Okay, so you claim your kill would be tamburini.

Let's say hypothetically you were not vigi. And somehow you magically have a gun.

Why would you shoot the possible only vigi within the game?

Give me your reasons.

27ninjabunnies

United States2486 Posts

May 02 2014 01:20 GMT

#722

@ Sqrt As in, what information do you think you will gain?

sqrtofneg1

Canada1159 Posts

May 02 2014 01:30 GMT

#723

I asked: if you were vigi, not if you magically had a gun.
If you were vigi, it's really unlikely that tambo isn't vigi. So I would shoot him. To see if he's SK, or mafia.

27ninjabunnies

United States2486 Posts

May 02 2014 01:32 GMT

#724

On May 02 2014 10:30 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
I asked: if you were vigi, not if you magically had a gun.
If you were vigi, it's really unlikely that tambo isn't vigi. So I would shoot him. To see if he's SK, or mafia.

You are not answering my question.
Unless you are vigi, you dont have a gun. So Im magically giving you one.

Now, answer my question.

sqrtofneg1

Canada1159 Posts

May 02 2014 01:53 GMT

#725

Well, if I were vigi, I would kill tambo.
If I magically had a gun, but not vigi, I would kill ahs or maybe Eden.

27ninjabunnies

United States2486 Posts

May 02 2014 01:55 GMT

#726

@sqrt Thank you for answering.

So do you think tamburini is actual vigi?

sqrtofneg1

Canada1159 Posts

May 02 2014 01:56 GMT

#727

Right now? Not really.

sqrtofneg1

Canada1159 Posts

May 02 2014 01:57 GMT

#728

But kind of. idk, I'm 50/50 right now.

27ninjabunnies

United States2486 Posts

May 02 2014 02:10 GMT

#729

@sqrt Okay, what are you reasons on why you don't think tamburini as vigi?

sqrtofneg1

Canada1159 Posts

May 02 2014 02:12 GMT

#730

The vigi claim came at a strange time. Yes, he was under a bit of pressure, but still, I think he would have waited more.
Also, he says in that same post that he didn't read the whole thing before saying that he's vigi. It's fishy.

mtamburini

Canada506 Posts

May 02 2014 02:35 GMT

#731

On May 02 2014 10:16 27ninjabunnies wrote:

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Okay, so you know a bit about mafia.

True, if you were vigi, tambo would highly unlikely be vigi, unless the host decided to put two vigis in (which to me seems a little op).

But why bring this point up sqrt?

What do you have to gain from this questioning, unless you are the actual vigi?

Gamblers fallacy, there can be more than one of the same role in this game.

27ninjabunnies

United States2486 Posts

May 02 2014 02:51 GMT

#732

On May 02 2014 11:35 mtamburini wrote:

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Gamblers fallacy, there can be more than one of the same role in this game.

Oh yes, I know this.

I think it would be op to have 2 vigis, but it is possible.

Sqrt's questioning is just throwing me off.

sqrtofneg1

Canada1159 Posts

May 02 2014 02:51 GMT

#733

Yes, but I don't think it's likely.

sqrtofneg1

Canada1159 Posts

May 02 2014 03:03 GMT

#734

Night guys.

27ninjabunnies

United States2486 Posts

May 02 2014 06:27 GMT

#735

I'm super sad no one is talking at night.

ahswtini

Northern Ireland22212 Posts

May 02 2014 08:10 GMT

#736

On May 02 2014 10:32 27ninjabunnies wrote:

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You are not answering my question.
Unless you are vigi, you dont have a gun. So Im magically giving you one.

Now, answer my question.

Why are you so fixated on fantastical scenarios like people magically having guns? Are you trying to get a list of suspicious townies that would-be vigs would want to shoot, so the scum know who not to target tonight?

27ninjabunnies

United States2486 Posts

May 02 2014 08:27 GMT

#737

On May 02 2014 17:10 ahswtini wrote:

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No basically the reason why I questioned it was because it seemed as sqrt was softing vigilante. As if his shot was going to be on tamburini. His questioning was weird to me.

So I asked if he wasn't vigilante, but had a gun, would he still shoot tamburini?

This gives me a read of whether or not he would take a chance to shoot the vgi, or try and hit mafia outside of tamburini in order to find information.

Amiko

United States1725 Posts

May 02 2014 16:00 GMT

#738

Night Discussion
I think talking at night is good. Just generally, don't claim a role or an action unless it's just before deadline.
I feel we should be looking at the votes for yesterday so I'll do that a little now.

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Vote thoughts-

(1) Vote Spread
If the prevailing wagons (sweetfrost we know was not; mtamburini we think is not) are both non-scum, then mafia has little reason to join the wagons since they don't have a preference as to who ends up getting lynched.

(2) I feel Eden is less likely to be scum based on his activity around the vote.
This is based on Eden asking players to move onto mtamburini from SweetFrost.
If we go with the prevailing thoughts that mtamburini is probably vigilante/sk (not scum), it seems like scum-Eden wouldn't have a strong preference between the two because either way, the lynch gets a non-scum.
One way this explanation might make sense is if Eden was trying to save yell0w by killing vig/sk (mtamburini). I think this is pretty unlikely, however, because an Eden/yell0w scumteam seems inconsistent with Eden's push onto yell0w d1.

(3) I have a thought on existence of certain roles based on the vote patterns, but it's not something I want to discuss right now.

(4) We do see Epishade and sqrt voting together (on Eden and Sweetfrost). Both also appear in each others' filters quite a bit.
@sqrt: Can you explain your current reads on Epishade & dravenor?
@Epishade: Can you explain current reads on sqrt & dravenor?
I'm interested in including reads on dravenor because he ended the day voting on Epishade.

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Amiko

United States1725 Posts

May 02 2014 16:17 GMT

#739

Things to keep in mind that I don't feel help scum:
- Mafia KP is always going to be one. If no kill comes from scum, it's due to (a) a roleblocker targeting the scumplayer who is doing the kill; (b) jailer protection on the kill target; (c) serial killer protection taking a hit; (d) mafia not killing.

Based on that, if we see more than one kill tonight, we know there is at least one vigilante/serial killer in the game.

- If you are roleblocked tonight, you should be notified (even if you have no role). I think town should almost always claim if they are roleblocked.
There is a potential downside (ex: it can inform scum there is a town roleblocker/jailer) but I feel it's usually more beneficial to town.

I have also have an idea about scum/tamburini night actions but those can come tomorrow if I'm alive or maybe at the end of night.

Amiko

United States1725 Posts

May 02 2014 16:22 GMT

#740

@mtamburini: Please talk about Eden's case on yell0w sometime early d2 ( http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/447955-newbie-mini-mafia-lv?page=22#439 )
Remember if you are town you should help with analysis and comments, not just shooting.