I like how Ace and VisceraEyes combine for a single vote according to hapa.
Btw, been thinking about this for a while. I'm officially rescinding my policy of not making real life excuses in mafia. I'm feeling like shit and I'll be relatively inactive today. The reason I originally had this policy is that I found it to be an advantage to mafia that people could just claim rl busy as an excuse for lurking. However I think mafia on TL needs every advantage they can get (although interestingly probably not in this game as the post count restriction is really mafia favored), so from this day on I will start using real life excuses for being afk or not posting.
On April 30 2014 05:38 prplhz wrote: Like Foolishness has done exactly what he said his scum meta is: he completely disappeared d2 after making a bad case on d1. Today we just do what sandroba said, 100% scum lynch on Foolishness. we're not going with some Caller/Ace/Blazinghand bullshit. Today we listen to probably the best town player (no no, not me, sandroba) saying that he's 100% sure on someone else and we lynch Foolishness. Get on with it.
I'm ok with this.
Also, there was something in foolishness' post on day 1 that was complete bullshit. I can't remember what it was but I remember thinking "I should add it to my big reads post, but cba explaining why it's bullshit".
I might go find it if I feel better tomorrow.
If a wagon starts on me over Foolishness, just shoot me and then lynch him. Half of you think I'm mafia anyway so doesn't really matter.
Shoot ceph btw if he doesn't full claim. If he's somehow not traitor he's probably a cop or something but I don't care.
Running out of posts so I will totally vote foolishness later if people don't bother to look at BH. I'm all flipfloppy on Palmar so he can live for now and we'll see how sandrobas reads line up If foolishness flips red
Also an addendum to stuff people have said about him: no long-ass essay posts (or newspaper articles) from him.
On April 30 2014 00:53 Blazinghand wrote: Im glad Geript got shot, since I was probably going to push him today and I'd rather lynch scum. I could probably successfully make an Oats push, but I think where we should really be focusing is the people who weren't on either Oats or SnB at the end of D1 (especially people who voted for oats then buggered off and almost caused a no-lynch) if we want an optimal chance of hitting scum. My working theory right now is that scum hung back and let the lynch happened, as Foolishness said which IMO is accurate. It felt like a lynch propelled by badness of town rather than an active scumteam. If I had to guess, Besides Oats (who was on slam) we'd want to look at tehpoofter, gumshoe (nonvoters), and Ace, basically anyone not voting on the main wagon or the main counterwagon. Also a good luck at people who were around near the end and stayed on Oats-- anyone pushing for a no-lynch or trying to prevent us from getting our shit together. IMO if I were scum and town was having the kind of cluterfucky D1 we had, I'd just try to make some kind of excuse to not be involved and then have a blank slate going into D2. So yeah, basically sideliners. Scum doesn't need to be active to win this so far, let's change that.
Now, tehpoofter literally hasn't posted and we can anticipate a modkill for him. well looks like he's actually here so i'm gonna gve him a day. Also Palmar still has another 24ish hours to seriously impress before I worry about him.
Gumshoe however HAS posted, just not in the past 24 hours. I don't buy his reason of having some kind of sc2 clan war, and honestly I see him as scum being less interested in actual scumhunting. When you play scum you're mostly motivated to float by rather than learn things about what's happening in the game, and that's what I see happening here with Gumshoe. Especially in this town, the emotion driving scum is fear and wanting to hide rather than like seriousness. A Gumshoe lynch is a good lynch.
##vote gumshoe
"Gumshoe used swear on life thats hes town against blazing hand! how much damage will it do?"
I then went onto to play in a tourney, though it wasnt streamed so thats harder to prove / : I can do so pain stakingly if you like, but I am telling the truth brah. Didnt have time for much else than starcraft that day. Heres proof that I am in fact a little Tramp.
that was the 26th.
as for the 27th, I was out having a picnic with family (we then went to visit a friends place)
Read that date backwards and upside down and you get 04/27/2014
to prove it is me in that picture, here is the dog in said picture.
(Dog was not hurt in the making of this picture, he is in fact thrilled to be involved in the makings of justice!)
As for the 28th, I will concede that I was pretty lazy / : I had come home pretty late after the picnic (as evidenced by my 2am gmt post) and I had yet to catch up on the thread, which is why my post adressed fairly early events (palmers belligerence, Geripts general bearing.)
I read about half the thread yesterday and pretty much caught up today. I'm here now and I ams readies to contribute!
