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On June 01 2014 03:11 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2014 03:07 Holyflare wrote:On June 01 2014 03:05 mderg wrote:On June 01 2014 02:55 Holyflare wrote:
I did disclose as much info as I could and more than anything HE SHOULD KNOW THE UNDISCLOSED INFO SO THIS IS SUPER SUSPICIOUS TOO.
If it is what I think it is, I have absolutely no clue how you could come to the conclusion then. I also think you should not have mentioned it at all. it's nothing to do with what you think, simply that you are in both games and drew no parallells between what he was doing here and there yet instantly town read him for 0 reasons here after he had done nothing and then you defended the point about 3 times I should know the undisclosed info but it has nothing to do with what I think? I don´t get this.
stop fucking talking about info in ongoing games, you are in a game where palmar is actively playing right? yes.
you see palmar not playing in this game at all right? yes.
you say nothing about that whatsoever but come to the ready conclusion that hes town right? yes
all based on 0 posts and you haven't used anything to draw these conclusions
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On May 30 2014 14:01 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2014 13:48 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 30 2014 13:30 Holyflare wrote:
Find me the people other than ritoky that aren't scum reading mz with a day till lynch. You gonna make me major filter dive? Damn hf. Hmmm Tamburini MZ himself Mderg ( this post is super weird imo: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/449768-cell-mini-mafia-ii?page=43#857 ) Palmer voted odin, so there's that. Robik hasnt said anything about MZ Obi is focusing on you.So those are the ones i have. This is most likely a rather accurate list of mafia.
On May 31 2014 06:20 LoneMeow wrote:Counting of votes:OdinOfPergo (3): Palmar, Meapak_Ziphh, IAmRobik, ritoky ritoky (3): mderg, Palmar, mtamburini Meapak_Ziphh (9): WaveofShadow, slOosh, layabout, OdinOfPergo, Palmar, ObiWanShinobi, Holyflare, batsnacks, 27ninjabunnies, Tehpoofter Currently, Meapak_Ziphh is set to be lynched.
You have until Friday, May 30 9:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) (in ) to vote.
Voting is mandatory!+ Show Spoiler [Vote counter log] +VOTE: WaveofShadow voted Meapak_Ziphh ( post) VOTE: slOosh voted Meapak_Ziphh ( post) VOTE: layabout voted meapak ziph (Meapak_Ziphh) ( post) VOTE: Palmar voted OdinOfPergo ( post) VOTE: OdinOfPergo voted Meapak_Ziphh ( post) VOTE: mderg voted ritoky ( post) VOTE: Palmar unvoted OdinOfPergo ( post) VOTE: Palmar voted Meapak (Meapak_Ziphh) ( post) VOTE: ObiWanShinobi voted meapak (Meapak_Ziphh) ( post) VOTE: Palmar unvoted Meapak_Ziphh ( post) VOTE: Palmar voted ritoky ( post) VOTE: Holyflare voted meapak z (Meapak_Ziphh) ( post) VOTE: batsnacks voted Meapak_Ziphh ( post) VOTE: Meapak_Ziphh voted OdinOfPergo ( post) VOTE: IAmRobik voted odinofprego (OdinOfPergo) ( post) VOTE: ritoky voted Odinofpergo (OdinOfPergo) ( post) VOTE: 27ninjabunnies voted Meapak_Ziphh ( post) VOTE: mtamburini voted RITOKY (ritoky) ( post) VOTE: Tehpoofter voted Meapek_Z (Meapak_Ziphh) ( post)
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Somehow he even knows for a fact that I´m mafia. Sadly he also says that he will not disclose the reasons for that. As far as I know only people of 1 alignment can know the alignment of others for a fact (hint: it´s scum). He is 100% lying here. I´m not scum.
explain this then please
"only 1 alignment can know the alignment of others (scum)" implies quite obviously that I am scum but if that's the case then you ARE therefore mafia.
