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otw i'm not gonna respond to any more of that stuff unless cavalniho flips scum. if that happens then we can talk about it all you like. i'm pretty sure that if you don't just read my filter on its own, if you actually go read the stuff in the hours leading up to the lynch then my thought process should be pretty obvious.
it was a tense moment. i didn't even realize that a tie meant no lynch until right before the deadline. i had reasons to think both leading candidates were scum, and I had reasons to think both candidates were town. if you were to ask me my thoughts for each minute leading up to the lynch I probably would have given you a different answer, that's how crazy things were. on top of that there was vivax who started derailing the conversation by calling me mafia for the most retarted reasons so I I also i to devote some energy to dealing with that. AND he brought up some points that countered everything I was thinking, and I slowly began to see things his way.
so votes are at 4-4 which means no lynch. i have no fukn clue who to vote for and people on both sides of the fence are acting so damn confident about their read. but if I kept my vote on cavalinho that means we no lynch and I didn't want that. at that exact moment in time I could have listed tons of reasons why I thought both of them were town, and tons of reaons for the opposite. if i seemed to have swtiched back and forth easily, that's just proof of how conflicted I was. and the icing on the cake is that i didn't feel like either of them were trying very hard. neither of them were really being that townie before the deadline, but i didn't think it was likley that both were scum, so I was really confused. thjat's why i said things didn't feel right.
so really, there are tons of reasons why i did what I did. it's not so black and white as you're making it.
Now what are you suggesting is my mafia agenda?
Say cavlin is scum. votes are at 4-4, with my vote on cavalin. i switch to FT. Do you really think that scum would make such a risky play? Assuming that cavalinho and i are scum, it's obvious that I'm going to look super shitty fort swinging the lynch onto the townie. Hell, cavalinho hasn't even flipped and people are still making the association read. Do you really think that that's what I'd do if I was scum? There were more people in the thread who were ok with lynch FT than there were with lynching cavalina. I could have just left my vote on cavalin, and he probably would have been saved becasue town would either have no-lynched, or people would have moved onto FT to avoid the no lynch. The momentum was definitely moving towards a FT lynch over a no lynch, do you think that scum thrawn would be the one to risk his neck by beaing the first person to vote for the townie FT? That's just ridiculous. You're suggesting that I literally made the worst, and most obvious move a scum player ever could have made in that situation.
And if cavalinho is town then your case completely falls apart.
this has been a pretty honest post, I feel like I've really opened up and explained exactly how I felt about the lynch. if anyone still wants to have this ridiculous conversation then that's too bad, I'll only entertain it if cavalinho flips scum (which tbh i am sorta thinking he might and that's frustrating as fuck)
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On April 17 2014 12:43 Vivax wrote:Question 1: Why does scum add the bolded to a post when they've already explained who they want to lynch? Show nested quote +On April 16 2014 13:27 Cavalinho wrote:
Looking through FT's filter, I see a big post that discredits Omni without actually coming to any conclusion aside from trying to make him look bad, a long post on skab that boils down to "he claimed vig, so he's probably town," and a big post that doesn't go anywhere.
I think it's really easy to look like you're doing something in a game like this, where there's little content and big posts look good, but even a quick glance reveals that he isn't actually doing anything in his posts. The only exception is his sole townread which is needlessly long and has already been discussed by other players.
##Vote FirmTofu
Thrawn's filter is shitty too, but it's shitty in a blatant way rather than a way where he looks like he's doing something but he isn't. I'd like to hear more from him as well. Question 2: The point he makes about kush is actually quite valid if the representation is correct. Show nested quote +On April 17 2014 03:33 Cavalinho wrote:
Your whole reasoning for voting me is that I'm focusing on FT rather than mderg. Guess what? I think mderg is scummy too. I just wanted to bring FT's actions into the spotlight rather than mderg's because more people were focusing on mderg.
