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On April 14 2014 10:44 getmoript wrote: Day 1 starts in What is this early start nonsense? | ||
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My town play is really stalk heavy. I watch all of you. All of you, when you post, when you sleep, when you work, when you eat. I might come out of nowhere with random people to lynch for random reasons. They did come out true though. I would define my town play as systematic instead of impulsive, I don't care about collateral damage, sharp and decisive over overly cautious. In this game you have already called 2 people scum for supposed scum slips. Am I to assume that you have now 180° on your own meta so quickly? This doesn't look very systematic to me, it looks like the complete opposite. You jump on people and call them scum without much basis and state that you are helping the town by making a pro-town atmosphere of sophisticated discussion when, instead, you are steering people in a very specific direction on a point of view that seems entirely skewed on pushing an agenda. | ||
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On April 15 2014 21:45 kushm4sta wrote: O Kochi I got you mixed up with some other dude. Skan you realize you might be roleblocked ... There's 3 possible scenario's here (although only if RB's are notified which OP doesn't mention AFAIK): 1) He is VT claiming a role and in which case he draws a RB and real roles can get on. 2) He is vig and draws a RB for better roles that give information. 3) He is mafia and has to claim being RB which enables all town roles to do their stuff. | ||
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On April 15 2014 21:48 kushm4sta wrote: Don't like. The supposition that he is pushing a scum agenda by pointing out scum slips is ridiculous. There is no supposition. His own definition of his play denotes that he is not impulsive but instead is systematic and decisive. I don't see that in him calling 2 people scum so early, especially Skanjab1s who is most likely town for that claim. | ||
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On April 15 2014 21:57 Koshi wrote: I fixed that for you. Because that addendum was bullshit. Why so? He just claimed vig. If he is mafia and claiming vig (which I agree is very very unlikely) then he has to claim being RB'd otherwise it would be incredibly suspicious. There is no way a claimed vig would not get RB'd or claim it if he is mafia because the risk of shooting mafia is always there. | ||
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On April 15 2014 22:03 Koshi wrote: Simply because you are also not yet sure if he is the real vigi y/n. You believe he is VT, then mafia can think he is VT. Then mafia can not RB him. The question is if this lie will be valuable for town in the end. Most of time lies end up bad. Because look how you are thinking. On the one hand you say he can be VT if he draws a RB But if he is VT and he didn't draw a RB you are opening a door to call him scum. This is a silly line of reasoning. I think he is town for his claim. I don't think mafia come in at the start of the day and claim a role out of the blue that can be CC'd. The only scenario in which he could turn out to look mafia is indeed if he is VT, if he doesn't get RB'd and a vig shot goes through. I find that scenario to be such an extreme outlier of a risk for mafia to take that it is a silly line of reasoning to go down at this point. | ||
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On April 15 2014 22:16 Koshi wrote: Is this still about the fact that you added "needs to be RB in case of mafia" and I disagreed with that. No, it's about the fact that I think he is town for when he claimed and how he did it and all situations point to it being beneficial for town but then you determine that there is likely a mafia motive behind the play and talk about mafia gambling plays, which I think at this point is crazy. | ||
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On April 15 2014 22:23 Koshi wrote: So back to useful things. Any scumreads anybody? Does Alakaslam always post like that? | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On April 16 2014 05:55 mderg wrote: Such a great day! I had more than 10 minutes of free time in total. Awesome. Finding townies is not a bi-product of catching scum. Finding townies is great. If someone is confirmed town, you can trust him. Also he won´t be misslynched which increases the probability of lynching scum. Scum can also be found by process of elimination. wtf? I don´t get how claiming vig so early can help town in any way. Please no. What´s the point of that? If you know your town play, you can fake it. A high-post game is not necessarily good for town. If there´s too many posts, it becomes difficult to filter out important information. I´d like to encourage people to a moderate post count, not spamming, no lurking. If all it takes to look like town is to claim vig, I would do that every game i was scum in. Why do you like his claim? Sure, scum has to deal with it but otherwise scum would have had no idea about any power roles That´s not a very strong argument. Blaming a newbie for saying that he´s a newbie cannot convince me in any way. So difficult going through this. The one liners really hurt my reading comprehension. Thank you for your thoughts on individual posts, what I'd really like to know is what conclusions you drew from any of that? Right now your post is a giant wall that says nothing other than you disliked the one liners So difficult going through this. The one liners really hurt my reading comprehension. yet, your post is a giant collective of one liners. What did you hope to achieve by doing this? | ||
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Now, understandably we do not know the circumstances and I'd like to hear more from him but then he returns to the thread after quite some time to post, well, nothing. His only real post is a post to jump on discrediting OmniEulogy (whether justly or not). On April 16 2014 04:05 Cavalinho wrote: Uhh. Also I don't get the points in your post at all. I find this an odd behavioural tidbit because IMO this is not a townies mindset. | ||
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On April 16 2014 19:22 Koshi wrote: OneThousandWords Did absolutely NOTHING. Went in an argument with me defending the fact that skanjab HAS TO CLAIM RB OR IS MAFIA ON D2 while OTW himself didn't believe the Vig claim. Then he made some halfassed case on Cavalinho which simply isn't enough for a smurf. Even if Cavalinho is suspicious, it doesn't change the fact OTW has done nothing. Just some silly quotes enabling him to fly under radar. This is categorically false. Where do I state that I don't believe he could be vig? Also, I've seen the word smurf thrown around. If it's used in the same way as MOBA games then you're wrong, I was invited here by a friend from another mafia site. Here is wherein the real problem lies. All the people that you seemingly "like" for things that they have done have quite simply started from posts that I have made. Thrawn's main contributions this game: On April 16 2014 15:52 thrawn2112 wrote: lets lynch mderg On April 16 2014 16:20 thrawn2112 wrote: No. He made a huge post that doesn't contribute anything. He didn't say a single thing that is relevant to the lynch. It's even worse than no scumreads, there are no reads of any kind. He argued his points without giving any indication that he was forming reads based off of the things he was arguing against. This is his first contribution into the thread other than the non-sensical replies to longer posts earlier in his filter and it's just piggybacking off a post that I made earlier in the thread here. This is a relatively easy thing to do as mafia because: A) It lets people appear to be contributing. B) If worded differently but similar it enables people to pocket the other people that made the original case because they have seemingly similar reads. C) To the people that didn't read it they are fooled into believing it is original content. Now, on it's own I know this is not enough, however, thrawn's behaviour is not your typical town behaviour! He flits from one lynch to the next with little explanation. He practically wants to lynch half the game! I've mentioned Mderg before. Here he wants to lynch Kush. + Show Spoiler + On April 16 2014 17:53 thrawn2112 wrote: same for me. becasue of this post He wants to lynch ME which is somewhat of a kick in the teeth seeing as he is the one that is sheeping MY point of view on mderg. What could be the reason for this? Is he not reading what i've written? Nope. It's something about skan and nothing about the actual player that he got his read from. + Show Spoiler + On April 16 2014 19:26 thrawn2112 wrote: 100words is probably my 2nd lynch choice. i almost voted for him instead of that other guy. what stood out to me is how his main talking point was skan's claim and how pointless it was to talk about the claim yet he did nothing but talk about the claim koshi i'll fully read and respond to that meta when i wake up. too tired/tipsy for that right now. but i did skim one of the links and I notice that he likes to argue about stuff without thinking about alignments. so my preliminary answer to you question is yes, the meta does sorta make me uncertain about lnyching him. He wants to policy lynch an AFK player who is talking about nonsense (Alakaslam). He wants to also look into OE who he also says is scummy before even looking into him. This is not what I expect a typical person to do. Usually it's: I'll look into a player ----> Here is why he is scummy. Thrawn's view is. This is a somewhat scummy player ----> Going to go look into him after I've already made my decision about whether he is scummy or not! In conclusion thrawn is a person who, while talking a lot, seems to be a person of fleeting wishes. He is keen to hop onto anyone he can push a lynch onto. He hasn't "read the thread" and pushes others reads as his own. He calls the person he got his case for on his vote choice scum based on early conversation in a time where nothing was happening. ##Vote Thrawn2112 | ||
