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On April 23 2014 00:17 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2014 00:13 syllogism wrote:
We considered having Oats kill WoS on the night he was supposed to use the invention. That, too, would have likely won us the game, but at the time it seemed a bit too brazen to have both inventions simultaneously go missing. How so? Oats killing me would have been a scumclaim either way I think, and it's not like BH being alive for the short time he was actually influenced anything at all (aside from forcing LSB to use his 'wish) Edit: A funny thing to consider is if I hadn't been so hell-bent on getting BH vigged town would have been in a much better position (assuming BH actually was going to play/use his role) throughout the game as well.
Oats would have gotten the invention and we would have resurrected someone. Surely town would realize that something is up when mafia steals both inventions in one cycle? Right?
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We didn't actually know that. I think hosts shouldn't allow town to make such built-in anti-mafia mechanics into their inventions. Just getting hands on the invention is extremely difficult.
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I was checked because I voted Tehpoofter. He could either check a person who voted for him or choose to check anyone, but that would raise chaos counter by 1.
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On April 23 2014 00:34 Crossfire99 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2014 00:29 syllogism wrote:On April 23 2014 00:17 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 23 2014 00:13 syllogism wrote:
We considered having Oats kill WoS on the night he was supposed to use the invention. That, too, would have likely won us the game, but at the time it seemed a bit too brazen to have both inventions simultaneously go missing. How so? Oats killing me would have been a scumclaim either way I think, and it's not like BH being alive for the short time he was actually influenced anything at all (aside from forcing LSB to use his 'wish) Edit: A funny thing to consider is if I hadn't been so hell-bent on getting BH vigged town would have been in a much better position (assuming BH actually was going to play/use his role) throughout the game as well. Oats would have gotten the invention and we would have resurrected someone. Surely town would realize that something is up when mafia steals both inventions in one cycle? Right? The invention could only resurrect the first person alphabetically, hence BH was guaranteed to be resurrected. You could have asked LSB to change that restriction though. As for town realizing about something being up; if oats did exactly the same thing he did (trapping WoS) but did it a few hours earlier, I doubt people would have seriously suspected (probably will still be suspicions) because assuming if everything was the same, people would have seen oats flip and seen that he was telling the truth. Yeah extra suspicion would have been put on people in the circle, but that probably would have been better because you could have used LSB's favor to get another scum back in the game.
It's completely different to do it after the invention has been used, but I suppose I'm giving town too much credit.
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That's not comparable at all, a non sequitur at best.
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On April 23 2014 00:40 Crossfire99 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2014 00:36 syllogism wrote:On April 23 2014 00:34 Crossfire99 wrote:On April 23 2014 00:29 syllogism wrote:On April 23 2014 00:17 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 23 2014 00:13 syllogism wrote:
We considered having Oats kill WoS on the night he was supposed to use the invention. That, too, would have likely won us the game, but at the time it seemed a bit too brazen to have both inventions simultaneously go missing. How so? Oats killing me would have been a scumclaim either way I think, and it's not like BH being alive for the short time he was actually influenced anything at all (aside from forcing LSB to use his 'wish) Edit: A funny thing to consider is if I hadn't been so hell-bent on getting BH vigged town would have been in a much better position (assuming BH actually was going to play/use his role) throughout the game as well. Oats would have gotten the invention and we would have resurrected someone. Surely town would realize that something is up when mafia steals both inventions in one cycle? Right? The invention could only resurrect the first person alphabetically, hence BH was guaranteed to be resurrected. You could have asked LSB to change that restriction though. As for town realizing about something being up; if oats did exactly the same thing he did (trapping WoS) but did it a few hours earlier, I doubt people would have seriously suspected (probably will still be suspicions) because assuming if everything was the same, people would have seen oats flip and seen that he was telling the truth. Yeah extra suspicion would have been put on people in the circle, but that probably would have been better because you could have used LSB's favor to get another scum back in the game. It's completely different to do it after the invention has been used, but I suppose I'm giving town too much credit. Not sure what you're saying here, but all I was getting at was that if Oats trapped WoS a few hours earlier, he kills him the night he uses the item, but he steals it before he uses it.
What I'm saying is that killing him afterwards doesn't make Sandro look suspicious, while killing him before does
(not that we wanted Oats to kill WoS at all, definitely not when he did)
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On April 23 2014 00:48 Amiko wrote:
Just wondering syllo, why did you want to fakeclaim me visiting kita? I just figured you would gain more by mislynching someone who was likely town over 3p.
I thought it would be easier to get a third party lynched (initially I thought you were lying about some aspects of your role and possibly couldn't win with mafia). Sandro was bussing me already over PMs and I thought I couldn't survive a PM day without insane effort or a claim like that. I didn't want to fake claim to anyone else as coming up with a reasonable fake claim takes effort. "Claiming" to Sandro on the other hand took no effort and possibly gave Sandro some town cred. Another issue was that I could only use my nuke within the first 24 hours of the day, so I had to know by that point whether I'm likely to get lynched or not.
I initially wanted to utilize Oat's role for my claim. That is, claim a third party who has to kill Gandalf to win, but we went with the tracker idea instead.
e: also my decision to track the person I claimed having tracked had to make sense. I could only choose either a suspicious looking townie (who might get mislynched later anyway) or a third party. In addition, the townie role claiming could have convinced town that I was lying.
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On April 23 2014 01:30 Amiko wrote:Thanks for explaining syllogism  Also I was sad reading the scum QT that you didn't pass on the 'pumpkin pie' password (this was supposed we coordinated in PM to be something scum could use to verify that they were scum if they wanted to joint win)... I made myself search for it on every page to make sure I didn't miss a signal. @VE: I was just wondering did you think any of the other horses were not town? (from your PM I mean it sounded like they weren't scum, so could potentially be 3p)
Essentially all my communications with Sandro were on skype, not on the QT. I didn't pass it on to anyone else since I didn't think anyone else could survive long enough for that to matter. I wish I had made the password a bit more subtle so Sandro could have hinted you that he is mafia earlier, although I'm not sure how you would have reacted to that.
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On April 23 2014 05:46 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2014 00:33 syllogism wrote:
We didn't actually know that. I think hosts shouldn't allow town to make such built-in anti-mafia mechanics into their inventions. Just getting hands on the invention is extremely difficult. Well, it's not as if prince of darkness has any use for town. You got one invention each. Under other circumstances it's quite possible neither of the inventions would've been allowed, but as it is, we allowed them both.
Town had 3 potential inventors though and the odds of mafia ever inventing anything in this setup were dismal. Unless mafia gets really lucky with n1 kills, there are going to be several almost confirmed townies on d2 and town could have just let those players assemble the invention. I'm not sure if I agree with the notion of allowing or disallowing inventions based on what is going on in the game.
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I wasn't complaining about overpowered roles, just making the point that it seems unfair to say that mafia and town both got to make an invention that was near useless to the other faction. For mafia to make an invention the town had to make pretty crucial mistakes. Furthermore, the mafia inventor has to deal with suspicion arising from the fact town didn't for whatever reason get to benefit from it (it got lost, I swear!), while the town inventor gets town cred.
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I think VE's role was good, but I don't like the implications it has on the rest of the horses when he flips. That's usually the problem with these "one mafia in a QT" situations though.
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