Also, I have a question for you kush. Why is it that you ask me a question, and when you don't receive an answer due to me not being anywhere near the thread for some time, you vote me and say that I'm just focusing on FT? That's scummy. It's like you were planning on voting me regardless of my answer. Show nested quote +On April 17 2014 03:37 Cavalinho wrote:On April 17 2014 03:34 kushm4sta wrote:On April 17 2014 03:33 Cavalinho wrote:
Your whole reasoning for voting me is that I'm focusing on FT rather than mderg. Guess what? I think mderg is scummy too. I just wanted to bring FT's actions into the spotlight rather than mderg's because more people were focusing on mderg.
Also, I have a question for you kush. Why is it that you ask me a question, and when you don't receive an answer due to me not being anywhere near the thread for some time, you vote me and say that I'm just focusing on FT? That's scummy. It's like you were planning on voting me regardless of my answer. How is that my only reason for thinking you are scummy? That is one of many reasons. From my point of view, it looks like that's what it boils down to. If there are more reasons, tell me what they are, because I don't see it. Also, what's up with my handle? >.> Show nested quote +On April 17 2014 03:50 Cavalinho wrote:On April 17 2014 03:43 kushm4sta wrote:
my case on cavalinho outlined
1. you think FT is scummy for answering a question thoroughly, rather than just saying "im null on that guy
2 you are calling FT scummy for one very unspecific, generic reason: He is writing a lot while not doing anything, basically. And you keep saying that in different words over and over again.
3 it looks nothing like your town game, where the reasoning behind your reads are much more in depth.
4 You are scumreading FT, when what you are scum reading them for, not taking a stance, mberg does much worse. Oh you had a secret scumread on mberg, ok... 1) It's not because he answered a question thoroughly. He didn't answer it thoroughly. He made a post that looked like he was doing analysis which boiled down to an analysis with no definitive conclusion. 2) His filter is less than a page long. He doesn't answer my questions and doesn't really respond to/deny accusations. It's possible he's genuinely afk, but I'm going to keep my vote on him until he convinces me otherwise. 3) Newbie games and regular games are two completely different things. Just because my reads aren't as elaborate as they were, that doesn't mean my reads were necessarily better then. The key difference is that I was outing my reads as a whole, rather than just scumreads. 4) You act like I was supposed to ignore mderg so I would look scummy, and then I admit I have a scumread on him too. This makes me scummy...How, exactly? I don't understand your logic. 1) His thoughts on FT: My thoughts 2) One more reason for his FT read. 3) He disarms the meta argument with something that sounds reasonable. 4) Here kush says he's scum for admitting to having a scumread on mberg when asked. How is that scummy? You guys don't even look at his defense, don't even reply to it. This wagon stinks of scum. And FT says "we should look into him" LOL. Still waiting on that miracle.
such bad defense
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On April 18 2014 01:04 kushm4sta wrote:
hi cav. what is most scummy about your filter, i would say, is the weak ressons behind your scumreads
CAV, you keep saying you gave reasons why FT over mderg.
I can't find where you gave them.
CAV WHY YOU NO ANSWER
YOU KEEP SAYING YOU GAVE THE REASONS WHY FT OVER MDERG
I CANT FIND THEM
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kush you were right
weed > alcohol. i haven't smoked in about a month and i've been playing mafia drunk instead of stoned lately. i think i've developed a mean streak because of it lol. unfortunate.
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On April 18 2014 01:50 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2014 01:04 kushm4sta wrote:
hi cav. what is most scummy about your filter, i would say, is the weak ressons behind your scumreads
CAV, you keep saying you gave reasons why FT over mderg.
I can't find where you gave them. CAV WHY YOU NO ANSWER YOU KEEP SAYING YOU GAVE THE REASONS WHY FT OVER MDERG I CANT FIND THEM
Ok it's time for a bible lesson.
In a town far far away,
there was a man who would say:
"I'm an evil you shall slay
and bury the corpse under the clay"
People thought his acts were play,
so big the price they would pay
He made his warning in his way,
of the evil he would lay
Evil came down the very next day
Town tried to keep him right at bay
Town could resist till third day
All had suffered, none was okay
They asked the man, he said "nay"
"I warned you from three days away"
"I want to ask you if I may"
Why didn't you attend when I say"
"You should've killed me on that day"
"So that the evil would go away"
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It's ok Thrawn, I think everything will resolve itself tomorrow 
Also, what has ObviousOne done all game? He has only pushed mderg AFAIK and that is the person who was attacking the claimed vig. I made the assumption that no sane scum would do that, so why has ObviousOne made the opposite conclusion and why is that pretty much his only contribution?