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On April 16 2014 23:57 kushm4sta wrote: I know thrawn better than anyone and I'm telling you he's town on tone alone. Can you explain this better please? | ||
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On April 16 2014 17:53 thrawn2112 wrote: same for me. becasue of this post On April 16 2014 18:03 thrawn2112 wrote: to clarify the part in parenthsis makes the post..... impossible? if you take out that qualification at the end then the post reads as kush saying that both of "you" are town and that you should realize it and stfu. but the the stuff in parenthesis means that he doesn't know if "you" are town... so if he doesn't know if the two players are town then why is he telling them that they should realize that they are havnig a town vs town argument? On April 16 2014 18:16 Koshi wrote: The first part of sentence can only be made if Kush knows we are both town. But the parenthesis contradicts that. Do you know if RB can block scum NK? What do you have to say to them? To everyone else it seems you are making statements that you can't know unless you have extra information. I want to hear your own reasoning for them. | ||
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On April 17 2014 00:06 kushm4sta wrote: You are essentially scum reading thrawn for not knowing who scum is. Can I explain the tonal difference? not really. Not really, his is playing in a way that is flavour of the month lynching. He also scum reads the person (me) that he shouldn't be if he had read the thread properly because his entire point on his main scum read (mderg) is the point that I originally raised. It shows that he is not reading people, yet still calling them scum when their names pop up. | ||
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What are your intentions behind that? The way it comes across is an attempt at slander to paint me in a negative light. | ||
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The point that I agree on though is that Cav's filter is very one dimensional. It exclusively talks about a player who has not very many posts and afk'd at the start of the game. This would be an easy person to pick on for mafia and the fact that he has no real mention of other players (not just mderg) is slightly more worrying. Then, rather than elaborate on more reads or question things or show his thought process he just defends against accusations more and more when under no real pressure which is odd. @Cav, you mentioned you had a scum read on mderg for similar posting. Why did you not mention him? Have you got a read on any other players at this time? | ||
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On April 17 2014 04:39 Vivax wrote: Current status of reads. Reasoning pending, but ask me about a specific one if you want me to explain it first: Townies: Koshi, Djagu, Cava, thrawn, (~Kush fwiw) Today's lynch candidates (by PoE and cause there is some stuff I don't like): FT, Omni, OTW, OO, mderg Also HI GUYS =D . Rejoice that you got me and not that crazy grush fac-simile Can you elaborate on these....? | ||
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On April 17 2014 04:43 FirmTofu wrote: I'll address your points in order. A) It lets people appear to be contributing. Yes, what thrawn did was a good way to appear like he was contributing. However, everything he said in that quote was absolutely true. mderg's post was useless and served no purpose. I wouldn't hold this point against thrawn. B) If worded differently but similar it enables people to pocket the other people that made the original case because they have seemingly similar reads. IF? Why are you speaking in hypotheticals? It wasn't worded differently, so why are you bringing up a scenario in which it would be? This is an exercise in pointlessness. C) To the people that didn't read it they are fooled into believing it is original content. What does this have to do with anything? If other people didn't read it, how does it make thrawn look more guilty? In sum, your case is awful and you look far worse for having made it. This post is a fruitless attempt to discredit the substance of the original post. I had already brought up mderg's post having no conclusions previously in the thread and so when someone returns to the thread after having ONLY responded with one or two word jokes before and their only contribution is something that I had already mentioned then what benefit have they brought to the table? What extra information is provided. None whatsoever. You answer points A, B and C with points that have no relevance without the context of the rest of the post. | ||
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On April 17 2014 04:45 Vivax wrote: Any preferences? Which ones you disagree with? Why so unspecific? Why do I have to be specific? You replaced a player who has said nothing but spam in the thread so I'd like to know why you think what you do so I can see if what you think aligns with what has happened so far, rather than it being a random list of names with no factual basis. | ||
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On April 17 2014 04:50 FirmTofu wrote: There is no context of the rest of the post. I've read the entire thing and none of it makes any sense to me. Feel free to explain if you can. A mafia's objective is to blend into town and the best way to do that is contribute. When you are mafia it is harder to contribute because psychologically you know all the alignments and it becomes harder to point out things that are scummy. That is why it is a standard mafia tactic to mimic what other people have said previously in the thread. This feigns contribution and makes themselves look good because people seemingly forget what other people had said previously. Thrawn does this with me and mderg. I write about mderg's first post having no conclusions and he mimics it but the caveat is that he calls me scum without actually referencing my contributions, in fact, he ignores them entirely. Furthermore, everytime someone knew is brought up he calls them scummy eving going so far as to call someone scummy before reading them! | ||
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On April 17 2014 04:52 FirmTofu wrote: Why so defensive OTW? He just asked you to pick one or two people for him to elaborate on. I hardly see the defensive nature in that post? In fact it's quite the opposite? | ||
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On April 17 2014 04:55 Vivax wrote: Yeah but you got to have scumreads, right? Townreads? You see the post with my current conclusions about the game and prefer to see me talking about anything I want rather than adjusting your request to your own preferences. Why is that? because they don't align with mine (and i've made it clear in the thread why) and I want to know the specific reasoning, even if just a short sentence or two on each as to why you think differently to me! | ||
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On April 17 2014 05:04 FirmTofu wrote: @OTW Okay, so thrawn is repeating a lot of things previously stated in thread. This is a valid point. However, I don't see this as necessarily scummy. Town players repeat points too and this is a perfectly valid one to reiterate. You'll need better points to convince me thrawn is scum. Also, your recent responses to Vivax and I are not helping your case. I don't mind whatever case it helps me with. It's an exercise in if he has read the thread or not. It's quite evident that I don't agree with thrawn (i've spent the past page explaining it) and I'm not tooo sure on Dja either. Which is why it's odd that he has a list like that and I don't like that it's unsubstantiated. | ||
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On April 17 2014 06:59 Vivax wrote: Yeah, I think you could be scum cause you post cases left and right but don't seem to have a bigger picture of the game, ie you post a lot of points about people being scum but don't seem to want to clear people. So tell me, who are your townreads? If you think this you are not reading anything I say at all. | ||
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On April 17 2014 07:17 Vivax wrote: Koshi, if you think Kush is scum give me a bunch of convincing reasons please. Looking through your filter I find it hard to find something that conclusively deduces from his posts that he's scum. Please, just your current townreads besides the one on the vigi claim. I don't want a shitfight you're attempting to start. What do you mean a shit fight? You've accused me of being scum and don't expect a retort? I've only been pointing out things that seem suspicious or scummy to me and drawing attention to them and trying to discuss them with people. It's people like koshi that completely shut them down with the reason "i'm not going to read anything about my town reads". I don't have many town reads really just the people that have interacted like I think a towny would: Kush, Cav to an extent (although I'm slightly aprehensive), I also like Omni despite what people have said (he's posted what he's been thinking and no sane scum would try and call a claimed vig scum IMO) | ||
