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On April 30 2014 00:17 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2014 23:16 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 29 2014 22:36 justanothertownie wrote:On April 29 2014 22:30 Koshi wrote:
So I can brag endgame? If you think you can brag with those reads endgame you have to have some reasons for them, correct? Believe it or not I want to hear them. Normally you are an easy townread at this point and I really need townreads because very few people are really towny this game and asshole scummers shot 2 of them last night. I have the nagging feeling that you are town but your play doesn't suggest that at all. My eyes have been opened. This looks like 'Oh balls, they's catching on, no reasoning though---hmm I can discredit here.' Also probably thought Cephiro was town until that traitor shit was pointed out to me which seems really damn obvious, including his recent attempts to defend himself. I dunno I think I just have to find someone to sheep all game. Maybe I'll make like Koshi and listen to dead geript for once? I don't think I can play this kind of format again it's killing my activity and motivation. It's funny I yelled at Slam/called him scum for saying I don't care about the game but this may be the game I've cared about the least in like, ever. Someone give me something to do. Austin you're good at that. Because asking for reasoning is totally scummy after all... I understand that you think this game sucks WoS. I share that feeling mainly because of the post restriction and because half of the people aren't even playing but why should other people put effort in if you don't? Koshi promised explanation and didn't deliver. His scumteam makes 0 sense since I wouldn't mind seeing all of the other 3 people he called scum dead. The difference is though that I would rather see foolishness lynched than shot. Cephiro and slam are both decent shots because the chance of them being traitor/scum is quite high and they are lynchbait anyways should they be town.
That is actually a good point for me being shot.
As for my shot people really want me to fabricate reasons where there were none, lol
Like I panicked and did not read his clarification, I even understand now that was a mistake. What is funny is that recognizing this fact now makes me badass scum powerful, the all knowing scum genie.
It actually makes me a recovered former retard- but hey if I must be lynched DOIT now.
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On April 30 2014 00:27 Caller wrote:we're ignoring all the other crap you guys are spouting, half of you are chasing your own tails and the other half of you are mafia. we're focusing on this now. Show nested quote +On April 30 2014 00:14 Caller wrote:On April 29 2014 12:17 VayneAuthority wrote:
didnt even know there was vanilla town in this game, what a scrub lol are you guys fucking kidding me the guy just softed a blue claim, and there isnt a bomb or meth dealer or w/e role. There's only two reasons why you would do this: either you're a fucking retard that wants to get killed by mafia, or you're actually mafia. i tend to think better of humanity than to assume everybody is a fucking retard, so VA claim, it's out in the open anyways. ##vote: VayneAuthority
 brodda Calla
##Vote: VayneAuthority
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On April 30 2014 00:27 Caller wrote:we're ignoring all the other crap you guys are spouting, half of you are chasing your own tails and the other half of you are mafia. we're focusing on this now. Show nested quote +On April 30 2014 00:14 Caller wrote:On April 29 2014 12:17 VayneAuthority wrote:
didnt even know there was vanilla town in this game, what a scrub lol are you guys fucking kidding me the guy just softed a blue claim, and there isnt a bomb or meth dealer or w/e role. There's only two reasons why you would do this: either you're a fucking retard that wants to get killed by mafia, or you're actually mafia. i tend to think better of humanity than to assume everybody is a fucking retard, so VA claim, it's out in the open anyways. ##vote: VayneAuthority
Would totally lynch VA of course.
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BTW coroner should out with the results of the test on whoever slam shot last night. cops only out on guilty. If/when coroner claims, medics and/or martyrs should be on him
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lol Caller I've been calling VA scummy all game. Get on my level.
Doesn't mean I'm completely sold on it yet. I'm also not sure how your point makes him scum exactly. There are plenty of people who play like fucking retards in every game and do whatever they want to the detriment of everyone else. I think it's been too long since you've actually played a game.