He practically refrains from being a part of the Cav/Tofu lynch.
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On April 18 2014 02:16 OneThousandWords wrote:It's ok Thrawn, I think everything will resolve itself tomorrow Also, what has ObviousOne done all game? He has only pushed mderg AFAIK and that is the person who was attacking the claimed vig. I made the assumption that no sane scum would do that, so why has ObviousOne made the opposite conclusion and why is that pretty much his only contribution? He practically refrains from being a part of the Cav/Tofu lynch.
OO looks so scummy to me. He just takes advantage of everything that has been happening. However I thought that scum worked as a team to accomplish stuff. If he's in the team, then either he's not following the team agenda or he is teamed up with two other players that have been lurking all around. Quite possibly he's a scum. If yes, I think he's of an important role.
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On April 18 2014 02:16 OneThousandWords wrote:It's ok Thrawn, I think everything will resolve itself tomorrow Also, what has ObviousOne done all game? He has only pushed mderg AFAIK and that is the person who was attacking the claimed vig. I made the assumption that no sane scum would do that, so why has ObviousOne made the opposite conclusion and why is that pretty much his only contribution? He practically refrains from being a part of the Cav/Tofu lynch.
Captain obvious.
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This is a generic reminder to chill out and play nice. MMMMMMMMMK.
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On April 18 2014 02:39 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2014 02:16 OneThousandWords wrote:It's ok Thrawn, I think everything will resolve itself tomorrow Also, what has ObviousOne done all game? He has only pushed mderg AFAIK and that is the person who was attacking the claimed vig. I made the assumption that no sane scum would do that, so why has ObviousOne made the opposite conclusion and why is that pretty much his only contribution? He practically refrains from being a part of the Cav/Tofu lynch. Captain obvious.
Has ObviousOne received some sort of captaincy? I was unaware.
Koshi, I know you posted a list of people you scum read earlier but subsequently it gives me the benefit of seeing that you are wrong on me. I pretty much agree with what you wrote about the other two though, so, replacing me who is your third? I'd wholeheartedly suggest thrawn but you seem to have a town read on him.
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Although that big post he made does give me slight hesitance. Will have to read the thread at the time of the lynch again to make sure when I get home.
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On April 18 2014 03:16 OneThousandWords wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2014 02:39 Koshi wrote:On April 18 2014 02:16 OneThousandWords wrote:It's ok Thrawn, I think everything will resolve itself tomorrow Also, what has ObviousOne done all game? He has only pushed mderg AFAIK and that is the person who was attacking the claimed vig. I made the assumption that no sane scum would do that, so why has ObviousOne made the opposite conclusion and why is that pretty much his only contribution? He practically refrains from being a part of the Cav/Tofu lynch. Captain obvious. Has ObviousOne received some sort of captaincy? I was unaware. Koshi, I know you posted a list of people you scum read earlier but subsequently it gives me the benefit of seeing that you are wrong on me. I pretty much agree with what you wrote about the other two though, so, replacing me who is your third? I'd wholeheartedly suggest thrawn but you seem to have a town read on him.
I think it is going to be mderg.
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Or Kush
But you guys got the townread on Kush.
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I hope we have a cop that does a good check or is lynchbait himself. Same counts for doc and vig tbh.
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town only got 2 misslynches but they got the claims.
