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I've never played a setup like this before. Looks neat.
Can I /in?
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Okay first post I just want to get some of the thoughts I was having before the game out in the open. If this doesn't run on too long I'll also share some of my notes reading the thread so far. A little background on me first since since none of you have played with me before. I am experienced in mafia but I have never played a setup like this before. It's been a couple years since I've played forum mafia so maybe I'm rusty, maybe I'm well rested. I am not a smurf.
First I want to talk about urgent situations; the election process and determining group order. I am open to being elected as mayor. This post is going to inform you of the processes I have considered using to select group order, if I were mayor. I don't know who I'm voting for yet. It isn't important to me that I be elected. It is however important that the person I vote for comment on these processes I have come up with.
I have already seen some comments about the role of the mayor not being important. I don't agree with those comments. This is an important decision. Mayor, as I see it, should be a tool that town uses to take early control and set the pace for the rest of the game so that mafia have to play by the rules town lays down.
So, how does one as mayor determine group order? I have come up with several scenarios:
- Lynch lowest "contributing" groups first. This has already been mentioned once in the thread. Nominations, filter length, post count, meta, etc. could all be used as metrics for "contribution." High contributing people will have the most content to analyze in the end game, so it is beneficial to keep them around longer. More data is better.
- Analyze groups as though all three members could be mafia and lynch groups with "most mafia members." Conversely analyze groups as though all three members could be town and lynch groups with "least town members." Compare the two lists and check for differences. If three of the five mafia members could be in a single group, which group would you lynch first?
- Everyone picks one "most likely to be mafia" from each group and compares. Sort according to who gets picked most.
- "Easy" first. "Easy groups" meaning groups where there are two people working together against someone.
- Lastly, my favorite option, all of the above. More data is better.
I propose either to the mayor, or possibly as mayor, that we use a combination of these processes for the group selection procedure. Once group order is determined, we can decide who to lynch in each group. I have brainstormed the following situations:
- Lynch for single "mistake"/"tell"/"scummy post"; important to use heated rhetoric and pressure of spotlight in this situation.
- Lynch because agenda shows anti-town/pro-mafia pattern over time. Either voting pattern, tone/posting style, on the wrong side of arguments, etc.
Next post if I can get around to it tonight is notes and practical applications.
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I would have liked to have gotten this out last night (EST) but I was too tired. I'm going to paraphrase a bunch of stuff I wrote down as I was reading, I tried to make a note for each person:
Cell A
ritoky - I'm not a fan of the "murica" thing. It's cheap and fake. Also it removes accountability because later he can just say he was being silly and adding flavor. What I do like is that he was the first, and is as of writing this the only, candidate to publish a group order.
Meapak_Ziphh - Teamed with ritoky immediately against thrawn. Most of his reasoning for teaming with ritoky seems to be the "murica" thing, which I don't like. This MZ/ritoky team has momentum right now. If he is mafia he is going along with the "murica" parade to kill OdinOfPergo, who recently replaced thrawn.
OdinOfPergo - recently replaced thrawn, no posts.
Cell B
Palmar - Tehpoofter made a meta case against him; would Palmar do the exact same thing two games in a row as mafia? I don't think anyone can answer that question, so I don't feel very strongly about the case against him. Aside from that he's acting like he doesn't care.
Tehpoofter - My notes say "initially voted for the lols." I don't like that at all. He also made a hard fos at Palmar. I mentioned I don't feel very strongly about his fos, but I am still happy he made it.
WaveofShadow - First posts were extremely adamant about keeping HolyFlare away from mayor; reason being he doesn't want HolyFlare to have "power." Offers to be mayor himself if it keeps the position away from HolyFlare. Later on, he made a comment on the mayor role being "mostly useless." If the role is mostly useless, why so adamant about HolyFlare not getting it and why offer to be mayor if you don't care? My notes then have the following in quotes: "I did say I don't really care who else gets it for the most part, didn't I?"
Cell C
HolyFlare - Wants to be mayor, badly. Does not believe in having a plan. Does not believe it matters who is elected mayor. I didn't like his "elect me" post for the same reason I didn't like ritoky's; too cheap and fake.
batsnacks - I think I should have posted more last night
ShiaoPi - My notes say "lots of questions but doesn't follow up."
Cell D
mtamburini - Has only talked about rng this game. Palmar seemingly randomly voted for him and asked others to join. My notes say "hasn't made any mistakes."
ObiWanShinobi - Doesn't explain actions when asked. A lot of his responses seem designed to halt conversation.
slOosh - I like his reasons for voting ritoky. My notes say "good followup game."
Cell E
layabout - Didn't run for mayor and doesn't want the rest of his group being elected.
27ninjabunnies - Highly conversational. Has possibly communicated with more people this game than anyone else. Made a jab at layabout for posting only "common knowledge."
mderg - Attempted to buddy with bunnies against layabout. Used the exact same reason as bunnies "layabout posting common knowledge." I don't like this at all.
PROPOSED CELL ORDER:
C, A, B, E, D
It's similar to ritoky's with one primary difference. I think the rikoty/MZ team in cell A has too much momentum right now to lynch first. I want to see where that momentum goes and I want to give Odin at least the extra day. If rikoty or MZ are mafia, lynching group A first is making it way too easy for them. I put groups D/E last because I feel like I know the least about them at this point in time.
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I want to go ahead and vote for myself too real quick to remind people that I'm running.
##vote batsnacks
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On May 29 2014 02:35 Holyflare wrote:
Can you explain your thought process of putting C first over A and B. Afaik there aren't that many people ACTUALLY town reading mz, just ritoky.
I didn't put A first because I think the rikoty/MZ team has too much momentum against Odin and I think it would be smart to see where that momentum goes with an extra day. I think if rikoty or MZ are mafia we are making it too easy by letting them go first.
I put C before B because I feel like I personally have a better intuitive grasp on our group than B's group.
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On May 29 2014 03:28 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 03:24 mderg wrote:On May 29 2014 03:21 Holyflare wrote:On May 29 2014 03:17 slOosh wrote:On May 29 2014 02:53 Holyflare wrote:On May 29 2014 02:50 slOosh wrote:On May 29 2014 02:42 Holyflare wrote:
if sloosh does not post soon after posting in detention then he could actually be mafia btw And if I post I'm mafia? Quite the loaded statement here. how does that statement make sense :o? you posted in another game and hadn't posted here yet, people that don't really want to focus on a second game over their first are usually mafia who don't care but you've posted now (albeit nothing noteworthy) so it's all cool  The idea is that one could easily follow up with "hey he is mafia and only posting when called out". Which you would think people would realize is a pretty frail reason to lynch someone, but I've been mislynched enough times to overestimate the general townie's perceptive abilities. well i didn't do that so whatever :D On May 29 2014 02:58 mderg wrote:
Am I the only one here who wants cell C to go late? Right now I can´t read that at all.
Hf´s mayor campaign seemed townie but at some point I started to find it strange how he didn´t want to take responsibility for the cell order. So my read on him is kinda null.
batsnacks had some good guidelines about the cell order but it wasn´t really specific. I also didn´t agree with lynching the lowest contributing cells first. I´m slightly leaning towards town but I´m really not sure about that.
ShiaoPi is like a huge question mark for me right now.
So for me this is the last cell I´d want to go first. ^ On reflection this is really disingenuous. He starts by saying "Am i the only one here who wants cell C late" but not many people said C should go first. In fact, batsnacks is like the only person to say that and that was on the last page. If he DID in fact read the last page then what he said about batsnacks can't possibly be true. He just got specific and gave the order with C in front and explained his reasoning behind it. I also explained the order i'd like and reads on people and why I picked that order but he left that out. So really, he's made up some strange things here. You´re making shit up now. When I say late, I mean late, not in the middle of the game. What I said about batsnacks was specifically about the post with the general guidelines. I'm not making anything up. You just said you were up to date with the game and read the last page. On the last page batsnacks doesn't follow the metric about lynching the lowest contributing cells at all. He does quite the opposite. I started the day with no plan for cells because half the people in the game hadn't spoken yet. That should be obvious. I have made a post with a cell order that you should actually like but you didn't comment on that, you decided to pick up on the start of the game which shows you aren't evolving your reads as time goes on. Why, if you are up to date, do your reads not account for anything that happened since the last time you posted?
Hey I just want to get this out in the open so we're really clear. The most important part of my first post is bolded:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 28 2014 12:06 batsnacks wrote:
Okay first post I just want to get some of the thoughts I was having before the game out in the open. If this doesn't run on too long I'll also share some of my notes reading the thread so far. A little background on me first since since none of you have played with me before. I am experienced in mafia but I have never played a setup like this before. It's been a couple years since I've played forum mafia so maybe I'm rusty, maybe I'm well rested. I am not a smurf.
First I want to talk about urgent situations; the election process and determining group order. I am open to being elected as mayor. This post is going to inform you of the processes I have considered using to select group order, if I were mayor. I don't know who I'm voting for yet. It isn't important to me that I be elected. It is however important that the person I vote for comment on these processes I have come up with.
I have already seen some comments about the role of the mayor not being important. I don't agree with those comments. This is an important decision. Mayor, as I see it, should be a tool that town uses to take early control and set the pace for the rest of the game so that mafia have to play by the rules town lays down.
So, how does one as mayor determine group order? I have come up with several scenarios:
- Lynch lowest "contributing" groups first. This has already been mentioned once in the thread. Nominations, filter length, post count, meta, etc. could all be used as metrics for "contribution." High contributing people will have the most content to analyze in the end game, so it is beneficial to keep them around longer. More data is better.
- Analyze groups as though all three members could be mafia and lynch groups with "most mafia members." Conversely analyze groups as though all three members could be town and lynch groups with "least town members." Compare the two lists and check for differences. If three of the five mafia members could be in a single group, which group would you lynch first?
- Everyone picks one "most likely to be mafia" from each group and compares. Sort according to who gets picked most.
- "Easy" first. "Easy groups" meaning groups where there are two people working together against someone.
- Lastly, my favorite option, all of the above. More data is better.
I propose either to the mayor, or possibly as mayor, that we use a combination of these processes for the group selection procedure. Once group order is determined, we can decide who to lynch in each group. I have brainstormed the following situations:
- Lynch for single "mistake"/"tell"/"scummy post"; important to use heated rhetoric and pressure of spotlight in this situation.
- Lynch because agenda shows anti-town/pro-mafia pattern over time. Either voting pattern, tone/posting style, on the wrong side of arguments, etc.
Next post if I can get around to it tonight is notes and practical applications.
I used a combination of all of those methods to come up with my group order. I considered highest/lowest contributors, groups that are most town-like, groups that are most mafia-like, specific people who's posting I thought was suspicious, and "easy groups."
Before the game I didn't consider "fast win" scenarios as much as I should have where mafia could potentially win 3-0. That is what lead me to believe that high contributors should be spared for last; I was assuming that the game would go late, when it doesn't necessarily have to. I see now that lynching groups with high contributing members first has it's advantage in that those groups, at the time, have the most content to analyze.
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On May 29 2014 04:00 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 03:59 mderg wrote:On May 29 2014 03:57 Holyflare wrote:
Activity is the only real metric you should actually be using because more activity is more posting is easier scum reading.
I very strongly disagree with this. Just because someone is more active he doesn´t have to be easier to read than someone who is less active. i'm pretty confident I can read someone with more activity over someone with low activity anyday
I'm only confident I can read someone with a lot of activity over the same person with less activity.
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On May 29 2014 04:11 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 04:06 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 29 2014 03:59 Holyflare wrote: The thing i dont like about HF is that he didnt want to propose a cell order, wants to be mayor, then says mayor is useless (i think bat also brought up this point). Ive pointed out many times mayor isnt useless, and im not sure entirely why many people think it is. bunnies, the mayor is useless tbh, if a towny gets it that's cool and he follows the consensus and makes a good order! if a scum gets it we get a lot of information based on the new order they proposed and what they were saying before they get mayor! Ive seen town change the order of the way cells go as well. So saying that scum will change the order is null. This is really your argument on mayor being useless? when has the order ever been changed on forum mafia? i've seen it happen in video mafia and that change gave a lot of information too
I'm reading this as "I'm right because meta. Prove me wrong only using meta."
I'm not a fan.
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On May 29 2014 04:22 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 04:15 batsnacks wrote:On May 29 2014 04:11 Holyflare wrote:On May 29 2014 04:06 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 29 2014 03:59 Holyflare wrote: The thing i dont like about HF is that he didnt want to propose a cell order, wants to be mayor, then says mayor is useless (i think bat also brought up this point). Ive pointed out many times mayor isnt useless, and im not sure entirely why many people think it is. bunnies, the mayor is useless tbh, if a towny gets it that's cool and he follows the consensus and makes a good order! if a scum gets it we get a lot of information based on the new order they proposed and what they were saying before they get mayor! Ive seen town change the order of the way cells go as well. So saying that scum will change the order is null. This is really your argument on mayor being useless? when has the order ever been changed on forum mafia? i've seen it happen in video mafia and that change gave a lot of information too I'm reading this as "I'm right because meta. Prove me wrong only using meta." I'm not a fan. It's not just meta, it's logic. If a mafia gets the mayor and he puts himself into the last spot and fucks up the order then what? he's sacrificed his cell and given us 2 confirmed towns people that will stay through the entirety of the game giving their thoughts. You also get a lot of information based on the order that he formulated etc.
Town has three tools: mayor, lynch, and voice. You're trying to convince me a third of town's tools are useless. Electing a mayor who is town is a huge benefit because it lets town set the pace for the game and mafia have to play by some of our rules. This is not an opportunity that town is going to get twice this game. Running for mayor puts spotlight and pressure on the person running. Most of our analysis this game is based off of the mayor mechanic in the game. You are not going to convince me the mayor role is useless. I hope you aren't able to convince anyone else the mayor role is useless.