Oh and Bh, you also say that I am scum for not voting, it had nothing to do with that, if you dont vote you are breaking the rules, it's not something I can just choose not to do because I dont feel like it and even the last game I played as scum I did vote (on my team mate no less) not because it suited my aims, but because it was required of me / : this time around I just missed the deadline because I was gone all day T_T
I'm not asking people to think I'm town because of my absence / : I can and have lurked as scum, all I ask is not to make anything of it, because it's literally just me being lazy and a jerk to the game, nothing else.
Now, moving on to actual reads!
Blazing hand: I dont actually think hes scum / : his accusation against me is shit purely because he doesnt know how shit a player I generally am(we've never played together I think so cant fault him for that), otherwise what hes saying makes sense. Hes just wrong : P I read him townie because he came out of caller gate thinking caller and palmer were both town (a conclusion I came to as well) he didn't at all try to directly profit from an easily exploitable situation and instead looked amongst the reactors to caller gate in his quest for scum.
He ended up picking on geript ,a target I disagreed with but only because I only meta read Geript these days, his actions at a glance were inherently scummy though, assuming a crazy town player would not do something crazy as town, I mean cmon tls joke games are called Caller games... Basically I can see where Blazing was coming from.
Also I just cant understand why he would push so hard on Strong when the alternative is a no lynch... if he was saving a scum buddy maybe, but say your blazing and you have the choice of hard pushing for a lynch vs a no lynch. Say the player flips green, you look like shit, say he doesn't, then hes around the following day and town probally wastes a lynch again. At the very least strong's mere presence would reduce the odds of a scummer getting lynched...
We need 5 more on SnB or we no-lynch. Come on guys.
Wait, we have an extra hour. Get the fuck onto SnB
I just cant see this sentiment towards a green flip coming from scum this early in the game...
Bh is probs town peeps / : get off him.
Now for a scum read!
Oatsmaster!
His tone is super hostile and negative. More importantly though theres this sense of desperation to his tone before anythings really happened.
Policy lynching someone when their wad is blown, what a good job geript. Face it, hes not going to flip scum and he cant hurt us anymore. Wasted day and wasted lynch.
man wtf yamato why are you derailing a lynch and not proposing anything else you useless bastard. For the record, I am totes fine with SnB lynch and I now think that geript is not scum because he dropped his policy lynch. Which he had arguably more reason to continue with ##unvote ##vote SnB Im going to sleep, kill scum guyys pls.
The games just begun yet hes giving off significant vibes of defeatism. Something scum are want to do due to the pressure they are always under.
Also In general I dont like how hes so rude to other players who he doesn't even seem to think are scum.
Sandro is so bad at the game man wtf where did he get his reputation. POSSIBLE SCUM SLAM?? REALLY SANDRO.
OH REALLY CALLER? TRAPS? FROM YOU?????
[quote]Ceph sounds really whiny. [/quote
[quote]Austin you clearly have no idea wtf im saying.[/quote]
I just dont get why he feels the need to shit all over players who are probally his team mates / : it doesnt strike me as standard Oats, someone that can be aggressive, but only towards his scum reads for the most part. Basically town oats thinks your mafia, scum oats thinks your retarded.
Oh and then theres this (its been mentioned before but I think it deserves another look)
[quote]Policy lynching someone when their wad is blown, what a good job geript. Face it, hes not going to flip scum and he cant hurt us anymore. Wasted day and wasted lynch.[/quote]
critiques Geript for wanting to go after a crazy player whose used up his shot.
[quote]Btw the reason why caller is town and Slam is scum is the personalities. Caller is insane. Slam is actually not insanse although he types like it. Out of the blue shot coupled with shitty reasoning. Caller didnt give jack shit reasons. Town aint gonna give a shit, scum gonna try and justify their shot. Literally Alak just got away with fucking murder.[/quote]
Suggests we kill someone who HAS done crazy shit in the past (regardless of Oat's perception of him) for using his shot...yeah... thats pretty darn scummy.
Heres sicilian style mafia for general refrence(a similar game with a post limit also hosted by Ver), in this game Oat's is eager to play and is actually afraid of instantly burning up his posts... he certainly doesn't have that issue this game / : oh and compare his opening post that game to this one.
[quote]VE is scum, and Im town. Game too ez.
