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On May 02 2014 08:28 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Okay, so he was town, but luckily just town and not a role.
Which means we have two roles still alive (and this is what I am stating as a possibility).
I feel bad about voting him off, but then again, he had done nothing to try and sway our votes off of him. Even as just a vt, you'd think he's fight to the death (I know I would).
Tamburini, I suggest to you that you claim your night kill closer towards the end of the night, that way mafia can't blitz at last second if they do not have a role blocker.
Also, I'm going to reread Sweet's filter to find anything that stands out, and anyone who had addressed him. I hope I'll have something substantial to give to town after I read.
How do you know we have 2 roles still alive?
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Edit: More than two roles. My bad. I'm used to the blue text for roles being 3p roles. I should read better.
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Assuming mtamborini isn't mafia (which I think is safe, shout at me if you don't), the two lynch candidates were not members of the mafia. Things to look at:
- Outliers, outliers, outliers. Sweetfrost was lynched with 4 votes out of 13. That's barely 30% of the total number of players in this game. The alternative wagon was mtamburini with 3 votes. Between them that's under half the players. And we know the mafia had no particular incentive to favor one lynch over the other, so being on an outlier, away from the main conversation, fits. Specifically we need to look at people who didn't make strong cases and/or didn't push strongly for them.
- Interactions. Not just Sweetfrost's suspects, though those should be looked at, but how did he interact with people and more importantly how did other people react to him?
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I agree Eden... Wow... So townie... Why do I not want to like you?
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There's no guarantee that there even is a blue role. Although there probably is 2 or 3.
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Everyone, look through sweetfrost's filters, and tell us your thoughts! Go!
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Well, it's short. I can't seem to find anything really useful. I think it'd be more useful to look at the whole thread and see other people's reactions to him.
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Okay, first time sweetfrost's name is mentioned is when eden votes him here:
On April 29 2014 12:15 Eden1892 wrote:
Right, then, time to get to work.
##VOTE: Sweetfrost
He hadn't even posted when this happened.
Bunnies questions it, and eden explains it.
After a bit, Amiko asks ahs the following:
On April 30 2014 02:27 Amiko wrote:
@ashwtini:
-snip-
- Any thoughts on sweetfrost at this point in the game?
Epishade's read on sweetfrost:
On April 30 2014 03:32 Epishade wrote:Ok guys, I'm back for a bit before I need to get to class. I'll give some thoughts on current situation. Sweetfrost: 5 minutes after Dfs brings up that Sqrt clears Yellow as town, Sweetfrost restates what Dfs says without adding anything new from his own opinion. He does give his opinion on Bunny though by saying that he thinks Bunny is acting too hard as town and thinks it is making her look like a Scum trying to get town support. I disagree with this as I feel that Bunny was trying to get information. He also mentions her defending him when he got random voted by Eden as a possible support for his idea that Bunny was trying to gather town support, but I disagree with this too, as she didn't really defend him. This is all that she said: Show nested quote +On April 29 2014 12:27 27ninjabunnies wrote:On April 29 2014 12:15 Eden1892 wrote:
Right, then, time to get to work.
##VOTE: Sweetfrost I mean, I'm all for reaction testing, but can someone explain to me why this is okay to do, and what I did apparently is scummy as fuck? Especially when I havent seen sweetfrost talk once? I don't see that as defending him at all. Eden casted his vote on Sweetfrost only because he hasn't spoken yet because he was in a different timezone. The vote didn't really mean anything, but Sweetfrost seemed to think he was defended by Bunny from the vote, or at least wanted people to think that was what happened. He also agrees on lynching Yellow without much provocation. I'm leaning scum on Sweetfrost for now. If Yellow does get lynched and flips scum, Sweetfrost clears town for me.
You know what, I'm getting lazy.
Epishade brings up point against sweetfrost, bunnies agrees, votes sweetfrost, and then epishade votes sweetfrost. Notice anything funny? It looks to me like epishade was sheeping off of bunnies. Epishade then unvotes him, and then revotes him promptly after, maybe to make it look less suspicious. He then switches to Eden, sheeping off of me, and then back to sweetfrost.