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On April 30 2014 00:27 Caller wrote:we're ignoring all the other crap you guys are spouting, half of you are chasing your own tails and the other half of you are mafia. we're focusing on this now. Show nested quote +On April 30 2014 00:14 Caller wrote:On April 29 2014 12:17 VayneAuthority wrote:
didnt even know there was vanilla town in this game, what a scrub lol are you guys fucking kidding me the guy just softed a blue claim, and there isnt a bomb or meth dealer or w/e role. There's only two reasons why you would do this: either you're a fucking retard that wants to get killed by mafia, or you're actually mafia. i tend to think better of humanity than to assume everybody is a fucking retard, so VA claim, it's out in the open anyways. ##vote: VayneAuthority
I am waiting on VA to come back and shoot Cephiro. I read the claim and was planning to talk to him about it. Pretty sure he typed that because he wants to shoot somebody today. If he doesn't do it or shoots somebody strange we have a problem.
Voting him makes it sure he can't shoot. We want him to shoot a target town is ok with. So I suggest you give him a scummer instead of voting him.
IN THE MEANTIME:
Alakaslam and JAT think it is better to not let VA shoot obvious great scumtargets. Which means I can add another paragraph to my response to JAT ↓.
On April 30 2014 00:17 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2014 23:16 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 29 2014 22:36 justanothertownie wrote:On April 29 2014 22:30 Koshi wrote:
So I can brag endgame? If you think you can brag with those reads endgame you have to have some reasons for them, correct? Believe it or not I want to hear them. Normally you are an easy townread at this point and I really need townreads because very few people are really towny this game and asshole scummers shot 2 of them last night. I have the nagging feeling that you are town but your play doesn't suggest that at all. My eyes have been opened. This looks like 'Oh balls, they's catching on, no reasoning though---hmm I can discredit here.' Also probably thought Cephiro was town until that traitor shit was pointed out to me which seems really damn obvious, including his recent attempts to defend himself. I dunno I think I just have to find someone to sheep all game. Maybe I'll make like Koshi and listen to dead geript for once? I don't think I can play this kind of format again it's killing my activity and motivation. It's funny I yelled at Slam/called him scum for saying I don't care about the game but this may be the game I've cared about the least in like, ever. Someone give me something to do. Austin you're good at that. Because asking for reasoning is totally scummy after all... I understand that you think this game sucks WoS. I share that feeling mainly because of the post restriction and because half of the people aren't even playing but why should other people put effort in if you don't? Koshi promised explanation and didn't deliver. His scumteam makes 0 sense since I wouldn't mind seeing all of the other 3 people he called scum dead. The difference is though that I would rather see foolishness lynched than shot. Cephiro and slam are both decent shots because the chance of them being traitor/scum is quite high and they are lynchbait anyways should they be town.
My scumteams makes 0 sense even though you agree with 3 out of 4 guys in it? That's pretty much descrediting my entire scumteam while you only want to discuss your name in it.
But wait. Do you really want those 3 shot?
You were defending Foolishness with meta reasoning D1 right?
You did give 3 names that needed to be shot right? It was RoL, Alakaslam and gumshoe. I do not see Cephiro in there. Wait let me see what is in your filter JAT:
On April 29 2014 21:39 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2014 21:13 Palmar wrote:
Like does no one but me care that Ceph is literally claiming traitor?
I noticed that too. The problem here is that I would not put it past Cephiro to do this as town for some weird ass play. He totally claimed traitor with the recruiting stuff and the "don't shoot me it's not worth it" etc. Do you think he would be this obvious as scum? I mean he is a decent shot don't get me wrong, but I am not sure about his alignment.
IS IT MORE META DEFENSE OF PEOPLE IN MY LIST? It sure looks like it.
EXTRA:
So we have 4 people JAT wants shot: RoL, Cephiro, Alakaslam, Gumshoe. And then Foolishness lynched. But when VA claims dayvig (most likely) JAT wants to lynch VA instead of directing his shot on a scummer.
Sounds legit!
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On April 30 2014 00:40 WaveofShadow wrote:
lol Caller I've been calling VA scummy all game. Get on my level.
Doesn't mean I'm completely sold on it yet. I'm also not sure how your point makes him scum exactly. There are plenty of people who play like fucking retards in every game and do whatever they want to the detriment of everyone else. I think it's been too long since you've actually played a game.
"i didn't know there were vanillas in this game"
>>implies he's not a vanilla
>>must therefore be PR or mafia
>>if PR, mafia now knows he's PR
>>if mafia, well, mafia.
