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On April 29 2014 06:34 Foolishness wrote:
Gonna go out on a limb here and say that sandroba and Palmar are both town.
And by limb I mean I'd find it difficult to believe if you thought otherwise.
I'll just summarize main sandroba points:
1) in Bureaucracy mafia I made a bullshit case on day 1 and was afk for the rest of the game. I hardly even pushed it iirc. This game I got a town lynched.
2) I'm not soft defending Palmar, I'm hard defending him. I think he's town. Make a case if you think otherwise cause I haven't seen one other than he did something anti-town by pardoning prphlz. Even so, would not be upset if he died. Almost like a wildcard.
3) Cases weren't bullshit cause I didn't make them up. Legit thought prphlz was mafia (I've caught him before as mafia in the past). Don't think he's mafia anymore and would not lynch tomorrow.
So maybe this game is difficult and I or blazinghand or Koshi or 2 or all of us are mafia, and we all pushed a lynched yesterday that we knew was on a town.
Or maybe what really happened is that a bunch of townies pushed a lynch onto another townie and the mafia sat back and watched it all happened. This is even more likely given that there wasn't ever that hard of a push against anyone else (the Oatsmaster case never got the traction, though to be honest I would probably lynch him). And it's even more likely cause there's a big handful of people that can be best summarized as:
1) Didn't really contribute much yesterday in terms of pushing a read.
2) Voted without much consideration or without following it up.
And that handful of people includes, Ace, Palmar, Alakaslam, Caller, RoL, WaveOfShadow, Cephiro and then VA and JAT to an extent.
Which boat you riding sandroba? You're "Foolishness is so awful as mafia this is him leading the town to a mislynch with his scumbuddy Palmar" or the "town lynched a town and mafia just sat back and enjoyed the show"? I know what boat I'm in and it doesn't involve any conspiracy theories about mafia buddies purposely ignoring each other.
Yes prphlz, I did look at would lynch Cephiro in a heartbeat.
So, to clarify: Did you actually mean to say Palmar/Sandroba are town or is that a typo? Because the rest of your posts does not suggest that as far as sandroba is concerned. You basically call everything he said wrong.
Also I think it is quite ridiculous that you group me in the list of people who "voted without much consideration". That is absolutely not true. I made it very clear that I thought oats was the better lynch and I even spoke to you about why your case does not make SnB mafia.
You claim oatsmaster never got traction which is a blatant lie. If that was the case how come it was tied (8:8 or something like that) at some point? If you are town you can do better and you will have to because if you don't provide some magic today I am very inclined to sheep sandroba and lynch you.
On April 29 2014 16:53 Koshi wrote:
##vote Foolishness
Because I am not impressed. Also Sandroba is ded.
imo people should shoot Foolishness. Also Palmar.
PEOPLE PLS SHOOT FOOLISHNESS AND PALMAR.
Thank you.
I don't think we should be shooting Foolishness. If he doesn't start shitting towny rainbows we lynch him today. We learn nothing by shooting him.
Could you please explain your Foolishness read in more detail now like you promised earlier? I still think your change from "mouth already full" to totes scum makes no sense the way you presented it.
The same goes for you Koshi, so BANKS I would recommend not shooting Koshi. Koshi said it himself but I think it is kinda true that he would not lead a lynch that way as scum. I mean he could be scum but he will be readable in the future. We need to get rid of the question marks who will remain question marks all game and we sadly have plenty of them this game. Examples: slam, RoL, gumshoe... if you have some kind of scumread on one of those people they make a better shot than the vocal guys.
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On April 29 2014 21:44 Koshi wrote:
FOOLISHNESS, CEPHIRO, JAT, ALAKASLAM
ENDGAME BRAGGING RIGHTS.
Cool story bro. Now try again with some kind of reasoning.
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Yeah I actually agree. Peace-cop JAT is probably mafia.