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On April 17 2014 07:33 OneThousandWords wrote: What do you mean a shit fight? You've accused me of being scum and don't expect a retort? I've only been pointing out things that seem suspicious or scummy to me and drawing attention to them and trying to discuss them with people. It's people like koshi that completely shut them down with the reason "i'm not going to read anything about my town reads". I don't have many town reads really just the people that have interacted like I think a towny would: Kush, Cav to an extent (although I'm slightly aprehensive), I also like Omni despite what people have said (he's posted what he's been thinking and no sane scum would try and call a claimed vig scum IMO) Actually going to retract my Cav town read | ||
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On April 17 2014 07:41 Vivax wrote: Do you think Koshi is scummy for skipping over your points about his townreads? Do you think that what Omni has been thinking in the post Koshi brought up looks particularly townie? What are your reasons for townreading Cav and Kush? 1. Yes. He's saying that he's happy when he finds townies just like finding mafia and then does a big wall of text quoting things that thrawn has done that make him apparently towny but then I reply just 2 posts down with almost the same posts quoted which show that they in fact make him scummy he completely just ignores the entire post. He's not interested in solving things or listening to opinions of others even if they could be insightful. I was not sure whether it was arrogance or scummy but I think someone (Kush?) mentioned something earlier that made me decide it was scummy. I found the quote: On April 17 2014 02:50 kushm4sta wrote: koshi you don't care about what your top scumread is saying??? ok... that is dumb or scum. ##vote cavalinho Throughout kush's filter he says that koshi seems different, and then this quote somewhat justified my assumption. 2. Koshi asked for YOUR response not mine. I do have an opinion that I'll share once you're done. 3. I've gone off of cav a little after I re-read his filter. He calls me out (something you also did) for scum reading him based on two or three posts (even if he said he liked it in a towny way) but then DIRECTLY after that votes Tofu based on two or three posts. I've put my thoughts out previously in response to Kush's case on Cav though and I rememberd them after I hit send. Kush is just.. talking when nobody else is, having conversations, getting reads from people and saying things that just make sense. He isn't jumping on top of people as scum reads and is in fact defending people when people are saying wrong things which I see as towny because he isn't being opportunistic. | ||
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On April 17 2014 07:55 thrawn2112 wrote: OTW are you a smurf? I don't need to know who. Just tell me if you are. And tell me if you've played with me before. I've already said no, I was invited here by a friend to play. | ||
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On April 17 2014 07:58 Vivax wrote: How's the weather on the barbados? Rainy with chance of turtles? A little bit cloudy but still warm! | ||
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On April 17 2014 07:59 Koshi wrote: OneThousandWords, I didn't comment on the thrawn post because I got thrawn as town but I was ok with your case. I don't agree that thrawn is scum but there is nothing wrong with your case. So I don't post anything. What do you want me to say? It is obvious I don't agree with you on thrawn. Anyway. You shouldn't be on chopping block today as well I guess. As you are contributing. I am voting Omni. Can you write a quick summary of why because I thought he looked towny. | ||
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On April 17 2014 08:22 Koshi wrote: Omni is probably a good lynch. Maybe FT as well. I can get behind a Tofu lynch! I didn't like his niggling responses to me questioning vivax and he voted me for my thrawn case but then when I wrote exactly what was in the case to him after that he said "oh yeh I checked and that's true" but then left his vote on me. | ||
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On April 17 2014 08:27 Vivax wrote: Kush still waiting for you to answer my question, please. What was that supposed to mean about OTW. I could roll with an Omni lynch unless he pops in here and shines townie when clarifying the intent behind those posts, but OTW somewhat still rubs me the wrong way with his answers. I don't even know why I my opinion on that post is a condition to you giving yours, it's like I have to pull the stuff out of your mouth cause you're angry or something. Or do you have a scumread on me or what is wrong with you? Can't you just answer a question like a normal human being? A player specifically asks another player for a read on a post, that player in question then asks ME for that read rather than responding himself. Do you not see how silly that would be for me to do? What if the player in question was trying to form a read based on your response, I've posted a lot in the thread while you have not so why would I not want to let myself and others hear responses from you? | ||
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I'll share my opinion now. I kind of like this post, it calls out a lot of the things that I had been saying but adds to them. I had called out Dja for his meta read of himself that he seemed to betray and dja had only responded with a quote from a book. That is not the response that I would have expected and it seems like Omni mirrored this in his thoughts. I think he's fundamentaly flawed in how he's been taught mafia though and that's where the problem therein lies. He has been taught to just find scum whereas you have been taught that you should find town and scum at the same time because that makes the job easier. It's not a scum slip as you mentioned but rather a clash of two philosophies IMO and thus the rest of his post came to fruition. | ||
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On April 17 2014 08:52 thrawn2112 wrote: ok, he does call koshi scum at the top. but the problem is that the amount of effort need to write that post is disporportionate to how strongly OE felt about his koshi read. if someone makes that kind of post against koshi I expect them to push koshi, not ignore him the rest of the game Well I'm not going to speak for him so I don't know his motivation for it, it looks like he's a bit angry with Koshi if anything. I kind of have to go out now and won't be back before deadline. | ||
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On April 17 2014 08:57 thrawn2112 wrote: yo realize that you are wasting your vote? i'm obviously town and I'm not going to get lynched. I do kind of like your return post (apart from the reads that weren't explained) and that was more along the lines of what I expected vivax to do when he entered. I'm going to do a quick re-read of Tofu just to make sure but my vote is most likely to end up there. | ||
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He returns and then further discredits me in regards to Vivax but doesn't care what's said at that time either. He doesn't seem invested in finding scum. ##Unvote ##Vote FirmTofu | ||
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OneThousandWords Scum for looking for the FT lynch during the day and fucking off as soon as he safely could put his vote on FT. On April 17 2014 20:28 Koshi wrote: OTW IS SO FUCKING SCUM HOLY FUCKING BALLS. HE IS SO FROM TL AS WELL. less certain. Still monies on HF. 1) Makes case on cav who is scum 2) agrees with kush case on cav. but x,y,z who are bullshit makes him town for some reason noboby knows, then adds some extra reasons to why cav is scum. 3) has a townread on cav out of nowhere 4) retracts townread on cav. LYNCHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH I think you've gone a little bit crazy here. How is my vote on Tofu any different from your vote on Omni? When I had left all Tofu had done was discredit me based on a thrawn case that he hadn't properly understood and when explained to him he said "yes that makes sense" but then STILL voted me. That was not something I had expected a towny to do and if I was around my vote would still have been on Tofu. So why is it that I am scummy for not being able to be here but YOU aren't scummy for doing the exact same thing on a player who could have easily been lynched at the time? Tofu was in the exact same spot as Omni when I left, low votes and not many people talking about him. As for my read on Cav, I was thinking to myself "who was it that I townread" and Cav popped up for a post he made but I was a little hesitant for some reason in the back of my mind (I made that clear in my post). I then re-read him and realised that this wasn't entirely the case and I remembered the points Kush had raised and how some of them still applied and then I retracted it very quickly afterwards. I'm still not from this forum, if you must know I was invited here by Greymist, who I've known for a while. | ||