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We've got less that 2 hours.
Just consider this: What is the advantage of lynching the mayor's group first?
Lets assume that most people vote for the mayor because they believe he/she is town. If the mayor is in the cell to be lynched on day 1, that means that the first group up for lynch already has one person that the majority read as town. This gives town a starting advantage. If town can get the first victory, that is a lot of pressure on mafia. I would argue town winning day 1 is more important than town winning any other day, except for LYLO. Building momentum is important. Going into day 1 with a town read (the mayor) is an advantage. Consider this.
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On May 29 2014 11:13 WaveofShadow wrote:
Chainsaw defense is to defend someone by attacking others to discredit them or make the defended person appear better. Really HF?
Now again, unflipped association but that whole 'analysis' of my cell says absolutely dick all, and the only person he does not cast in a negative light with it is Palmar. Hell even ignoring the fact that I think Palmar is scum it doesn't look great. Nobody commented on this....and batsnacks himself responded to every other post made towards him at the given time I believe.
If you can explain why you didn't like whatever I posted without using the words "chainsaw defense" or "dick all" I will have an easier time responding to this issue you're creating. Even after this post I quoted I still don't understand how I've committed "chainsaw defense."
In the post I think you are referring to what I said about Palmar was "he's acting like he doesn't care." You're saying the only person in your cell I don't cast in a negative light is Palmar. "He's acting like he doesn't care" was implied as being negative. I was sharing the notes I made while reading in that post. If you think my notes mean "dick all" that bothers me. I went out of my way to share them because I thought they would be useful.
So maybe you'll explain yourself better or not but regardless I think there are more urgent matters at hand right now. We could have had a dialog day 1 and it would have been relevant before but you choose to pursue this now. At the moment I'm reading it as a selfish pursuit.
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On May 29 2014 12:00 Holyflare wrote:
Yehhh bumsnacks let's lynch shiaopi!
I've got a better idea lets cross that bridge when we come to it, which won't even be very long now.
How about this if the deadline was now who would you vote in group A? This is an open question anyone can answer it.
I'd vote MZ because he buddied with ritoky too fast, because I want to believe a mafia member wasn't elected as mayor over me, and because I liked Odin's first post more than any of MZ's that I can remember. That's what I've got and I think it is something.
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Odin maybe you should just take the day off I think the pressure is getting to you...
Does anyone want to have a calm dialog about what just happened and what it means?
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On May 29 2014 16:42 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 04:01 OdinOfPergo wrote:On May 29 2014 03:57 mderg wrote:On May 29 2014 03:46 OdinOfPergo wrote:
mderg I'm having trouble understanding your progression from
-don't want rit's to be mayor
-Rit's post a bit more = could be ok with Rit's mayor
-Likes Rits for mayor but would change cell order
You basically just realized you were tunneling him and then decided to 180% your read?
Your thought process here just doesn't seem natural. I skimmed at first and didn´t like his posts. I later realized that I missed well elaborated posts while skimming. But I still didn´t agree with the cell order. So I wanted him to change the cell order to fit the more recent ongoings while elaborating similarly to before. What about Rit's post that you missed made you change your mind? Because to be honest I don't like most of his 'murica this and that filler. It's just him insta buddying anyone that happens to play along. What's the easiest way to lead an agenda? Make friends. His post feel rather forced to me. Elaborate yes, but not in a way that gives me good vibes. I HATE posts like this. Rit seems to be making friends, does that make him scum? Rit's posting feels forced, does that make him scum? It's elaborate and gives you bad vibes, does that make him scum? Odin presents a lot of things rit is doing and neither gives examples of why he feels that way or makes a solid conclusion. Like, c'mon man, you KNOW that either rit or I have to be scum. For some reason it's incredibly hard for odin to form a solid read (other than Palmar lol). When I started off the game I wanted to solve my own cell first because I had a whopping 50% chance of doing that. HF mentioned that one of the things he liked about odin was that he was reading the whole game. That's great, but at this point he can't even give a solid read on his own cell which honestly just screams scum who's not certain which cell member he'll have a better chance to misslynch.
I was rereading and I found something that really bothered me. It's in red above. MZ I thought you were pushing Odin as scum. If Odin is scum, how would he "KNOW" that either ritoky or you are scum? There can only be one mafia per cell.
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On May 30 2014 01:37 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2014 01:31 batsnacks wrote:On May 29 2014 16:42 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 29 2014 04:01 OdinOfPergo wrote:On May 29 2014 03:57 mderg wrote:On May 29 2014 03:46 OdinOfPergo wrote:
mderg I'm having trouble understanding your progression from
-don't want rit's to be mayor
-Rit's post a bit more = could be ok with Rit's mayor
-Likes Rits for mayor but would change cell order
You basically just realized you were tunneling him and then decided to 180% your read?
Your thought process here just doesn't seem natural. I skimmed at first and didn´t like his posts. I later realized that I missed well elaborated posts while skimming. But I still didn´t agree with the cell order. So I wanted him to change the cell order to fit the more recent ongoings while elaborating similarly to before. What about Rit's post that you missed made you change your mind? Because to be honest I don't like most of his 'murica this and that filler. It's just him insta buddying anyone that happens to play along. What's the easiest way to lead an agenda? Make friends. His post feel rather forced to me. Elaborate yes, but not in a way that gives me good vibes. I HATE posts like this. Rit seems to be making friends, does that make him scum? Rit's posting feels forced, does that make him scum? It's elaborate and gives you bad vibes, does that make him scum? Odin presents a lot of things rit is doing and neither gives examples of why he feels that way or makes a solid conclusion. Like, c'mon man, you KNOW that either rit or I have to be scum. For some reason it's incredibly hard for odin to form a solid read (other than Palmar lol). When I started off the game I wanted to solve my own cell first because I had a whopping 50% chance of doing that. HF mentioned that one of the things he liked about odin was that he was reading the whole game. That's great, but at this point he can't even give a solid read on his own cell which honestly just screams scum who's not certain which cell member he'll have a better chance to misslynch. I was rereading and I found something that really bothered me. It's in red above. MZ I thought you were pushing Odin as scum. If Odin is scum, how would he "KNOW" that either ritoky or you are scum? There can only be one mafia per cell. I agree that this is bad wording but I don´t feel like it has any significance.
If it's just bad wording, how would you re-word it to make it "good wording?"
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On May 30 2014 01:43 OdinOfPergo wrote:
also re- (Pls forgive)
HF, Ninja, Poof, my #1 townies.
Who cares? Do you have anything to say about Cell A?
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On May 30 2014 01:45 OdinOfPergo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2014 01:44 batsnacks wrote:On May 30 2014 01:43 OdinOfPergo wrote:
also re- (Pls forgive)
HF, Ninja, Poof, my #1 townies. Who cares? Do you have anything to say about Cell A? are ytou even fucking serious? Have you read tghe last page?
You didn't exactly make it easy on me.
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On May 30 2014 01:50 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2014 01:39 batsnacks wrote:On May 30 2014 01:37 mderg wrote:On May 30 2014 01:31 batsnacks wrote:On May 29 2014 16:42 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 29 2014 04:01 OdinOfPergo wrote:On May 29 2014 03:57 mderg wrote:On May 29 2014 03:46 OdinOfPergo wrote:
mderg I'm having trouble understanding your progression from
-don't want rit's to be mayor
-Rit's post a bit more = could be ok with Rit's mayor
-Likes Rits for mayor but would change cell order
You basically just realized you were tunneling him and then decided to 180% your read?
Your thought process here just doesn't seem natural. I skimmed at first and didn´t like his posts. I later realized that I missed well elaborated posts while skimming. But I still didn´t agree with the cell order. So I wanted him to change the cell order to fit the more recent ongoings while elaborating similarly to before. What about Rit's post that you missed made you change your mind? Because to be honest I don't like most of his 'murica this and that filler. It's just him insta buddying anyone that happens to play along. What's the easiest way to lead an agenda? Make friends. His post feel rather forced to me. Elaborate yes, but not in a way that gives me good vibes. I HATE posts like this. Rit seems to be making friends, does that make him scum? Rit's posting feels forced, does that make him scum? It's elaborate and gives you bad vibes, does that make him scum? Odin presents a lot of things rit is doing and neither gives examples of why he feels that way or makes a solid conclusion. Like, c'mon man, you KNOW that either rit or I have to be scum. For some reason it's incredibly hard for odin to form a solid read (other than Palmar lol). When I started off the game I wanted to solve my own cell first because I had a whopping 50% chance of doing that. HF mentioned that one of the things he liked about odin was that he was reading the whole game. That's great, but at this point he can't even give a solid read on his own cell which honestly just screams scum who's not certain which cell member he'll have a better chance to misslynch. I was rereading and I found something that really bothered me. It's in red above. MZ I thought you were pushing Odin as scum. If Odin is scum, how would he "KNOW" that either ritoky or you are scum? There can only be one mafia per cell. I agree that this is bad wording but I don´t feel like it has any significance. If it's just bad wording, how would you re-word it to make it "good wording?" Something like this: As town you would know that either rit or I have to be scum.
It still bothers me. Something about the "KNOW" in all caps makes be believe that MZ actually knows odin's alignment is town and it slipped through his subconscious as he was writing. It's a confident, emotional statement.
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Not planning on voting until Odin posts something that isn't from a portable device.
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On May 30 2014 04:06 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2014 03:35 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 30 2014 03:30 Holyflare wrote:+ Show Spoiler +mz we've got your reads on your cell, explain the rest of the game to us, who else is scum? Ok gimme a sec to get everything together. I'll tell you right now I think it's Palmar from B because Palmar who doesn't give a shit is scumpalmar Cell C: HF, you’ve been active all game and I generally agree with your reads and your “townpile.” I have you as town right now. Batsnacks wanted group C to go first because he felt he “had a grasp on it” but hasn’t actually provided any insight into the group aside from his one big post where he “didn’t like” and was “not a fan” of lots of people but did not provide any solid reads. At the moment, only real scumread is me for “buddying ritoky.” His to big posts were a summary and setup speculation. Overall not really impressed with what I’ve seen. ShaioPi is sadly less impressive than batsnacks. He calls HF, Tamburini, and ritoky scum and then never really revisits it. He doesn’t like group A and he wanted batsnacks to be mayor. Overall incredibly lurky and low content. I had called him scum for saying he didn’t like freedom but at the moment he’s the scummiest from group C imo. Cell D Tamburini rng’d a list of scum and then afk’d, null. ObiWan is lurky as well. Has thrice promised a case and then reneged. The only real read he provides is sloosh as scum. There’s a casual open manner to his posts though imo so I’ll give him a pass until I see more substantive posts. I guess I’m cautiously optimistic about obiwan. Sloosh is active lurking and he chainsaw’s Odin by going after me. I personally think his case is hilariously bad and because I think Odin is scum, I’m gonna throw down the omgus and say that sloosh is the scum from Cell D. His active lurking and lack of reads is bad enough, the chainsaw is icing on the cake. Cell E Layabout has been spectacularly useless, but he might be the scum from this group because he goes after ritoky, but then changes his tune after the lynch on me starts to pick up speed. This is just another chainsaw defense of odin. Layabout goes from saying ritoky’s plan makes perfect sense from a mafia perspective to saying I’m scum for buddying him. The only thing that makes sense here from a mafia perspective is layabout’s play because he realizes I’m an easier lynch than ritoky. 27NB has been active and her reads have been decent. Townread from me. Mderg hasn’t really been pushing any reads, but what he has said has been well thought out and logical so I feel pretty good about him as well. So my scum team looks like this: Odin, Palmar, ShaioPi, Sloosh, Layabout. Most confident on the first two, least confident on ShaioPi .
It's not correct to say I "didn't like" or "was not a fan of" lots of people. It would be correct to say that I "didn't like" or "was not a fan of" specific things lots of people did. There were very few people I actually didn't like.
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I'm caught up but I can't think of anything to contribute.
On May 30 2014 21:12 Palmar wrote:
I agree with the read on ninja. probably scum.
I'm really conflicted about today's lynch though. Odin's drunken frustration looked sort of townie, but MZ's random shit looks townie too.
Idk.
If you're still here, what about ritoky?
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Ritoky said recently in regards to "why MZ and I both are against Odin" that they both "got huge town reads on each other early." That their reads for their cell were more or less decided before Odin even entered the game.
Early in the game, the MZ/Ritoky friendship was not one I personally expected to last because it seemed like they were only doing it as a joke with the whole "murica" thing. But it has lasted and that is what has me wondering.
When Odin finally did show up it seemed like most of their combined efforts went toward defending the early friendship and trying to bring Odin down.
So I think mafia in their group is either rit/MZ. I mentioned in an earlier post that I like the idea of the mayor's group being first because most people will get to go into the first lynch day with a town read, the mayor, and that is a small advantage. I have mentioned before that I want to believe that a mafia member was not elected mayor over me, especially not because of a bunch of freedom fluff. So out of rit/MZ I have to go with MZ right now. I hesitate because everyone is doing exactly the same thing except for one person that I am very suspicious of (read: Palmar).
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speak of the devil and he shall appear
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Odin that red text thing you do is a little hard to understand.
Here's some more things I had in my notes since you asked:
- MZ is most critical of his critics
- In MZ's response to this:
On May 29 2014 12:27 ritoky wrote:@MZ, If the mod suddenly banned freedom and murrica from this thread, then what would you base your read on myself and Odin on?
Is this:
On May 29 2014 16:42 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I was initially all over you for the lulz mostly, I thought your intro post was good and not something scum would do but I really had no idea how things would pan out. Since then my initial judgement has been reaffirmed, I'd be townreading you right now even without the America stuff.