>>therefore, no point in soft claiming as you've given away that you're a PR
>>unless of course you are mafia
>>therefore might as well hard claim
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On April 30 2014 00:41 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2014 00:27 Caller wrote:we're ignoring all the other crap you guys are spouting, half of you are chasing your own tails and the other half of you are mafia. we're focusing on this now. On April 30 2014 00:14 Caller wrote:On April 29 2014 12:17 VayneAuthority wrote:
didnt even know there was vanilla town in this game, what a scrub lol are you guys fucking kidding me the guy just softed a blue claim, and there isnt a bomb or meth dealer or w/e role. There's only two reasons why you would do this: either you're a fucking retard that wants to get killed by mafia, or you're actually mafia. i tend to think better of humanity than to assume everybody is a fucking retard, so VA claim, it's out in the open anyways. ##vote: VayneAuthority I am waiting on VA to come back and shoot Cephiro. I read the claim and was planning to talk to him about it. Pretty sure he typed that because he wants to shoot somebody today. If he doesn't do it or shoots somebody strange we have a problem. Voting him makes it sure he can't shoot. We want him to shoot a target town is ok with. So I suggest you give him a scummer instead of voting him. IN THE MEANTIME: Alakaslam and JAT think it is better to not let VA shoot obvious great scumtargets. Which means I can add another paragraph to my response to JAT ↓. Show nested quote +On April 30 2014 00:17 justanothertownie wrote:On April 29 2014 23:16 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 29 2014 22:36 justanothertownie wrote:On April 29 2014 22:30 Koshi wrote:
So I can brag endgame? If you think you can brag with those reads endgame you have to have some reasons for them, correct? Believe it or not I want to hear them. Normally you are an easy townread at this point and I really need townreads because very few people are really towny this game and asshole scummers shot 2 of them last night. I have the nagging feeling that you are town but your play doesn't suggest that at all. My eyes have been opened. This looks like 'Oh balls, they's catching on, no reasoning though---hmm I can discredit here.' Also probably thought Cephiro was town until that traitor shit was pointed out to me which seems really damn obvious, including his recent attempts to defend himself. I dunno I think I just have to find someone to sheep all game. Maybe I'll make like Koshi and listen to dead geript for once? I don't think I can play this kind of format again it's killing my activity and motivation. It's funny I yelled at Slam/called him scum for saying I don't care about the game but this may be the game I've cared about the least in like, ever. Someone give me something to do. Austin you're good at that. Because asking for reasoning is totally scummy after all... I understand that you think this game sucks WoS. I share that feeling mainly because of the post restriction and because half of the people aren't even playing but why should other people put effort in if you don't? Koshi promised explanation and didn't deliver. His scumteam makes 0 sense since I wouldn't mind seeing all of the other 3 people he called scum dead. The difference is though that I would rather see foolishness lynched than shot. Cephiro and slam are both decent shots because the chance of them being traitor/scum is quite high and they are lynchbait anyways should they be town. My scumteams makes 0 sense even though you agree with 3 out of 4 guys in it? That's pretty much descrediting my entire scumteam while you only want to discuss your name in it. But wait. Do you really want those 3 shot? You were defending Foolishness with meta reasoning D1 right? You did give 3 names that needed to be shot right? It was RoL, Alakaslam and gumshoe. I do not see Cephiro in there. Wait let me see what is in your filter JAT: Show nested quote +On April 29 2014 21:39 justanothertownie wrote:On April 29 2014 21:13 Palmar wrote:
Like does no one but me care that Ceph is literally claiming traitor?
I noticed that too. The problem here is that I would not put it past Cephiro to do this as town for some weird ass play. He totally claimed traitor with the recruiting stuff and the "don't shoot me it's not worth it" etc. Do you think he would be this obvious as scum? I mean he is a decent shot don't get me wrong, but I am not sure about his alignment. IS IT MORE META DEFENSE OF PEOPLE IN MY LIST? It sure looks like it. EXTRA: So we have 4 people JAT wants shot: RoL, Cephiro, Alakaslam, Gumshoe. And then Foolishness lynched. But when VA claims dayvig (most likely) JAT wants to lynch VA instead of directing his shot on a scummer. Sounds legit!
Koshi when did you lose the ability to read? I did not defend Foolishness day1 I just stated that what he did (provide a read without reasoning) is not necessarily indicative of scum foolishness which is proven true.
And yes, your scumteam as a whole makes 0 sense as long as I am included in it.
I am not defending anyone else on it. Foolishness is a good lynch, the others are good shots. I literally say Cephiro is a decent shot in the fucking post you quoted.