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On April 17 2014 21:19 Koshi wrote: I can't agree on thrawn. Like. My reads are probably shit this game but no. That would be horrible. I think what he did at lynch time was pretty scummy. There are some things I find odd about how that lynch went down: Cavalinho (4): kushm4sta, Djagulingu, FirmTofu, thrawn2112 FirmTofu (2): mderg, First and foremost, Thrawn. He originally started voting for Cavalinho for the reasons of PoE, not doing anything towny and being too formal. All reasons he was happy to push more and more come lynch time. + Show Spoiler + On April 17 2014 12:33 thrawn2112 wrote: I also think his stuff's all too formal, it hints that he's self conscious and he was in the thread around this time 24 hours ago. but where is he now? and I see what kush is saying now but I think that what's more telling is how tunneled cavalinho's been. if not for kush asking him abotu mderg then cavalin probably wouldn't have ever mentioned him. he only like to talk about his one scumread and he only has one reason for that scumread and I think the red part is indicative of scum mindset On April 17 2014 12:37 thrawn2112 wrote: btw I'm probably the swing vote. and I'm still not completely shut off to the idea of lynching you. So what do you think about cavalinho now that he's arrived? if you just fuck off then that WILL increase your chances of being lynched Yet, all throughout the deadline time thrawn had been leaving both his options open: On April 17 2014 12:37 thrawn2112 wrote: btw I'm probably the swing vote. and I'm still not completely shut off to the idea of lynching you. So what do you think about cavalinho now that he's arrived? if you just fuck off then that WILL increase your chances of being lynched This post implies that Tofu is not as strong as a scum read as his PoE read on Cavalinho but still wants to make it known that he has an option to switch if necessary, yet, out of some miraculous turn of events after thrawn had told both of them to post more stuff, very very shortly afterwards: On April 17 2014 12:42 thrawn2112 wrote: omg. Cavalinho and FT post stuff! On April 17 2014 12:44 thrawn2112 wrote: ok. i think i'm going to vote for FT In the space of 2 minutes where not very much happened at all, where none of the people had posted anything worthy of a vote switch, thrawn decided that it was apt to switch to Tofu out of the blue. Here is what I think is the reason. Cavalinho (4): kushm4sta, Djagulingu, FirmTofu, thrawn2112 FirmTofu (4): mderg, The votes reached 4-4 and there was going to be a no lynch, thrawn had already switched to Cav and gave his reasoning but suddenly Cav and Vivax added their votes to Tofu. This enabled Thrawn to jump onto Tofu very easily: On April 17 2014 12:44 thrawn2112 wrote: ##unvote ##vote firmtofu I think Thrawn saw that it was looking to be a Cav lynch and I think Cav is scum with Thrawn. Thrawn seeing the inevitable push on Cav decided it would be better to take credit and be on his scum partners wagon than to be off of it and look suspicious. When the turn of events happened and people started to vote Tofu then Thrawn found the opportunity to switch his vote onto Tofu and save his partner. | ||
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On April 17 2014 21:50 Koshi wrote: He still isn't scum though. Why not? | ||
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On April 17 2014 21:57 Koshi wrote: No just look at that filter. I don't see it happen. What about the filter? | ||
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On April 17 2014 23:23 thrawn2112 wrote: ft fucked off. he told us it was ok for us to lynch him him to avoid a no lynch and then stopped trying to save himself. So you're telling me he fucked off in the 2 minutes you gave him to respond? On April 17 2014 12:42 thrawn2112 wrote: omg. Cavalinho and FT post stuff! On April 17 2014 12:44 thrawn2112 wrote: ok. i think i'm going to vote for FT even though in that time Tofu was the only one out of the 2 to be posting! | ||
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Tofu is the only one to respond in this time whereas Cav is not around but then you vote for Tofu even though he was responding to everything being asked? | ||
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On April 18 2014 01:05 thrawn2112 wrote: I wasn't impressed with FT's responses. he was being too passive, it didn't feel like a guy who was upset about potentially being mislynched. he wasn't trying to get cavalin lynched. cavalin was trying to get FT lynched, FT gave some last minutes read but it was a shitty list post and he didn't explain any of them. it didn;t feel like he was trying to help at all. another big part of why I swtiched was vivax. especially this post also OTW wtf is up with you shitting on me for choosing the lynch you voted for? you think I shoulda gone with the other guy? apperently not, according to your vote. I had imperfect information and was away from the deadline so could not ask questions or reaffirm myself, I also only voted based on the scummy way he pushed me for a lynch, whereas you were present and just declared ultimatums. I knew you'd bring up that post but I fail to see how that specific post could be read in 1 minute and then you were able to process it all in that time and vote for Tofu straight away (1 minute between vivax posting that wall of quotes and text and thrawn changing vote - in vote thread at :44 too). On April 17 2014 12:44 thrawn2112 wrote: ok. i think i'm going to vote for FT You also state: he wasn't trying to get cavalin lynched. cavalin was trying to get FT lynched, FT gave some last minutes read but it was a shitty list post and he didn't explain any of them. it didn;t feel like he was trying to help at all. If this was the case then your posts at the actual time of the event were not true? On April 17 2014 12:45 thrawn2112 wrote: tbh i don't feel that great about either of these lynches. something feels wrong Here (^) it states that you think passivity is something that a towny does. I wasn't impressed with FT's responses. he was being too passive, it didn't feel like a guy who was upset about potentially being mislynched. he wasn't trying to get cavalin lynched. cavalin was trying to get FT lynched, FT gave some last minutes read but it was a shitty list post and he didn't explain any of them. Whereas here(^), your reason for voting Tofu was passivity. If what you just say is true now, then Cavalinho absolutely should have been your top lynch choice, yet you went to Tofu directly after people started piling onto him. | ||
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On April 16 2014 12:56 Cavalinho wrote: I have three posts and you're scumreading me off them. That doesn't make any sense. I'd actually argue, but you have no real information to determine my alignment one way or the other. (Though, in all fairness, I have been somewhat inactive.) Oddness aside, I'm actually going to go ahead and say that I somewhat like this post in the sense that it feels like you're trying to generate discussion. Sure, it's wrong, but that happens. With the activity of the thread being so mediocre as it stands, trying to generate discussion is a pro-town move in my eyes. Which was fair enough and it seemed like a way a towny would respond, however, practically your next post was: On April 16 2014 13:27 Cavalinho wrote: Looking through FT's filter, I see a big post that discredits Omni without actually coming to any conclusion aside from trying to make him look bad, a long post on skab that boils down to "he claimed vig, so he's probably town," and a big post that doesn't go anywhere. I think it's really easy to look like you're doing something in a game like this, where there's little content and big posts look good, but even a quick glance reveals that he isn't actually doing anything in his posts. The only exception is his sole townread which is needlessly long and has already been discussed by other players. ##Vote FirmTofu Thrawn's filter is shitty too, but it's shitty in a blatant way rather than a way where he looks like he's doing something but he isn't. I'd like to hear more from him as well. How are the two events different? Why mention in the first place that reading someone as scummy from only a few posts is a weird thing for town to do (admittedly you town read me for it anyway) but then in your next post do the exact same thing? | ||
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 Also, what has ObviousOne done all game? He has only pushed mderg AFAIK and that is the person who was attacking the claimed vig. I made the assumption that no sane scum would do that, so why has ObviousOne made the opposite conclusion and why is that pretty much his only contribution? He practically refrains from being a part of the Cav/Tofu lynch. | ||
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Has ObviousOne received some sort of captaincy? I was unaware. Koshi, I know you posted a list of people you scum read earlier but subsequently it gives me the benefit of seeing that you are wrong on me. I pretty much agree with what you wrote about the other two though, so, replacing me who is your third? I'd wholeheartedly suggest thrawn but you seem to have a town read on him. | ||
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On April 19 2014 00:10 thrawn2112 wrote: mmk. I just read mderg's filter. I think he's town. His posts feel sincere and his arguments are logical. OO >> scum skan >> probably scum 3rd scum is hiding from me. probably OTW even though I don't feel that he's all that scummy. I want him to explain this: It does not matter anymore because Cavalinho has died, however, his death is not without some benefit. This now means that everything I've been thinking about (you/cav/x as mafia) is very wrong, so I apologise for the tunnel. I honestly thought I was onto something with my last case. As for today, ObviousOne's contributions have been verbose ways to say he wants to lynch someone who is afk which is not the contribution I was looking for after not much participation on day 1. ##vote ObviousOne Unfortunately I will not be present for the rest of the weekend, however, my activity will be much better from then on. I would still like to hear from Skanjab1s regarding his vigilante claim into afking though. | ||
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On April 20 2014 07:04 Koshi wrote: Wait. Why is thrawn not scum anymore? I made the case that his switch onto Tofu was at a time to save his scum buddy Cavalinho. The fact that it was a lynch between two towns fully corroborated with Thrawn's story of events that he posted a while ago. I don't think a scum person has a motive to switch between both people like he did unless he was so unsure (like he stated) which is a towny mindset. | ||
