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On June 22 2014 13:12 Epishade wrote:
Ok guys, I knew I would have very limited time to post these past two days. I was planning to post an intro on the first day when the game started, but Amiko delayed the game and I figured I wouldn't have had much to say day 1 anyways for me to justify staying up to 2 AM posting at my grandma's computer.
I'll have a lot more time to spend tomorrow when I get back home. I got about 2 hours now that I'll spend reading through the thread and bringing up anything I see that stands out to me I guess.
As for introduction,
Behold, it is I, Epishade, keeper of nights, savior of world, and browser of naked ladies! This is my 2.5th mafia game. Many of you (only Meat) should remember me from my first mafia game, where I won the game for town by slaying the last mafia member in a bout of intense bravery and courage! I also played briefly in a second mafia game where it had to be restarted after Squirt ruined it by asking about coaches a day after the game started. I was mafia in that game, and was quite upset because I was being read as town early on. I /outed after the reset, so I don't consider that a real game.
Anyways, I'll start reading through and I'll try to come up with some reads. Sorry for not being able to post earlier again.
Hey, I won the last game through slaying the last mafia in a lylo situation too, despite everyone objecting to the lynch.
Sqrtneg1 spoilt it*
Yea, was a pity you left that game. But town won.
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On June 22 2014 13:44 Epishade wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 13:33 HaruRH wrote:On June 22 2014 13:12 Epishade wrote:
Ok guys, I knew I would have very limited time to post these past two days. I was planning to post an intro on the first day when the game started, but Amiko delayed the game and I figured I wouldn't have had much to say day 1 anyways for me to justify staying up to 2 AM posting at my grandma's computer.
I'll have a lot more time to spend tomorrow when I get back home. I got about 2 hours now that I'll spend reading through the thread and bringing up anything I see that stands out to me I guess.
As for introduction,
Behold, it is I, Epishade, keeper of nights, savior of world, and browser of naked ladies! This is my 2.5th mafia game. Many of you (only Meat) should remember me from my first mafia game, where I won the game for town by slaying the last mafia member in a bout of intense bravery and courage! I also played briefly in a second mafia game where it had to be restarted after Squirt ruined it by asking about coaches a day after the game started. I was mafia in that game, and was quite upset because I was being read as town early on. I /outed after the reset, so I don't consider that a real game.
Anyways, I'll start reading through and I'll try to come up with some reads. Sorry for not being able to post earlier again. Hey, I won the last game through slaying the last mafia in a lylo situation too, despite everyone objecting to the lynch. Sqrtneg1 spoilt it* Yea, was a pity you left that game. But town won. Well, it was a 'first to reach 2 votes' lynch, which kinda sucked because nobody convinced Sqrt (I think) to change his vote, and so it was pretty much a 50-50 chance of winning or losing because of no vote consolidation. I think my hero status in my game was much more than your hero status in your game ^^.
T.T I tried convincing sqrt for so many days for different lynches, but he was intent on sheeping amiko and then afk. No other way to win other than first to 2 vote on mderg so that I can decide between fuba and mderg.
I was the grim reaper. Not the hero gotham deserves.
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@epishade
I think I'll retract my statement of finding scum d1 on a newbie game. I forgot that its impossible to meta anyone d1, which was what we used to find scum d1 mostly.
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On June 22 2014 17:49 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
yoyoyoyo whats up guys!
im the mystery of the meat! i know quite a few people here, teemu and nydus from vid mafia, epishade my self-proclaimed pretend to be best friend, and templar from blogs and stuff. Just from reading throug the last couple of pages
current reads:
THE_TEMPLAR:
he likes my blogs which is a pretty big plus one
I don't like how he links his mafia play filter. IMO its pretty scummy people who do it. ITs like guys this is how i play mafia, don't worry i can't possibly change my play and fool you guys. THE_Templar and one other posted their filters, which seemed pretty scummy.