On May 30 2014 03:21 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
And a word about the whole ritoky nonsense. I get hype for cheesy Murica shit. I thought that was well known enough that people would be laughing along with me but apparently I've been inactive long enough for people to forget. I could go extreme meta and quote my own TL post history to prove this but imo the whole conversation is kind of silly. If ritoky hadn't actually acted town after his first couple of posts I would have backed off him (I even said so) but since he continued strong I just rolled with the freedom thing. Basically everyone has a green read on ritoky for the same reasons I do. Just because I'm down with freedom and eagles doesn't mean I can't read what else he posts. Everyone harping on that honestly sounds really dumb right now.
So he admits that he likes America and eagles and all that. He says he was initially all over ritoky for the "lulz [sic]." As for why he continued buddying ritoky, he only says that it's because his initial judgement had been reaffirmed. But his initial judgement was because of "lulz [sic]." He doesn't say reaffirmed by what specifically, just that it was reaffirmed somehow.
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Damn it no one is going to read that thing I just posted because it's at the bottom of the page.
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On May 30 2014 23:01 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2014 22:56 batsnacks wrote:
Damn it no one is going to read that thing I just posted because it's at the bottom of the page. Don't think it really applies. He meant that he town read ritoky for being ballsy and then his town read was reaffirmed when he did towny looking scum hunting.
Are you sure? Because that's not what he wrote.
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I want to talk about Odin's response to MZ's last big post (I fixed a missing red tag):
On May 30 2014 17:25 OdinOfPergo wrote:Ok actually, I've been trying to wrap my head around your meaning in this post for a while now. And I just can't do it. SO here, these are my thoughts about it and hopefully people can elaborate. And yes, just to bring up hairs, I'm going to use red font! HA! (Really it was because tl doesn't have yellow t.t) Show nested quote +On May 30 2014 17:00 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 30 2014 16:51 OdinOfPergo wrote:
Like yes, I don't post 65536 freaking post a cycle. It will never happen. But you are saying I have produced nothing this game.
And you are out-right lying about it because in my limited number of post this game I have produced more content than like 80% of the players here.
And you want to lynch me for it.
Why? I want to lynch you because you're scum and you've been waffling between me and rit, How exactly? Just because I was unsure of who was scum makes me "waffling"?" My second question is how the hell did you come to the conclusion 100% Odin is scum before I ever even replaced in? Like you already know my alignment. You don't do analyses on me for it. You're post imply you know it. And have known it since the start of the game. you thought it was gonna be rit for a long time but never committed so now that I'm under the gun you can switch to me. I didn't "think for a long time" I thought for the two hours I played catch up, 20 minutes in the shower, and then POSTED I THOUGHT MABY Rit's motivations should be questioned. Was I wrong for doing that? No, I still think Rit's motivations seem weird. Maby less scummy because of my progressing read on you. But still odd none-the-less. I really don't care about what else you've done, I'm looking at how you've played your cell and all you've done is angle yourself to stay alive by making sure you'll be on the right side of the lynch. Oh of course!, I mean why should you care about what I've done?!~ You obviously already know my alignment so why try to even BOTHER FIGURING IT OUT? FUCK.. Your first 5 or 6 posts are all about the bad things that ritoky did but as I pointed out, you never called him scum. My first few post were me bringing what I thought, how I came to those conclusions, and trying to elaborate on said CONCLUSIONS, with people! Like I don't even understand you here. Of course I'm going to try to stay alive. When I replaced into this game and caught up, many ppl were posting suspicions of me. As town it would be against my wincon to NOT TRY TO SURVIVE. Aside from Palmar I'm the only person you've actually called scum and aggressively gone after, you did this after it became apparent that ritoky was not catching on as a lynch. [red.. you know what? I'm not even mad. My reads develop. You know that's how it works. I read stuff, make decisions, and then repeat. That's textbook opportunistic scum play in an attempt to stay alive. You kept your options open until you saw which way the thread was going. Don't give me BS about the other reads you've given, I don't care because those don't matter right now. All that matters is you, me, and ritoky, and it's clear your focus isn't finding scum but instead staying alive, and that's a scum play right there. Repeat statement. Of course you don't give a damn about what I've posted. Why try to figure out if I'm actually scum? You don't need a reason to call me scum or anything. No never. You don't even have to read my post! It's not like you didn't receive a msg from the fucking host telling you my alignment or anything. GOD WHY WOULD ANYONE EVER TRY TO FIGURE OUT SOMEONE ELSES ALIGNMENT?! [/red]
Odin's responses are in red.
Anyway right after this post Palmar comes into the thread with this:
On May 30 2014 18:25 Palmar wrote:
Odin I'm not mafia. If you dn't agree that I'm not mafia I'm going to keep voting you because you're being intentionally and willingly thick. You know I do whatever I want to do as any alignment, so me playing anti-town should be a null-tell to you.
I don't even care if you believe it. Just admit that your scumread on me is dumb, even if you're lying.
I think Palmar is trying draw attention away from Odin's credible responses by trying to get Odin to blow up and "act emo" again. He is trying to get the thread to focus on Odin's bad posts by provoking Odin to make more of them. In a later post Palmar says specifically:
On May 30 2014 23:48 Palmar wrote:
I like your playstyle (I'll teach you to format your posts some day, that's the one real issue I have) but for in-game purposes making you emo would be great.
So why does Palmar go on to vote MZ after all that? I'm not really sure. Maybe he realized trying to get Odin lynched is a lost cause at this point.
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On May 31 2014 01:35 slOosh wrote:
People who haven't voted: Vote.
People who have, let's keep discussion on Cell A.
Who should I vote?
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On May 31 2014 01:38 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2014 01:37 batsnacks wrote:On May 31 2014 01:35 slOosh wrote:
People who haven't voted: Vote.
People who have, let's keep discussion on Cell A. Who should I vote? Who you think is scum.
Who should I think is scum?
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On May 31 2014 01:40 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2014 01:38 batsnacks wrote:On May 31 2014 01:38 slOosh wrote:On May 31 2014 01:37 batsnacks wrote:On May 31 2014 01:35 slOosh wrote:
People who haven't voted: Vote.
People who have, let's keep discussion on Cell A. Who should I vote? Who you think is scum. Who should I think is scum? In case you missed it Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 15:57 slOosh wrote:I'm reasonably sure that Meapak_Ziphh is the scum in Cell A. I believe his strategy is to buddy up hard to one member to get support for lynching the other. Namely, buddying up to ritoky to lynch thrawn, now replaced with Odin. Take one of his starting posts: On May 28 2014 07:48 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Where are my cell mates?
I want to analyze the shit out of them This is quickly followed with a slew of On May 28 2014 07:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Holy mother of god I know who I'm voting for mayor
I also know who the scum is in my cell.
On May 28 2014 07:50 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I'm so hard right now On May 28 2014 07:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I'm posting this just so everyone knows where I'm at right now
<eagle-American-flag-erection.gif> On May 28 2014 08:15 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 28 2014 08:08 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 28 2014 08:04 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 28 2014 08:02 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 28 2014 07:59 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 28 2014 07:58 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 28 2014 07:50 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I'm so hard right now What is with all you boys getting hard. It's mafia. Not sex. Also ritoky i give you 9/10 for the freedom messup. We use our penises to scum hunt. I've already caught thrawn and shaiopi with mine, you lack a penis and haven't caught anyone. Coincidence? I think not... And you are so sure on them, aren't you? Why? What is your evidence. though i agree a bit with shaiopi. He seems to be wanting to disregard holyflare entirely. And the tone of his posts throw me off. I like hf. But that could be due to the cute kitty. I may lack a penis, but I have women's intuition, and boobs and a vagina. Sorry but way more powerful than your penis. My evidence against thrawn is that he must be scum since ritoky and myself are both town My evidence against Shaiopi is that he hates freedom. Two ironclad cases and I'm just getting warmed up. Ohhh.. Process of elimination. Didn't realize he was in your cell. I should probably look at that list. Okay, so why is ritoky more town than thrawn? Has he even (thrawn) commented on anything yet? And are you just basing that case on his mayor post? Also, if you like ritoky for his post(if thats the reason why) what do you not like about hf? George Washington himself personally told me ritoky was town. He said that we must rebel against King Thrawn the third.
King Thrawn has not commented on anything yet, he is crazy after all. The problem with HF is that he included kittens, a sure sign of weakness. Also I may still want to policy lynch him after golden sun, I haven't decided on that yet. + Show Spoiler +In all seriousness, I actually have a really good townread off of ritoky based on that post alone. It may change (I would be crushed if it had to) but that sort of entry into the thread is the antithesis of what I'd expect him to do as scum. If anyone has meta arguments against my gut (and George Washington), better tell me now. This post is roughly an hour or so after the game has started. Thrawn hasn't posted at this point, and ritoky's only post at this point is his platform post. The only reason why Meapak would act this way as town is if he had a rock solid conviction that ritoky was absolutely 100% town, going solely off his mayor platform post, so much so that no matter what thrawn posts, it wouldn't affect his read. This is absurd. There is no way anyone could have gotten such a strong read off 1 post. And here is the clincher: On May 28 2014 08:35 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 28 2014 08:31 ritoky wrote:Personally, I find it strange that holyflare has not commented at all on the strongest case against him as mayor to this point. It may just be that he has been floored by the light of freedom and cannot rebut the awesome truth of murrica. Unlike shiaopi's claims of me being lazy and disappearing from the thread claim, I have no intentions of going quietly into the night. Those of us who fight for freedom day in and day out realize the hard work that it entails. We pull ourselves up by our boot straps, put on our pants one leg at a time, and work to rid the world of all that opposes the power of freedom. We know freedom isn't free. (please click for reference) Furthermore the founding father of freedom, George Washington, has reminded me of 2 things: always trust in the power of freedom and murricans always are first. So to further my case for mayor, I propose that Cell A goes first. It also contains the most obvious scum currently in the case of Thrawn, who clearly hates freedom. The founders themselves approve of this plan. Elect Ritoky so that Cell A can go first<ron swanson flag.gif> On May 28 2014 08:46 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 28 2014 08:40 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 28 2014 08:35 Tehpoofter wrote:On May 28 2014 07:21 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
ritoky and thrawn huh? One of you is scum and you're going down the hard way.
Also no to HF as mayor, I'd rather RNG mayor... Dear god RNG already. Did we not learn our lesson in Golden Sun? Although I think that bringing up the bad idea of Rng makes you more town in that mafia would most likely want to secure mayor for themselves leaving it up to RNG sounds more towny thought process but a bad idea. Meh, not really. Mayoral role is mostly useless in this setup, but thanks for playing! So, we lynching Plammar? No bbz we lynch thrawn after we elect ritoky. On May 29 2014 04:44 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
##Vote: Ritoky
I will be out for most of the day (PST) but I implore those who are on the fence about voting to at least elect someone who will put either cell A or cell B first.
That said you should obviously vote for freedom
<eagle / flag / america .gif> By lynching into Cell A first, there are absolutely no repercussions. He can say whatever he wants about the other cells, he could bus as hard as he wants, it doesn't matter if he doesn't actually flip since no one can call him out for it. He equates voting Cell A with freedom, which is actually a non reason. He clearly wants cell A to go first, but offers no analysis of why this would be the best course of action. Instead, all he sees is get Cell A first, lynch thrawn, who cares about the rest. This is indicative of scum mentality, as town would definitely consider how to order things even after they are gone, whereas scum can have their teammates figure out the leftovers. I believe ritoky has shown good analysis (when it came to actually deciding total cell order), and Odin's first few posts look like he is trying to figure out ritoky. Meapak has done neither, his filter is full of fluff and he is trying to get away with it with a D1 mislynch. ##Vote: Meapak_Ziphh
That's the person YOU think is scum. What if the person I think is scum is different from the person you think is scum?
Would you rather I voted for the person you think is scum or the person I think is scum?
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On May 31 2014 01:45 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2014 01:42 batsnacks wrote:On May 31 2014 01:40 slOosh wrote:On May 31 2014 01:38 batsnacks wrote:On May 31 2014 01:38 slOosh wrote:On May 31 2014 01:37 batsnacks wrote:On May 31 2014 01:35 slOosh wrote:
People who haven't voted: Vote.
People who have, let's keep discussion on Cell A. Who should I vote? Who you think is scum. Who should I think is scum? In case you missed it On May 29 2014 15:57 slOosh wrote:I'm reasonably sure that Meapak_Ziphh is the scum in Cell A. I believe his strategy is to buddy up hard to one member to get support for lynching the other. Namely, buddying up to ritoky to lynch thrawn, now replaced with Odin. Take one of his starting posts: On May 28 2014 07:48 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Where are my cell mates?
I want to analyze the shit out of them This is quickly followed with a slew of On May 28 2014 07:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Holy mother of god I know who I'm voting for mayor
I also know who the scum is in my cell.
On May 28 2014 07:50 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I'm so hard right now On May 28 2014 07:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I'm posting this just so everyone knows where I'm at right now
<eagle-American-flag-erection.gif> On May 28 2014 08:15 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 28 2014 08:08 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 28 2014 08:04 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 28 2014 08:02 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 28 2014 07:59 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 28 2014 07:58 27ninjabunnies wrote:
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What is with all you boys getting hard.
It's mafia. Not sex.
Also ritoky i give you 9/10 for the freedom messup. We use our penises to scum hunt. I've already caught thrawn and shaiopi with mine, you lack a penis and haven't caught anyone. Coincidence? I think not... And you are so sure on them, aren't you? Why? What is your evidence. though i agree a bit with shaiopi. He seems to be wanting to disregard holyflare entirely. And the tone of his posts throw me off. I like hf. But that could be due to the cute kitty. I may lack a penis, but I have women's intuition, and boobs and a vagina. Sorry but way more powerful than your penis. My evidence against thrawn is that he must be scum since ritoky and myself are both town My evidence against Shaiopi is that he hates freedom. Two ironclad cases and I'm just getting warmed up. Ohhh.. Process of elimination. Didn't realize he was in your cell. I should probably look at that list. Okay, so why is ritoky more town than thrawn? Has he even (thrawn) commented on anything yet? And are you just basing that case on his mayor post? Also, if you like ritoky for his post(if thats the reason why) what do you not like about hf? George Washington himself personally told me ritoky was town. He said that we must rebel against King Thrawn the third.
