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Killing
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada530 Posts
April 08 2014 16:46 GMT
#4189
On April 09 2014 01:45 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2014 01:45 Killing wrote:
On April 09 2014 01:25 sandroba wrote:
And btw do you happen to be a dragon?


Why are you looking for a dragon?

Dragon found.


Quite the opposite my friend but I am interested in your venture
Killing
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada530 Posts
April 08 2014 16:55 GMT
#4193
On April 09 2014 01:52 sandroba wrote:
@killing There are some hints of it in my role. Do you happen to be one?


There are some hints of it in my role as well. Do you think dragons are good or bad?
Killing
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada530 Posts
April 08 2014 16:56 GMT
#4195
On April 09 2014 01:54 Dandel Ion wrote:
Are dragons bad?

anyway, killing had the chrono trigger time stuff, so i doubt he's a dragoon.


I am definitely not a dragon. I did however watch "How to Train Your Dragon" thrice and am eagerly awaiting "How to Train Your Dragon 2". This makes me a sort of expert on the subject.
Killing
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada530 Posts
April 08 2014 19:41 GMT
#4229
On April 09 2014 04:32 austinmcc wrote:
Friendly Neighborhood Bird God Inquiry,

Everyone who super loves and believes this 100%, please raise your hand:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2014 09:47 Killing wrote:
On April 08 2014 09:24 Oatsmaster wrote:
On April 08 2014 09:22 Killing wrote:
##But the Future Refused to change: LSB

Oo more shennaies.


My ability was really good for town. I won't disclose everything it does but the chaos counter will now be reduced to 0 as a result. The rest I will not say. In the event I die, the people that I consider my highest of town know what happens to LSB.
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2014 09:59 Killing wrote:
On April 08 2014 09:58 Holyflare wrote:
you have 2 minutes to convince me not to


Besides the fact that I just activated a power that reduces chaos counter to 0 which basically confirms me as town?
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2014 10:12 Killing wrote:
Chaos counter: 0

Gimme dat blazing green read now
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2014 01:55 Killing wrote:
On April 09 2014 01:52 sandroba wrote:
@killing There are some hints of it in my role. Do you happen to be one?


There are some hints of it in my role as well. Do you think dragons are good or bad?
I believe most Grey roles to be balanced, especially in games like this with multiple counters, and apparently insanity and dragons and whatnot. I think, on the whole, Grey is unlikely to make a "Chaos counter to 0" role in this game, especially where the chaos counter is apparently bad for town if it gets high. It's there to loom and be bad and to make us use roles that influence the chaos counter in a certain way.

It's not there for some townie to go "LOL ZERO NOW" and wipe out any decision making. At least, that's my personal opinion.

heck, I'm more inclined to believe that, if this were a townie role, it would be balanced out by something BAD. Giving up a power, doing something negative, whatever, because things that are very good for town, stuck on townies, are often balanced. Look at all the "you have this passive and this active, when you activate the active your passive is gone" roles that have already flipped. Based on what I know, there are few "This is good and always good and will only do good things ever, enjoy!" roles, especially of the sort that are affecting counters.

But I also don't necessarily believe it's a townie role, still think Killing is unlikely to be blue or green, and is more likely to be red. The bad kind of red.


Geript, my offer stands. Based on the last couple pages, I don't think you're going to get a better offer. I don't even see anyone offering half an ankle, or to let you stare at their faces without a veil, or sit in the same room as them, or coyly engage them in discourse about the monarchy.


My reset the counter to 0 was a 1 time use. That's why it's balanced. I decided to use it yesterday because I was afraid if djo got mod killed and there were still a lot of mafia then town could be put in a position that would be really hard to win from. There was little reason to not use it yesterday and I also wanted to convince town that I'm town as we are nearing auto. I guess you were under the impression that I had unlimited uses? What are your thoughts now? Also, if I had use it once the counter had hit 3 and a decision had to be made, resetting the counter would not affect the decision.
Killing
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada530 Posts
April 08 2014 19:42 GMT
#4230
I also think it's balanced out by the terribleness of my role as I still cannot figure out how it's useful.
Killing
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada530 Posts
April 08 2014 19:52 GMT
#4234
On April 09 2014 04:44 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2014 04:41 Killing wrote:
My reset the counter to 0 was a 1 time use. That's why it's balanced. I decided to use it yesterday because I was afraid if djo got mod killed and there were still a lot of mafia then town could be put in a position that would be really hard to win from. There was little reason to not use it yesterday and I also wanted to convince town that I'm town as we are nearing auto. I guess you were under the impression that I had unlimited uses? What are your thoughts now? Also, if I had use it once the counter had hit 3 and a decision had to be made, resetting the counter would not affect the decision.
No. There's no way that's unlimited uses, I wouldn't have ever believed that, even if my birdmother was sitting in her deathnest and squawked that to me. But I don't think it's all positive and/or think you're lying. Same as thoughts before.