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On April 29 2014 22:30 Koshi wrote:
So I can brag endgame?
If you think you can brag with those reads endgame you have to have some reasons for them, correct? Believe it or not I want to hear them.
Normally you are an easy townread at this point and I really need townreads because very few people are really towny this game and asshole scummers shot 2 of them last night. I have the nagging feeling that you are town but your play doesn't suggest that at all.
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So Palmar, why is Peace-cop JAT mafia? You had me as slightly towny before. Am I mafia in your eyes because I don't want the vocal people to be shot?
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On April 29 2014 17:53 Koshi wrote:
geript got shot. Things we learn from his filter:
1) Oats is town
2) Alakaslam is town
3) Cephiro needs to be shot really badly. geript was on Cephiro ass.
4) Foolishness is weird and needs to be shot.
5) Plammer is playing Dota and needs to be shot.
6) RoL useless should be shot.
7) Koshi is scum
8) SnB is scum
SnB was wrong about the last 2 but still got shot. This means he got a pretty decent % right on the other 6. I have read his entire filter twice now and I don't think I missed another big read of his. He had Sandroba as town, so that's something he was right about, but it is not something he would get shot over knowing that Sandroba got shot as well.
So please reread geript his filter as well and please let me know if I missed something. I am pretty sure I didn't. There is something minor on prplhz but nothing too big. His early filter was about Policy lynch Caller and Koshi.
So let me add something about this Koshi guy. This Koshi guy is totally not harmful. Almost every time it gets very obvious the longer the game progresses that this Koshi guy only wants the best for town. So I would say please leave the Koshi guy alone and not shoot him. Really. No kidding here. No bullets towards Koshi.
So imo the vigis should really shoot Cephiro, Palmar, Foolishness. Just all 3. Shoot them. I see Palmar even agrees on Foolishness and Cephiro.
Wow Koshi, this is like the worst post you could've made. I don't even know why I'm pointing out how bad your post is since it's so obvious.
1) We don't know if you are scum or not.
2) Geript being confirmed town does not mean his opinions are correct. We only know they come from a town player. He was wrong on SnB. You claim he's wrong on you. But for your convinience, he's right in everything else? This logic is so utterly... that even calling it retarded is an understatement. You know better.
Point of interest: Geript was Town Martyr. Who's to say he didn't just sacrifice himself last night? Is there a single reason why that could not be the case? The nightpost says he died, but the player list says he was shot. Which brings me to..
Is there different death flavor for dying from a different cause?
In case there is something I misunderstood about how a martyr works, then cool, just call me bad and we'll agree that geript was shot. Could very well be the case.
On April 29 2014 21:13 Palmar wrote:
Like does no one but me care that Ceph is literally claiming traitor?
Maybe others are smart enough to understand that... I'm not?
On April 29 2014 21:19 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2014 22:18 Cephiro wrote:
Koshi: How does he know there is a traitor? Unless he simply pointed out that he's one and wants to be recruited. Scumbag.
This somewhat indicates that Cephiro knows there is a traitor while he didn't read the OP. So yeah, this might have been a slip.
Or, maybe it just indicates that I missed it while reading the OP, and asked since I was confused how you could know there is one (since, at that time I thought there wasn't a chance of one existing.) But whatever paints me red, right?
On April 29 2014 21:39 justanothertownie wrote:
I noticed that too. The problem here is that I would not put it past Cephiro to do this as town for some weird ass play. He totally claimed traitor with the recruiting stuff and the "don't shoot me it's not worth it" etc.
Do you think he would be this obvious as scum?
I mean he is a decent shot don't get me wrong, but I am not sure about his alignment.
First guy whose thought process goes further than "I think X means Y, so Y."
Palmar, you should try being more like JAT.
The last line is hilarious though. So because you're unsure about my alignment, I'm a good shot? Leaving me unflipped? Yeah, that's a terrific idea. So... care to elaborate why do you think I'm a decent shot if I'm town? I mean... if you wanted me dead, wouldn't it be better to know what alignment I am? (PS: I think we're on different sides, you're looking really scummy.)