King Thrawn has not commented on anything yet, he is crazy after all. The problem with HF is that he included kittens, a sure sign of weakness. Also I may still want to policy lynch him after golden sun, I haven't decided on that yet. + Show Spoiler +In all seriousness, I actually have a really good townread off of ritoky based on that post alone. It may change (I would be crushed if it had to) but that sort of entry into the thread is the antithesis of what I'd expect him to do as scum. If anyone has meta arguments against my gut (and George Washington), better tell me now. This post is roughly an hour or so after the game has started. Thrawn hasn't posted at this point, and ritoky's only post at this point is his platform post. The only reason why Meapak would act this way as town is if he had a rock solid conviction that ritoky was absolutely 100% town, going solely off his mayor platform post, so much so that no matter what thrawn posts, it wouldn't affect his read. This is absurd. There is no way anyone could have gotten such a strong read off 1 post. And here is the clincher: On May 28 2014 08:35 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 28 2014 08:31 ritoky wrote:Personally, I find it strange that holyflare has not commented at all on the strongest case against him as mayor to this point. It may just be that he has been floored by the light of freedom and cannot rebut the awesome truth of murrica. Unlike shiaopi's claims of me being lazy and disappearing from the thread claim, I have no intentions of going quietly into the night. Those of us who fight for freedom day in and day out realize the hard work that it entails. We pull ourselves up by our boot straps, put on our pants one leg at a time, and work to rid the world of all that opposes the power of freedom. We know freedom isn't free. (please click for reference) Furthermore the founding father of freedom, George Washington, has reminded me of 2 things: always trust in the power of freedom and murricans always are first. So to further my case for mayor, I propose that Cell A goes first. It also contains the most obvious scum currently in the case of Thrawn, who clearly hates freedom. The founders themselves approve of this plan. Elect Ritoky so that Cell A can go first<ron swanson flag.gif> On May 28 2014 08:46 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 28 2014 08:40 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 28 2014 08:35 Tehpoofter wrote:On May 28 2014 07:21 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
ritoky and thrawn huh? One of you is scum and you're going down the hard way.
Also no to HF as mayor, I'd rather RNG mayor... Dear god RNG already. Did we not learn our lesson in Golden Sun? Although I think that bringing up the bad idea of Rng makes you more town in that mafia would most likely want to secure mayor for themselves leaving it up to RNG sounds more towny thought process but a bad idea. Meh, not really. Mayoral role is mostly useless in this setup, but thanks for playing! So, we lynching Plammar? No bbz we lynch thrawn after we elect ritoky. On May 29 2014 04:44 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
##Vote: Ritoky
I will be out for most of the day (PST) but I implore those who are on the fence about voting to at least elect someone who will put either cell A or cell B first.
That said you should obviously vote for freedom
<eagle / flag / america .gif> By lynching into Cell A first, there are absolutely no repercussions. He can say whatever he wants about the other cells, he could bus as hard as he wants, it doesn't matter if he doesn't actually flip since no one can call him out for it. He equates voting Cell A with freedom, which is actually a non reason. He clearly wants cell A to go first, but offers no analysis of why this would be the best course of action. Instead, all he sees is get Cell A first, lynch thrawn, who cares about the rest. This is indicative of scum mentality, as town would definitely consider how to order things even after they are gone, whereas scum can have their teammates figure out the leftovers. I believe ritoky has shown good analysis (when it came to actually deciding total cell order), and Odin's first few posts look like he is trying to figure out ritoky. Meapak has done neither, his filter is full of fluff and he is trying to get away with it with a D1 mislynch. ##Vote: Meapak_Ziphh That's the person YOU think is scum. What if the person I think is scum is different from the person you think is scum? Would you rather I voted for the person you think is scum or the person I think is scum? What??
You think MZ is scum.
How would it make you feel if I voted ritoky or Odin? There's only two of them so I don't think it's unreasonable to ask how you feel about both options.
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On May 31 2014 01:47 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2014 01:46 batsnacks wrote:On May 31 2014 01:45 slOosh wrote:On May 31 2014 01:42 batsnacks wrote:On May 31 2014 01:40 slOosh wrote:On May 31 2014 01:38 batsnacks wrote:On May 31 2014 01:38 slOosh wrote:On May 31 2014 01:37 batsnacks wrote:On May 31 2014 01:35 slOosh wrote:
People who haven't voted: Vote.
People who have, let's keep discussion on Cell A. Who should I vote? Who you think is scum. Who should I think is scum? In case you missed it On May 29 2014 15:57 slOosh wrote:I'm reasonably sure that Meapak_Ziphh is the scum in Cell A. I believe his strategy is to buddy up hard to one member to get support for lynching the other. Namely, buddying up to ritoky to lynch thrawn, now replaced with Odin. Take one of his starting posts: On May 28 2014 07:48 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Where are my cell mates?
I want to analyze the shit out of them This is quickly followed with a slew of On May 28 2014 07:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Holy mother of god I know who I'm voting for mayor
I also know who the scum is in my cell.
On May 28 2014 07:50 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I'm so hard right now On May 28 2014 07:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I'm posting this just so everyone knows where I'm at right now
<eagle-American-flag-erection.gif> On May 28 2014 08:15 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 28 2014 08:08 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 28 2014 08:04 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 28 2014 08:02 27ninjabunnies wrote:
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And you are so sure on them, aren't you?
Why? What is your evidence.
though i agree a bit with shaiopi. He seems to be wanting to disregard holyflare entirely.
And the tone of his posts throw me off.
I like hf. But that could be due to the cute kitty.
I may lack a penis, but I have women's intuition, and boobs and a vagina.
Sorry but way more powerful than your penis. My evidence against thrawn is that he must be scum since ritoky and myself are both town My evidence against Shaiopi is that he hates freedom. Two ironclad cases and I'm just getting warmed up. Ohhh.. Process of elimination. Didn't realize he was in your cell. I should probably look at that list. Okay, so why is ritoky more town than thrawn? Has he even (thrawn) commented on anything yet? And are you just basing that case on his mayor post? Also, if you like ritoky for his post(if thats the reason why) what do you not like about hf? George Washington himself personally told me ritoky was town. He said that we must rebel against King Thrawn the third.
King Thrawn has not commented on anything yet, he is crazy after all. The problem with HF is that he included kittens, a sure sign of weakness. Also I may still want to policy lynch him after golden sun, I haven't decided on that yet. + Show Spoiler +In all seriousness, I actually have a really good townread off of ritoky based on that post alone. It may change (I would be crushed if it had to) but that sort of entry into the thread is the antithesis of what I'd expect him to do as scum. If anyone has meta arguments against my gut (and George Washington), better tell me now. This post is roughly an hour or so after the game has started. Thrawn hasn't posted at this point, and ritoky's only post at this point is his platform post. The only reason why Meapak would act this way as town is if he had a rock solid conviction that ritoky was absolutely 100% town, going solely off his mayor platform post, so much so that no matter what thrawn posts, it wouldn't affect his read. This is absurd. There is no way anyone could have gotten such a strong read off 1 post. And here is the clincher: On May 28 2014 08:35 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 28 2014 08:31 ritoky wrote:Personally, I find it strange that holyflare has not commented at all on the strongest case against him as mayor to this point. It may just be that he has been floored by the light of freedom and cannot rebut the awesome truth of murrica. Unlike shiaopi's claims of me being lazy and disappearing from the thread claim, I have no intentions of going quietly into the night. Those of us who fight for freedom day in and day out realize the hard work that it entails. We pull ourselves up by our boot straps, put on our pants one leg at a time, and work to rid the world of all that opposes the power of freedom. We know freedom isn't free. (please click for reference) Furthermore the founding father of freedom, George Washington, has reminded me of 2 things: always trust in the power of freedom and murricans always are first. So to further my case for mayor, I propose that Cell A goes first. It also contains the most obvious scum currently in the case of Thrawn, who clearly hates freedom. The founders themselves approve of this plan. Elect Ritoky so that Cell A can go first<ron swanson flag.gif> On May 28 2014 08:46 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 28 2014 08:40 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 28 2014 08:35 Tehpoofter wrote:On May 28 2014 07:21 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
ritoky and thrawn huh? One of you is scum and you're going down the hard way.
Also no to HF as mayor, I'd rather RNG mayor... Dear god RNG already. Did we not learn our lesson in Golden Sun? Although I think that bringing up the bad idea of Rng makes you more town in that mafia would most likely want to secure mayor for themselves leaving it up to RNG sounds more towny thought process but a bad idea. Meh, not really. Mayoral role is mostly useless in this setup, but thanks for playing! So, we lynching Plammar? No bbz we lynch thrawn after we elect ritoky. On May 29 2014 04:44 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
##Vote: Ritoky
I will be out for most of the day (PST) but I implore those who are on the fence about voting to at least elect someone who will put either cell A or cell B first.
That said you should obviously vote for freedom
<eagle / flag / america .gif> By lynching into Cell A first, there are absolutely no repercussions. He can say whatever he wants about the other cells, he could bus as hard as he wants, it doesn't matter if he doesn't actually flip since no one can call him out for it. He equates voting Cell A with freedom, which is actually a non reason. He clearly wants cell A to go first, but offers no analysis of why this would be the best course of action. Instead, all he sees is get Cell A first, lynch thrawn, who cares about the rest. This is indicative of scum mentality, as town would definitely consider how to order things even after they are gone, whereas scum can have their teammates figure out the leftovers. I believe ritoky has shown good analysis (when it came to actually deciding total cell order), and Odin's first few posts look like he is trying to figure out ritoky. Meapak has done neither, his filter is full of fluff and he is trying to get away with it with a D1 mislynch. ##Vote: Meapak_Ziphh That's the person YOU think is scum. What if the person I think is scum is different from the person you think is scum? Would you rather I voted for the person you think is scum or the person I think is scum? What?? You think MZ is scum. How would it make you feel if I voted ritoky or Odin? There's only two of them so I don't think it's unreasonable to ask how you feel about both options. I'd think you are wrong, and depending on your explanations for voting them I might consider you scum.
Lets say I did like Palmar and didn't offer you any explanation. Would you consider me scum for that?
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On May 31 2014 01:54 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2014 01:30 batsnacks wrote:I want to talk about Odin's response to MZ's last big post (I fixed a missing red tag): On May 30 2014 17:25 OdinOfPergo wrote:Ok actually, I've been trying to wrap my head around your meaning in this post for a while now. And I just can't do it. SO here, these are my thoughts about it and hopefully people can elaborate. And yes, just to bring up hairs, I'm going to use red font! HA! (Really it was because tl doesn't have yellow t.t) On May 30 2014 17:00 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 30 2014 16:51 OdinOfPergo wrote:
Like yes, I don't post 65536 freaking post a cycle. It will never happen. But you are saying I have produced nothing this game.
And you are out-right lying about it because in my limited number of post this game I have produced more content than like 80% of the players here.
And you want to lynch me for it.
Why? I want to lynch you because you're scum and you've been waffling between me and rit, How exactly? Just because I was unsure of who was scum makes me "waffling"?" My second question is how the hell did you come to the conclusion 100% Odin is scum before I ever even replaced in? Like you already know my alignment. You don't do analyses on me for it. You're post imply you know it. And have known it since the start of the game. you thought it was gonna be rit for a long time but never committed so now that I'm under the gun you can switch to me. I didn't "think for a long time" I thought for the two hours I played catch up, 20 minutes in the shower, and then POSTED I THOUGHT MABY Rit's motivations should be questioned. Was I wrong for doing that? No, I still think Rit's motivations seem weird. Maby less scummy because of my progressing read on you. But still odd none-the-less. I really don't care about what else you've done, I'm looking at how you've played your cell and all you've done is angle yourself to stay alive by making sure you'll be on the right side of the lynch. Oh of course!, I mean why should you care about what I've done?!~ You obviously already know my alignment so why try to even BOTHER FIGURING IT OUT? FUCK.. Your first 5 or 6 posts are all about the bad things that ritoky did but as I pointed out, you never called him scum. My first few post were me bringing what I thought, how I came to those conclusions, and trying to elaborate on said CONCLUSIONS, with people! Like I don't even understand you here. Of course I'm going to try to stay alive. When I replaced into this game and caught up, many ppl were posting suspicions of me. As town it would be against my wincon to NOT TRY TO SURVIVE. Aside from Palmar I'm the only person you've actually called scum and aggressively gone after, you did this after it became apparent that ritoky was not catching on as a lynch. [red.. you know what? I'm not even mad. My reads develop. You know that's how it works. I read stuff, make decisions, and then repeat. That's textbook opportunistic scum play in an attempt to stay alive. You kept your options open until you saw which way the thread was going. Don't give me BS about the other reads you've given, I don't care because those don't matter right now. All that matters is you, me, and ritoky, and it's clear your focus isn't finding scum but instead staying alive, and that's a scum play right there. Repeat statement. Of course you don't give a damn about what I've posted. Why try to figure out if I'm actually scum? You don't need a reason to call me scum or anything. No never. You don't even have to read my post! It's not like you didn't receive a msg from the fucking host telling you my alignment or anything. GOD WHY WOULD ANYONE EVER TRY TO FIGURE OUT SOMEONE ELSES ALIGNMENT?! Odin's responses are in red. Anyway right after this post Palmar comes into the thread with this: On May 30 2014 18:25 Palmar wrote:
Odin I'm not mafia. If you dn't agree that I'm not mafia I'm going to keep voting you because you're being intentionally and willingly thick. You know I do whatever I want to do as any alignment, so me playing anti-town should be a null-tell to you.