Also VA did not claim dayvig anywhere. He softclaimed not VT that is all and I wanted to lynch that guy since day1.
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And yet somehow, I wouldn't be surprised if VA soft claimed blue and then let himself be lynched 'cause he didn't give a shit.
I guess we'll see.
For the talk of VA being dayvig, if Slam is actually town we likely don't have any more KP as we had SnB/Slam, and I don't see town getting shit tons of KP in a game where scum have 1-2 nightly KP.
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On April 30 2014 00:50 WaveofShadow wrote:
And yet somehow, I wouldn't be surprised if VA soft claimed blue and then let himself be lynched 'cause he didn't give a shit.
I guess we'll see.
For the talk of VA being dayvig, if Slam is actually town we likely don't have any more KP as we had SnB/Slam, and I don't see town getting shit tons of KP in a game where scum have 1-2 nightly KP.
This calculation doesn't add up like in other games. I can totally see more KP than usual just because of the no-flip mechanic.
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Blazinghand
United States25562 Posts
Im glad Geript got shot, since I was probably going to push him today and I'd rather lynch scum. I could probably successfully make an Oats push, but I think where we should really be focusing is the people who weren't on either Oats or SnB at the end of D1 (especially people who voted for oats then buggered off and almost caused a no-lynch) if we want an optimal chance of hitting scum. My working theory right now is that scum hung back and let the lynch happened, as Foolishness said which IMO is accurate. It felt like a lynch propelled by badness of town rather than an active scumteam. If I had to guess, Besides Oats (who was on slam) we'd want to look at tehpoofter, gumshoe (nonvoters), and Ace, basically anyone not voting on the main wagon or the main counterwagon. Also a good luck at people who were around near the end and stayed on Oats-- anyone pushing for a no-lynch or trying to prevent us from getting our shit together. IMO if I were scum and town was having the kind of cluterfucky D1 we had, I'd just try to make some kind of excuse to not be involved and then have a blank slate going into D2. So yeah, basically sideliners. Scum doesn't need to be active to win this so far, let's change that.
Now, tehpoofter literally hasn't posted and we can anticipate a modkill for him. well looks like he's actually here so i'm gonna gve him a day. Also Palmar still has another 24ish hours to seriously impress before I worry about him.
Gumshoe however HAS posted, just not in the past 24 hours. I don't buy his reason of having some kind of sc2 clan war, and honestly I see him as scum being less interested in actual scumhunting. When you play scum you're mostly motivated to float by rather than learn things about what's happening in the game, and that's what I see happening here with Gumshoe. Especially in this town, the emotion driving scum is fear and wanting to hide rather than like seriousness. A Gumshoe lynch is a good lynch.
##vote gumshoe
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@Caller / VA stuff
No. Who cares if VA soft claims "not VT"? Palmar did that yesterday and you didn't ask someone to shoot him with anything real, nor did you try to push a lynch on him. 18,000 people have claimed or fakeclaimed vigi, and you didn't care much about that stuff. Yes. VA is either mafia or claiming a power role and maybe shouldn't be or is fakeclaiming and wants to get shot or whatever. Nobody cares. That's not AT ALL a reason to push someone for lynch.
"He said he was blue." GREAT. Nobody cares. Even if you think that indicates he's mafia because blues shouldn't be outing themselves, that would make you inconsistent in your response to claims AND that means that your #1 ichiban scumread for today is a dude who said he was blue and MIGHT be mafia or you think MIGHT be playing oddly/poorly.
If your #1 lynch is that, nobody in this game should be following you. Who is doing stuff that is SCUMMY?
@WoS
you wanted a task. There's a ... middle tier of people. Not the folks being discussed so far last night/today -----> BH, VE, prplhz maybe? Not the super vets, but they've been around longer than me, they can play, and they've posted. Could you look into them and give some general feelz, as well as anything super interesting in a townie/scummy way in any of those filters?
Also, dear God please don't listen to Koshi's crap about NKs. Getting NKed doesn't mean your reads are right. Getting NKed doesn't mean your reads are right. Maybe one read in particular is good, maybe you're a consensus townie, maybe you're trying to derail a particular mislynch they want, maybe you took a shot, maybe getting NKed doesn't mean your reads are right. Plus there's the whole "If Geript's reads were ACTUALLY right, that means Koshi more likely to be scum, which means don't listen to him." Geript probably has some good thoughts. But getting NKed doesn't mean all your reads are right.