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On April 20 2014 08:01 thrawn2112 wrote: so why di you spend all your time tunneling me when it only made sense to call me scum if cavalinho was scum? and please explain what you meant even tho cavalinho is dead. i would stil like to know Well I was pretty sure Cavalinho was scum from his play, he was defensive and focusing on just tofu and only defending himself. I thought his filter was too single track minded to be town and thought he would get lynched today to prove myself right on you so it was a sarcastic jab at yourself. It did not work out too well. | ||
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1. thrawn2112 - Town 2. Vivax - Town 3. OmniEulogy - Vigilante 5. mderg 7. kushm4sta - Town 9. OneThousandWords - Town 11. Skanjab1s 12. Koshi - Not so Town Thrawn Been on him all game but Cavalinho being town means that the lynch between FirmTofu and Cavalinho was a town/town lynch in which case thrawn's self analysis of his thought process come lynch time was accurate and most likely leaves him as town: Thrawn's thought process is here. Vivax I did not like his entry into the game, however, now that I know the lynch on day 1 was between town and town it makes his filter look a lot better. He was very aprehensive about the Cavalinho wagon gaining steam when people were joining the wagon but not questioning it or making cases: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/447645-normal-ass-normal-game?page=37#725. This post in paticular made me say, hey, this guy is right, there hasn't been a solid case on Cavalinho but people are still voting him while saying that they need to ask him more questions. This also shows a general overarching suspicion of FirmTofu growing. He also looked at all of Cavalinho's posts in detail to point out specific points that actually made sense to people at the time and got them to switch to FirmTofu. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/447645-normal-ass-normal-game?page=39#761. I don't think mafia puts themselves out there to that extent and does that kind of research into a lynch in a town vs town scenario lynch. He has also been trying to get discussions going in the past couple of quiet days. So I have a town read on him too. mderg Mderg IMO is scummy. There isn't much stuff on his filter to go on and it seems to be like he has just been skating on through the game, mainly, he seems to have very little interaction to do with the day 1 lynch and his contribution to lynch actual scum (ObviousOne) does not exist. In fact, he voted Skanjab1s instead. His first post was contentless and summed up things that pretty much everyone had already said and then after quite some time of waiting and accusations being thrown around his second post does not really address much in the game at all and just consists of him answering randomq questions. He has weird pushes on Djagu (confirmed blue) for playing "the newbie card" but says it in a way in which it was not used (koshi? pointed this out) and then flits to trying to get the claimed vigilante lynched. In my mind I treated this guy as a confirmed vigilante, however, now that the actual vigilante has come out this puts all his accusations into incredibly suspicious territory. I've PoE'd the scum team to Skanjab1s and Mderg and I know this initially looks strange and I feel extremely aprehensive in doing so after making a connection theory with Thrawn and Cavalinho on day 1 but there is something off about the way Mder fought with Skanjab1s that just didn't seem natural. He pushes him for a long time of day 1 but then drops it altogether to lynch FirmTofu for reasons that are sheeped from other people. His interactions with ObviousOne are also very mediocre and no suspicion is raised about him. Then suddenly after having little to 0 participation in the day 1 lynch at night after everyone and their mothers starts calling ObviousOne scummy mderg says: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/447645-normal-ass-normal-game?page=48#956. This on it's own is not that bad BUT there was the post the NEXT DAY that does not compare with this: On April 19 2014 00:45 mderg wrote: He is a bit scummy. But there have also been some posts that put some doubts about that in my mind. After saying that he agrees that ObviousOne is scum he says he has doubts (which he didn't mention in the night) and then quickly corrects that afterwards to say he has a scum read on ObviousOne (but still never votes for him over Skanjab1s). I think Skanjab1s is truly busy and just told his team to lynch him and mderg took this to the next level and has been pushing him all game to look good for when he flips. His interactions with ObviousOne are strange and his read is not maintained through the game (in little space of time). I think mderg is scum. kushm4sta kushm4sta started the game well, instead of jumping on hate trains he instead looked at the content behind these trains and decided to discuss them, I might be a bit biased because he defended me against a koshi onslaught but nevertheless he was actually convicted in his reasonings for lynching cavalinho (even if i didn't agree with some of the points) and was one of the only people to actually bring up reasons. He was questioning his scum read all through the game and was demanding answers to get a better outlook on his reads with posts like this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/447645-normal-ass-normal-game?page=48#943 the only aprehension I have is that he PoE'd people and had a set list of people he thought was scum but then decided to add the person who was actually posting during quiet periods Vivax onto it. This didn't add up because Koshi was on his original PoE list but then he suddenly agreed with Koshi on Vivax which seemed a little odd. I still lean town on Kushm4sta though. Skanjab1s Skanjab1s is the other person that I think is scummy and yes, with Mderg. He initially claimed vigilante and that he did not have much time. This, I initially thought was towny, however, now I realise he legitimately does not have time and his activity is really low. This enabled him to have the perfect cover if he was mafia saying that "he did it to soak up actions", which was his response when I questioned him. I don't think the roleblock weighs in on his alignment though because like I initially said at the start of the game, mafia would most likely "block" a vigilante so if he was mafia he would need to feign being rb'd (sorry koshi I know you don't agree). Regardless, his filter seems very very defensive for someone who just claimed vigilante. He spends the entire time just bickering with Mderg but not in a way that looks like it comes from something natural. He just responds to points in a point by point answering fashion which is easy to do as mafia/mafia. His entire filter talks about nothing but mderg (a little of omni and kush) but then out of the blue he says this: On April 17 2014 19:18 Skanjab1s wrote: Yeah, I do. This feels like he knows that I'm town, but needed to make up a reason to believe that in the thread, so he made up some generic nonsense about what kind of player I am, when he hasn't actually seen my games. I don't know why a town FT would do this. He votes Tofu with very very little interaction, very little reasoning and then afk's until he returns on day 2 where he claims that he was roleblocked and votes ObviousOne because at this point he had to. I am pretty sure he is scum. Koshi Koshi is a wildcard and has an enormous amount of pages of filter. It's quite silly and makes it hard to read through but from what I remember/read in his filter he spends a lot of time just being aggressive in a way that he seems to be playing the game by himself. He spent a lot of day 1 not really listening to what other people had to say and just followed his own thoughts, he ignored posts that made sense as people being mafia on his town reads despite them making sense and then even started to come around to those thoughts later. He spent well over HALF of his filter arguing that an Mderg lynch was super terrible because it was a lurker lynch but then gave in and voted mderg and said he was going to afk because we are all terrible which is a super strange way to play. He then pushes me and calls me scum based on a difference of opinions on an earlier post on skanjab1's, after spending like 4 pages arguing about it he finally concedes that: On April 17 2014 01:36 Koshi wrote: OTW said something incorrect. The only point I want to make. It was no longer scummy, just the I said something incorrect!?!??! His actions with ObviousOne also don't exist and probably the main thing I'd want to address is that he tries to get the cop to check ObviousOne: On April 17 2014 20:33 Koshi wrote: This game is solved for me. Those 2 die. Make sure cop checks OO/Kush or somebody else you think is likely to be scum but unlikely to be lynched soon. Koshi also says he will check ObviousOne's meta but never does and then says that WE should check ObviousOne's meta quite some time after that but ends up voting him instead of actually checking it when consensus was pretty set. Vivax was also one of Koshi's top town reads and suddenly when it looks like scummy people like mderg or skanjab1s are getting lynched he switches to vivax being scum and tomorrow's lynch even though vivax was only one doing effort things in quiet period. Now that I've written this bit on Koshi, I'm almost less convinced about a Skanjab1s/Mderg team and now more about an Mderg/Koshi team. Mderg was defended by Koshi really hard and much yelling was done. Today Koshi is pushing a lynch onto Skanjab1s and suddenly wants to switch onto his previous top town read Vivax for little nitpicky reasons. | ||