I don't even care if you believe it. Just admit that your scumread on me is dumb, even if you're lying. I think Palmar is trying draw attention away from Odin's credible responses by trying to get Odin to blow up and "act emo" again. He is trying to get the thread to focus on Odin's bad posts by provoking Odin to make more of them. In a later post Palmar says specifically: On May 30 2014 23:48 Palmar wrote:
I like your playstyle (I'll teach you to format your posts some day, that's the one real issue I have) but for in-game purposes making you emo would be great.
So why does Palmar go on to vote MZ after all that? I'm not really sure. Maybe he realized trying to get Odin lynched is a lost cause at this point. I respect you as a human being but this post is garbage. [/red]
I respect you because you got me to respond to nothing but at least not all of my posts are garbage like yours.
On May 31 2014 01:55 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2014 01:49 batsnacks wrote:On May 31 2014 01:47 slOosh wrote:On May 31 2014 01:46 batsnacks wrote:On May 31 2014 01:45 slOosh wrote:On May 31 2014 01:42 batsnacks wrote:On May 31 2014 01:40 slOosh wrote:On May 31 2014 01:38 batsnacks wrote:On May 31 2014 01:38 slOosh wrote:On May 31 2014 01:37 batsnacks wrote:
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Who should I vote? Who you think is scum. Who should I think is scum? In case you missed it On May 29 2014 15:57 slOosh wrote:I'm reasonably sure that Meapak_Ziphh is the scum in Cell A. I believe his strategy is to buddy up hard to one member to get support for lynching the other. Namely, buddying up to ritoky to lynch thrawn, now replaced with Odin. Take one of his starting posts: On May 28 2014 07:48 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Where are my cell mates?
I want to analyze the shit out of them This is quickly followed with a slew of On May 28 2014 07:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Holy mother of god I know who I'm voting for mayor
I also know who the scum is in my cell.
On May 28 2014 07:50 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I'm so hard right now On May 28 2014 07:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I'm posting this just so everyone knows where I'm at right now
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Ohhh.. Process of elimination.
Didn't realize he was in your cell.
I should probably look at that list.
Okay, so why is ritoky more town than thrawn? Has he even (thrawn) commented on anything yet?
And are you just basing that case on his mayor post?
Also, if you like ritoky for his post(if thats the reason why) what do you not like about hf?
George Washington himself personally told me ritoky was town. He said that we must rebel against King Thrawn the third.
King Thrawn has not commented on anything yet, he is crazy after all. The problem with HF is that he included kittens, a sure sign of weakness. Also I may still want to policy lynch him after golden sun, I haven't decided on that yet. + Show Spoiler +In all seriousness, I actually have a really good townread off of ritoky based on that post alone. It may change (I would be crushed if it had to) but that sort of entry into the thread is the antithesis of what I'd expect him to do as scum. If anyone has meta arguments against my gut (and George Washington), better tell me now. This post is roughly an hour or so after the game has started. Thrawn hasn't posted at this point, and ritoky's only post at this point is his platform post. The only reason why Meapak would act this way as town is if he had a rock solid conviction that ritoky was absolutely 100% town, going solely off his mayor platform post, so much so that no matter what thrawn posts, it wouldn't affect his read. This is absurd. There is no way anyone could have gotten such a strong read off 1 post. And here is the clincher: On May 28 2014 08:35 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 28 2014 08:31 ritoky wrote:Personally, I find it strange that holyflare has not commented at all on the strongest case against him as mayor to this point. It may just be that he has been floored by the light of freedom and cannot rebut the awesome truth of murrica. Unlike shiaopi's claims of me being lazy and disappearing from the thread claim, I have no intentions of going quietly into the night. Those of us who fight for freedom day in and day out realize the hard work that it entails. We pull ourselves up by our boot straps, put on our pants one leg at a time, and work to rid the world of all that opposes the power of freedom. We know freedom isn't free. (please click for reference) Furthermore the founding father of freedom, George Washington, has reminded me of 2 things: always trust in the power of freedom and murricans always are first. So to further my case for mayor, I propose that Cell A goes first. It also contains the most obvious scum currently in the case of Thrawn, who clearly hates freedom. The founders themselves approve of this plan. Elect Ritoky so that Cell A can go first<ron swanson flag.gif> On May 28 2014 08:46 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 28 2014 08:40 WaveofShadow wrote:
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Meh, not really. Mayoral role is mostly useless in this setup, but thanks for playing!
So, we lynching Plammar? No bbz we lynch thrawn after we elect ritoky. On May 29 2014 04:44 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
##Vote: Ritoky
I will be out for most of the day (PST) but I implore those who are on the fence about voting to at least elect someone who will put either cell A or cell B first.
That said you should obviously vote for freedom
<eagle / flag / america .gif> By lynching into Cell A first, there are absolutely no repercussions. He can say whatever he wants about the other cells, he could bus as hard as he wants, it doesn't matter if he doesn't actually flip since no one can call him out for it. He equates voting Cell A with freedom, which is actually a non reason. He clearly wants cell A to go first, but offers no analysis of why this would be the best course of action. Instead, all he sees is get Cell A first, lynch thrawn, who cares about the rest. This is indicative of scum mentality, as town would definitely consider how to order things even after they are gone, whereas scum can have their teammates figure out the leftovers. I believe ritoky has shown good analysis (when it came to actually deciding total cell order), and Odin's first few posts look like he is trying to figure out ritoky. Meapak has done neither, his filter is full of fluff and he is trying to get away with it with a D1 mislynch. ##Vote: Meapak_Ziphh That's the person YOU think is scum. What if the person I think is scum is different from the person you think is scum? Would you rather I voted for the person you think is scum or the person I think is scum? What?? You think MZ is scum. How would it make you feel if I voted ritoky or Odin? There's only two of them so I don't think it's unreasonable to ask how you feel about both options. I'd think you are wrong, and depending on your explanations for voting them I might consider you scum. Lets say I did like Palmar and didn't offer you any explanation. Would you consider me scum for that? It would add on to my considerations. How is any of this relevant for making your decision?
You've said a lot about MZ but very little about Odin and rit. Even your case on MZ reads like your just went item by item in his filter and ignored everyone else in his cell. Plus I just felt like having a dialog.
Anyway, while we're talking about Palmar, has his explanation-less voting been added to your considerations?
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If you made a list of everyone in each cell sorted by how scummy they are I would save it.
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On May 31 2014 02:20 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2014 02:15 Palmar wrote:On May 31 2014 02:04 IAmRobik wrote:On May 31 2014 01:57 Palmar wrote:
Btw if MZ flips town, it was ritoky. Odin is basically clear. I'm all aboard the lynch meapak train,but the fact that no one really wants to lynch anyone else concerns me. Either there's some megabus action going on, or meapak is town. yeah kinda what I was thinking. Not sure I want to do anything about it and MZ doing jack shit doesn't help clear him. So irresponsible this MZ, not putting in effort. I've been trying to solve my cell but everyone has been getting lost in the rest of the game. Not gonna lie, the downright refusal of some people to actually pay attention to what I've said about odin is a little frustrating which has probably decreased my posting but hey, you win some you lose some. Question for the thread, why has odin been so scarred of getting lynched this whole day and he's never had more than one vote on him.
That question at the end goes two ways. Why have you not been scarred of getting lynched this whole day when everyone has been piled on top of you the entire time? Is it enough just to see us proved wrong if you flip town?
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On May 31 2014 02:26 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2014 00:55 IAmRobik wrote:On May 30 2014 11:52 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 30 2014 11:20 mtamburini wrote:On May 30 2014 08:51 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 30 2014 08:46 mtamburini wrote:On May 28 2014 09:44 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 28 2014 09:41 mtamburini wrote:On May 28 2014 07:36 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 28 2014 07:30 mtamburini wrote:
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Why would RNG be stupid in this setup? Because it is. It's not even statistically significant in this setup. And it so worked in the other game I played (sarcasm) Why do you say its not significant? Guessing 1/3 in one cell is better then guessing possibly 5/33 in that other game. And guessing 1/2 is better than that so I dont see any justification in your counter point. Because 1/3 is still only 33%. I mean it works for my own cell because i have a fifty percent chance of hitting mafia in my own cell, but everyone else only thirty three percent. That may seem a lot, but its actually not. Id rather base my reads of mafia on plays and their reads rather than on some stupid statistical machine that can't read into what a person writes. In our DM games mafia is 25% or less of the town as we use a 4:1 ratio. Your point is invalid. Sure READS are apart of the game and Im thankful I am in a position to absorb as much information as I can (besides your group being in the last spot) I can explore other possibilities besides my RNG results. Yeah but we dont rng who we think is mafia, then lynch based on that, so your point is invalid. We base on reads. So start absorbing information, and start explorin other possibilities, because youve barely done anything this game. Your post is bs because you get a couple reads and then you use POE as a way to lynch people which is statistics being used. Your tunnel on me is bs Ive read through your filter and nothing really impressed me and you keep talking about me not being here and not posting and are ready to lynch me when it comes to my cell BUT when you talk about the people in your cell you refuse to give reads on them because they have not posted. If you do not understand statistics then do not comment on them. Ooo, you are really starting to piss me off, for one, im not tunneling you. Tbh, i could care less about you, what im trying to do is figure out the game. You know, you arent the only cell in this game. I have to get reads on other cells, and yours is the furthest from my mind right now. I am thr last cell, which means I'm going to be in this game longer than you. The rest of my cell (ehich i need to look on more now that they have posted) werent doing anything, and it was just me. I understand statistics perfectly. I actually got an A in that class, so back off. If my filter did nothing to impress you, then maybe it wasnt meant for you. I gave my reads on each cell, what I thought about each person, etc. so if you arent seeing anything in my filter, then you need to get you eyes checked. But im done talking to you. Once you actually do something better for this town, becausyour filter sure as hell doesnt impress me, then we will talk. That might be the most forced line of all time. The pseudo-joke, pseudo-anger makes me want to vomit. Forced line? I didn't even force it. Why would I have a reason to? Basically, tamburini is arguing with me for the sake of arguing. he has called me scum each forum game we have played on the basis of trying to get me lynched, ive been town each game, and this game is so different.
Why do you even care if he tries to get you lynched everyone is going to be dead by the time it's your cell's turn? What about what's happening right now in the next few hours?
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On May 31 2014 02:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2014 02:23 batsnacks wrote:On May 31 2014 02:20 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 31 2014 02:15 Palmar wrote:On May 31 2014 02:04 IAmRobik wrote:On May 31 2014 01:57 Palmar wrote:
Btw if MZ flips town, it was ritoky. Odin is basically clear. I'm all aboard the lynch meapak train,but the fact that no one really wants to lynch anyone else concerns me. Either there's some megabus action going on, or meapak is town. yeah kinda what I was thinking. Not sure I want to do anything about it and MZ doing jack shit doesn't help clear him. So irresponsible this MZ, not putting in effort. I've been trying to solve my cell but everyone has been getting lost in the rest of the game. Not gonna lie, the downright refusal of some people to actually pay attention to what I've said about odin is a little frustrating which has probably decreased my posting but hey, you win some you lose some. Question for the thread, why has odin been so scarred of getting lynched this whole day and he's never had more than one vote on him. That question at the end goes two ways. Why have you not been scarred of getting lynched this whole day when everyone has been piled on top of you the entire time? Is it enough just to see us proved wrong if you flip town? I'm never scarred of getting lynched as town, go read my town games where I get lynched, if people want me dead my last act is to go quietly and not shit up the thread and provide reads. I've basically laid it all out why I think odin is scum but people are either still hung up on the bullshit "buddy" with rit or are just not reading the thread. And yeah not gonna lie, I do get immense pleasure out of proving people wrong with my flip.
Odin responded to everything you laid out. Considering no one is voting him and everyone wants to vote you, his responses must have been acceptable even with the outbursts and formatting all of his posts poorly.
I see three possible universes:
1. You are mafia and every mafia member is bussing you simultaneously
2. You are town, Odin is mafia, and everyone is stupid
3. Ritoky is mafia and the only person to ever suspect him was Odin
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On May 31 2014 02:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2014 02:40 batsnacks wrote:On May 31 2014 02:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 31 2014 02:23 batsnacks wrote:On May 31 2014 02:20 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 31 2014 02:15 Palmar wrote:On May 31 2014 02:04 IAmRobik wrote:On May 31 2014 01:57 Palmar wrote:
Btw if MZ flips town, it was ritoky. Odin is basically clear. I'm all aboard the lynch meapak train,but the fact that no one really wants to lynch anyone else concerns me. Either there's some megabus action going on, or meapak is town. yeah kinda what I was thinking. Not sure I want to do anything about it and MZ doing jack shit doesn't help clear him. So irresponsible this MZ, not putting in effort. I've been trying to solve my cell but everyone has been getting lost in the rest of the game. Not gonna lie, the downright refusal of some people to actually pay attention to what I've said about odin is a little frustrating which has probably decreased my posting but hey, you win some you lose some. Question for the thread, why has odin been so scarred of getting lynched this whole day and he's never had more than one vote on him. That question at the end goes two ways. Why have you not been scarred of getting lynched this whole day when everyone has been piled on top of you the entire time? Is it enough just to see us proved wrong if you flip town? I'm never scarred of getting lynched as town, go read my town games where I get lynched, if people want me dead my last act is to go quietly and not shit up the thread and provide reads. I've basically laid it all out why I think odin is scum but people are either still hung up on the bullshit "buddy" with rit or are just not reading the thread. And yeah not gonna lie, I do get immense pleasure out of proving people wrong with my flip. Odin responded to everything you laid out. Considering no one is voting him and everyone wants to vote you, his responses must have been acceptable even with the outbursts and formatting all of his posts poorly. I see three possible universes: 1. You are mafia and every mafia member is bussing you simultaneously 2. You are town, Odin is mafia, and everyone is stupid 3. Ritoky is mafia and the only person to ever suspect him was Odin Odin's responses have been terrible. But apparently, for this thread the content doesn't matter, only that he made a big post with red text to point by point "rebut" what was said against him. Odin can't really answer my core charge that he was just waiting to see which person the thread would pick as scum but he's made enough fluff posts for people to not realize that. I suppose you're going with universe 1?