In other news, Firmtofu pre typed that and its not alignment indicative. Pming people isnt a big deal and should be claimed, but honestly, if you dont mason a strong town read, you be bad or scum.[/quote]
[quote]Policy lynching someone when their wad is blown, what a good job geript. Face it, hes not going to flip scum and he cant hurt us anymore. Wasted day and wasted lynch.[/quote]
Circumstances are different, but the two cadences are pretty much night and day / :
##Vote: Oatsmaster
I am now off to walk in the rain : P be back in a few.
On April 30 2014 05:53 justanothertownie wrote: That's not the only policy you are rescinding, Palmar. You also didn't lynch yourself for roleclaiming day1.
On April 30 2014 04:06 Caller wrote: hop, hop, hop on the bandwagon~
Élan I am, am I, Nale?
Nay, I am Élan the bard. Good 'ol oots
WoS I am on everyone's shot list I am unkillable unless I am actually scum. So I will not die this game, unless me saying that really offends scum. It is Alakaslam's law of reverse-Murphy.
why is VA towards the tippy top of your scumlist? I know you posted on him, but the real meat of it is that VA is more engaged/cares, whereas you're not used to that. I've seen VA care in games.
Is there more meat than just that? Talk to me about VA and why he should be on my scumlist please. VA caring doesn't vault him over other scummy people imo, but I'm pretty much always willing to find VA scummy and want to kill him
Also, talk to me about oats! You were kinda on board with oatsscum yesterday. You were worried about him not having a chance to defend himself. Lucky for oats/you (maybe), he DID get that chance. He's posted since I called him out. How do his posts make you feel, deep down inside? Why ain't HE at the tippy top of your scum lists?
On April 30 2014 02:13 WaveofShadow wrote: Important posts:
On April 29 2014 11:02 geript wrote: Dear snooglewoogle. I will take your points under consideration. I would still shoot him personally, but that's easy to say because I don't have a gun. Also, I get what you're saying about Oats. I just disagree. Please pretend they're both town... who do you shoot then? If I assume they're both town, then I'd shoot Plammer for playing dota. Or Foolishness. He seems weird too.
ps. I'm not your snooglewoogle; you're my snooglewoogle. You have to come up with a different name for me. It's how the game works.
On April 29 2014 05:27 sandroba wrote: Last post so I better make this count. Foolishness and palmar are mafia together. That actually makes caller town. Here is what happened day 1. Caller fake nukes palmar -> Foolishness posts BS case on prpl which is so bad it doesnt get any real traction -> palmar thinks he will die and uses his scum power to save foolishness from the embaressment and being completely obvious scum and if coroner flips palmar later it will make prpl look bad and foolishness look good -> caller: "lol gotchu bitch that was kebab" -> palmar foolishness : "fuuuu now we obv scum gg"
Austin, Caller, thoughts?
My thoughts WERE that geript and sandroba were town
My thoughts now are that Foolishness has a greater chance of being mafia than Palmar, and that I'm not overly worried about Palmar. Certainly not TODAY-worried about Palmar. Geript's bit on Palmar is nothing serious. Sandroba bit on Palmar reads like Sandroba fishing for something or doing something. The whole "Palmar targets prplhz because Foolishness posted a case on prplhz blah blah blah" stuff is all ... sillypants. I don't know exactly what he was trying to do there, but I don't read that at all seriously?Caller,
I think VE is town for now. I will not be hop hop hopping anywhere, nor will I be hop hop hopping on anything. To thread - + Show Spoiler +
YEAH BUT WHY DO YOU THINK THAT?
He was not only kinda scummy on Foolishness early, but also concerned that BH found Foolishness lovely jubbly, and called BH out on that. IF Foolishness is mafia, I think that combo makes VE unlikely to also be mafia.
I also think his conversation with Ace overnight reads very town? It reads like VE is interested in what Ace is saying, doesn't agree, then sees what Ace is saying and thinks he might be right. There's just a natural progression of thought and in a townie way.VEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE,
If caller is scum and had a fakenuke, don't you think he would have...been more dickish with it? Spammed a little, caused a little more havoc, SOMETHING? There was next-to-no enjoyment of the moment.
Also, why is plammar today's lynch over Foolishness or over Oats, who btw is still mafia? I know you were townie on Palmar and then said Ace convinced you otherwise, but how'd he convince you so hard that Palmar should be the lynch for today? ALSO QUESTION --------> DOES THE MANNER IN WHICH PALMAR POSTED HIS "HOLD THE TOWN HOSTAGE" CRAP READ LIKE TOWN/SCUM PALMAR TO YOU? I'm honestly interested in this, can you sort of....look at that both ways. Why each alignment Palmar posts that, what he's thinking, which one really fits?