The last line is interesting, and if true, makes the power more balanced than what I was thinking.


Are you a dragon?
Killing
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada530 Posts
April 08 2014 21:51 GMT
#4301
On April 09 2014 06:32 austinmcc wrote:
If I have a chest full of stuff, I can't go "I am rich because I have so much stuff in this chest" and also go "I don't know what's in this chest or how much it's worth." I AM ON FIRE WITH MOSTLY TERRIBLE ANALOGIES TO WEIRD SITUATIONS THIS GAME.


If you open up a chest that has a million dollars in it and a weird old book with incantations in a language you don't understand, you can still reach the conclusion that you are rich.

I think the chaos reduction makes my role obviously town but it has little to do with the main portion of my role which I am still yet to wrap my head around. I've done a lot of reading and trying to figure out how it's relevant to the game but I still don't know.


@koshi If you're planning on using town kp on me, you should tell me now so that I can out my role and all the information i've gathered. I have exchanged roles with robik, paperscraps and tehpoofter so if you trust robik and/or paperscraps, you can consult them on my role although I asked them to not tell it to anyone.
Killing
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada530 Posts
April 08 2014 21:52 GMT
#4302
On April 09 2014 06:25 IAmRobik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2014 06:18 austinmcc wrote:
On April 09 2014 06:07 IAmRobik wrote:
On April 09 2014 06:03 austinmcc wrote:
And I really don't think that "he doesn't even know what the majority of it is used for" points in ANY direction. Like...that's irrelevant to alignment, imo.

"Hey guys I used my role so I'm super town and it did super town stuff and now I'm super town kkkk. Also I don't know what a majority of my role is good for. It might be good for mafia! I dunno. But it's townie and I'm townie yum yum."

If you don't know what your role really does, when it's useful, what it's useful for, AND YOU'RE BEING TRUTHFUL about your role, then how in the world can you argue that your role is townie and it's use is townie. You're claiming both to not know exactly what it does AND know that what you're doing is townie townie.

What he did is not the main function of his role. His role has another function. Anyway. Maybe he lied. You're right. But I think he was being sincere in our conversation
There's a whole chain of questionable crap there then.

Base level - maybe he lies
Next level - he doesn't know what he does
Next level - he argues that he's town for doing one town favored thing as part of his role

If you trust he wasn't lying about his role, that's fine fine. But if he sincerely DOES NOT KNOW WHAT HE REALLY DOES OR WHY IT'S GOOD, then it is difficult for me to go "Oh that's great, makes perfect sense he'd argue he's town based on his role." Because IF he's been 100% truthful, he doesn't actually KNOW if he's town-favored apparently. And if he's NOT being truthful, that's just a problem in and of itself.

Like...sincerely not knowing what you do or why it's useful is incompatible with "I did this thing with my role and it is townie so my role is townie so I'm town." Add that to his defense-ish of HF, no bueno.

For instance. You are Robik. How do you feel about that HF defense post? HF probably town because he wouldn't do this anti-town thing as mafia.

I'm pretty sure you can know you're town and still not know what the nature of your role abilities are. Like, if he made up the part that he "doesn't know" then he's a complete nutjob and has a fascinating imagination and I'm just gonna defriend him, cause he might just be a fucking crazy person that will try to find me and kill me IRL.


I literally started tearing up at the hilarity of this post.
Killing
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada530 Posts
April 08 2014 21:55 GMT
#4305
On April 09 2014 06:53 GreYMisT wrote:
2 hours remain in the day before quiet time. Remember to send your actions in to as many hosts as possible!


I'll be driving near the end of deadline so it's important you tell me now koshi.
Killing
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada530 Posts
April 08 2014 22:12 GMT
#4311
On April 09 2014 07:11 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2014 06:51 Killing wrote:
On April 09 2014 06:32 austinmcc wrote:
If I have a chest full of stuff, I can't go "I am rich because I have so much stuff in this chest" and also go "I don't know what's in this chest or how much it's worth." I AM ON FIRE WITH MOSTLY TERRIBLE ANALOGIES TO WEIRD SITUATIONS THIS GAME.


If you open up a chest that has a million dollars in it and a weird old book with incantations in a language you don't understand, you can still reach the conclusion that you are rich.

I think the chaos reduction makes my role obviously town but it has little to do with the main portion of my role which I am still yet to wrap my head around. I've done a lot of reading and trying to figure out how it's relevant to the game but I still don't know.


@koshi If you're planning on using town kp on me, you should tell me now so that I can out my role and all the information i've gathered. I have exchanged roles with robik, paperscraps and tehpoofter so if you trust robik and/or paperscraps, you can consult them on my role although I asked them to not tell it to anyone.