Think about it from my perspective. If Odin is mafia it means literally everyone has been wrong, except you, ever since Odin's very first post. If Odin is town, it means just about everyone was right. What would you do if you were me? I don't like the idea of every person voting for the same guy because it's going to hurt voting analysis later but I don't feel like I logically have any other option.
Maybe Odin did just point by point rebuke what was said about him. Maybe you could point by point rebuke his point by point rebuke. If it worked for Odin, maybe it would work for you. I don't think saying more is going to hurt your chances at this point.
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On May 31 2014 03:03 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2014 02:57 batsnacks wrote:On May 31 2014 02:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 31 2014 02:40 batsnacks wrote:On May 31 2014 02:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 31 2014 02:23 batsnacks wrote:On May 31 2014 02:20 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 31 2014 02:15 Palmar wrote:On May 31 2014 02:04 IAmRobik wrote:On May 31 2014 01:57 Palmar wrote:
Btw if MZ flips town, it was ritoky. Odin is basically clear. I'm all aboard the lynch meapak train,but the fact that no one really wants to lynch anyone else concerns me. Either there's some megabus action going on, or meapak is town. yeah kinda what I was thinking. Not sure I want to do anything about it and MZ doing jack shit doesn't help clear him. So irresponsible this MZ, not putting in effort. I've been trying to solve my cell but everyone has been getting lost in the rest of the game. Not gonna lie, the downright refusal of some people to actually pay attention to what I've said about odin is a little frustrating which has probably decreased my posting but hey, you win some you lose some. Question for the thread, why has odin been so scarred of getting lynched this whole day and he's never had more than one vote on him. That question at the end goes two ways. Why have you not been scarred of getting lynched this whole day when everyone has been piled on top of you the entire time? Is it enough just to see us proved wrong if you flip town? I'm never scarred of getting lynched as town, go read my town games where I get lynched, if people want me dead my last act is to go quietly and not shit up the thread and provide reads. I've basically laid it all out why I think odin is scum but people are either still hung up on the bullshit "buddy" with rit or are just not reading the thread. And yeah not gonna lie, I do get immense pleasure out of proving people wrong with my flip. Odin responded to everything you laid out. Considering no one is voting him and everyone wants to vote you, his responses must have been acceptable even with the outbursts and formatting all of his posts poorly. I see three possible universes: 1. You are mafia and every mafia member is bussing you simultaneously 2. You are town, Odin is mafia, and everyone is stupid 3. Ritoky is mafia and the only person to ever suspect him was Odin Odin's responses have been terrible. But apparently, for this thread the content doesn't matter, only that he made a big post with red text to point by point "rebut" what was said against him. Odin can't really answer my core charge that he was just waiting to see which person the thread would pick as scum but he's made enough fluff posts for people to not realize that. I suppose you're going with universe 1? Think about it from my perspective. If Odin is mafia it means literally everyone has been wrong, except you, ever since Odin's very first post. If Odin is town, it means just about everyone was right. What would you do if you were me? I don't like the idea of every person voting for the same guy because it's going to hurt voting analysis later but I don't feel like I logically have any other option. Maybe Odin did just point by point rebuke what was said about him. Maybe you could point by point rebuke his point by point rebuke. If it worked for Odin, maybe it would work for you. I don't think saying more is going to hurt your chances at this point. Nah I get where you're coming from which is frustrating but nobody wants to be the only person defending someone. As for posting a rebuttal to his rebuttal I feel like that's pointless. I've laid my case out a half a dozen times in my filter and explained why odin is scum. If people didn't listen then, I doubt they'll listen now so I'll let my flip do the talking.
Okay consider this then.
If you are mafia, and every other mafia member is busing you, I wouldn't expect you to be panicked when lots of people vote you because everything is going according to plan. It's like the joker says no one panics when everything is going according to plan.
If you were town, I would expect you to panic if everyone started voting you and you didn't know why. As far as you know, you've defended yourself as best you could, yet people are still voting you over the other guy.
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On May 31 2014 03:08 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2014 03:06 batsnacks wrote:On May 31 2014 03:03 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 31 2014 02:57 batsnacks wrote:On May 31 2014 02:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 31 2014 02:40 batsnacks wrote:On May 31 2014 02:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 31 2014 02:23 batsnacks wrote:On May 31 2014 02:20 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 31 2014 02:15 Palmar wrote:
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yeah kinda what I was thinking. Not sure I want to do anything about it and MZ doing jack shit doesn't help clear him.
So irresponsible this MZ, not putting in effort. I've been trying to solve my cell but everyone has been getting lost in the rest of the game. Not gonna lie, the downright refusal of some people to actually pay attention to what I've said about odin is a little frustrating which has probably decreased my posting but hey, you win some you lose some. Question for the thread, why has odin been so scarred of getting lynched this whole day and he's never had more than one vote on him. That question at the end goes two ways. Why have you not been scarred of getting lynched this whole day when everyone has been piled on top of you the entire time? Is it enough just to see us proved wrong if you flip town? I'm never scarred of getting lynched as town, go read my town games where I get lynched, if people want me dead my last act is to go quietly and not shit up the thread and provide reads. I've basically laid it all out why I think odin is scum but people are either still hung up on the bullshit "buddy" with rit or are just not reading the thread. And yeah not gonna lie, I do get immense pleasure out of proving people wrong with my flip. Odin responded to everything you laid out. Considering no one is voting him and everyone wants to vote you, his responses must have been acceptable even with the outbursts and formatting all of his posts poorly. I see three possible universes: 1. You are mafia and every mafia member is bussing you simultaneously 2. You are town, Odin is mafia, and everyone is stupid 3. Ritoky is mafia and the only person to ever suspect him was Odin Odin's responses have been terrible. But apparently, for this thread the content doesn't matter, only that he made a big post with red text to point by point "rebut" what was said against him. Odin can't really answer my core charge that he was just waiting to see which person the thread would pick as scum but he's made enough fluff posts for people to not realize that. I suppose you're going with universe 1? Think about it from my perspective. If Odin is mafia it means literally everyone has been wrong, except you, ever since Odin's very first post. If Odin is town, it means just about everyone was right. What would you do if you were me? I don't like the idea of every person voting for the same guy because it's going to hurt voting analysis later but I don't feel like I logically have any other option. Maybe Odin did just point by point rebuke what was said about him. Maybe you could point by point rebuke his point by point rebuke. If it worked for Odin, maybe it would work for you. I don't think saying more is going to hurt your chances at this point. Nah I get where you're coming from which is frustrating but nobody wants to be the only person defending someone. As for posting a rebuttal to his rebuttal I feel like that's pointless. I've laid my case out a half a dozen times in my filter and explained why odin is scum. If people didn't listen then, I doubt they'll listen now so I'll let my flip do the talking. Okay consider this then. If you are mafia, and every other mafia member is busing you, I wouldn't expect you to be panicked when lots of people vote you because everything is going according to plan. It's like the joker says no one panics when everything is going according to plan. If you were town, I would expect you to panic if everyone started voting you and you didn't know why. As far as you know, you've defended yourself as best you could, yet people are still voting you over the other guy. Who is mafia with meapak?
If Cell C was today and the deadline was now I'd be voting you.
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On May 31 2014 03:26 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2014 03:15 batsnacks wrote:On May 31 2014 03:08 IAmRobik wrote:On May 31 2014 03:06 batsnacks wrote:On May 31 2014 03:03 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 31 2014 02:57 batsnacks wrote:On May 31 2014 02:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 31 2014 02:40 batsnacks wrote:On May 31 2014 02:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 31 2014 02:23 batsnacks wrote:
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That question at the end goes two ways. Why have you not been scarred of getting lynched this whole day when everyone has been piled on top of you the entire time? Is it enough just to see us proved wrong if you flip town? I'm never scarred of getting lynched as town, go read my town games where I get lynched, if people want me dead my last act is to go quietly and not shit up the thread and provide reads. I've basically laid it all out why I think odin is scum but people are either still hung up on the bullshit "buddy" with rit or are just not reading the thread. And yeah not gonna lie, I do get immense pleasure out of proving people wrong with my flip. Odin responded to everything you laid out. Considering no one is voting him and everyone wants to vote you, his responses must have been acceptable even with the outbursts and formatting all of his posts poorly. I see three possible universes: 1. You are mafia and every mafia member is bussing you simultaneously 2. You are town, Odin is mafia, and everyone is stupid 3. Ritoky is mafia and the only person to ever suspect him was Odin Odin's responses have been terrible. But apparently, for this thread the content doesn't matter, only that he made a big post with red text to point by point "rebut" what was said against him. Odin can't really answer my core charge that he was just waiting to see which person the thread would pick as scum but he's made enough fluff posts for people to not realize that. I suppose you're going with universe 1? Think about it from my perspective. If Odin is mafia it means literally everyone has been wrong, except you, ever since Odin's very first post. If Odin is town, it means just about everyone was right. What would you do if you were me? I don't like the idea of every person voting for the same guy because it's going to hurt voting analysis later but I don't feel like I logically have any other option. Maybe Odin did just point by point rebuke what was said about him. Maybe you could point by point rebuke his point by point rebuke. If it worked for Odin, maybe it would work for you. I don't think saying more is going to hurt your chances at this point. Nah I get where you're coming from which is frustrating but nobody wants to be the only person defending someone. As for posting a rebuttal to his rebuttal I feel like that's pointless. I've laid my case out a half a dozen times in my filter and explained why odin is scum. If people didn't listen then, I doubt they'll listen now so I'll let my flip do the talking. Okay consider this then. If you are mafia, and every other mafia member is busing you, I wouldn't expect you to be panicked when lots of people vote you because everything is going according to plan. It's like the joker says no one panics when everything is going according to plan. If you were town, I would expect you to panic if everyone started voting you and you didn't know why. As far as you know, you've defended yourself as best you could, yet people are still voting you over the other guy. Who is mafia with meapak? If Cell C was today and the deadline was now I'd be voting you. That's the wrong answer on so many levels. 1) I'm town 2) you just gave 1 name 3) The reason I asked the question was to see if you would list the people who already have their vote on him. The premise of what you said had to do with the fact that if meapak is mafia, he's not worried cause his mafia teammates are already voting for him. #getwreckt
The only groups I've given enough thought to answer that are A and C because those are the only groups I will be alive to vote for. You got the right answer.
Thinking about it now though, if I was alive to vote for Cell B I would vote Palmar no matter who else was in the group.
If you want reads you'll have to ask me more specific questions than that, or just read my filter, I've been giving them out as they come.
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On May 31 2014 03:55 IAmRobik wrote:
So like, I'm town and the fact that both people in my cell are voting for meapak should scare the shit out of everyone and everyone should prolly switch off.
kthx
Two people in Cell D are voting MZ. Does that scare the shit out of you too?
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On May 31 2014 04:11 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2014 04:04 batsnacks wrote:On May 31 2014 03:55 IAmRobik wrote:
So like, I'm town and the fact that both people in my cell are voting for meapak should scare the shit out of everyone and everyone should prolly switch off.
kthx Two people in Cell D are voting meapak. Does that scare the shit out of you too? I am town. I KNOW one of you two is mafia. I would definitely be weirded the fuck out if all 3 of Cell D were voting meapak. But there's enough to be weirded out by knowing that at least one mafia is pushing for a lynch of meapak
Everyone is town. You keep saying you're town like it means something. It doesn't mean anything.
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On May 31 2014 04:21 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2014 04:19 batsnacks wrote:On May 31 2014 04:11 IAmRobik wrote:On May 31 2014 04:04 batsnacks wrote:On May 31 2014 03:55 IAmRobik wrote:
So like, I'm town and the fact that both people in my cell are voting for meapak should scare the shit out of everyone and everyone should prolly switch off.
kthx Two people in Cell D are voting meapak. Does that scare the shit out of you too? I am town. I KNOW one of you two is mafia. I would definitely be weirded the fuck out if all 3 of Cell D were voting meapak. But there's enough to be weirded out by knowing that at least one mafia is pushing for a lynch of meapak Everyone is town. You keep saying you're town like it means something. It doesn't mean anything. That's not true. There are only 10 of us. We need to stick together.
Nice checkmate. I guess I walk away with my head down now.
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Considering votes right now
If ritoky is mafia, 0 people in their cell are right.
If MZ is mafia, 1 person in their cell is right.
If Odin is mafia, 2 people in their cell are right.
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On May 31 2014 04:37 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2014 04:32 batsnacks wrote:
Considering votes right now
If ritoky is mafia, 0 people in their cell are right.
If MZ is mafia, 1 person in their cell is right.
If Odin is mafia, 2 people in their cell are right. Please enlighten me what you wish to garner from this?
I think it says a lot. If ritoky is mafia, neither townie in his cell suspected him. If Odin is mafia, both town players in his cell suspected him. If MZ is mafia, 1 town member in his cell suspected him.
Speculating: What do you think would happen the most often if Cell Mafia were played 1,000,000 times? Zero townies being right about their cell, one townie being right about their cell, or both townies being right about their cell?
Again, pure speculation, I think most of time one townie would be right.