Also there was already a task about looking at oats again or something, I gave it to you overnight.
@poofter
<3
I am generally in favor of using less KP, see all other posts. We dunno if we have coroners, how many, how many shots they have. I haven't played in no-flip games, and I think no-flips are pretty bad for town (especially when we don't know how many scum there are anyway, or KP formulas, so it's not even like we can ballpark it based on NKs). So I'm quite worried actually about no flips, towns seem to have a lot of trouble in games where they don't have a good handle on the setup and go into lategame unsure on scum numbers/mechanics, and the less no-flips we have, the better? Maybe?
My preferred targets would be oats/koshi/foolishness, but I'd much much rather wait than shoot. I'm playing "You don't ever shoot" mafia, and then in favor of dropping anyone who actually DOES shoot. Mwahahahaha. The more people alive, the more work scum has to do, get more mislynches, keep going and going, keep worrying about cops and whatnot. A couple extra alive dudes and an extra day or two is town-favored imo, moreso than the chance of hitting mafia with a shot and not having them flip.
THERE'S A BUNCH OF MUSHY REASONS BUT REALLY I JUST DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF SHOTS BUT I'M NOT CURRENTLY KING OF THIS GAME SO YMMV.
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On April 30 2014 01:09 austinmcc wrote:
@Caller / VA stuff
No. Who cares if VA soft claims "not VT"? Palmar did that yesterday and you didn't ask someone to shoot him with anything real, nor did you try to push a lynch on him. 18,000 people have claimed or fakeclaimed vigi, and you didn't care much about that stuff. Yes. VA is either mafia or claiming a power role and maybe shouldn't be or is fakeclaiming and wants to get shot or whatever. Nobody cares. That's not AT ALL a reason to push someone for lynch.
"He said he was blue." GREAT. Nobody cares. Even if you think that indicates he's mafia because blues shouldn't be outing themselves, that would make you inconsistent in your response to claims AND that means that your #1 ichiban scumread for today is a dude who said he was blue and MIGHT be mafia or you think MIGHT be playing oddly/poorly.
If your #1 lynch is that, nobody in this game should be following you. Who is doing stuff that is SCUMMY?
@WoS
you wanted a task. There's a ... middle tier of people. Not the folks being discussed so far last night/today -----> BH, VE, prplhz maybe? Not the super vets, but they've been around longer than me, they can play, and they've posted. Could you look into them and give some general feelz, as well as anything super interesting in a townie/scummy way in any of those filters?
Also, dear God please don't listen to Koshi's crap about NKs. Getting NKed doesn't mean your reads are right. Getting NKed doesn't mean your reads are right. Maybe one read in particular is good, maybe you're a consensus townie, maybe you're trying to derail a particular mislynch they want, maybe you took a shot, maybe getting NKed doesn't mean your reads are right. Plus there's the whole "If Geript's reads were ACTUALLY right, that means Koshi more likely to be scum, which means don't listen to him." Geript probably has some good thoughts. But getting NKed doesn't mean all your reads are right.
Also there was already a task about looking at oats again or something, I gave it to you overnight.
@poofter
<3
I am generally in favor of using less KP, see all other posts. We dunno if we have coroners, how many, how many shots they have. I haven't played in no-flip games, and I think no-flips are pretty bad for town (especially when we don't know how many scum there are anyway, or KP formulas, so it's not even like we can ballpark it based on NKs). So I'm quite worried actually about no flips, towns seem to have a lot of trouble in games where they don't have a good handle on the setup and go into lategame unsure on scum numbers/mechanics, and the less no-flips we have, the better? Maybe?
My preferred targets would be oats/koshi/foolishness, but I'd much much rather wait than shoot. I'm playing "You don't ever shoot" mafia, and then in favor of dropping anyone who actually DOES shoot. Mwahahahaha. The more people alive, the more work scum has to do, get more mislynches, keep going and going, keep worrying about cops and whatnot. A couple extra alive dudes and an extra day or two is town-favored imo, moreso than the chance of hitting mafia with a shot and not having them flip.