I read Scott's posts and didn't really see any reason to vote on him. However its forum mafia, so voting 20 hours before deadline isn't that big of a deal as you can always switch. Don't mind him pressuring scott either.
King of the cats:
I honestly really don't like him, seems super scummy, in one of his arguments on lynching, he mentions that he doesn't care about alignment. If you can push a mislynch day1, then you can kill a stronger player in the night. Top scum at the moment.
Hobbitus:
Mentions its his first game. Considering this is a newbie game, makes sense that he would post it. However i don't really like that he posted that. He also blows stuff up. all in all, don't like his post buts its not enough to give a solid read on. leaning town.
Teemu:
excels at finding scum day1, perfectly alright with pinging people out. Also votes can change, at this point i feel like votes are just to pressure people. And in my experience, votes made closer to deadline mean a whole lot more.
meatpudding:
leaning town, didn't jump on any bandwagons, however its self-proclaimed which i don't really like.
Nydus:
seems pretty town, he's making reads, and he was a bit trolly at the begining with the haikus but switched into serious mode.
Every one else, just from a quick read through didn't stand out too much, or i forgot to post about them.
for now though, i'll vote on cat, as i think he's pretty scummy.
##VOTE: TheKingOfCats
What are your reads on jabber and tolkien?
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@scott
That is my pregame fun read. Don't use it as analysis.
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On June 22 2014 20:58 meatpudding wrote:
Not very sure how to vote. I could read players that are defensive as scum.
##Vote: HaruRH
Haru is not really pushing town agenda. Asking vague questions, not pushing anyone in particular. Calling out when Hobbitus contradicts herself, does not seem like a good read to me.
I'm still leaning towards Teemu as scum. Teemu and Templar have played before, maybe that is why they are acting familiar, but it seems like Teemu's reads are off.
Cats is asking lots of questions, I am leaning town here.
On Templar, I think only his one long post gives much info. I think he plays town, but could be trying to give false info.
Tolkien seems noncommittal, then starts a bandwagon. Not sure here.
Hobbitus not posting much but looks like town trying to get some early reads.
That's all I have for now.
??? What? You mean not pushing on d1 when theres hardly 10 pages, and nobody have a filter longer than 3 pages is a crime now? Now, where are your pushes?
I normally do these stuff d1 and then read off votes and flips. If this playstyle does not rub you in the right direction, then its fine 
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In fact, meatpudding's vote on me is very questionable.
1) Contradicts himself
Let's take a look at his reason to vote for me.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 22 2014 20:58 meatpudding wrote:
Not very sure how to vote. I could read players that are defensive as scum.
##Vote: HaruRH
Haru is not really pushing town agenda. Asking vague questions, not pushing anyone in particular. Calling out when Hobbitus contradicts herself, does not seem like a good read to me.
I'm still leaning towards Teemu as scum. Teemu and Templar have played before, maybe that is why they are acting familiar, but it seems like Teemu's reads are off.
Cats is asking lots of questions, I am leaning town here.
On Templar, I think only his one long post gives much info. I think he plays town, but could be trying to give false info.
Tolkien seems noncommittal, then starts a bandwagon. Not sure here.
Hobbitus not posting much but looks like town trying to get some early reads.
That's all I have for now.
TL'DR Asking vaque questions, not pushing anyone.
By looking at what he has posted, all his questions were very vague and he never follows up on the questions. Also, he is pushing even less than me (He only stated he find teemu/Templar suspicious). If he is scum, he is currently finding suspicion on as many people as possible so that it will look less suspicious of him to jump wagons when the situation arises.
2) Does not stick to his reads
He initially read Templar and teemu as potential scum. Then, he votes me based on a 2 liner 'push' that can be applied to half the players here. This is similar to the point where I mention that he could be trying to jump wagons later on without getting suspected of doing so - he can freely jump between voting me, Templar and teemu. This is very indicative of scum since he
seems noncommittal, then starts a bandwagon.
as explained by himself.