From his play, Epishade looked a lot more like town.
But from the looks of the votes, Epishade is mafia.
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Shoot, didn't put down the point that epishade brought up in the post. Here it is:
On April 30 2014 15:29 Epishade wrote:
So looking back through again, it seems I have missed something. I hadn't seen the vote count until after posting this but,
Sweetfrost actually voted for Sqrt while Tamburini voted for Yellow. That is quite strange to me, but Sweetfrost could have been keeping his vote on Sqrt early, just to switch on Yellow when more people jumped on Yellow so he doesn't look as scummy. His rationale for voting Sqrt was just that he thought either Bunny or Yellow was scum, but not both, so he didn't want to risk it and voted Sqrt. I don't think anybody else has any real fear of Bunny being actual scum right now, and her actions read town to me, so I think Sqrt was covering his tracks through his action here, ready to switch the vote out later when people started calling Yellow scum again.
This is after Epishade townreads sweetfrost.
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Anyone still around? Care to tell me if I'm being paranoid?
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I am home now and going to post real quick before I make some dinner.
Now that I can sit down and actually read through what I missed, I don't know how those of you here didn't 100% read him as town. If he is mafia or a role in that scenario he would have been wayyyyyy more desperate to stay alive. I simply don't understand how you read his posts and don't think he is town. On top of that there were basically 3 votes in rapid succession on Sweet for what I thought was the worst reasoning of the day.
On May 02 2014 08:39 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Well, it's short. I can't seem to find anything really useful. I think it'd be more useful to look at the whole thread and see other people's reactions to him.
I think this post is funny because: #1 the only person that Sweet seemed to have a particularly strong scum read on was you.
And I also think that you missed the context in which his early posts came. He liked me a lot, partly because he liked my reads but I felt mostly because my reads were independent and different from the momentum of the game at that time. There was a lot of anti-tamburini people at that time and a lot of people thinking what he found on yell0w was complete crap. I find it suspicious that the same people who were primarily leading that charge early on were the same people that lynched him. So either they are a group of townies who are just straight reading the game wrong or we got some scum pushing agendas.
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Rit, I would like you to tell me what you think of the sweetfrost lynch.
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On May 02 2014 09:10 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Rit, I would like you to tell me what you think of the sweetfrost lynch.
Did you not read my last post? Or anything I have posted for that matter?
I think it was a BW that happened quickly and for the worst reasoning of the day. Particularly after he started typing toward the end. I think there was certainly 1 mafia on it, being Epishade, and potentially 2; second being you. If I had enough time to check my phone 1 more time before the voting ended I would have taken Amiko's advice and switched my vote to you.
Outside of that I feel my stances on everything that happened during the day phase is pretty plain, you just have to read my posts.
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You guys talk to much im trying to sleep... LOL
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I meant the question in a different way. You're thinking about what happened. I want to know where you're gonna go from here now, and how sweetfrost flipping town affected your thoughts.
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On May 02 2014 09:27 mtamburini wrote:
You guys talk to much im trying to sleep... LOL
I thought you were gonna shoot someone during the night?
Not much time for sleeping if you're out and trying to find your target?
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On May 02 2014 09:00 sqrtofneg1 wrote:Shoot, didn't put down the point that epishade brought up in the post. Here it is: Show nested quote +On April 30 2014 15:29 Epishade wrote:
So looking back through again, it seems I have missed something. I hadn't seen the vote count until after posting this but,
Sweetfrost actually voted for Sqrt while Tamburini voted for Yellow. That is quite strange to me, but Sweetfrost could have been keeping his vote on Sqrt early, just to switch on Yellow when more people jumped on Yellow so he doesn't look as scummy. His rationale for voting Sqrt was just that he thought either Bunny or Yellow was scum, but not both, so he didn't want to risk it and voted Sqrt. I don't think anybody else has any real fear of Bunny being actual scum right now, and her actions read town to me, so I think Sqrt was covering his tracks through his action here, ready to switch the vote out later when people started calling Yellow scum again. This is after Epishade townreads sweetfrost.
