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I was both in the town circle and did a lot of filter analysis that led to iamperfection and syllogism being checked and/or lynched. Everyone whining is ridiculous.
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Needed the invention to res BH so he resses more people so scum shoot the confirmed townies instead of me.
ez plan
but then scum was rewarded for being bad because lolroles
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I was checked because I voted Tehpoofter. He could either check a person who voted for him or choose to check anyone, but that would raise chaos counter by 1.
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On April 23 2014 00:29 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2014 00:17 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 23 2014 00:13 syllogism wrote:
We considered having Oats kill WoS on the night he was supposed to use the invention. That, too, would have likely won us the game, but at the time it seemed a bit too brazen to have both inventions simultaneously go missing. How so? Oats killing me would have been a scumclaim either way I think, and it's not like BH being alive for the short time he was actually influenced anything at all (aside from forcing LSB to use his 'wish) Edit: A funny thing to consider is if I hadn't been so hell-bent on getting BH vigged town would have been in a much better position (assuming BH actually was going to play/use his role) throughout the game as well. Oats would have gotten the invention and we would have resurrected someone. Surely town would realize that something is up when mafia steals both inventions in one cycle? Right?
The invention could only resurrect the first person alphabetically, hence BH was guaranteed to be resurrected. You could have asked LSB to change that restriction though. As for town realizing about something being up; if oats did exactly the same thing he did (trapping WoS) but did it a few hours earlier, I doubt people would have seriously suspected (probably will still be suspicions) because assuming if everything was the same, people would have seen oats flip and seen that he was telling the truth. Yeah extra suspicion would have been put on people in the circle, but that probably would have been better because you could have used LSB's favor to get another scum back in the game.
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On April 23 2014 00:33 syllogism wrote:
We didn't actually know that. I think hosts shouldn't allow town to make such built-in anti-mafia mechanics into their inventions. Just getting hands on the invention is extremely difficult.
I heard there were other way more ridonkulous iterations that were rejected. On-the-fly hosting is tough with regards to inventions, man.
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On April 23 2014 00:34 Crossfire99 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2014 00:29 syllogism wrote:On April 23 2014 00:17 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 23 2014 00:13 syllogism wrote:
We considered having Oats kill WoS on the night he was supposed to use the invention. That, too, would have likely won us the game, but at the time it seemed a bit too brazen to have both inventions simultaneously go missing. How so? Oats killing me would have been a scumclaim either way I think, and it's not like BH being alive for the short time he was actually influenced anything at all (aside from forcing LSB to use his 'wish) Edit: A funny thing to consider is if I hadn't been so hell-bent on getting BH vigged town would have been in a much better position (assuming BH actually was going to play/use his role) throughout the game as well. Oats would have gotten the invention and we would have resurrected someone. Surely town would realize that something is up when mafia steals both inventions in one cycle? Right? The invention could only resurrect the first person alphabetically, hence BH was guaranteed to be resurrected. You could have asked LSB to change that restriction though. As for town realizing about something being up; if oats did exactly the same thing he did (trapping WoS) but did it a few hours earlier, I doubt people would have seriously suspected (probably will still be suspicions) because assuming if everything was the same, people would have seen oats flip and seen that he was telling the truth. Yeah extra suspicion would have been put on people in the circle, but that probably would have been better because you could have used LSB's favor to get another scum back in the game.
It's completely different to do it after the invention has been used, but I suppose I'm giving town too much credit.
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I think hosts shouldn't allow scum to make such mis-leading anti-town namings into their inventions. Just getting hands on the invention is extremely difficult.
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That's not comparable at all, a non sequitur at best.