This is more than enough for a d1 vote for me.
##Unvote
##Vote: Meatpudding
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EBWOP: This is not an OMGUS vote from me. I did not vote him because he voted me.
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On June 22 2014 21:41 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 20:50 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
if your town you should be fighting to the end.... Thanks for the vote of confidence, I do appreciate it.
Scott, I know this feeling of getting pressured for a lynch d1. Ask jabber.
Do not start being overly negative and thinking that you have been thrown out of the game. It is just that people find suspicion on you. Try and find other lynch targets for town - even if they do not like the method you're using, just do it. It's your method, not theirs.
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On June 23 2014 03:42 Epishade wrote:
Ok, I just got back home guys. Reading through.
Read through my case on meatpudding. I would like your opinion.
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On June 23 2014 04:16 Hobbitus wrote:
If anyone has questions about my reads, let me know.
Yes I do have many questions.
1) What would you say about the contradictions mentioned in meatpudding's reads?
In your read, you said that
8. Meatpudding-leaning town
I agree with most of his reads. The only thing I dislike is how quick he is to see himself as the victim when Teemu is involved.
2)Which part of his reads (meatpudding's) do you agree with?
3) Which part(s) of my read did you not agree with?
4) Why is Jabber scumread for not substantiating his reads, but not others like scott?
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On June 23 2014 04:37 Epishade wrote:
Err, maybe Haruhi's case made him change his mind and he just didn't mention that then? Just thought of that.
I like how you're calling me haruhi now. The unknowing god approves
I think we need jabber to explain this vote of his.
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On June 23 2014 04:39 GlowingBear wrote:
Hey guys! Late as always.
As I said before, I've joined TL forums just to play Mafia, and this is my first time playing it.
I've been busy yesterday so I couldn't play but I've read all the posts twice.
I have leaning reads on NaruRH and TheKingOfCats. NaruRH seems to contribute a lot asking the right questions and confronting suspicious reads. I like his playstyle and I my read on him is leaning townie.
TheKingOfCats, in other way, looks a bit scummy for me since the beginning. He has a suspicious way of introducing himself while saying that he was considered best town twice. It seems like he was trying to set up an "atmosphere" so when he starts to reveal his reads on possible scummys people might think he is doing it right, as he was considered best town anywhere else and, so, he might be town again this time. Kind of a scummy way to blend in town. It is confirmed by questions he made after, which, in my opinion, leads to no conclusion, although it convinced The_Templar that he was contributing to town agenda.
I have no reads on meatpudding. He was acting a little suspicious from time to time but not enough to give me good reads.
I would like to hear your opinions on my reads so I can decide my voting, specially NaruRH.
Sup there glowingbear :D Never too late
you can just call me haruhi like epishade or haru.
I think the first thing you should do is to read everyone's reads and comment on them. We would like to see what you think.
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On June 23 2014 05:13 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 04:37 HaruRH wrote:On June 23 2014 04:16 Hobbitus wrote:
If anyone has questions about my reads, let me know. Yes I do have many questions. 1) What would you say about the contradictions mentioned in meatpudding's reads? In your read, you said that 8. Meatpudding-leaning town
I agree with most of his reads. The only thing I dislike is how quick he is to see himself as the victim when Teemu is involved.
Can you give me some specific contradictions? 2)Which part of his reads (meatpudding's) do you agree with? I still feel like Teemu is giving off scum vibes. Although I agree with Tolkien he does not make for a good day one lynch. He is playing as if a townie, and at least as long as he is not trying to derail the scum hunt, then he is useful to town. I would be critical of what he is saying for the time being. And on Templar giving lots of information, which is most likely good. 3) Which part(s) of my read did you not agree with? Lord tolkien, this is the wrong way to approach forum mafia. In forum mafia, you lynch for scum ONLY, not for information/clearing lurkers/usefulness to town. We usually clear lurkers with cops and people useful to town will die quick to mafia anyway.