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On April 18 2014 01:43 thrawn2112 wrote:
otw i'm not gonna respond to any more of that stuff unless cavalniho flips scum. if that happens then we can talk about it all you like. i'm pretty sure that if you don't just read my filter on its own, if you actually go read the stuff in the hours leading up to the lynch then my thought process should be pretty obvious.
it was a tense moment. i didn't even realize that a tie meant no lynch until right before the deadline. i had reasons to think both leading candidates were scum, and I had reasons to think both candidates were town. if you were to ask me my thoughts for each minute leading up to the lynch I probably would have given you a different answer, that's how crazy things were. on top of that there was vivax who started derailing the conversation by calling me mafia for the most retarted reasons so I I also i to devote some energy to dealing with that. AND he brought up some points that countered everything I was thinking, and I slowly began to see things his way.
so votes are at 4-4 which means no lynch. i have no fukn clue who to vote for and people on both sides of the fence are acting so damn confident about their read. but if I kept my vote on cavalinho that means we no lynch and I didn't want that. at that exact moment in time I could have listed tons of reasons why I thought both of them were town, and tons of reaons for the opposite. if i seemed to have swtiched back and forth easily, that's just proof of how conflicted I was. and the icing on the cake is that i didn't feel like either of them were trying very hard. neither of them were really being that townie before the deadline, but i didn't think it was likley that both were scum, so I was really confused. thjat's why i said things didn't feel right.
so really, there are tons of reasons why i did what I did. it's not so black and white as you're making it.
Now what are you suggesting is my mafia agenda?
Say cavlin is scum. votes are at 4-4, with my vote on cavalin. i switch to FT. Do you really think that scum would make such a risky play? Assuming that cavalinho and i are scum, it's obvious that I'm going to look super shitty fort swinging the lynch onto the townie. Hell, cavalinho hasn't even flipped and people are still making the association read. Do you really think that that's what I'd do if I was scum? There were more people in the thread who were ok with lynch FT than there were with lynching cavalina. I could have just left my vote on cavalin, and he probably would have been saved becasue town would either have no-lynched, or people would have moved onto FT to avoid the no lynch. The momentum was definitely moving towards a FT lynch over a no lynch, do you think that scum thrawn would be the one to risk his neck by beaing the first person to vote for the townie FT? That's just ridiculous. You're suggesting that I literally made the worst, and most obvious move a scum player ever could have made in that situation.
And if cavalinho is town then your case completely falls apart.
this has been a pretty honest post, I feel like I've really opened up and explained exactly how I felt about the lynch. if anyone still wants to have this ridiculous conversation then that's too bad, I'll only entertain it if cavalinho flips scum (which tbh i am sorta thinking he might and that's frustrating as fuck)
This 100% makes sense.
On April 18 2014 01:50 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2014 01:04 kushm4sta wrote:
hi cav. what is most scummy about your filter, i would say, is the weak ressons behind your scumreads
CAV, you keep saying you gave reasons why FT over mderg.
I can't find where you gave them. CAV WHY YOU NO ANSWER YOU KEEP SAYING YOU GAVE THE REASONS WHY FT OVER MDERG I CANT FIND THEM
He probably means this post. It´s basically nothing, though.
On April 17 2014 03:33 Cavalinho wrote:
Your whole reasoning for voting me is that I'm focusing on FT rather than mderg. Guess what? I think mderg is scummy too. I just wanted to bring FT's actions into the spotlight rather than mderg's because more people were focusing on mderg.
Also, I have a question for you kush. Why is it that you ask me a question, and when you don't receive an answer due to me not being anywhere near the thread for some time, you vote me and say that I'm just focusing on FT? That's scummy. It's like you were planning on voting me regardless of my answer.
On April 18 2014 02:16 OneThousandWords wrote:It's ok Thrawn, I think everything will resolve itself tomorrow Also, what has ObviousOne done all game? He has only pushed mderg AFAIK and that is the person who was attacking the claimed vig. I made the assumption that no sane scum would do that, so why has ObviousOne made the opposite conclusion and why is that pretty much his only contribution? He practically refrains from being a part of the Cav/Tofu lynch.
I agree on OO being scummy. I think pretty much everyone agrees on that.
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mderg not scummy at all..
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that was sarcasm btw
@koshi what happened to the koshi who was amazing at reading me and always knew when i was scum?
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On April 18 2014 05:31 kushm4sta wrote:
that was sarcasm btw
@koshi what happened to the koshi who was amazing at reading me and always knew when i was scum?
You changed. Blame yourself.
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no way man. It's you who changed. You are playing so differently from how I remember.
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