No I am not shooting you. JAT might shoot you.


AFAIK that's 3p kp so I can\t really do anything about that. Just making sure town doesn't kill me.
Killing
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada530 Posts
April 09 2014 01:04 GMT
#4366
ROFL SORRY GUMSHOE
Killing
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada530 Posts
April 09 2014 01:06 GMT
#4373
On April 09 2014 10:05 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2014 10:04 Killing wrote:
ROFL SORRY GUMSHOE
Is this the part where you go "Oh, I forgot to mention, but the way my chaos counter reset is balanced is that it also activates a prince of darkness power"


No, my role has "If the spectre visits you, he will dissipate". I didn't know if spectre was good or bad so I didn't tell anyone.
Killing
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada530 Posts
April 09 2014 01:08 GMT
#4378
On April 09 2014 10:07 VayneAuthority wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2014 10:06 Killing wrote:
On April 09 2014 10:05 austinmcc wrote:
On April 09 2014 10:04 Killing wrote:
ROFL SORRY GUMSHOE
Is this the part where you go "Oh, I forgot to mention, but the way my chaos counter reset is balanced is that it also activates a prince of darkness power"


No, my role has "If the spectre visits you, he will dissipate". I didn't know if spectre was good or bad so I didn't tell anyone.


You didn't do anything.

Once he has placed his vote (or at the end of the 3rd day), the Spectre dissipates and travels to the great beyond.


Then where was the lynch if he placed a vote? He would have dissipated last night.
Killing
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada530 Posts
April 09 2014 01:17 GMT
#4387
On April 09 2014 10:13 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2014 10:08 Killing wrote:
On April 09 2014 10:07 VayneAuthority wrote:
On April 09 2014 10:06 Killing wrote:
On April 09 2014 10:05 austinmcc wrote:
On April 09 2014 10:04 Killing wrote:
ROFL SORRY GUMSHOE
Is this the part where you go "Oh, I forgot to mention, but the way my chaos counter reset is balanced is that it also activates a prince of darkness power"


No, my role has "If the spectre visits you, he will dissipate". I didn't know if spectre was good or bad so I didn't tell anyone.


You didn't do anything.

Once he has placed his vote (or at the end of the 3rd day), the Spectre dissipates and travels to the great beyond.


Then where was the lynch if he placed a vote? He would have dissipated last night.
It is likely someone, and more likely than not someone scummy, has a power that skips a day. In PYP games it's "prince of darkness," basically a one-shot power to go from night --> night.


Then how did he get his vote in?
Killing
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada530 Posts
April 09 2014 01:54 GMT
#4415
On April 09 2014 10:27 IAmRobik wrote:
Oh, btw, Killing and Sandro know how to kill me and I'm still alive, so I'm just gonna go ahead and say they're town. Also, plammar may or may not know how to kill me, so the same applies to him.


I'll also say my BUT THE FUTURE DIDN'T CHANGE: LSB made it so that LSB's action got delayed until the counter hit 3 again. I'm not sure if this means that even though he's dead it will still go through so keep that in mind for later.
Killing
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada530 Posts
April 09 2014 01:55 GMT
#4416
@Robik Something something oats something something not nothing nothing.
Killing
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada530 Posts
April 09 2014 03:22 GMT
#4452
On April 09 2014 11:00 IAmRobik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2014 10:55 Killing wrote:
@Robik Something something oats something something not nothing nothing.

If we assume 1st is town, you think he needs to get got?


Dunno considering the info that we found out during PM ERA (rip in pepperoni), I'm just telling you so that if I die, you're updated. I checked him because he was one of my lynches so I wouldn't be mad about killing him anyways.
Killing
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada530 Posts
April 09 2014 03:27 GMT
#4459
On April 09 2014 12:25 Paperscraps wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2014 12:22 Killing wrote:
On April 09 2014 11:00 IAmRobik wrote:
On April 09 2014 10:55 Killing wrote:
@Robik Something something oats something something not nothing nothing.

If we assume 1st is town, you think he needs to get got?


Dunno considering the info that we found out during PM ERA (rip in pepperoni), I'm just telling you so that if I die, you're updated. I checked him because he was one of my lynches so I wouldn't be mad about killing him anyways.


IS HE A DRAGON MAN!??!?! Trogggdorrrrrr


Ask oats
Killing
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada530 Posts
April 09 2014 03:31 GMT
#4461
On April 09 2014 12:30 Paperscraps wrote:
@Oats, so you are not of this world. What are you?


Holy shit you're dumb
Killing
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada530 Posts
April 09 2014 03:55 GMT
#4470
On April 09 2014 12:37 Paperscraps wrote:
Or possibly some 3rd party role.


Please re-read our conversation cause you don't know what you're talking about and we went over it.
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