On April 29 2014 22:30 Koshi wrote:
So I can brag endgame?
If being horribly wrong is anything to brag about.. yes.
To elaborate on the above discussion about me being traitor..
I always say trying to metagame me is a horrible idea. Which is true. However, I find it hilarious with most of the players that are trying to make me look bad with metagame analysis refer to a very small sample size. Such as, because I was lurky last game and scum = I must be scum this game because I didn't contribute much during the first cycle.
I have tendency of bringing chaos, both as scum and as town. Most of you consider me a decent player as far as I know. So that brings me to my next point...
If I was the traitor, why would I be so blunt about it? Claiming traitor just gets one killed as far as I know. A traitor is of no benefit to town, nor mafia if revealed.
If I am not the traitor...
---> a) Does it really look like I'm trying to be the traitor? If so, why?
---> b) Or do I simply wish to be included in the mason group?
Again, I will leave it to your judgement which is more likely. If you need help to answering any of the questions I presented, ask and I will answer. The reason I'm not typing out everything is to try and get some of the more narrow-minded players to look broader at the beautiful horizon and what it beholds. Everything isn't what it may seem to be.
We come to the next point... why try to appear as something I'm not?
Well... first off, I could still be what I appear to be. But in the case of the people that think of me as a traitor currently, that's not the case. Let's look at a few possible scenarios:
a) If I was scum.. then trying to appear something else than what I am is obvious.
b) If I am town... then it comes down to branching options:
b1) I have a role
b2) I don't have a role
Let's say that I have a role. There are various ones which work differently. Now, I'm fairly sure all of the players in this game have enough smarts to figure out why not letting your role be known at this stage of the game is reasonable in several positions.
Tip: Maybe I don't want others to know I have one. Or perhaps I want to look like a stronger role than I really am.
Let's say I don't have a role. I'm sure most of you reading at this point should get my thought process to some extent by now. Yes, correct. I may want to pretend I have a role in order to seem more powerful or to cause things I normally might not be able to. Or maybe I'd do it even just to act as a fake martyr, pretend to be a vital asset for town whereas being a simple VT. If successful, scum will have eliminated a "powerless" player compared to one with extra assets.
On April 28 2014 09:06 Cephiro wrote:
#Kill: Blazinghand
#Nuke: Blazinghand
Now for something which I think only Alakaslam picked up on. The above is not a valid action (or should not be, at least.)
Which means... none of you can say for certain what role I am, if I have a special one.
Well, we could assume there aren't multiple martyrs nor pardoners, which is a relatively safe bet.
Even then, it leaves a lot of heroic roles to choose from.
Am I a mere peasant with only the might of my word?
Am I a silent assassin, ready to kill anyone when I feel the moment is right?
Am I the hero this town needs?
Wait and see.
For those remaining allies of the green kingdom that consider me as a valuable asset, fear not, I will share my thoughts with you soon, whether they are correct or not.
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Messed up the formatting a bit, here are the first quotes missing from my last post. Nothing too important, really.
On April 29 2014 09:31 geript wrote:
He's a decent player and the last time he was a shitty lurker like this he was mafia.
My activity in any game does not correlate with my alignment, at all. I have had both incredibly active games as town and scum, as well as lurked as both alignments.
On April 29 2014 12:14 Ace wrote:
also this confirms Cephiro is Town
For those that didn't get this, it's merely a play on his earlier message where he makes an awesome correlation between being town and having no signature. I don't have one, thus I'm town. Clearly, it's not indicative of his real opinion. I'd suppose.
About Slam: I really, really dislike how since taking the shot (with bad reasoning, as known to most) his play has gone from the 50/50 between insanity and firm opinions into just sitting there with a finger in his mouth, wondering what went wrong and being all clueless. Maybe you shot scum, maybe you didn't. Just because many players (including me) considered him as town doesn't mean he necessarily was. Move on, and make the following actions with better judgement.