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On April 21 2014 03:51 Koshi wrote: Is it me or is OTW trying to make Vivax look townie in that post? And then Kush and Myself get a little FoS for saying something bad about Vivax Nothing about association. Half of your filter is yelling at people about mderg and then accusing me about a misinterpreted post only to then say it wasn't scummy just wrong and then when i bring it up to try and squash these things you just drop all conversation. The other half of your filter just says pretty much nothing and your read on Obvious is delayed for you metaing him which you never did and then you said he wouldn't be tomorrow's lynch and a cop should check him. The remainder is accusations on your previous top town read because "he questioned me on the order of my list" and skanjab1s who is an easy person for you to push if he ends up being town. Simply put you have said a lot of things but when looked at properly they don't really say anything. | ||
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On April 21 2014 05:19 kushm4sta wrote: why the fuck is everyone town reading mderg? he a scummy mofo I agree with this. | ||
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Can you explain vivax scum read to me? It seems to only be on something very small. | ||
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On April 21 2014 06:21 OmniEulogy wrote: you could be making a connection with mderg and Koshi if you assume mderg is scum. is how I understood that.. I still don't understand. | ||
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On April 21 2014 07:07 mderg wrote: I kinda feel the need to respond to this. Regarding the thing about not contributing to lynch OO I´d like to say that even though I was unsure about him being scum I changed my mind immediately after going through his filter. Finding someone scummy but also having doubts about is is also very possible as townie. In the end I still voted for Skanjab since he was even scummier to me, wouldn´t you also vote your #1 scumread over your #2 scumread? Regarding the Djagu push I can only say that it never happened. That was someone else. My FirmTofu read wasn´t sheeped from other people. I was even the 1st/2nd guy voting for him depending on if you take cav voting in this thread as the first vote. Also the whole association read with me and Skanjab is just based on assumptions. Namely the last paragraph about me. Sorry yes you're right. The djagu thing was omni, I just had a lot of filters open at a time and your name was next to his. As for the rest, I posted on night 1 about ObviousOne and you quite clearly said "yes I think we all agree he is scum" but on day 2 you were showing that you didn't actually think that after all as your initial read was not so scummy until you rechecked the filter! So that does not add up at all! You spend the ENTIRE day talking to skanjabs and you post 1 relevant post towards a FirmTofu/Cavalinho day lynch and it's just agreeing with other people's reasons to lynch FirmTofu and then you never return. | ||
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On April 21 2014 10:42 thrawn2112 wrote: i dont really have any right now everyone that isn't kush/koshi are about the same level of scuminess and I could lynch any of them. hopefully we will know more after the deadline. skan/vivax are who i most want to lynch. i have no idea how to read OTW and i still don't see why mderg is so scummy Well I've never rolled scum in all 2 of the forum mafia games I've played so that's a start! Can someone explain the vivax lynch because he looks really towny from his filter and koshi brought up that he was scum based on one really small point and seems to be super certain of it all of a sudden. I still don't understand because he never elaborated. | ||
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On April 21 2014 10:49 thrawn2112 wrote: what has vivax done this game? the only memorable thing was loudly protesting the cavalinho lynch. I wrote about it in my long post. | ||
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On April 21 2014 11:04 thrawn2112 wrote: why does D1 lynch being town vs town make vivax townie? why is it so unlikely that a scum would defend one townie while trying to lynch another one? It was his progression of posts that looked like natural suspicion onto tofu and rather than defending a player outright he was trying to get people to discuss and post their reasons for lynching Cavalinho etc as well which seemed like an incredibly towny thing to do seeing as people blindly went with it while disagreeing with parts of the only case made on him (by kush). I guess it can be faked but I'm not so sure it would look that genuine if made by mafia? Maybe I'm biased by who I think is mafia I don't know. Why do you think koshi is town? Have you reread his filter? | ||
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On April 21 2014 11:16 Koshi wrote: No wait. Bad English. Vivax was upset with Kush because Kush read Vivax as scum over Skanjab while Vivax finds that's unfair because he tried harder to play good mafia. Ok this makes sense. Unfortunately for you, I'm still not mafia. | ||
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On April 21 2014 11:13 Koshi wrote: Or maybe Kush had Vivax as 3rd scum. Anyway. Doesn't matter. Vivax went all omg Kush you should totally lynch Skanjab before me. Skanjab only lies about his claims and is afk. While I only do townie things and I am town. While you are at it. Please claim scum because I think you are scum. I thought this was addressed to me as you were talking to me. | ||
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On April 21 2014 12:13 Koshi wrote: Well I am tunneled. Scum better kills me, for WIFOM or for righteousness. Why would you die over confirmed town person? | ||
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On April 21 2014 21:13 kushm4sta wrote: Skan I agree with you. See skan is the only one realistically thinking about the scum team. All the other possible scums are hinting at people like me because they know they need lynches outside the poe to win. Well that's just not true. It's the most simplistic thing in the world to give a list of names with no reasoning like skan has done and I strongly think Vivax is town. The only thing you've brought up is his questioning of your lynch order and that's mediocre at best compared to the entire filter of Skanjabs! | ||
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On April 22 2014 05:23 Skanjab1s wrote: What in my filter is scummy, specifically? I already posted about everyone, this is my point exactly! Nobody is reading the thread and the game right now feels a lot like the day 1 lynch where everyone is saying the name of who they want to lynch but not actually giving reasons! I honestly do not think Vivax is scum at all and the fact everyone is pushing him as scummy over people like skanjab1s and mderg when vivax was pretty much one of the top town reads for a lot of people is really odd. Vivax is the only one that tried to get discussion going in regards to the day 1 lynch and tried to get people to post reasons for their lynch he was also the only one to start discussions on the next few days when it was very quiet only to get shut down and called scum! If there's one thing I can be right about this game is that this feels really odd. Skanjab1s, I have you as scum for claiming vig as an excuse to cover up your lack of activity. You were very defensive on day 1 over everything and only mentioned FirmTofu once and then afk voted him only to return the next day and claim roleblock. If you are town which for some reason people say you are and aren't giving reasons you should be realising that things are wrong too! | ||
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On April 22 2014 07:08 kushm4sta wrote: why are you assuming something is wrong OTW? town is sitting on their asses and doing nothing because we realize all we need to do is lynch down a list and we win. scum (you, vivax, mberg) are the ones tryharding, because you need to try hard to win. we dont. Because I know I'm town and I think vivax is town. It seems like you aren't really paying much attention at all. | ||
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On April 22 2014 07:24 kushm4sta wrote: THERE ARE 3 people in the scumteam left . ima ask again. who is the scumteam? This guy isn't even in the same game as us. | ||
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On April 22 2014 07:27 kushm4sta wrote: for some reason i was under the impression that there were 3 scum left and that makes me scum why Where did I say it made you scum..? | ||
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On April 22 2014 07:24 OneThousandWords wrote: Seriously I've posted this about 1000x, originally it was mderg/skanjab1s because their argument seemed very faked but the more i looked at koshi the more it made sense. Then koshi died so mderg/skanjab is probably best bet but your afking and complete shutting down of discussion by saying "lynch through this list" is really a strange mindset for a town to have. So I'm gaining rapid suspicion of you which aligns with what i said previously. | ||