Also also, what did you make of Poofter's post and why is Oats super duper mega mafia?Slam,
you were willing to vote oats, but never really said anything else about it. Is oats scummy/scum? Why?
I AM PERFECTLY WILLING TO WASTE 4% OF MY DAILY POSTING ALLOTMENT TO SAY THAT I DID A SHITTY JOB OF USING THE PROPER LINK FOR THAT PICTURE AND I AM SAD NOW.
On April 30 2014 04:06 Caller wrote: hop, hop, hop on the bandwagon~
Élan I am, am I, Nale?
Nay, I am Élan the bard. Good 'ol oots
WoS I am on everyone's shot list I am unkillable unless I am actually scum. So I will not die this game, unless me saying that really offends scum. It is Alakaslam's law of reverse-Murphy.
you'll note that he always repeats first word four times though
On April 30 2014 05:38 prplhz wrote: Like Foolishness has done exactly what he said his scum meta is: he completely disappeared d2 after making a bad case on d1. Today we just do what sandroba said, 100% scum lynch on Foolishness. we're not going with some Caller/Ace/Blazinghand bullshit. Today we listen to probably the best town player (no no, not me, sandroba) saying that he's 100% sure on someone else and we lynch Foolishness. Get on with it.
Except it wasn't a bad case because 12 people voted on it? Oops.
If someone wants to post an actual case against me I'll gladly respond to it (or quote it for me in case I missed it). I haven't seen any real arguments about how I'm mafia. Most of them are silly because they boil down to:
1) sandroba said so. Of which I have to say:
a) He also said that Palmar is mafia (and Palmar said he was mafia let's not forget that) and Palmar is a much more questionable character than I am for obvious reasons. b) Like you have never nightkilled someone to incriminate another town? c) I already refuted what sandroba had to say about me. If you need clarification bring up an argument and I'll respond.
2) I pushed a "bad" case on day 1. Of which I have to say:
a) It wasn't bad because a bunch of people (including townies) voted on it. b) A bunch of people independently came up with reasons why it was a good lynch. c) It's not my mafia meta like some people claim. According to the past 4 forum mafia games I've played I have either 1) done jack shit while I was alive or 2) make a case but never follow through.
On that subject, I return to what I said in an earlier post. Some of you seem to have this idea that yesterday's lynch was a mafia controlled lynch. I find this hard to believe and it's probably not true. The main reason being is because of point 2b) above: a bunch of people all had given reasons why strongandbig was a good lynch, all of which came independently. These people include Koshi, geript (confirmed town), Blazinghand and myself. If this was a mafia controlled lynch than a lot of people who started the wagon on him would have to be mafia (which is not true. Of the 4 people I listed there I'm sure we're all town. At most one is mafia if you want to hedge I guess). Not to mention there was opposition to the lynch in the form of good opposition from people like Odin and prphlz (by this I mean actual reasons behind why he's town and not just "this lynch sucks like some people did").
Furthermore, how many people are there that sat and watched that lynch happen? There's a lot, and I'll come back to those people below and I've already said who in my previous posts. For every person in this game that is making constructive posts and pushing reads it feels like there's 2 people who are sheeping (though 2 is an exaggeration in reality). What do you think is the most likely scenario for what has happened this game:
1) mafia pushed the strongandbig lynch really hard. Of the voters for strongandbig there's ~4 mafia voting, and half the town is sitting derping while this happened.
2) Town pushed a lynch onto a town. Mafia have all their votes spread out and just sat and watched it happened (which means sheeping reads, not pushing whoever they are voting for and letting town self-destruct).
It should be clear what happened yesterday unless you're in conspiracy theory land. I'm not really sure what this says about Oatsmaster (if anything) given that he was second in line to be lynched. What I do know is that mafia were very content with how things played out yesterday and did not fear one of their own getting killed. This means that the vast majority (if not all) of the mafia team were sitting back and sheeping along, because why would you put yourself out there to get townie's lynched when you can just let the town do it for you?
On April 28 2014 04:33 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: As my tunnel buddy, I'm required to agree with everything foolishness says.
##Vote StrongAndBig
And then claiming a whopping 7 hours later that he came to the same conclusion himself... + Show Spoiler +
On April 28 2014 11:01 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Before reading both foolishness and blazinghands cases on SNB I took a look through his filter just so I could get my own read beforehand. I'd be inclined to see it the same as they did. It felt like SNB was trying a bit too hard to be non committal on everything. It just struck me as effort into making sure he wasn't saying anything anyone could take issue with. Foolishness went a bit more indepth and compared it to other games, however I'd say it seemed clear enough that the only real incentive to put effort into being as neutral as humanly possible is to hide the fact you are scum and be able to point fingers at those who were more influential on the D1 lynch.