On April 29 2014 17:32 Palmar wrote:
Cephiro (because traitor claim)
L-o-l.
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Cephiro.
How many scumreads do you have?
When will you say something interesting?
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On April 29 2014 22:49 Cephiro wrote:
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Is there different death flavor for dying from a different cause?
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No. There is no difference in "flavor" between a martyr dying normally and dying to protect someone else.
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##vote Palmar
No clue what Alakaslam was referring to.
Cephiro giving me mad good hippie vybzez. poofter too. Koshi is boss as always.
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Hey Koshi?
What are your thoughts on Poofter's 'association tell' calling me scum?
I know you can't really compare between people but HF's recent idea to make bad association cases on purpose as scum kinda resonated with me.
No idea where I'm going with this honestly
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On April 29 2014 22:36 justanothertownie wrote:If you think you can brag with those reads endgame you have to have some reasons for them, correct? Believe it or not I want to hear them. Normally you are an easy townread at this point and I really need townreads because very few people are really towny this game and asshole scummers shot 2 of them last night. I have the nagging feeling that you are town but your play doesn't suggest that at all.
My eyes have been opened.
This looks like 'Oh balls, they's catching on, no reasoning though---hmm I can discredit here.'
Also probably thought Cephiro was town until that traitor shit was pointed out to me which seems really damn obvious, including his recent attempts to defend himself.
I dunno I think I just have to find someone to sheep all game. Maybe I'll make like Koshi and listen to dead geript for once?
I don't think I can play this kind of format again it's killing my activity and motivation. It's funny I yelled at Slam/called him scum for saying I don't care about the game but this may be the game I've cared about the least in like, ever.
Someone give me something to do. Austin you're good at that.
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On April 29 2014 23:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
Hey Koshi?
What are your thoughts on Poofter's 'association tell' calling me scum?
I know you can't really compare between people but HF's recent idea to make bad association cases on purpose as scum kinda resonated with me.
No idea where I'm going with this honestly
I saw it. But you were a "light read". I am waiting to see how the not light reads go. He is making a big thing out of nothing and is saying if he was wrong about me he is probably wrong about you... But he is wanting to shoot me so he will never know... w.e Poofter is in my crosshairs. We will watch what he does. But I have to tread lightely because if he shoots me and is town we are fucked in the ass. I am going to make sure he doesn't shoot me if he is town.
Currently he wants to shoot me over Foolishness which is extremely strange imo. If you have both Foolishness and Koshi as scumreads I think as town you would always shoot Foolishness because of Sandroba.
I need to see how these 2 other scum cases go to see if Poofter is scummy or not. He promised 2.
My post on geript his reads being right is probably indeed complete shit. If geript saved somebody his reads don't mean that much at all. Alakaslam looks pretty bad, Oats looks just strange. He looks like giant lynchbait and he doesn't look like that normally. Look at his scumgame in PYP, look at his scumgame in Catastrophe, he isn't this meh D1 as scum. Because we can't be sure that geript was shot by mafia, I can't make these conclusions anymore.
Then the question is. Is poofter making a case on me because he knows my posts are total shit? Because he has the answers and while he reads my posts he just goes "amagad this Koshi dude is so fucking wrong, let's push this retard."
We will see.