I think you made a mistake, I didn't townread sweetfrost. I scumread him with my scumteam post, and then I made this post because his vote made little sense to me. It kind of contradicted with what I thought earlier about the scumteam consolidating votes, but then I found reasoning for it (in that he could switch later) and wanted to explain that as an appendage to my scumteam post.
Sweetfrost did little to actually defend himself. Lynching him gave us information to move forward. It sucks that he ended up being town, but I don't think voting for him was the "wrong" move given the information we had to work with at the time.
As for your claim that I was piggybacking on Bunny's vote on Sweetfrost:
I may have been doing that a bit. I generally want to see what other people think about my theories before I try pushing them. Other people may see things that I overlooked. If it turns out that they agree with them, I figure I didn't overlook anything and I'll continue with my theory. It might make me look scummy, but I think it'd look worse withholding this information if someone else found it later - but I did the same thing before with Tamburini. I made my scumteam post, then Meat agreed with me and voted for Tamburini, and then I voted for Tamburini as well. I believe my theories are correct when I come up with them (who wouldn't believe in their own theories?), but I always accept the possibility that I'm probably way off. I judge other people's acceptance of my theories as to how well my theories are and if I should continue with them or not.
Even if Bunny didn't end up voting for Sweetfrost though, I still would have. It was a toss-up between Tamburini and Sweetfrost for me, and I felt that Sweetfrost was a better pick between the two.
I did switch a lot too. One of those switches was on Eden, but that was only because I thought there could only be 1 potential vigi in the game. Eden cleared that up for me and I admit I read the rules wrong. And, hell, everyone was just arguing for and against Tamburini and Sweetfrost that I didn't know who to pick. Ended up going with Sweetfrost in the end obv, but I didn't make up my mind until a couple hours before the lynch.
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On May 02 2014 09:29 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
I meant the question in a different way. You're thinking about what happened. I want to know where you're gonna go from here now, and how sweetfrost flipping town affected your thoughts.
You asked what I thought about a previous event...dunno how I was supposed to get to future implications from that.
Personally I am going to have to agree with Tamburini on this one. Talking too much at night is just plain bad imo. I have my interpretation of what happened and a path that I will personally push for if I am alive. Explaining that now I don't really see as the greatest idea. That, and results of night actions could change that pov.
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On May 02 2014 09:37 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2014 09:29 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
I meant the question in a different way. You're thinking about what happened. I want to know where you're gonna go from here now, and how sweetfrost flipping town affected your thoughts. You asked what I thought about a previous event...dunno how I was supposed to get to future implications from that. Personally I am going to have to agree with Tamburini on this one. Talking too much at night is just plain bad imo. I have my interpretation of what happened and a path that I will personally push for if I am alive. Explaining that now I don't really see as the greatest idea. That, and results of night actions could change that pov.
Can you explain why this is for me, as a new player?
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On May 02 2014 09:40 Epishade wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2014 09:37 ritoky wrote:On May 02 2014 09:29 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
I meant the question in a different way. You're thinking about what happened. I want to know where you're gonna go from here now, and how sweetfrost flipping town affected your thoughts. You asked what I thought about a previous event...dunno how I was supposed to get to future implications from that. Personally I am going to have to agree with Tamburini on this one. Talking too much at night is just plain bad imo. I have my interpretation of what happened and a path that I will personally push for if I am alive. Explaining that now I don't really see as the greatest idea. That, and results of night actions could change that pov. Can you explain why this is for me, as a new player?
If you explain what you are thinking and the direction you want to go during the night phase, from my previous experience it can result in disaster. For example: say you're completely right in everything you believe and you say it all during the night, then the mafia can simply kill you to try and nip it in the bud. Say you're completely wrong in everything you believe, then the mafia can kill you and say "hey look that person is confirmed town, let's look more closely into who they were suspicious of".
The positive is that it gets more information out there which is good for town, the negative is that it gives the mafia more options and paints larger targets on people. At least that is my personal opinion on the matter. I can understand if you disagree.
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