Then you add on that i'm 100% lying and you're not scum which is:
A) Adding unneeded information to state that you're town which is inherently a mafia thing to do
B) Disproving the previous half of the statement because if you are town then I can't possibly know your alignment so then what's the point of writing it?
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Huh....? I'm not the one who created this logic buddy it's right there in YOUR post.
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Half of the things you've called me mafia for are day 1 things which aren't even mafia orientated things. It's in fact very towny to get a consensus of other opinions because that holds people in written binding to explore later. After all you just said you were assuming ritoky is mafia but he was giving out information. That doesn't make sense. Then you leave out pretty much everything I've done in this game and point to one post which can't be explained and you know it can't because it's an ongoing game but actually had reasons for this game in it (which you ignored) and then used logic which was illogical to try and paint something i said in a mafia orientated way which is disproved by the fact you say it's a lie.
So really you have a post that is calling me mafia for:
Doing something towny
Something that was explained but you ignored
Illogical reasoning
Then you do what you did in cell A and have mutiple people as slightly scummy so that of one fails you can jump to the other and it will be acceptable.
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On June 01 2014 03:39 mderg wrote:
A short explanation of what I meant to say in that post.
You say that you know I´m scum.
This means you either don´t know my alignment thus it means you´re lying. Or this means that you know my alignment and thus are scum.
Since I don´t think you should be lying as town it isn´t far fetched to think you´re scum.
You've done it again??? If i don't know your alignment then I AM TOWN. IF I KNOW YOUR ALIGNMENT AND CALLED YOU SCUM YOU ARE SCUM.
if I'm not supposed to "lie" as town that makes mafia so you are thus mafia!
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You also say "Holyflare was asking for peoples opinions and consensus which is scummy but then stopped doing that which is scummy"
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On June 01 2014 03:46 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2014 03:41 Holyflare wrote:On June 01 2014 03:39 mderg wrote:
A short explanation of what I meant to say in that post.
You say that you know I´m scum.
This means you either don´t know my alignment thus it means you´re lying. Or this means that you know my alignment and thus are scum.
Since I don´t think you should be lying as town it isn´t far fetched to think you´re scum. You've done it again??? If i don't know your alignment then I AM TOWN. IF I KNOW YOUR ALIGNMENT AND CALLED YOU SCUM YOU ARE SCUM. if I'm not supposed to "lie" as town that makes mafia so you are thus mafia! Are you actually serious or are you just playing dumb?
It's YOUR logic????????????
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Look here's the thing. I don't care what you think of me you need to prove to me why you're not mafia and someone else in your cell is. If people think it's scummy and lynch me so be it but at least reads will be on the table and I'll have a better picture to solve the game by the time the lynch happens and if i do get lynched I'll flip town and people will listen to me and you will get lynched. So prove to me how your reads evolved and why they did for those reasons and then tell me who you think is mafia in your group and why.
The same goes for pretty much everyone else.
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On June 01 2014 03:54 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2014 03:50 Holyflare wrote:On June 01 2014 03:46 mderg wrote:On June 01 2014 03:41 Holyflare wrote:On June 01 2014 03:39 mderg wrote:
A short explanation of what I meant to say in that post.
You say that you know I´m scum.
This means you either don´t know my alignment thus it means you´re lying. Or this means that you know my alignment and thus are scum.
Since I don´t think you should be lying as town it isn´t far fetched to think you´re scum. You've done it again??? If i don't know your alignment then I AM TOWN. IF I KNOW YOUR ALIGNMENT AND CALLED YOU SCUM YOU ARE SCUM. if I'm not supposed to "lie" as town that makes mafia so you are thus mafia! Are you actually serious or are you just playing dumb? It's YOUR logic???????????? How can it be this hard to understand??????????? If you are town, you´re lying about knowing my alignment. If you´re mafia, you´re lying about me being mafia and lying in general.
So then why is the conclusion mafia?
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Let's take the scenario that you're presenting.