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On April 29 2014 23:16 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2014 22:36 justanothertownie wrote:On April 29 2014 22:30 Koshi wrote:
So I can brag endgame? If you think you can brag with those reads endgame you have to have some reasons for them, correct? Believe it or not I want to hear them. Normally you are an easy townread at this point and I really need townreads because very few people are really towny this game and asshole scummers shot 2 of them last night. I have the nagging feeling that you are town but your play doesn't suggest that at all. My eyes have been opened. This looks like 'Oh balls, they's catching on, no reasoning though---hmm I can discredit here.' Also probably thought Cephiro was town until that traitor shit was pointed out to me which seems really damn obvious, including his recent attempts to defend himself. I dunno I think I just have to find someone to sheep all game. Maybe I'll make like Koshi and listen to dead geript for once? I don't think I can play this kind of format again it's killing my activity and motivation. It's funny I yelled at Slam/called him scum for saying I don't care about the game but this may be the game I've cared about the least in like, ever. Someone give me something to do. Austin you're good at that.
Well my name starts with A, right?
Hey so look at Odinofpergo during pages 25-30.
Look at the conclusions he draws and try and find the people saying what he thinks folks are saying. Find out who said Ace shot Yamato, for example.
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On April 29 2014 12:17 VayneAuthority wrote:
didnt even know there was vanilla town in this game, what a scrub
lol are you guys fucking kidding me
the guy just softed a blue claim, and there isnt a bomb or meth dealer or w/e role. There's only two reasons why you would do this: either you're a fucking retard that wants to get killed by mafia, or you're actually mafia.
i tend to think better of humanity than to assume everybody is a fucking retard, so VA claim, it's out in the open anyways.
##vote: VayneAuthority
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Odin looks like town Odin to me, but I think he still may fall into the 'noob' category, in which case you'd have to lynch him as you always to the opposite of what my reads for newbies are.
Slam you yourself are not off the hook. I can't at all correlate reasons you've given for why you thought shooting yamato OR ME would be a good idea.
Koshi your point re:geript makes a lot of sense----only thing that recently struck me is that clarification as to geript's death could be a very sneaky question from scum to try and figure out the role use. I'm keeping that in my back pocket right now despite my townread of you. As to his reads, I think I'm pretty recently motivated to actually do a re-read of the game since it's not particularly long. Effort may go a longer way in this game than usual and I'm kind of sick of being wrong w/respect to my reads.
I <3 geript but the shot DID seem silly especially from what I still believe to be a likely scumteam largely composed of 'vets' who wouldn't be threatened by him. It certainly explains the sandroba shot despite him not looking too great (imo) and not accomplishing a whole lot. The thing is though, I don't see geript randomly sacrificing himself this early in the game. He clearly was very active and had a lot left to do---in his mind I don't see him at all finding someone else's protection more important than his own. He was almost certainly shot, so it was either a blue-sniping attempt (VA?  ) and/or geript crumbed something they picked up on, or like I said, the scumteam is largely composed of the vets that would otherwise be shot on N1, and geript was on to stuff. I am leaning towards the second option since the combination of kills is really good evidence. Sandroba is threatening to people who know him, as he can be a lategame monster for town if he puts the effort in. Makes sense that a scumteam of vets would want to remove him...but then why would said people bother with geript? He's certainly not 'known' for anything special, really. Simply because he was the best target available to the scumteam. If the vets were similarly scared of another 'vet' then they would have shot that person. This means they must have been scared enough of geript to place him above other 'vets' in priority, AND/OR those vets are ON the scumteam. I don't believe shooting to avoid protection to be a major factor here as there were no obvious protect targets in my opinion.
I have no idea where the above just came from, I was inspired I guess. I like my theory though and now I finally have a moving point for this game. Gotta remember to do vote analysis too later. People are welcome to comment.
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On April 29 2014 23:16 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2014 22:36 justanothertownie wrote:On April 29 2014 22:30 Koshi wrote:
So I can brag endgame? If you think you can brag with those reads endgame you have to have some reasons for them, correct? Believe it or not I want to hear them. Normally you are an easy townread at this point and I really need townreads because very few people are really towny this game and asshole scummers shot 2 of them last night. I have the nagging feeling that you are town but your play doesn't suggest that at all. My eyes have been opened. This looks like 'Oh balls, they's catching on, no reasoning though---hmm I can discredit here.' Also probably thought Cephiro was town until that traitor shit was pointed out to me which seems really damn obvious, including his recent attempts to defend himself. I dunno I think I just have to find someone to sheep all game. Maybe I'll make like Koshi and listen to dead geript for once? I don't think I can play this kind of format again it's killing my activity and motivation. It's funny I yelled at Slam/called him scum for saying I don't care about the game but this may be the game I've cared about the least in like, ever. Someone give me something to do. Austin you're good at that.
