1186
On June 24 2014 08:33 VisceraEyes wrote:
Frankly if it helps get BH lynched I almost prefer if I get lynched if people are this certain I'm mafia. If I don't die people will just continue to make bad associative reads based on my alignment.

Is self-voting allowed? Let me off this crazy thang.

I am not going to lynch BH regardless of your flip. I think your read on him is wrong, so stop martyring and fight for your goddamn life. It's not pro town to waste a lynch on a town player when we could be lynching scum.
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
June 23 2014 23:37 GMT
#1187
Meeeh, I'm not sold on Koshi. He looks really bad but VE looks worse still. Not willing to swap.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
June 23 2014 23:39 GMT
#1188
I don't even think I've played poorly, this is fucking ridiculous.

##Unvote
##Vote: VisceraEyes


GLHF GUYS
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
June 23 2014 23:40 GMT
#1189
FUCK it's not allowed.

##Unvote
##Vote Koshi


Consider me checked out until at least the next day cycle. GG noobs.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
YouKnowZhou
Profile Joined June 2014
United States262 Posts
June 23 2014 23:40 GMT
#1190
On June 24 2014 08:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
So can we lynch Koshi for wanting to lynch Lazer then voting VE and generally being useless?
BH, can you imagine a scenario in which VE has simply played poorly rather than being scummy? His anger struck you as fake, but could be a genuine response given your antagonistic beginnings and the frustration erupting from that. Checking in from your phone is possible, I do it sometimes too and you can not have the time to really interact but still want to be there. I think your point regarding the voting of mderg holds water and I would like to hear VE respond to it. VE being low energy is common nowadays, the waffling to see who is easiest to lynch is a subjective statement. He could also simply be evaluating his reads. The town discussion point is also up for debate. Anti town does not equal scum.


I get what you're saying. If you're asking if I'm 100% sure that VE is scum, the answer is no. I'm fairly certain he's scum, I think that I'd be pretty surprised if he flips town in half an hour. That being said, Koshi is pretty bad to, and if by some weird happenstance he flips today, I would be surprised if he flips town-- not as surprised, but surprised. Whichever one of these dudes dies I'm lynching the other one tomorrow, and I think that's probably our scumteam. By D4 we can probably expect some blue claims which will close this out pretty easily if I'm wrong on Koshi.

So, VE could be faking anger and AFKness that happens to coincide with the least useful way to be angry and afk, and the best way to avoid town discourse. I find it unlikely given that he didn't erupt at my antagonism, but after it was gone and I was being friendly to the thread, and that it died down when it became clear that avoiding me made him look bad. It's possible, though. I think most players on TL Mafia make the mistake of accepting anger and emotions as real. I see why his non-intellectual posts have cast doubt. I think that his decision to not respond, given that his response ended up being like 1 line anyways, was not motivated by phone posting. It was motivated by him saying "this is easier if I just act mad".

The low energy thing is a smaller point in the scheme of things. I admit it's possible VE is just having slow games. I would be much more surprised if he was having "be intentionally unhelpful to people" games though, so the anti-town stuff I think is solid.

In a case so big, not every point is gonna be picture perfect. But there it is.
Do no evilness because it is a small one; do not leave a small deed undone because it is just a petty one.
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
June 23 2014 23:41 GMT
#1191
My brain tells me to kill VE.

My hearth tells me to kill Koshi.

My body can't handle it.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 23 2014 23:42 GMT
#1192
On June 24 2014 07:57 Lazermonkey wrote:
Koshi is stepping up his posting and VE is posting exactly what you would expect from a scum. Yhea, I'm feeling good about this lynch now.

Could you point out where? Really strange that you don't want to lynch Koshi all of a sudden.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
June 23 2014 23:42 GMT
#1193
I told you it was Lazer. Told you so.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
June 23 2014 23:46 GMT
#1194
There's absolutely no way VE would act this way as scum in the end. If he has I'm going to give him a massive congrats for fooling me this badly, but I don't see it happening. Please switch to Koshi guys.

VE, stop martyring. There's still hope. There's always hope. Martyring is straight against your wincon.
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
June 23 2014 23:47 GMT
#1195
On June 24 2014 08:42 slOosh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2014 07:57 Lazermonkey wrote:
Koshi is stepping up his posting and VE is posting exactly what you would expect from a scum. Yhea, I'm feeling good about this lynch now.

Could you point out where? Really strange that you don't want to lynch Koshi all of a sudden.

He actually started to push his scum reads for the first time in the game. That doesn't mean that he is posting well. It just means he posts less bad.
Release
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4397 Posts
June 23 2014 23:48 GMT
#1196
VE please say something useful
☺
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
June 23 2014 23:48 GMT
#1197
On June 24 2014 08:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
There's absolutely no way VE would act this way as scum in the end. If he has I'm going to give him a massive congrats for fooling me this badly, but I don't see it happening. Please switch to Koshi guys.

VE, stop martyring. There's still hope. There's always hope. Martyring is straight against your wincon.

Sigh. I actually think that you are correct.

##Unvote
##Vote: Koshi
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 23 2014 23:50 GMT
#1198
On June 24 2014 08:47 Lazermonkey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2014 08:42 slOosh wrote:
On June 24 2014 07:57 Lazermonkey wrote:
Koshi is stepping up his posting and VE is posting exactly what you would expect from a scum. Yhea, I'm feeling good about this lynch now.

Could you point out where? Really strange that you don't want to lynch Koshi all of a sudden.

He actually started to push his scum reads for the first time in the game. That doesn't mean that he is posting well. It just means he posts less bad.

Could you please point out which posts he is pushing scum reads? Like, quote them and stuffs?
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
June 23 2014 23:50 GMT
#1199
Day 3 Vote Tally

VisceraEyes (5): YouKnowZhou, Snickers, Koshi, Release, Chezinu Unvotes (1): Lazermonkey
Koshi (4): Artanis[Xp], slOosh, VisceraEyes. Lazermonkey,
YouKnowZhou (0) - Unvotes (2): VisceraEyes, slOosh
Lazermonkey (0) - Unvotes (5): Koshi, Release, Chezinu, slOosh, VisceraEyes

VisceraEyes is to be lynched with 5 votes in 10 minutes.
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YouKnowZhou
Profile Joined June 2014
United States262 Posts
June 23 2014 23:51 GMT
#1200
Oh, come on. A guy can't just martyr a bunch and be like "hue hue you guys will look silly when I flip town" and have that be a towntell! What kind of stinking meta is this? Look, VE has, and listen to me about this, basically objectively played scummy about every major lynch in this game. He has faked anger, he has faked being afk, he has even posted a useless "Death reads" post that contains no new info and martyred for the past half hour. There's no way that this could possibly be a town VE. If he flips town I will PROVERBIALLY eat my hat.

I am very, very glad that we have Koshi as a counterwagon; he at least is likely to flip scum. But come on, guys, look at VE. He's so much scummier. omg.
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