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A few things to note: I'm glad vivax stepped up and talked rather than those few lines he angrily left yesterday, not sure why he even did that in the first place. I don't like how he's skipped over me on the basis that I town read him though, that seems like a strange thing to do for someone in the dark on alignments. He also focuses a lot on skanjab1s vigilante claim which I'm not sure is apt when his whole filter contains things that are weird. He did seemingly address that after though which was a weird order of things to do it. Skanjab1s claim has been rattled to death and honestly it's not telling of an alignment. He keeps making it out to be something super town sided though and skipping over the glaringly obvious part of it enabling him to afk safely for a day as scum which honestly is a little strange. Other than that his read and vote on tofu AFTER the deadline is really very very fake. The first instinct I have after opening a thread is to catch up on everything I have missed post by post and if there's a deadline I check to see the alignment of the player . Now, I can overlook that as just forgetfulness, however, in order to post what he did at that time you would have to completely ignore EVERYTHING on the latest page at the time and EVERYTHING about the game which I don't see someone with a mindset to solve the game doing. It looked like he thought the deadline was coming and wanted to make sure his vote was on the person that got lynched and for a reason. Kush has been very very strange this past day, like he's not interested what is going on, how many scum are left, who is left. I don't see this happening from a town mindset because when I'm in the game and trying to figure things out this stuff is always in the back of my mind! It struck me as very disingenuous. His day 1 play was somewhat towny but since then I haven't seen much in the same regard. He also was set on vivax being scum but then out of the blue started calling him town after posts that were in my eyes, questionable. He seems to be playing the game backwards. Mderg hadn't really posted much. I don't like the fact that basically the only thing he did day 1 was to push a claimed vigilante and night 1 said he thought ObviousOne was scummy like all of us only to say he has towny posts the next day but correct himself not long after realising his mistake. Not long after I made a post saying Vivax was towny he did the exact same thing as me but then later on in the day said that he was coming around to the idea of me being scum which doesn't really add up at all as I was the one pushing us to re-analyse the game at a time when everyone was pretty much afking. I'm going to stick with a skanjab1s and mderg scum team. It makes a lot of sense for scum to tell someone to push for their lynch if they have little time in the hopes they look good when the person dies. I am a little apprehensive though but people told me that mafia are good on this site so I wouldn't put it past them. If I could come up with another scum team I think mderg would most definitely be in it too anyway so: ##vote mderg | ||
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On April 23 2014 07:10 thrawn2112 wrote: lol. i think otw just called everyone except me and OE mafia. I've already said I think you are town based on the Cavalinho stuff. Omni is a vigilante so yes, I excluded you 2. This was just meant to point out things I did not like in the time I was gone as a reference to myself and others. Like notes if you will. That's another question I want to ask. Why was Koshi shot instead of Omni? | ||
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On April 23 2014 07:12 thrawn2112 wrote: otw you don't have any reasons for your vote. you think skan is scum...... why? because he voted after deadline? and you think mderg is scum because you think he was bussing skan? ok lol..... You aren't reading my bit on mderg at all properly then. He tried to lynch a claimed vigilante as his ONLY contribution on day 1 and then wasn't around for anything at deadline. He still voted for tofu after having little to no discussion on him compared to the entirety of his filter on skanjab1s. At night he followed mine and others sentiment on ObviousOne being scum but in the day forgot that he had that sentiment and tried to defend him only to backtrack almost immediately. If he was town, he would have looked into ObviousOne the moment people started calling him scummy because that would be contradictory to his own thought process. His reads are not entirely consistent with what is going on. He's agreed with me on vivax and slight kush suspicion all day but when it starts looking bad somehow out of the blue he comes around to me looking scummy. | ||
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On April 23 2014 07:18 kushm4sta wrote: why did you post those "notes" otw? Because I am at my office and would rather have people see what I am thinking here rather than trying to remember all of it on the way home or write them down on a notepad and forget the context of it all. It's for transparency sake. | ||
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On April 23 2014 07:21 thrawn2112 wrote: ok. i think maybe we lynch mderg after all. What changed your mind?? | ||
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Is there anything I should be catching up on? | ||
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On April 26 2014 02:44 kushm4sta wrote: OTW basically here is the situation. We have to figure out who is most likely scum out of Vivax, skanjab aka tweak, and yourself. CAN YOU HELP? What are your thoughts on the scumteam and who you want to lynch? Well I'm in an equally sticky situation seeing as I am in the same boat but your name instead of mine. However, I think I'd much rather stick to my gut that said you were town initially than to take everything I was saying about you for the past few days as scum indicative. Now that I look at it with some clarity (and thrawn, koshi and mderg being town etc) I can see someone being less involved in the game as town because they had town reads on a lot of the people and so the game becomes relatively simple at that point. Thus, my initial read would take precedence over you being scummy for not paying attention. I also read over the pages that I missed and your questioning of Skanjab1s seemed very natural and like you wanted him to answer so you could solve his alignment rather than asking questions for the sake of blending in. That leaves me with Skanjab1s, he made a post that triggered some alarm bells for me here: On April 25 2014 05:35 Skanjab1s wrote: I thought he was pretty scummy before. His initial questioning of me felt like he was reaching for something to call me scum for, rather than actually having the townie mindset of genuinely thinking that i'm scum. I got a bit distracted and ended up sheeping you near the end of D1. Regardless I'm pretty sure the last two scum are vivax and OTW, unless you're scum, but thats just too damn confusing to think about right now. If there are 2 scum alive today and 5 people remain, then if he was town, he shouldn't be including something like this as if he is mistaken and the team was in fact me and you then the game would be over instantly. However, the way that it's worded is that if we lynch vivax today then he'd have to think about you tomorrow, implying there WOULD be another day to determine more alignments. His play overall has been severely lacking, he stated he wouldn't be around for a few days at the start of the game and so claimed vig, yet, he has returned several days ago and STILL done nothing of the sort of play that I'd imagine another towny to display, the only thing he has in fact done is answer questions to vivax and then failed in regards to answering your questions. When you asked if there were anymore questions that could be asked, it wasn't as if he was trying to solve your alignment or anyone elses but rather trying to prove his "alignment" instead. | ||
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On April 26 2014 04:10 kushm4sta wrote: so want to take out vivax tonight since we already have the votes? i like your thoughts on skanjab. yeh that's cool with me | ||
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On April 21 2014 11:15 Koshi wrote: I think it is Skanjab and Vivax. | ||
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Also, can you explain to me this chain of events: On April 23 2014 07:47 kushm4sta wrote: vivax guess what untownreading you On April 23 2014 07:47 kushm4sta wrote: scummy vivax reasoning: it happpened like this is that game, SO THIS GAME MUST BE JUST LIEK THAT GAME What did you mean by that and how did you switch from Vivax being town to not town so quickly for reasoning that seems so simple? | ||
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On April 26 2014 04:31 kushm4sta wrote: god your so fucking town otw.. gg scum. For what reasons?? | ||
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On April 26 2014 04:39 Skanjab1s wrote: I haven't actually returned really, I get the same amount of time to play as I did before, theres just much much less to read. I still only get a short while to play. Also, if we lynch vivax today, and he flips scum like I think he will, then there WOULD be another day to determine more alignments, and to decide between you/kush. You're accusing me of doing the /exact/ same thing you just did at the beginning of your post, and the same thing kush is doing. (which is, deciding between the 3 of us which 2 are scum). Kush, I don't know why you liked this post at all The difference is that I am not sure if you are scum or vivax is scum or kushm4sta is scum and so I am asking follow up questions to make sure that what I was thinking was in fact right. You on the other hand make a sweeping statement with no facts and no followup because you are sure of the facts and so instead of asking questions to lead to the ultimate goal of decision, instead, you just try and discredit the person that you need to get lynched. | ||
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On April 26 2014 04:57 Skanjab1s wrote: There are no questions that I can ask that are going to make me any more sure of anyone's alignment. You haven't asked me any questions either. That answer makes no sense. Also, I discredit the arguments, not the people. (By the way, I like, hope you're okay, the accident thing is awful, one of my friends got hit earlier this year in the same way) Thank you! In regards to your point, I didn't ask you any questions, simply because you weren't around at the time of my return and my initial response was just a response to Kushm4sta asking a question! | ||