THERE'S A BUNCH OF MUSHY REASONS BUT REALLY I JUST DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF SHOTS BUT I'M NOT CURRENTLY KING OF THIS GAME SO YMMV.
I love this guy. Only strong townread I have right now. I will stop posting for a while since I am posting too much atm (I can't express how much I hate this restriction mechanic) but if you also have a task for me I will do it later today.
BH scumming it up and going for the most crapshoot lynch possible while avoiding to comment on anything that happened today/last night.
Oh, one last thing: Koshi if VA should be dayvig like you think he is perfectly able to shoot before we lynch him so that part of your post is - like most of the rest - total horseshit.
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@WoS
More/different tasks if you really want. Read poofter's stuff on Koshi. Specifically, pushing snb, then getting gifted posts, and coming back late in the cycle to say snb was the lynch of justice, blah blah, without actually DOING anything, without talking about oats, without trying to get people to move to snb when the lynch could have gone either way (yet he thinks oats is town and snb is mafia), blah blah. Does poofter have the right of this? Does that feel like Koshi, as Koshi claims? Does it feel like Generic Yum Yum Good Play?
Seriously though, Koshi's stuff on Geript's reads is bad bad. Koshi 100% knows snb's alignment. Koshi 100% knows Koshi's alignment. Koshi looks at geript's reads, goes "He was wrong about snb and wrong about myself, but he was probably right in all this other stuff." ALL THE EVIDENCE, IN KOSHI'S MIND, SAYS THAT GERIPT'S READS WERE INCORRECT. KOSHI IGNORES THAT 100% AND DECIDES THE REST OF GERIPT'S READS ARE JUST ALL GRAVY.
Geript's reads are useful, we can talk about em, use em, but Koshi should be having his OWN reads more than using Geript's to push D2 crap. Shouldn't be 72 hours of "Here's what Koshi thinks" and then when Geript flips "Oh wait, here's what Geript thought, let's work off this."
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Blazinghand
United States25562 Posts
Lol I can't help but laugh at how wrong you are JAT. I tire of these mafia games where nobody is on my level. You guys can't possibly comprehend how much worse you are at scum hunting than I am.
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##Vote: Palmar
Because Ace convinced me. The way he tried to hold town hostage was like...and the way he acted when he thought he was going to die was just like......and the bullshit he's done since finding out he wasn't dead has been oh so.....
SCUM.
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I would also probably lynch Caller. He didn't do shit with the "info" he generated with his "shot". And now he literally LOOKS like scum trying to capitalize on having expended a power role publicly. Those are my lynches today: Caller/Palmar. I see poofter has joined us - going to see what he's on about and whether I think he's town right meow.
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VE hurry up and shoot me so we can lynch you and flip you red
i thought you were going to shoot me, so do it!
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If you think I'm scum try and lynch me on ur own merits Caller. Come on bbygrl it ain't hard, ask anyone.
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On April 30 2014 01:20 austinmcc wrote:
@WoS
More/different tasks if you really want. Read poofter's stuff on Koshi. Specifically, pushing snb, then getting gifted posts, and coming back late in the cycle to say snb was the lynch of justice, blah blah, without actually DOING anything, without talking about oats, without trying to get people to move to snb when the lynch could have gone either way (yet he thinks oats is town and snb is mafia), blah blah. Does poofter have the right of this? Does that feel like Koshi, as Koshi claims? Does it feel like Generic Yum Yum Good Play?
Seriously though, Koshi's stuff on Geript's reads is bad bad. Koshi 100% knows snb's alignment. Koshi 100% knows Koshi's alignment. Koshi looks at geript's reads, goes "He was wrong about snb and wrong about myself, but he was probably right in all this other stuff." ALL THE EVIDENCE, IN KOSHI'S MIND, SAYS THAT GERIPT'S READS WERE INCORRECT. KOSHI IGNORES THAT 100% AND DECIDES THE REST OF GERIPT'S READS ARE JUST ALL GRAVY.
Geript's reads are useful, we can talk about em, use em, but Koshi should be having his OWN reads more than using Geript's to push D2 crap. Shouldn't be 72 hours of "Here's what Koshi thinks" and then when Geript flips "Oh wait, here's what Geript thought, let's work off this."
Austin I never once said I was going to take all of geript's reads at face value. I still believe they killed him for a reason. Also if you look Koshi recently went back and said what he wrote about geript's reads were dumb and bad...does that change what you think?