Mafia holyflare says he knows town mderg is mafia because of undisclosed reasons. (as if people would listen to this) Town mderg returns so that he can just say he's not mafia and these reasons mean nothing. I have achieved nothing, this is a terrible mafia play and you should feel silly for thinking it is.
Town Holyflare says he knows mafia mderg is mafia because of undisclosed reasons but tries his best to elaborate in legal boundary pushing because he believes this to be true but ultimately nothing comes out of it as mafia mderg returns and says lul no reasons! Used to bolster case in later game!
Town hf attacks town mderg with what he believes to be true etc etc mderg says lul no reasons hf mafia!
Hf gets lynched and flips mafia - mderg safe TOTAL PRO MOVE FOR SETTING UP SUSPICION THERE
Hf gets lynched flips town - only real scenario where what i did makes sense and would bolster future town reads
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On June 01 2014 04:03 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2014 03:57 Holyflare wrote:
Look here's the thing. I don't care what you think of me you need to prove to me why you're not mafia and someone else in your cell is. If people think it's scummy and lynch me so be it but at least reads will be on the table and I'll have a better picture to solve the game by the time the lynch happens and if i do get lynched I'll flip town and people will listen to me and you will get lynched. So prove to me how your reads evolved and why they did for those reasons and then tell me who you think is mafia in your group and why.
The same goes for pretty much everyone else. I don´t really have to prove to YOU that I´m town. In the end it comes down to proving this to the town member of my cell.
No you absolutely have to prove it to me because everything that happens later in the game can be bussed to look good, can be bolstered to look better etc etc. If you are fully accountable for everything now and prove your townyness now they don't have to read into mafia favoured info later.
I can't see why youre disagreeing with trying to look towny now rofl?
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On June 01 2014 05:02 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2014 03:05 Holyflare wrote:On June 01 2014 02:59 batsnacks wrote:
Holyflare who's mafia in Cell D and E? cell d i honestly have no clue, obi's only contribution is a terrible case on me when it wasn't even relevant and was bad and he voted mz for "plot holes in his reasoning" but never explained that and wasted time, tambo is just.. like afk all the time and when he returns he goes on bunnies for reasons of fucking rng discussion -.- major useless waste of time, sloosh had a case that i liked but that's the only thing that i liked and other than that he has done absolutely 0 things so really cell d is complete shit cell e, i like bunnies, she went tryhard on filtering people when it didnt' really need to be done if she was mafia because i'm pretty sure she had good reasons to begin with, she's put in a lot of effort and all that jazz. i already made my reasons for mderg but i wouldn't honestly be surprised if it was layabout because he has also done 0 things That bunnies read is total horseshit which us just as bad as bullshit. She's a try hard as either alignment. To say someone wouldn't put that much effort as scum is redonkulous. My vote is leaning towards HF but I haven't read any filters yet I'll be back in about 3 hours or so going to watch mls game tfc vs the crew field level seats
And since when have you played enough forum mafia to decide when things are horse shit or not? It's not the effort it's the effort when it didn't need to be done. if you can really say bunnies is mafia over mderg and layabout you honestly have no concept of what's going on in this game at all.
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On June 01 2014 05:20 batsnacks wrote:
Holyflare if it didn't need to be done, what was the motivation for doing it? I don't think town gains anything from her going tryhard on filtering people at the end of the day when 1 person already has the overwhelming majority of votes and no one is showing any signs of switching.
Exactly, which is why it's so unlikely for mafia to do that much effort when the mislynch is pretty much set in stone. Mafia don't generally go to more troible than they need to do which is why it boggles my mind why you say bunnies is the mafia over both mderg who spread his scum read over all 3 people and then voted ritoky for mediocre reasoning or layabout who did....?
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On June 01 2014 05:39 batsnacks wrote:I think she went tryhard at the end of the day just to look pro town while finishing MZ. The things she chooses to take issue with are really weak a lot of the time, like recent example: Show nested quote +On May 31 2014 07:21 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 31 2014 07:02 mtamburini wrote:
How about those reads you have bunnies? How well did they serve you this round? Probably shouldve RNG'd it at least I know I had a 50% chance of being right now that MZ flipped town.