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On April 26 2014 11:00 OmniEulogy wrote: here's hoping. lol ^^^^ | ||
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I think I like skanjab1s! The reasons why will come just before I die today ! | ||
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On April 27 2014 17:36 kushm4sta wrote: I NEVER MISS AN INBOX NOTIFICATION. I was role blocked. The insignificance of this cannot be overestimated. It's at a tiny bar on the top of my phone. Anyway, my plan worked perfectly! Omni was going to lynch skan 100% whereas I said I liked skan. Skanjab1s only option coming into today would be to lynch kushm4sta as he was pushing you all last night. I said I liked skanjab1s and so if kushm4sta was scum I would be dead because omni would be voting skan with him. Seeing as I'm alive it points towards the inevitability that Skanjab1s is mafia. ##vote skanjab1s | ||
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You wrote things like: On April 21 2014 20:40 Skanjab1s wrote: I'm pretty sure Kush/Koshi/Omni/thrawn are all town. So the last two scum are in Vivax/OTW/mderg. On April 23 2014 00:55 Skanjab1s wrote: It's one of OTW/mderg. And it's basically just PoE, I have strong townreads on everyone else in the game and they're the ones that I haven't had any town-feels from. On April 25 2014 03:40 Skanjab1s wrote: Err, is anyone else here? I'm voting thrawn[edit:vivax], I think him and OTW are the last two scum. On April 25 2014 05:35 Skanjab1s wrote: I thought he was pretty scummy before. His initial questioning of me felt like he was reaching for something to call me scum for, rather than actually having the townie mindset of genuinely thinking that i'm scum. I got a bit distracted and ended up sheeping you near the end of D1. Regardless I'm pretty sure the last two scum are vivax and OTW, unless you're scum, but thats just too damn confusing to think about right now. Then, as soon as vivax flips red and omni and kushm4sta town read me you COMPLETELY flip your town read on kush and everything to: On April 26 2014 18:10 Skanjab1s wrote: The names of the dead aren't crossed out, I don't feel like thinking this early in the morning. Yeah. Guys, kush is definitely scum. He's never this confident as town, and now he is obviously try-harding as his scummate just got killed. Believe in me, I will guide us to victory. So why, when kushm4sta displays signs that are similar to yours (and you even pointed the out the parts in your case that highlight his read evolving, not just flat out changing - i.e. his read on vivax going from town to untown to scum is a progression whereas yours is town -> scum when things look bad) does that make him scum and you not scum? | ||
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What are you saying is PoE? Your initial town read of Kushm4sta or your now scum read on him? Or are you saying that I was scum purely because of PoE? In that case then Kushm4sta WAS a hard town read for you and so your switch looks incredibly more scum like. Also if you town read me now and scum read Kush that would purely make your read on Kushm4sta PoE then but you decided to write cases to prove that he is scum, here: On April 23 2014 02:42 Skanjab1s wrote: Yeah, I thought kush was scummy for his early D1 play, then I changed my mind with his later play. You also forget that I voted for FirmTofu after he was actually lynched. I wasn't even aware that the day was close to ending, let alone that it was actually night already. But you can clearly see the progression of my read on FT. I saw him say something I thought was scummy, then questioned him on it and placed a vote on him, hoping for him to respond. That is how I progress with my scumreads. and here: + Show Spoiler + On April 27 2014 02:24 Skanjab1s wrote: That first quote makes me happier with my decision. Scum often like sandwiching one of their scummates between two town, when vivax said "Lynch him and either kush or mderg". Err, this doesn't really help you much, because it could be either one of us, but I'm confident, at least. Here, I made a case against kush: First, his behavior before the mderg lynch: Firstly, he is okay with lynching vivax, this was when people were deciding between mderg and vivax to lynch: Then Vivax comes in and makes a single post and he's all: Right after this, he launches into a full on bandwagon against mderg, pushing him really hard, taking all the attention off of vivax: After this, he puts light pressure on vivax against to distance himself, and then straight away goes back to his mderg campaign: Secondly, right after the mderg lynch, he knows that Vivax is next on the lynch list, so he suddenly completely changes his super-hard townread of me: This next one is specially scummy, because earlier, he said: Now, suddenly as the lynch is between myself and Vivax, he goes into his hardcore tunnel mode, like with mderg, and randomly the claim is scummy now: In these quotes he implies that I have the least content and that makes me scummy, (1) He knows that I was away, so I wasn't going to have content regardless (2) If he's talking about actual usefulness, and not just postcount, then he is contradicting himself, as earlier he said that he likes the way I'm thinking about the scumteam: Finally, his behavior after the Vivax lynch: He immediately tries to set me up the next lynch. This is something scum often do after they have lost a scumbuddy; they try to hastily set up lynches to recover the momentum of their loss. Now he's back into his hardcore tunnelling mode against me (remember, this was something that was present in his behavior around the cav (i think, i remember reading that somewhere but I haven't checked), mderg (when he tunneled mderg) and vivax (when he tunneled me) lynches. Previously, it was his play that you town read him for. Now you say your scum read on him is from PoE? yet you decided to make cases on him based on his play that you initially town read him for, that's the opposite of PoE! Here: On April 26 2014 18:10 Skanjab1s wrote: The names of the dead aren't crossed out, I don't feel like thinking this early in the morning. Yeah. Guys, kush is definitely scum. He's never this confident as town, and now he is obviously try-harding as his scummate just got killed. Believe in me, I will guide us to victory. You said it was for his play. Then you made a giant case based on his play. Now you are saying you un-scumread me and thus Kush was a PoE switch of stance. That doesn't make sense! | ||
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On April 28 2014 04:18 kushm4sta wrote: otw i swear to god i will transcend space and time and jump through computer screens to murder you if you vote me. Well, I was tempted to but the more Skanjab1s posts about his read on you the more and more it doesn't add up. I also won't be around for most likely all of tomorrow so I think I'll have to leave my vote on him. | ||
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On April 28 2014 18:56 Skanjab1s wrote: It adds up completely, you're trying overly hard to find missing pieces and things that don't add up, but it all makes sense! Don't just leave your vote on me, think about the stuff I've been saying on kush please. I will think about it over the course of the day and I'll be back right around deadline time :/ Got a lot of hospital stuff today. | ||
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On April 29 2014 03:40 kushm4sta wrote: skanjab wouldn't it be lolz if otw was scum. I don't know why YOU'RE the one having second thoughts, I've spent the majority of the past few days (other than being poked and prodded) looking at both of your filters and even your past games to get a feel of if you play like this as mafia (admittedly Skanjab1s doesn't have any scum games) I've also been questioning skanjab1s a lot and he has been responding whereas you have just been saying things like "just afk and vote", "if you vote me you suck". I'm kinda terrified that you are scum and it's nagging in the back of my head everytime I think about the game. | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/447645-normal-ass-normal-game?page=74#1472 and this reply: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/447645-normal-ass-normal-game?page=75#1481 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/447645-normal-ass-normal-game?page=75#1482 and remembering how he seemed to know vivax would flip scum and didn't post any facts about his reads whatsoever when questioned. | ||
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The game gets to a day where it would be over if we lynched someone who was town. Skanjab1s instant votes Vivax with no case, no research, no proof of why he is voting or any justification. Game gets to the same point the next day, Skanjab1s goes all out and makes loads of cases to try and prove how you are mafia, tries to force out responses to posts, wants you lynched no matter what. It's that change in play that is really strange, coupled with the way he made the case on you. He didn't realise the content of the posts you were making and how it showed that your reads on people were evolving which indicated to me that he hadn't been reading the actual game but instead just your filter and was trying to make points that made you look like mafia. | ||
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On April 29 2014 13:51 WaveofShadow wrote: LOL I was wondering where you'd been lately HF Winning as scum, go fucking figure :D | ||
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what that means you are thinking though no clue... *omg and easy way to seem like I'm doing something productive for town!* perhaps?