Re: Oats...can't read the guy worth shit. Like ever.
BH---I'm kind of disappointed JAT randomly called you scum before I got the chance to because I feel like the wind has been taken out of my sails. Purely from a meta standpoint this fits BHs scumplay in many games to a T. See Carnival Cruise for a good example---incredibly arrogant for fun (because BH turns this on and off at will), unapologetic, and unwilling to truly assist town in any way. In recent games where BH gets mislynched or shot as town, he has been extremely passive to the point where people assume he is scum---I believe BH has changed it up this game for specifically this reason as BH likes to change up his playstyles fairly often and has not used this one in a while. Now let's get to the non-meta stuff: if you don't like meta you can ignore the above.
On April 30 2014 00:53 Blazinghand wrote:
Im glad Geript got shot, since I was probably going to push him today and I'd rather lynch scum. I could probably successfully make an Oats push, but I think where we should really be focusing is the people who weren't on either Oats or SnB at the end of D1 (especially people who voted for oats then buggered off and almost caused a no-lynch) if we want an optimal chance of hitting scum. My working theory right now is that scum hung back and let the lynch happened, as Foolishness said which IMO is accurate. It felt like a lynch propelled by badness of town rather than an active scumteam. If I had to guess, Besides Oats (who was on slam) we'd want to look at tehpoofter, gumshoe (nonvoters), and Ace, basically anyone not voting on the main wagon or the main counterwagon. Also a good luck at people who were around near the end and stayed on Oats-- anyone pushing for a no-lynch or trying to prevent us from getting our shit together. IMO if I were scum and town was having the kind of cluterfucky D1 we had, I'd just try to make some kind of excuse to not be involved and then have a blank slate going into D2. So yeah, basically sideliners. Scum doesn't need to be active to win this so far, let's change that.
Now, tehpoofter literally hasn't posted and we can anticipate a modkill for him. well looks like he's actually here so i'm gonna gve him a day. Also Palmar still has another 24ish hours to seriously impress before I worry about him.
Gumshoe however HAS posted, just not in the past 24 hours. I don't buy his reason of having some kind of sc2 clan war, and honestly I see him as scum being less interested in actual scumhunting. When you play scum you're mostly motivated to float by rather than learn things about what's happening in the game, and that's what I see happening here with Gumshoe. Especially in this town, the emotion driving scum is fear and wanting to hide rather than like seriousness. A Gumshoe lynch is a good lynch.
##vote gumshoe
This basically amounts to a scumclaim for me. JAT touched on this, but not only is this push to LYNCH (note lynch, not shoot) gumshoe as a lurker horribly scummy on its own, but anyone who knows gumshoe in any way at all would know that when gumshoe doesn't play the game at all, he is town. BH calling gumshoe having 'posted in the last 24h' doesn't mean he is playing this game. He is simply nonexistent whatsoever and does this exclusively as town (see NMM, and Cultured I think it was?). If people are worried about gumshoe being scummy I could see a case being made to shoot the guy to eliminate a question mark, but to waste a lynch on that shit? Horrible.
Now note BH's attempted voting analysis. On one hand he has a point about regarding people who 'didn't take a stance' on D1, but it's not so simple at all---any scum present worth their salt will have just piled onto one of the two as it reached deadline (hence why when I mentioned voting analysis, it should be done not for deadline, but earlier in the day when most votes were down elsewhere---haven't gotten to that yet though). BH is essentially taking the easy way out. He's right that scum don't need to be active to win thus far (and I don't think that's likely to change honestly, given the posting restriction, TL meta in general and the apathy of this town, myself included) but that doesn't mean all scum are inactive and just decided to not to anything D1. I would especially like to note that he talks about how he was going to push geript today if he didn't get shot which isn't indicative of anything necessarily but absolutely NOWHERE does he mention his own push on SnB while still calling himself the best scumhunter in this game. I mean I get the character-driven arrogance, but to try and completely ignore his own hand in getting one of the strongest and most vocal townies in this game lynched (and I really do regret switching over now, even if it would have been a no-lynch)---that's damning imo.
The kills as austin also mentioned earlier would also appear to implicate BH in that he is one of those who would consider a semi-active sandroba a valuable kill, and also knows to some degree what an on-point geript is capable of.
##Vote: Blazinghand
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