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On April 23 2014 00:36 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2014 00:34 Crossfire99 wrote:On April 23 2014 00:29 syllogism wrote:On April 23 2014 00:17 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 23 2014 00:13 syllogism wrote:
We considered having Oats kill WoS on the night he was supposed to use the invention. That, too, would have likely won us the game, but at the time it seemed a bit too brazen to have both inventions simultaneously go missing. How so? Oats killing me would have been a scumclaim either way I think, and it's not like BH being alive for the short time he was actually influenced anything at all (aside from forcing LSB to use his 'wish) Edit: A funny thing to consider is if I hadn't been so hell-bent on getting BH vigged town would have been in a much better position (assuming BH actually was going to play/use his role) throughout the game as well. Oats would have gotten the invention and we would have resurrected someone. Surely town would realize that something is up when mafia steals both inventions in one cycle? Right? The invention could only resurrect the first person alphabetically, hence BH was guaranteed to be resurrected. You could have asked LSB to change that restriction though. As for town realizing about something being up; if oats did exactly the same thing he did (trapping WoS) but did it a few hours earlier, I doubt people would have seriously suspected (probably will still be suspicions) because assuming if everything was the same, people would have seen oats flip and seen that he was telling the truth. Yeah extra suspicion would have been put on people in the circle, but that probably would have been better because you could have used LSB's favor to get another scum back in the game. It's completely different to do it after the invention has been used, but I suppose I'm giving town too much credit.
Not sure what you're saying here, but all I was getting at was that if Oats trapped WoS a few hours earlier, he kills him the night he uses the item, but he steals it before he uses it.
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On April 23 2014 00:40 Crossfire99 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2014 00:36 syllogism wrote:On April 23 2014 00:34 Crossfire99 wrote:On April 23 2014 00:29 syllogism wrote:On April 23 2014 00:17 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 23 2014 00:13 syllogism wrote:
We considered having Oats kill WoS on the night he was supposed to use the invention. That, too, would have likely won us the game, but at the time it seemed a bit too brazen to have both inventions simultaneously go missing. How so? Oats killing me would have been a scumclaim either way I think, and it's not like BH being alive for the short time he was actually influenced anything at all (aside from forcing LSB to use his 'wish) Edit: A funny thing to consider is if I hadn't been so hell-bent on getting BH vigged town would have been in a much better position (assuming BH actually was going to play/use his role) throughout the game as well. Oats would have gotten the invention and we would have resurrected someone. Surely town would realize that something is up when mafia steals both inventions in one cycle? Right? The invention could only resurrect the first person alphabetically, hence BH was guaranteed to be resurrected. You could have asked LSB to change that restriction though. As for town realizing about something being up; if oats did exactly the same thing he did (trapping WoS) but did it a few hours earlier, I doubt people would have seriously suspected (probably will still be suspicions) because assuming if everything was the same, people would have seen oats flip and seen that he was telling the truth. Yeah extra suspicion would have been put on people in the circle, but that probably would have been better because you could have used LSB's favor to get another scum back in the game. It's completely different to do it after the invention has been used, but I suppose I'm giving town too much credit. Not sure what you're saying here, but all I was getting at was that if Oats trapped WoS a few hours earlier, he kills him the night he uses the item, but he steals it before he uses it.
What I'm saying is that killing him afterwards doesn't make Sandro look suspicious, while killing him before does
(not that we wanted Oats to kill WoS at all, definitely not when he did)
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On April 23 2014 00:41 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2014 00:40 Crossfire99 wrote:On April 23 2014 00:36 syllogism wrote:On April 23 2014 00:34 Crossfire99 wrote:On April 23 2014 00:29 syllogism wrote:On April 23 2014 00:17 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 23 2014 00:13 syllogism wrote:
We considered having Oats kill WoS on the night he was supposed to use the invention. That, too, would have likely won us the game, but at the time it seemed a bit too brazen to have both inventions simultaneously go missing. How so? Oats killing me would have been a scumclaim either way I think, and it's not like BH being alive for the short time he was actually influenced anything at all (aside from forcing LSB to use his 'wish) Edit: A funny thing to consider is if I hadn't been so hell-bent on getting BH vigged town would have been in a much better position (assuming BH actually was going to play/use his role) throughout the game as well. Oats would have gotten the invention and we would have resurrected someone. Surely town would realize that something is up when mafia steals both inventions in one cycle? Right? The invention could only resurrect the first person alphabetically, hence BH was guaranteed to be resurrected. You could have asked LSB to change that restriction though. As for town realizing about something being up; if oats did exactly the same thing he did (trapping WoS) but did it a few hours earlier, I doubt people would have seriously suspected (probably will still be suspicions) because assuming if everything was the same, people would have seen oats flip and seen that he was telling the truth. Yeah extra suspicion would have been put on people in the circle, but that probably would have been better because you could have used LSB's favor to get another scum back in the game. It's completely different to do it after the invention has been used, but I suppose I'm giving town too much credit. Not sure what you're saying here, but all I was getting at was that if Oats trapped WoS a few hours earlier, he kills him the night he uses the item, but he steals it before he uses it. What I'm saying is that killing him afterwards doesn't make Sandro look suspicious, while killing him before does
I agree that it makes him look a little suspicious, but if Oats pulled the exact same move, but actually claimed straight up that he needed Gandalf dead, it would have probably been less suspicious than a NK. Just pull a JAT, and claim that you think you're leaving the game or something, but have no clue when that doesn't happen.