Sorry about my low activity, I will try to be more consistent with my posting going forward.
Also, ##donate 2 posts to SNB. You seem to be low on posts, I suppose its only fair to give you a bit more to work with in the few hours before your demise. I will be around until deadline if I don't accidentally fall asleep while watching dreamhack.
On April 28 2014 14:58 gumshoe wrote: Haro, its late but I owe town a few thoughts. I wont make anymore excuses, suffice to say been a spectacularly busy couple days.
havent had enough to read things too in depth. but heres a few things that stand out, geript is town as far as I can tell, or hes playing hard into his own meta.
I dont think palmer is scum because a) i am all too familiar with the if im going down towns coming with me mentality, (not specifically in mafia but other traitor games like bsg) its a shit scum strat because threatening people in a game with virtually no stakes is a bad idea, you cant cowe a town with this many great players and I dont think scum plam would try it. seems like a rage play. As scum Hes better off using his time to influence town, because he will never flip thanks to callers nuke.
b) pardoner seems like a shit role for scum, seeing as if you use to save your buddy, you instantly become a target and he just gets lynched tommorow.
I have a few preliminary scum reads but I need to get completely intimate with das thread first : P not going to throw myself into another retarded tunnel again if I can help it.
2 am here T_T night all, gl.
Scum can't pardon other scum unless Bill Murry is hosting. The ability usually used in order to put the town a few steps back when there is a scum pardoner and generally to cause chaos. But yes, it usually does need to be used in such a way to where the person giving the pardon can escape the ire of the town the following day.
But yeah, it's not the best role for scum, but's it's more useful then a vanilla scum role because it can situationally be used to fuck with the town. IIRC we had a mafia pardoner in the last game I ran, although we kind of derp'd the implementation a bit.
Personally I could see the point being made that if Palmar thought he was going to die, he might as well use the power. He can be town and have had such a huge town read on prplhz which I don't think is too likely on D1, or he could be a scum pardoner who figured he'd take the chance to just fuck with the town a bit while he can (assuming the nuke was real). IMO I think scenario 2 makes more sense because no read should be that strong day 1 to the point where you would remove the towns option to kill a person.
Also, let's not forget he said he was going to try to fuck us, whether or not it was an act or genuine rage it seems quite scummy to me.
He says that what Palmar did is quite scummy. Yet he said nothing about Palmar on day 1 (or Caller for that matter). He also promised that he would give the town something by the end of night 1 and he did not deliver.
So let's get this straight. He says that Palmar is scummy for trying to mess with the town on day 1 (true statement, yes). Yet he did not feel the need to say anything about it on day 1 and just go along with the strongandbig read? What townie thinks that someone is likely scum and then not vote him, not say anything about it, and not push him?
Yes, he is noteworthy for being an inactive player. When he's town he's much more aggressive with his reads and actually pushes his targets. Check out his post here from a game where he's town. Note that he actually makes a case using his own thoughts and follows through (he talks about cheesecake in later posts as well). When he's mafia he never makes a constructive case like this and only provides backhanded reasoning. In purgatory and storm mafia (where he's mafia) he comments on a lot of things to make it seem like he cares but he doesn't have the vested interest in hunting mafia or figuring out the game.
##Vote: RebirthOfLegend
WaveOfShadow Who is guilty of:
1) Not doing anything day 1 in a broad sense. He's always a big presence in the thread but most people seem to have forgotten he was even in this game (I know I did on multiple occasions).
2) Flailing his vote around on day 1. First voting for sandroba here + Show Spoiler +
On April 28 2014 09:03 WaveofShadow wrote: I was actually going to suggest more people shoot so we can use the coroner and veal a whole bunch of stuff at once ( I'm assuming its a one shot that only reveals one set of no flips ) Also ##Vote:sandroba
And then unvoting an hour and a half later (to his credit that was when sandroba came back to the thread and voted a bunch). Then voting for Oats even though he doesn't like the case here: + Show Spoiler +
On April 28 2014 10:48 WaveofShadow wrote: Dunno man, looks like Oats bein' Oats to me. I'd lynch him over SnB though for sure.
