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HaruRH
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1) jailer jailed rber and thus rb didnt pass. 2) jailer got rbed and thus couldnt claim rb without letting everyone know hes the jailer It is more likely that 1) happened since they did not try and kill the jailer yet? Or 2) could be the case. They probably didnt know they hit jailer until I said it now  | ||
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HaruRH
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HaruRH
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Tbh, I have nothing else to proof my cop role. After all, the jailer jailed me for 2 days in a row and didnt allow me to check anyone. I was pretty useless this game. Couldn't confirm any of my scum reads Right, after lynching me, please look at poofter, mtam and hobbit. My guess is theres only 1 scum left so d6 will be lylo. Jailer, dont jail anyone. After all, having 3 people at lylo is better than 4. Lynch into poofter/mtam if they are still alive. I have also been borderline scumreading hobbit the entire game, but tunnelled when hobbit tunnelled on me, and thus read her as scum. Scum have been waiting for this moment lol. Free mislynch into haru for d6, mitigating the lylo situation. That's it, I'm out. Will miss the end of day. I'll put my vote on poofter. You all know who to lynch on d6. ##Vote: TehPoofter | ||
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HaruRH
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teeeeeeeemmmmmuuuuuu why no vote epishade nuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu If he voted epishade -> lylo templar claim jailer and say he jailed hobbit d3 (so hobbit didnt say cos he roleblocker) | ||
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HaruRH
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Actually, we got the game figured out early on. We figured out there was little to no blues in the game given how we though tolkien was our biggest blue suspect, we could safely think theres probably 0-2 blues. As such we created jailer and roleblocker d1 so that jailer can save our asses and roleblocker can incriminate people on lylo. Yea, my cop claim pretty much banked on the fact that templar had to be the fake jailer or else it wont work, since nobody else would claim jailer. | ||
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HaruRH
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On July 05 2014 13:22 Lord Tolkien wrote: That would've been shot down since Templar claimed N1 roleblock and you claimed being jailed. One of you clearly lied about that then, and someone is bound to pick up on that. But yes, town by D3 was in a complete clusterfuck situation. Then a stroke of luck saved it. Well more appropriately your WTF cop claim and subsequent demands for jailing. Also: SO YOU THOUGHT I WAS BLUE? LOL ??? D2 -> me roleblocked, templar jailed D3 -> no claims D4 -> cop claim, jailed and roleblocked | ||
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HaruRH
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On July 05 2014 17:14 Amiko wrote: GG guys! I like discussing games after they finish up. I have more to write about, but here are some general thoughts I had while watching the game as a co-host. I'm still relatively new to forum mafia so I can be wrong or dumb on these things :D but they were what I thought as an observer, at least - All-Vanilla Setup I don't know if Slam had any lessons in mind when he decided to use an all-vanilla setup, but I think having an all-vanilla game stressed the value of attentiveness and scumhunting. This town didn't have any cop checks or medic saves to rely on - in fact, town actually had to disbelieve every power role claim and successfully lynched mafia day 3, 4, and 5. Mafia Fakeclaims I give mafia credit for bravery in their elaborate power role claims, but I feel it was SO risky and I don't think it was so necessary. The mafia claims essentially implied that the game included a jailer (town), roleblocker (town or mafia), and eventually also that there was a cop (town). First off, it poses problems if the actual blue roles are in the game. If there was a jailer in this game, wouldn't they tend to disbelieve the players claiming to be jailed (because 2 jailers seems so powerful!). Similarly, had there been a cop in the game, I feel they would have disbelieved HaruRH's claim (2 cops is wow!). This isn't to say that fake-claiming is a bad thing, particularly if it reveals the actual blue role. But here, the mafia's fake claims seemed like they may be overexersions. The fake claims implied the existence of 3 roles, but, only the three mafia would ever fake-claim being affected by those roles. So the roleblock and jail must always affect HaruRH/Teemursu/The_Templar to be effective. If no roleblock is claimed, it would suggest to the (non-existent) jailor that he/she jailed the roleblocker. So, once one mafia fell, the claims of the other two should have become increasingly questionable Claiming VT I'll mention that although it worked to get Haru killed, I personally feel it is really a mistake to claim that you are a VT. Understand that this rarely provides any benefit to town (they can't trust you) but does provide benefit to mafia (they feel they shouldn't shoot you). Obviously you can be lying, but I feel that town tends to be more truthful about that sort of thing. Imagine that you are a cop and someone else in town claims VT. What does this mean? Maybe that player is a lying mafia (and is trying to get other people to claim VT) so they can narrow down who to shoot. Maybe that player is a truthful town, but in that case they have narrowed down who mafia should shoot. From my point of view, claiming VT is just making it easier for the mafia to kill your blue roles, and usually it should be held back. On this note, claiming VTs did help you identify HaruRH on D5, realize that this result was pretty much inevitable once The_Templar died. If we reached 3 players, no one would claim jailor and HaruRH would still die. I really don’t think mafia had any way to win after Templar died except by hoping town didn’t pay attention to the jailed claims. That said, I think Haru’s best shot after Templar was lynched was to try to steer the discussion in some direction (any direction!) as soon as possible so that people didn’t think about the night actions. I think the slow pace may have encouraged town to be willing to easily claim VT. Voting The votes Day 2 were almost certainly going to lynch a town. Looking at the vote count, it would only take one vote to pick between five different wagons! And, there were quite a few outs for players to try to move their votes to survive, even for legitimate reasons! If there are five wagons and all only have 2-3 votes, and you know there are probably 3-4 you also know that mafia can control the vote. It really is just lucky that Teemursu wasn’t able to get his vote in on D3. I don’t think that would have necessarily ensured a mafia victory, but if mafia had three votes to play with, I really think it would have been difficult for this town to consolidate properly. Things I haven't written yet but want to address- > Some notes in the hostqt and obsqt for things to mention later > Templar scumslip > scum m373 > D4 vote and responses > Coaching related notes (glowingbear) > High scum activity; but not using town direction Lol amiko, we thought of this as well. Firstly, we knew that templar and teemu are usually not around during eod. This means that they could claim very late and still be fine. Secondly, by presenting myself and templar as 'top town', we made sure to divert attention to us, and all subsequent actions on us. Thats why I wanted templar to be the one carrying out actions since I had the possibilty to be jailed. Also, even if templar was jailed and couldn't shoot, his top town status ensured that people would believe he was shot but being jailed saved his ass. Third, I was worried about cop too. But the amount of people we blue read who scumread teemu early on but didnt come out with a red check on teemu means that it was safe to claim cop. The roleblock fake was useful - during lylo. Imagine youre presented with the situation : templar jailed hobbit d3, no roleblocks were claimed that day. This could only mean that hobbit was the roleblocker. Templar also made sure town couldnt consolidate votes properly d1, where he kept confusing town. Killing off tolkien only added to this effect since he was the only one worried about consolidating votes. I was definitely dead when templar didnt claim jail and died. | ||
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HaruRH
Singapore2780 Posts
On July 05 2014 19:42 marvellosity wrote: mafia fakeclaims threw the game for mafia it seems, much as how town fakeclaims often throw the game for town. No lol More like mafia not fakeclaiming this game would definitely lead to a loss I wouldnt be able to survive a lynch given how tunnelled people are Neither would templar | ||
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HaruRH
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On July 05 2014 22:47 The_Templar wrote: Yes I fucked up. Sorry. No you didnt fuck up You did what you thought was right I did what I thought was right Teemu did what he thought was right And we all learnt what is right I shouldnt have tunnelled and argued I shouldnt have played suboptimally I shouldnt have used meatpudding as a good excuse for reads I should have strongly pushed either of you and made it look real town I shouldnt have made people change their reads on me I shouldnt have let everyone flip their reads (I still find it dumb lol) I fked up | ||
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HaruRH
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On July 06 2014 03:36 Blazinghand wrote: I did some great work coaching if anyone wants to read about what we talked about. Blazinghand Coaching NydusHerMain http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/KunfPNcGy8K Blazinghand Coaching MysteryMeat1 http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/rrFXBgfvddwE Blazinghand Coaching Epishade http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/RY7usYmxjwvy Much props to my students for making effective use of me as a coaching resource! ROFL that sick burn Our QT was so many pages long omg | ||
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