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On April 23 2014 00:41 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2014 00:40 Crossfire99 wrote:On April 23 2014 00:36 syllogism wrote:On April 23 2014 00:34 Crossfire99 wrote:On April 23 2014 00:29 syllogism wrote:On April 23 2014 00:17 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 23 2014 00:13 syllogism wrote:
We considered having Oats kill WoS on the night he was supposed to use the invention. That, too, would have likely won us the game, but at the time it seemed a bit too brazen to have both inventions simultaneously go missing. How so? Oats killing me would have been a scumclaim either way I think, and it's not like BH being alive for the short time he was actually influenced anything at all (aside from forcing LSB to use his 'wish) Edit: A funny thing to consider is if I hadn't been so hell-bent on getting BH vigged town would have been in a much better position (assuming BH actually was going to play/use his role) throughout the game as well. Oats would have gotten the invention and we would have resurrected someone. Surely town would realize that something is up when mafia steals both inventions in one cycle? Right? The invention could only resurrect the first person alphabetically, hence BH was guaranteed to be resurrected. You could have asked LSB to change that restriction though. As for town realizing about something being up; if oats did exactly the same thing he did (trapping WoS) but did it a few hours earlier, I doubt people would have seriously suspected (probably will still be suspicions) because assuming if everything was the same, people would have seen oats flip and seen that he was telling the truth. Yeah extra suspicion would have been put on people in the circle, but that probably would have been better because you could have used LSB's favor to get another scum back in the game. It's completely different to do it after the invention has been used, but I suppose I'm giving town too much credit. Not sure what you're saying here, but all I was getting at was that if Oats trapped WoS a few hours earlier, he kills him the night he uses the item, but he steals it before he uses it. What I'm saying is that killing him afterwards doesn't make Sandro look suspicious, while killing him before does (not that we wanted Oats to kill WoS at all, definitely not when he did)
Eh I sort of disagree. I guess delayed suspicion happened in this case as opposed to being suspicious right away, maybe you're right.
But either way I think the issue was that Oats decided to YOLOkill me in general rather than the usefulness of the invention (again, in the end it wasn't useful at all thanks to LSB---and even if you could have used LSB's ability for something else, it was super unpredictable considering how its use was resolved)---lol I could swear I remember Oats asking like a cycle before if he should YOLO as well. I would have died even earlier.
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Just wondering syllo, why did you want to fakeclaim me visiting kita? I just figured you would gain more by mislynching someone who was likely town over 3p.