I have a feeling you knew this. Coupled with how you wanted to go with meatpudding but went with scott just for a wagon, you're playing really scummy.
##Vote: lord tolkien The first part is the part you retracted, I believe? If so, no problem there. Do you still suspect Tolkien bc he changed his target from meatpudding to scott? I thought his argument there was reasonable, it just makes me a little nervous that you saw it as SUPER scummy  4) Why is Jabber scumread for not substantiating his reads, but not others like scott? You definitely have a point, neither are doing a very good job of substantiating reads. Like I said, I'm on the fence about scott, he has definite scum potential. I just think that, based off the rest of his posts, he has a better case for making newbie mistakes. @jabber can still change my mind
I was referring to my meatpudding read.
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Btw, question 1 and 3 were meant for your thoughts my meatpudding read.
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So I think I need to post my reads.
Lord Tolkien (fence)
My initial thought of lord tolkien was that I thought he was scummy - but I changed it when I realised he wasn't lynching lurkers for fun.
JabberwockZerg (slightly scum)
He is not substantiating his pushes, nor provides proper reads. Could be trying to skirt his way past d1.
Kotc (fence)
His scum meta is horrible - when he's scum, he posts so little it hurts. But he has certainly put in enough effort here. However, still lacking in decisiveness on a read.
Nydus (slightly scum)
His initial feeling given to me was that he is trying to solve the game - I don't see his attempt yet.
Solar
No cake.
Glowingbear
Have to wait for his posts.
Meatpudding (scummish)
His arguments can be used against him. Also, read my post on him.
Hobbitus (slightly town)
So far, attempting to solve the game. Reads were good.
Teemu (fence)
He is not quite willing to push targets and switch fast. However, he was leading discussion early on. Might just be indecisiveness?
Epishade (slightly town)
His reads were what I think too - reads on meatpudding were similar.
Scott (slightly scum)
Suffers from the same disease of not substantiating his reads, like jwz.
Templar (slightly town)
Reads were similar to what I feel early on. Yet to see what his reads now are though.
Mysterymeat (fence)
Does not push at all, yet throws out reads.
Blonde
No cake
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@Meatpudding
??? I did not mention not scumhunting on d1 in that quote. There you are again, pushing me without strong cases.
I simply don't understand what did you not understand from that post.
1) what was contradicted? Against what?
2) not too direct with?
3) how and why did you even vote based on that post when you can't even explain what you thought was scummy about it?
4) why are you even pushing on teemu/templar/me when you don't even have a case, much less a case that is weak?
@hobbitus
Simply because of how meatpudding have been handling out reads. A scumread from me.
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@meatpudding
And if your strongest case for why you chose teemu/templar/me as your scumreads because we wagoned against you, I'll be really disappointed.
Here are some things you need to do:
1) re-present a scummread on templar. Your previous read was based on something you mistook.
2) paranoia =/= scumread. Wagoning d1 isnt scumread. I need a stronger read.
3) Mistook post =/= scumread. I want a better analysis on my posts instead of reading them selectively and thinking you got the post you can use to fake a read.
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On June 23 2014 12:41 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Where is Haru, where is Teemo.
Just woke up, reading the thread. One thing stood out to me.
Teemu would have us believe that his D1 scum reads are infallible. So far he has only made one strong call to mafia (guess who) which seems suspicious to me. He has basically stopped pressuring now that he has made up his mind, and that I have helped convince half of town that I may be scum anyway. Easy lynch for Teemu.
Meatpudding is already self-immolating. His cases have changed from 'weak with no substantiation' to 'weak with a pinch of bullshit'. This guy should be lynched today for his incoherent reads.
Even if Meatpudding don't get lynched today, I'll push for his lynch on d2 unless he gives something constructive.
The case on MM is nearly the same as Meatpudding.
1) reads that include points that they exhibit
2) incoherency
3) some form of kneejerk OMGUS
Therefore I'm fine with any of their lynches.
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