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On May 31 2014 04:49 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2014 04:44 batsnacks wrote:On May 31 2014 04:37 IAmRobik wrote:On May 31 2014 04:32 batsnacks wrote:
Considering votes right now
If ritoky is mafia, 0 people in their cell are right.
If MZ is mafia, 1 person in their cell is right.
If Odin is mafia, 2 people in their cell are right. Please enlighten me what you wish to garner from this? I think it says a lot. If ritoky is mafia, neither townie in his cell suspected him. If Odin is mafia, both town players in his cell suspected him. If MZ is mafia, 1 town member in his cell suspected him. Speculating: What do you think would happen the most often if Cell Mafia were played 1,000,000 times? Zero townies being right about their cell, one townie being right about their cell, or both townies being right about their cell? Again, pure speculation, I think most of time one townie would be right. So in other words this entire post doesn't mean anything at all. Thanks. The only switch I would everm dream of considering right now would be onto ritoky. I want the power players in this game to really consider what that means. If I didn't know that MZ fights his lynch as scum I would think ritoky actually might have a. Higher chance to flip eyed because he simply fucked off for ages and let shit go with the votes on their wrong person. I think if it come down to ritoky and we were wrong right now, we're all fucking stupid and I absolutely don't want o be responsible for that so we're going to sit down and figure this shit out. I want to be right.
I think it would be better for you to say "this entire post doesn't mean anything at all to me" because you can only speak for yourself.
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On May 31 2014 04:57 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2014 04:56 batsnacks wrote:On May 31 2014 04:49 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 31 2014 04:44 batsnacks wrote:On May 31 2014 04:37 IAmRobik wrote:On May 31 2014 04:32 batsnacks wrote:
Considering votes right now
If ritoky is mafia, 0 people in their cell are right.
If MZ is mafia, 1 person in their cell is right.
If Odin is mafia, 2 people in their cell are right. Please enlighten me what you wish to garner from this? I think it says a lot. If ritoky is mafia, neither townie in his cell suspected him. If Odin is mafia, both town players in his cell suspected him. If MZ is mafia, 1 town member in his cell suspected him. Speculating: What do you think would happen the most often if Cell Mafia were played 1,000,000 times? Zero townies being right about their cell, one townie being right about their cell, or both townies being right about their cell? Again, pure speculation, I think most of time one townie would be right. So in other words this entire post doesn't mean anything at all. Thanks. The only switch I would everm dream of considering right now would be onto ritoky. I want the power players in this game to really consider what that means. If I didn't know that MZ fights his lynch as scum I would think ritoky actually might have a. Higher chance to flip eyed because he simply fucked off for ages and let shit go with the votes on their wrong person. I think if it come down to ritoky and we were wrong right now, we're all fucking stupid and I absolutely don't want o be responsible for that so we're going to sit down and figure this shit out. I want to be right. I think it would be better for you to say "this entire post doesn't mean anything at all to me" because you can only speak for yourself. Thanks, TL New Behaviour Rules Post for taking human form and playing this game with us! (Or being some sort of pre-programmed mafia-playig script) layabout let's chat. What does it mean if we're currently wrong about MZ?
That post you just said "doesn't mean anything at all" was about what it means if we're currently wrong, or currently right, about MZ.
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On May 31 2014 05:30 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2014 05:27 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 31 2014 05:26 IAmRobik wrote:On May 31 2014 05:18 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 31 2014 05:16 IAmRobik wrote:On May 31 2014 05:13 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 31 2014 05:11 IAmRobik wrote:On May 31 2014 05:07 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On May 31 2014 05:02 IAmRobik wrote:On May 31 2014 04:46 WaveofShadow wrote:
Poofter Where in the actual fuck are you?
I swear I'm this fuckinga close to changing my mind and actually believing palmar is town. (Not really but still)
As for MZ, he is a fighter. I've seen him play like this before going down, and he is playing well. It's unfortunate that ritoky right now is playing like shit and making our decision difficult.
What's with all of this flip flop bullshit? Robik how in the actual fuck can you be voting for Odin? I really really wanted to vote for MZ, but that would mean that the bus in my group is real and I don't want to believe that scum would want to bus a d1 lynch. As for Ritoky, I was his coach in his newbie game. While he says he's been playing online mafia for 5+ years, nothing that he did in that newbie game would lead me to believe that he would man up and take the reigns and try to be town mayor. The fact that he did that, given my perception that he would be timid as town, makes me think that he is town BECAUSE I don't think that a timid town instantly turns into an outspoken mafia. this leads odin to being the scum in cell A. is there any proof behind this or do you just have him by poe? Absolutely not. I think that all of the people in cell A have good things going for them and MZ is probably the scummiest of the lot.
The fact that Odin seems to have felt safe and hasn't been back to the thread makes me lean scummier though. Like, the dude is in the first lynch group. He has to put in a solid 72 hours of work including the mayor shit (unless that was also 48hrs -- which would be lolworthy long), and he's not willing to be around for the last half of the last day that he can possibly contribute. DAFUQ is that bullshit. Oh so you mean like ritoky who afked for the better part of the post-mayoral election? And I absolutely did not clear odin for his drunk shit. Whatever, I concede that it may be Rikoty, but like, I don't like MZ for scum anymore. I'm putting my ass on the line here. Like if we don't lynch MZ and it's a miss, I feel like I'm gonna be facing the wrath of 7 hells tomorrow. This ALSO makes no sense because current thread consensus is STILL towards MZ being scum so if you're wrong, then a whole shit ton of us are wrong---why would we single you out or blame you specifically? Your thinking in this game is completely wonky and I don't like it one bit. Cause I'm one of the biggest proponents for not lynching MZ right now. If we don't lynch him and lynch rikoty or odin instead and the person we lynch comes back town, there will be backlash at me for pushing away from MZ who could have been maf. I don't think this logic is that difficult to follow. Not sure if your brain is fried or you're trying to misconstrue what I'm saying. wtf? Oh nvm you said if we 'don't lynch MZ and it's a miss. Fine but the rest of what I have said still stands. Your first concern shouldn't be 'the rest of the thread oh noes.' My main concern is lynching the right person. Based off of the fact that I'm town and two people in my cell are voting MZ, that makes me believe that he's not the right lynch. I don't know which one of odin/ritoky it is, but I lean Odin for the aforementioned reasons. It could be Ritoky though, and if I can vote to save MZ right now, I would vote Ritoky over Odin
I thought you thought Odin was the scummier of the two? You said in Ritoky's newbie game you coached him, he was timid, therefor you don't believe he would be so outspoken as to run for mayor as mafia. You commented about how Odin disappearing from the thread as soon as he was clear with most people was scummy. So... why would you vote Ritoky over Odin now?
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Am I reading that sentence wrong or something cause in the same post you say you lean Odin for the aforementioned reasons.
Which is it this:
I lean Odin for the aforementioned reasons
Or this:
if I can vote to save MZ right now, I would vote Ritoky over Odin
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On May 31 2014 05:49 IAmRobik wrote:
Did I not words?
I would vote Odin over Ritoky, but if it were between MZ and Ritoky, I would vote Ritoky to save MZ.
Okay what about if it could be any of the three and your vote was the only one that mattered?
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Robik if I had been voting ritoky yesterday, you would have voted MZ, right?
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Holyflare who's mafia in Cell D and E?
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You don't have to draw up a big case or whatever I've read the thread I already know what people have been doing. Just two names is fine.
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I can't follow what you guys are talking about.
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I agree with mtamburini about Holyflare's read on bunnies. I think bunnies is mafia in Cell E.
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Holyflare if it didn't need to be done, what was the motivation for doing it? I don't think town gains anything from her going tryhard on filtering people at the end of the day when 1 person already has the overwhelming majority of votes and no one is showing any signs of switching.
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I think she went tryhard at the end of the day just to look pro town while finishing MZ. The things she chooses to take issue with are really weak a lot of the time, like recent example:
On May 31 2014 07:21 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2014 07:02 mtamburini wrote:
How about those reads you have bunnies? How well did they serve you this round? Probably shouldve RNG'd it at least I know I had a 50% chance of being right now that MZ flipped town.
## STATS I think my reads are pretty good. If you look at my analysis in each of the three, you can understand where my head is at. I was obviously wrong, but that still doesnt mean we should have rngd the lynch. What if you rngd and landed on MZ? Your rng would have been wrong. Just because you initially rngd the possible mafia, that doesnt make you right. That makes you 50% likely to be right, now that MZ flipped town.
Her filter dives at the end of day 1 were just repeats of what everyone else was saying at the beginning of the day.
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On June 01 2014 05:45 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2014 05:39 batsnacks wrote:I think she went tryhard at the end of the day just to look pro town while finishing MZ. The things she chooses to take issue with are really weak a lot of the time, like recent example: On May 31 2014 07:21 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 31 2014 07:02 mtamburini wrote:
How about those reads you have bunnies? How well did they serve you this round? Probably shouldve RNG'd it at least I know I had a 50% chance of being right now that MZ flipped town.
## STATS I think my reads are pretty good. If you look at my analysis in each of the three, you can understand where my head is at. I was obviously wrong, but that still doesnt mean we should have rngd the lynch. What if you rngd and landed on MZ? Your rng would have been wrong. Just because you initially rngd the possible mafia, that doesnt make you right. That makes you 50% likely to be right, now that MZ flipped town. Her filter dives at the end of day 1 were just repeats of what everyone else was saying at the beginning of the day. She said every game tambo tries to get her lynched and every game she is town. That would annoy the shit out of me and i would be grated everytime that person posted something accusing me. Re:steveling golden sun You still haven't clarified why her putting in a lot of effort to go through filters and say what's already been said (an inevitability of going through a scrutinised filter) makes her mafia over the points i raised on mderg or the lack of anything from layabout.
If you're talking about your conversation with mderg today, I don't think you have anything on him. He said he had a feeling about Palmar being town and I think you tried to create something out of that.
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I've already read everyone's filter. My conclusion is that bunnies is mafia in Cell E. I understand the points you are trying to make about mderg but bunnies is still scummier to me.
Lets talk about Cell D. You said you honestly have no clue. If Cell D were today and the deadline was now, who would you vote?
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On June 01 2014 07:04 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2014 06:17 batsnacks wrote:
I've already read everyone's filter. My conclusion is that bunnies is mafia in Cell E. I understand the points you are trying to make about mderg but bunnies is still scummier to me.
Lets talk about Cell D. You said you honestly have no clue. If Cell D were today and the deadline was now, who would you vote? Fortunately I'm in a spot where i don't have to do that. So you say bunnies is mafia but only give reasons why she is likely town. So what about layabout? Sloosh, while i think he's scum that doesn't stop me arguing over points using logic that aren't mathematically sound when the person pushing it says they are.
Bolded part are all your words, not mine. Don't give me this crap like "if you can really say bunnies is mafia over mderg and layabout you honestly have no concept of what's going on in this game at all." That's the rhetorical equivalent of you mashing your keyboard because someone disagreed with you. Have a little more respect for people's opinions and why they are expressing them. No one is going to listen to you if you just shit on every opinion that's different from yours. Do you think me calling bunnies scum helps me or scum team at all? It doesn't. I shared that information with you because you told me who you thought was scum. I think bunnies is mafia because even though she says a lot of STUFF, most of the stuff she says is weak, unnecessary, and doesn't move town forward in any positive direction.
And why wouldn't you tell me who you think mafia is in group D? Why is it fortunate that you're in a spot where you "don't have to?" I want to compare my reads with yours.
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On June 01 2014 10:47 slOosh wrote:
Seems like he doesn't want to engage with reads either because he is scum and doesn't want to talk reads or he firmly believes robik is scum.
Is Robik scum?
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I would rather have your gut feeling of yes/no in this moment. It's easy to argue anything if there's time to prepare.
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ebwop: I know that every town member, by now, has one town member in each group they think is the scummiest. I would hope so at least if everyone has been keeping up with the thread. I'm afraid some people aren't sharing those insights because they are afraid they will get punished for it because they didn't offer enough hard reasoning.
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ebwop2: It sounds awkward saying "town member" twice I hope everyone understands what I meant with that first sentence.
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Robik please answer:
If I had been voting ritoky yesterday, you would have voted MZ, right?
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Who do you think is mafia in D and E?
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On June 01 2014 23:22 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2014 22:56 mtamburini wrote:
Bunnies you think HF is town I think Robik is town. What's your opinion on bats + Show Spoiler +
Just semi skimming his filter (because I have work in thirty mins and woke up late) i actually like him/ not like him
There's some points that actually make sense.
So when he was running for mayor, he didn't want ritoky's cell to go first due to he thought there was too much momentum going against odin right now, i agree with this, but im not sure if we have same reasons.
If odin was mafia, bat could have proposed cell A going differently because he wanted to get pressure off of his mafia partner, and give him more time to seem townie.
If ritoky was mafia, batsnacks as town would have done town a favor.
So two scenerios i see there.
I didnt like how he placed his cell first, when i feel like there was less info on them as well.
Now, the thing i dont like about you asking this, is just because you are viewing robik as town, doesnt mean i am, so why focus on batsnacks? Why not ask for my read on robik, too?
And you never mentioned your read on holyflare, so why not ask what my read is on him? Or give your own read?
What's your view on holyflare, robik, and bat?
This is the primary reason I wanted my cell to go first on day 1:
On May 29 2014 05:11 batsnacks wrote:
We've got less that 2 hours.
Just consider this: What is the advantage of lynching the mayor's group first?
Lets assume that most people vote for the mayor because they believe he/she is town. If the mayor is in the cell to be lynched on day 1, that means that the first group up for lynch already has one person that the majority read as town. This gives town a starting advantage. If town can get the first victory, that is a lot of pressure on mafia. I would argue town winning day 1 is more important than town winning any other day, except for LYLO. Building momentum is important. Going into day 1 with a town read (the mayor) is an advantage. Consider this.