## STATS I think my reads are pretty good. If you look at my analysis in each of the three, you can understand where my head is at. I was obviously wrong, but that still doesnt mean we should have rngd the lynch. What if you rngd and landed on MZ? Your rng would have been wrong. Just because you initially rngd the possible mafia, that doesnt make you right. That makes you 50% likely to be right, now that MZ flipped town. Her filter dives at the end of day 1 were just repeats of what everyone else was saying at the beginning of the day.
She said every game tambo tries to get her lynched and every game she is town. That would annoy the shit out of me and i would be grated everytime that person posted something accusing me.
Re:steveling golden sun
You still haven't clarified why her putting in a lot of effort to go through filters and say what's already been said (an inevitability of going through a scrutinised filter) makes her mafia over the points i raised on mderg or the lack of anything from layabout.
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That's not the only point... How about you read his filter and make some conclusions instead?
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On June 01 2014 06:17 batsnacks wrote:
I've already read everyone's filter. My conclusion is that bunnies is mafia in Cell E. I understand the points you are trying to make about mderg but bunnies is still scummier to me.
Lets talk about Cell D. You said you honestly have no clue. If Cell D were today and the deadline was now, who would you vote?
Fortunately I'm in a spot where i don't have to do that. So you say bunnies is mafia but only give reasons why she is likely town. So what about layabout?
Sloosh, while i think he's scum that doesn't stop me arguing over points using logic that aren't mathematically sound when the person pushing it says they are.
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On June 01 2014 09:25 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2014 05:45 layabout wrote:
right so ima spend time queued up for wildstar server on this
IamRobiks is my current pick for scum. His posting as a whole is quite strange particularly at the start So the other 2 are town and voted on the ML on day 1 is what your saying?
You should be giving reads other than bunnies for a while because you are extremely unaccountable for what's happened so far.
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On June 01 2014 10:12 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2014 07:04 Holyflare wrote:On June 01 2014 06:17 batsnacks wrote:
I've already read everyone's filter. My conclusion is that bunnies is mafia in Cell E. I understand the points you are trying to make about mderg but bunnies is still scummier to me.
Lets talk about Cell D. You said you honestly have no clue. If Cell D were today and the deadline was now, who would you vote? Fortunately I'm in a spot where i don't have to do that. So you say bunnies is mafia but only give reasons why she is likely town. So what about layabout? Sloosh, while i think he's scum that doesn't stop me arguing over points using logic that aren't mathematically sound when the person pushing it says they are. Bolded part are all your words, not mine. Don't give me this crap like "if you can really say bunnies is mafia over mderg and layabout you honestly have no concept of what's going on in this game at all." That's the rhetorical equivalent of you mashing your keyboard because someone disagreed with you. Have a little more respect for people's opinions and why they are expressing them. No one is going to listen to you if you just shit on every opinion that's different from yours. Do you think me calling bunnies scum helps me or scum team at all? It doesn't. I shared that information with you because you told me who you thought was scum. I think bunnies is mafia because even though she says a lot of STUFF, most of the stuff she says is weak, unnecessary, and doesn't move town forward in any positive direction. And why wouldn't you tell me who you think mafia is in group D? Why is it fortunate that you're in a spot where you "don't have to?" I want to compare my reads with yours.
I've explained why the reasons you posted were more likely to come from a town mindset rather than a scums. At no point did i "shit all over your reads", what is a more likely mafia mindset to you.
Filter diving everyone in a cell when a locked in lynch is going to happen and posting walls of text
Or
Sitting back doing not much and complaining about nothing happening
Or
Sitting back and scum reading everyone and then choosing the non wagon at the end of the day with weak reasoning
If you still think it's 1 your read is fundamentally flawed for finding mafia mindsets and I can't trust it, 2 and 3 are where the scum are and that's mderg and layabout.
I can't give a read on d because they haven't posted anything to get a proper read on.
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