3) Says Palmar is suspicious and should probably be lynched but never doing anything about it:
On April 28 2014 06:29 WaveofShadow wrote: Also Ace hasn't mentioned NBA or posted gifs Lynch dat guy
I think question today honestly comes down to which of the older vets cares the least and we lunch them S ndroba/ace/palmar/caller gogogogo
On April 28 2014 10:36 WaveofShadow wrote: Catastrophe was the first time I've ever seen SnB play that hard. Start to this game feels like that. I've already explained Foolishness's meta read as not being great, what are the other cases against him?
I dunno this is one of those things I feel ok about, not Shadow-game VE-read amazing. I personally think we should be lynching into one of the useless vets today, because ultimately they are the ones who seem to get the most demotivated and lurky when they roll scum.
Not sure what that means for Palmar specifically---I could totally see him being a jerk like that as town but I'd be perfectly fine to lynch him for his weird spitefulness.
I can donate some posts maybe so we can continue this convo if necessary. What do you make of Slam's shot and random-ass addendum that he was going to shoot me? That post he made is probably the most sense I have ever seen him make, and it was BAD. Like...scum-bad. Who knows how to read that guy?
4) Follows some weird train of thought that ends up with him voting Blazinghand? I can't even follow his logic through this one. He keeps saying he wants to sheep someone but doesn't seem to quite know where to go with that.
He's either bored townie or mafia. I don't think I've ever seen him bored.
Palmar Who is guilty of a lot of things.
To be clear I will maintain my position that Palmar is town but I am still listing him here because he fits the bill and I would still vote for him should the rest of us decide he needs to die. My vote is staying on the better case for now.
Oastmaster Who is guilty of:
1) Voting for strongandbig without any reasoning here: + Show Spoiler +
On April 28 2014 01:11 Oatsmaster wrote: man wtf yamato why are you derailing a lynch and not proposing anything else you useless bastard. For the record, I am totes fine with SnB lynch and I now think that geript is not scum because he dropped his policy lynch. Which he had arguably more reason to continue with ##unvote ##vote SnB Im going to sleep, kill scum guyys pls.
2) General absence on day 1. He was next in line to get lynched and hardly seemed to care.
--- I have to stop here for now but I know I'm on the cusp of having this figured out.
yea i'd say anyone pushing foolishness is suspicious as fuck. his reads are good besides WoS, that guy would not play this terrible as scum he barely ever gets to play it.
On April 30 2014 06:00 Koshi wrote: Well I am also soon going to bed so make sure this poofter guy doesn't shoot Koshi in some insane mindset that he will lynch Fool and Shoot Koshi.
Leave Koshi alone.
this thread really needs more Koshi is town comments.
Koshi
"Don't shoot I'm town" bleh this makes me want to shoot you more because you don't give any evidence to your alignment you don't try to push me off you or even call me scummy. To me a town mindset would be there is a dude with gun to my head he is either a silly town who i need to convince not to shoot or he is scummy trying to get a shot on me. You havent really done either seems to me you have just kinda taken this "guys im really town though" approach. I think foolish might be scum but the more you the post the more I am convinced you're the scum between the two of you. if you're town like I need more or in my eyes you're giving foolishness a free pass (although seems there is some votes heading his way.) The only thing really holding me back atm is that I want you to get lynched so that I can brag about being super right.
@ VE You said you were going to look over my case I believe Austin also asked you to look can you look at Koshi and tell me what makes you think hes town or even what makes Palmer scummier (I read what Palmer did as being a cry baby initially although him openly checking out of the game I'm not sure how to read... like if he is scum I feel like he does that if he doesn't like his scumteam. I feel like its slightly more town because when I was partner's with Palmer in that game a couple of us were afk and he basically carried the initial day with Steveling and in Titanic when he was scum he pushed his teammates to post post post and tried very hard it seemed as scum. Then in Catastophe he kinda trolled and sorta gave up on one of his win cons so to me it seems like more of town Palmer but its a bit different maybe you have a bit more insight into his meta.
@ Oats Why should Koshi get my bullet over you? If not Koshi/you then whom? I feel like Austin has a really good case on you and you're not really fighting it at all.
@WoS What does a Koshi scum push look like? What was townie about the way Koshi pushed (is use this word lightly) on SNB yesterday? I actually do like your BH case he has flown under my radar for the most part. What do you think of Foolishness as well?
I was going to donate you a couple posts for you to answer but unless my math sucks you have only used 12 posts why say you're running out? Btw this post you made was my favorite of the thread:+ Show Spoiler +
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