I still believe it is advantageous for town if the mayor's group is first.
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On June 02 2014 01:28 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2014 00:12 mtamburini wrote:On June 01 2014 23:22 27ninjabunnies wrote:On June 01 2014 22:56 mtamburini wrote:
Bunnies you think HF is town I think Robik is town. What's your opinion on bats Just semi skimming his filter (because I have work in thirty mins and woke up late) i actually like him/ not like him There's some points that actually make sense. So when he was running for mayor, he didn't want ritoky's cell to go first due to he thought there was too much momentum going against odin right now, i agree with this, but im not sure if we have same reasons. If odin was mafia, bat could have proposed cell A going differently because he wanted to get pressure off of his mafia partner, and give him more time to seem townie. If ritoky was mafia, batsnacks as town would have done town a favor. So two scenerios i see there. I didnt like how he placed his cell first, when i feel like there was less info on them as well. Now, the thing i dont like about you asking this, is just because you are viewing robik as town, doesnt mean i am, so why focus on batsnacks? Why not ask for my read on robik, too? And you never mentioned your read on holyflare, so why not ask what my read is on him? Or give your own read? What's your view on holyflare, robik, and bat? If I can trust you and you can trust me on the town read we have on one person in the cell it's simply Poe. I do feel that if you are town you've allowed HF to pocket you due to the fact of my excessive tunnel of you which makes me think he is more scum then bat. The only thing you've really done this entire game is tunnel bunnies for similar reactions that she had in golden sun (which again you did really not much in) so yes, I told you to stop tunneling on: A) a person who i think is town B) someone who is in the last cell It's my cell today and only 1/3 (2 at a stretch) people are trying to solve the game in this cell while everybody else twiddles their thumbs or afk's. You need to be commenting on why you think people other than bunnies are mafia because if "hf is pocketing bunnies" like you imply then you've spent the entirety of your filter tunneling someone who is town and wasting time.
I'm getting tired of these dumb passive aggressive comments you make all the time. Half of your 50 page filter is probably bitching about how you're the only person trying.
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Most of your filter is about activity. Everything you said in that post above me is about activity. All of your logic seems to stem from how active people are playing and you don't consider anything else. If someone is active, then by your logic they are automatically more townie than someone who is playing less active. You have the highest activity in this game, therefore you are the towniest person in this game, by your logic.
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##vote IAmRobik
I will unvote if Robik tells me who he thinks is mafia in D and E.
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I'm mostly just curious if I'm right about D and E.
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##unvote
I have this awful feeling that Palmar is town and Holyflare, sloOsh, and 27ninjabunnies are all mafia.
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I've always considered "end the game now pls it's over anyway" comments really scummy.
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On June 02 2014 03:32 Palmar wrote:
Don't really care what you've always considered
You cared enough to comment.
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On June 02 2014 03:45 Holyflare wrote:
Yeh well that's not a problem when the the first townie couldn't be bothered to respond to anything, i don't care about ending this game sooner, and town should absolutely lynch you regardless of alignment
I don't agree with that last part.
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On June 02 2014 03:51 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2014 03:49 batsnacks wrote:On June 02 2014 03:45 Holyflare wrote:
Yeh well that's not a problem when the the first townie couldn't be bothered to respond to anything, i don't care about ending this game sooner, and town should absolutely lynch you regardless of alignment I don't agree with that last part. Don't really care.
Cared enough to comment.
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On June 02 2014 03:53 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2014 03:52 batsnacks wrote:On June 02 2014 03:51 Holyflare wrote:On June 02 2014 03:49 batsnacks wrote:On June 02 2014 03:45 Holyflare wrote:
Yeh well that's not a problem when the the first townie couldn't be bothered to respond to anything, i don't care about ending this game sooner, and town should absolutely lynch you regardless of alignment I don't agree with that last part. Don't really care. Cared enough to comment. No i cared enough to inform you that i don't value your opinion on this matter.
"i cared" - Holyflare
Also you say if I'm mafia I should vote you. You say if I'm town I should vote you.
Right now I just want to vote the people that would make me the maddest if they won as mafia. That would be you, Palmar, sloosh, and bunnies.
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No 4/4 of my targets are based on me not wanting them to win as mafia.
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On June 02 2014 04:02 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2014 04:02 batsnacks wrote:
No 4/4 of my targets are based on me not wanting them to win as mafia. And for what reason do you not want sloosh /palmar to not win as mafia?
Sloosh did the same thing two days in a row; ask for reads, post 1 big case with vote, and chill. Ff what he's doing is working why change it? He wins easy win as mafia. Palmar just irritates me, being irritating is anti town because it causes chaos. That's all I've got.
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Basically I don't want mafia to win if they have it too easy, or they try too hard and get some epic dominating victory. Either scenario bothers me.
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Okay Robik said I was scummy but didn't vote me before he allegedly left for the day. Are you waiting for me to vote Robik?
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I agree with Palmar.
##vote Holyflare
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On June 02 2014 05:53 Holyflare wrote:
##unvote
##vote batsnacks
Not saying shit about 2 leading wagons. Only questions today to solve our alignments were useless ones already answered. Switch gives info for you guys later.
I'm surprised you didn't vote for yourself.
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On June 02 2014 05:54 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2014 05:52 27ninjabunnies wrote:On June 02 2014 05:48 layabout wrote:
@odin It's a bit of a gut feeling, i am pretty confident about IAmRobik being town and i have a felling of liking batsnacks.
nearly finished going over hf though
My other issue this game is that Palmar is playing just like he does when he is mafia but i keep finding myself agreeing with him and it's making me uncertain about why i am thinking things. Odin isnt even in this game anymor.e Is that a necessary thing to post?pretty sure since obi has been asking me questions you would be able to look past and ignore that
Yeah I find myself wondering that about a lot of bunnies' posts.
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On June 02 2014 05:57 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2014 05:56 batsnacks wrote:On June 02 2014 05:54 layabout wrote:On June 02 2014 05:52 27ninjabunnies wrote:On June 02 2014 05:48 layabout wrote:
@odin It's a bit of a gut feeling, i am pretty confident about IAmRobik being town and i have a felling of liking batsnacks.
nearly finished going over hf though
My other issue this game is that Palmar is playing just like he does when he is mafia but i keep finding myself agreeing with him and it's making me uncertain about why i am thinking things. Odin isnt even in this game anymor.e Is that a necessary thing to post?pretty sure since obi has been asking me questions you would be able to look past and ignore that Yeah I find myself wondering that about a lot of bunnies' posts. Okay, i get that post, but what other posts are you talking about?
All of your filter dives at the end of day 1, all of your arguments with mtamburini about rng, all the talk about how busy you are and stuff going on outside the game.
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On June 02 2014 06:03 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2014 06:02 batsnacks wrote:On June 02 2014 05:57 27ninjabunnies wrote:On June 02 2014 05:56 batsnacks wrote:On June 02 2014 05:54 layabout wrote:On June 02 2014 05:52 27ninjabunnies wrote:On June 02 2014 05:48 layabout wrote:
@odin It's a bit of a gut feeling, i am pretty confident about IAmRobik being town and i have a felling of liking batsnacks.
nearly finished going over hf though
My other issue this game is that Palmar is playing just like he does when he is mafia but i keep finding myself agreeing with him and it's making me uncertain about why i am thinking things. Odin isnt even in this game anymor.e Is that a necessary thing to post?pretty sure since obi has been asking me questions you would be able to look past and ignore that Yeah I find myself wondering that about a lot of bunnies' posts. Okay, i get that post, but what other posts are you talking about? All of your filter dives at the end of day 1, all of your arguments with mtamburini about rng, all the talk about how busy you are and stuff going on outside the game. So, i cant make small talk in game? Or say im catching up. Especially since people were all like, " oh bunnies activity is going down". I do have a real life you know.
You can do whatever you want. Also, who said bolded?
You did the same thing today as you did yesterday. At the start of the day you argued with mtamburini with about pointless crap, you made a little small talk, then at the end of the day you posted a case and voted. From my perspective there is so much going against you. Holyflare, the person I think is mafia in my cell, has hard defended you and you alone. You, the person I think is mafia in your cell, have hard defended Holyflare. The first point in your case against Robik is about how he joined the game ready to lynch Holyflare.
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Everything you just quoted was posted over a period of 5 minutes.
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On June 02 2014 06:16 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2014 06:10 batsnacks wrote:On June 02 2014 06:03 27ninjabunnies wrote:On June 02 2014 06:02 batsnacks wrote:On June 02 2014 05:57 27ninjabunnies wrote:On June 02 2014 05:56 batsnacks wrote:On June 02 2014 05:54 layabout wrote:On June 02 2014 05:52 27ninjabunnies wrote:On June 02 2014 05:48 layabout wrote:
@odin It's a bit of a gut feeling, i am pretty confident about IAmRobik being town and i have a felling of liking batsnacks.
nearly finished going over hf though
My other issue this game is that Palmar is playing just like he does when he is mafia but i keep finding myself agreeing with him and it's making me uncertain about why i am thinking things. Odin isnt even in this game anymor.e Is that a necessary thing to post?pretty sure since obi has been asking me questions you would be able to look past and ignore that Yeah I find myself wondering that about a lot of bunnies' posts. Okay, i get that post, but what other posts are you talking about? All of your filter dives at the end of day 1, all of your arguments with mtamburini about rng, all the talk about how busy you are and stuff going on outside the game. So, i cant make small talk in game? Or say im catching up. Especially since people were all like, " oh bunnies activity is going down". I do have a real life you know. You can do whatever you want. Also, who said bolded? You did the same thing today as you did yesterday. At the start of the day you argued with mtamburini with about pointless crap, you made a little small talk, then at the end of the day you posted a case and voted. From my perspective there is so much going against you. Holyflare, the person I think is mafia in my cell, has hard defended you and you alone. You, the person I think is mafia in your cell, have hard defended Holyflare. The first point in your case against Robik is about how he joined the game ready to lynch Holyflare. If holy and i were mafia, why would we 'buddy' hard with each other? That seems really pointless in a game like this. Especially if one of us flip mafia, that puts high suspicion on the person who buddied. I just think holyflare is town here, and i have a better case on robik than anyone else in your cell. Yes, robik ready to lynch hf immediately put high suspicion on robik for me, because of my townread on holyflare. I dont remember who said the bolded part, tbh, but someone mentioned it. Besides the "buddying" with holyflare, what else do i have going against me? Ive given reads, ive given thoughts, cell orders, i have tried to be active, and show you guys that i am town. Filter diving is part of how i get my reads. Would you rather me just lurk like palmer? Is my method not to your liking?
You could have posted your reads prior to 2 hours before deadline. Both days.
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On June 02 2014 06:22 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2014 06:18 27ninjabunnies wrote:On June 02 2014 06:16 layabout wrote:
IF THIS LYNCH FAILS MAFIA 95 TIMES OUT OF 100 WILL WIN AND ALL BATSNACKS IS DOING IS TUNNELING AND ARGUING WITH NINJABUNNIES
BATSNACK'S PRIORITIES ARE NOT TOWN ONES Batsnacks read on holyflare has to do with me, so it would make sense that he is questioning me, and i view him townie for it. I think you are wrong. Does batsnacks look like he's trying to figure me out via you or does he just look like he is pointing things out which you do as town every game, which I've told him repeatedly. Does he try and figure me or robik out? He even said robik was most likely the mafia here but is voting me. Every point made against him or others he just calls "passive aggressive" and doesn't comment on anything that was said in it at all. I was his town read earlier and he was still doing that. Show nested quote +On June 02 2014 06:19 slOosh wrote:
Wait why are people voting holyflare? Why would scum get pissed off at inactivity? Because palmar said so rofl.
I thought you didn't care Holyflare why haven't you left the thread yet?
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I don't think you played bad bunnies I just think you're mafia. I actually think you played better than a lot of people in this game. But I still think you're mafia and I don't want you to win if you are because you played good.
30 minutes
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Look at that one of my scum picks switched me.
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On June 02 2014 06:35 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2014 06:29 batsnacks wrote:
I don't think you played bad bunnies I just think you're mafia. I actually think you played better than a lot of people in this game. But I still think you're mafia and I don't want you to win if you are because you played good.
30 minutes There is sooo much wrong with this post. I'm mafia because i play WELL? Are you serious?
Not because you played well. The fact that you are mafia and the fact that you played well are mutually exclusive. It would be correct to say you played well as mafia.
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It's Holyflare, I don't know about your cell, sloosh, and bunnies.
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On June 02 2014 06:41 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2014 06:39 batsnacks wrote:
It's Holyflare, I don't know about your cell, sloosh, and bunnies. You are wrong
I'm wrong sometimes. I won't regret it if I'm wrong.
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Watch people switching to me at the end. My reads are out. I wish I could have done better for you all.
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Bunnies I know you don't want to but I think you need to switch Holyflare.
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Yeah I wouldn't expect you to anyway
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CAN I GET A VOTE COUNT PLEASE
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Holyflare I still think you're scum this is just to save myself
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On June 02 2014 06:57 Tehpoofter wrote:
##Vote batsnacks
You think HF is scum but vote the other guy ? no.
I maintain, until the end, that HF is scummier than Robik. I will only vote Robik as long as it saves me.
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##unvote
##vote Holyflare
At least I die trying.
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This setup is weird. I think knowing exactly when each person is going to leave the game hurts the game. I like what artanis said about the next iteration having 4 person cells and a night phase.
What about if during a night phase mafia got to kill someone from the next cell? That way there would be some uncertainty as to when people were leaving the game. Like it would go like this:
Day 1 mayor
Night 1 mafia kills someone from cell 1
Day 2 town lynches someone from cell 1
Night 2 mafia kills someone from cell 2
Day 3 town lynches someone from cell 2
etc ... ...
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EPT