Because asking for reasoning is totally scummy after all... I understand that you think this game sucks WoS. I share that feeling mainly because of the post restriction and because half of the people aren't even playing but why should other people put effort in if you don't?
Koshi promised explanation and didn't deliver. His scumteam makes 0 sense since I wouldn't mind seeing all of the other 3 people he called scum dead. The difference is though that I would rather see foolishness lynched than shot. Cephiro and slam are both decent shots because the chance of them being traitor/scum is quite high and they are lynchbait anyways should they be town.
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On April 30 2014 00:15 WaveofShadow wrote:Odin looks like town Odin to me, but I think he still may fall into the 'noob' category, in which case you'd have to lynch him as you always to the opposite of what my reads for newbies are. Slam you yourself are not off the hook. I can't at all correlate reasons you've given for why you thought shooting yamato OR ME would be a good idea. Koshi your point re:geript makes a lot of sense----only thing that recently struck me is that clarification as to geript's death could be a very sneaky question from scum to try and figure out the role use. I'm keeping that in my back pocket right now despite my townread of you. As to his reads, I think I'm pretty recently motivated to actually do a re-read of the game since it's not particularly long. Effort may go a longer way in this game than usual and I'm kind of sick of being wrong w/respect to my reads. I <3 geript but the shot DID seem silly especially from what I still believe to be a likely scumteam largely composed of 'vets' who wouldn't be threatened by him. It certainly explains the sandroba shot despite him not looking too great (imo) and not accomplishing a whole lot. The thing is though, I don't see geript randomly sacrificing himself this early in the game. He clearly was very active and had a lot left to do---in his mind I don't see him at all finding someone else's protection more important than his own. He was almost certainly shot, so it was either a blue-sniping attempt (VA? ) and/or geript crumbed something they picked up on, or like I said, the scumteam is largely composed of the vets that would otherwise be shot on N1, and geript was on to stuff. I am leaning towards the second option since the combination of kills is really good evidence. Sandroba is threatening to people who know him, as he can be a lategame monster for town if he puts the effort in. Makes sense that a scumteam of vets would want to remove him...but then why would said people bother with geript? He's certainly not 'known' for anything special, really. Simply because he was the best target available to the scumteam. If the vets were similarly scared of another 'vet' then they would have shot that person. This means they must have been scared enough of geript to place him above other 'vets' in priority, AND/OR those vets are ON the scumteam. I don't believe shooting to avoid protection to be a major factor here as there were no obvious protect targets in my opinion. I have no idea where the above just came from, I was inspired I guess. I like my theory though and now I finally have a moving point for this game. Gotta remember to do vote analysis too later. People are welcome to comment.
HIJOLE 
What then, who is up? People want to out foolishness, palmar
Ace, he likes my sexy for mislynch too much
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we're ignoring all the other crap you guys are spouting, half of you are chasing your own tails and the other half of you are mafia. we're focusing on this now.
On April 30 2014 00:14 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2014 12:17 VayneAuthority wrote:
didnt even know there was vanilla town in this game, what a scrub lol are you guys fucking kidding me the guy just softed a blue claim, and there isnt a bomb or meth dealer or w/e role. There's only two reasons why you would do this: either you're a fucking retard that wants to get killed by mafia, or you're actually mafia. i tend to think better of humanity than to assume everybody is a fucking retard, so VA claim, it's out in the open anyways. ##vote: VayneAuthority
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