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On April 23 2014 00:43 Crossfire99 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2014 00:41 syllogism wrote:On April 23 2014 00:40 Crossfire99 wrote:On April 23 2014 00:36 syllogism wrote:On April 23 2014 00:34 Crossfire99 wrote:On April 23 2014 00:29 syllogism wrote:On April 23 2014 00:17 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 23 2014 00:13 syllogism wrote:
We considered having Oats kill WoS on the night he was supposed to use the invention. That, too, would have likely won us the game, but at the time it seemed a bit too brazen to have both inventions simultaneously go missing. How so? Oats killing me would have been a scumclaim either way I think, and it's not like BH being alive for the short time he was actually influenced anything at all (aside from forcing LSB to use his 'wish) Edit: A funny thing to consider is if I hadn't been so hell-bent on getting BH vigged town would have been in a much better position (assuming BH actually was going to play/use his role) throughout the game as well. Oats would have gotten the invention and we would have resurrected someone. Surely town would realize that something is up when mafia steals both inventions in one cycle? Right? The invention could only resurrect the first person alphabetically, hence BH was guaranteed to be resurrected. You could have asked LSB to change that restriction though. As for town realizing about something being up; if oats did exactly the same thing he did (trapping WoS) but did it a few hours earlier, I doubt people would have seriously suspected (probably will still be suspicions) because assuming if everything was the same, people would have seen oats flip and seen that he was telling the truth. Yeah extra suspicion would have been put on people in the circle, but that probably would have been better because you could have used LSB's favor to get another scum back in the game. It's completely different to do it after the invention has been used, but I suppose I'm giving town too much credit. Not sure what you're saying here, but all I was getting at was that if Oats trapped WoS a few hours earlier, he kills him the night he uses the item, but he steals it before he uses it. What I'm saying is that killing him afterwards doesn't make Sandro look suspicious, while killing him before does I agree that it makes him look a little suspicious, but if Oats pulled the exact same move, but actually claimed straight up that he needed Gandalf dead, it would have probably been less suspicious than a NK. Just pull a JAT, and claim that you think you're leaving the game or something, but have no clue when that doesn't happen.
Nah I still think that kill is a scumclaim considering how late in the game it was done---JAT's claim and the detail involved looks like legit 3P while the 3P Oats tried to claim especially considering how much he had lied to Palmar before looked shitty.
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On April 23 2014 00:48 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2014 00:43 Crossfire99 wrote:On April 23 2014 00:41 syllogism wrote:On April 23 2014 00:40 Crossfire99 wrote:On April 23 2014 00:36 syllogism wrote:On April 23 2014 00:34 Crossfire99 wrote:On April 23 2014 00:29 syllogism wrote:On April 23 2014 00:17 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 23 2014 00:13 syllogism wrote:
We considered having Oats kill WoS on the night he was supposed to use the invention. That, too, would have likely won us the game, but at the time it seemed a bit too brazen to have both inventions simultaneously go missing. How so? Oats killing me would have been a scumclaim either way I think, and it's not like BH being alive for the short time he was actually influenced anything at all (aside from forcing LSB to use his 'wish) Edit: A funny thing to consider is if I hadn't been so hell-bent on getting BH vigged town would have been in a much better position (assuming BH actually was going to play/use his role) throughout the game as well. Oats would have gotten the invention and we would have resurrected someone. Surely town would realize that something is up when mafia steals both inventions in one cycle? Right? The invention could only resurrect the first person alphabetically, hence BH was guaranteed to be resurrected. You could have asked LSB to change that restriction though. As for town realizing about something being up; if oats did exactly the same thing he did (trapping WoS) but did it a few hours earlier, I doubt people would have seriously suspected (probably will still be suspicions) because assuming if everything was the same, people would have seen oats flip and seen that he was telling the truth. Yeah extra suspicion would have been put on people in the circle, but that probably would have been better because you could have used LSB's favor to get another scum back in the game. It's completely different to do it after the invention has been used, but I suppose I'm giving town too much credit. Not sure what you're saying here, but all I was getting at was that if Oats trapped WoS a few hours earlier, he kills him the night he uses the item, but he steals it before he uses it. What I'm saying is that killing him afterwards doesn't make Sandro look suspicious, while killing him before does I agree that it makes him look a little suspicious, but if Oats pulled the exact same move, but actually claimed straight up that he needed Gandalf dead, it would have probably been less suspicious than a NK. Just pull a JAT, and claim that you think you're leaving the game or something, but have no clue when that doesn't happen. Nah I still think that kill is a scumclaim considering how late in the game it was done---JAT's claim and the detail involved looks like legit 3P while the 3P Oats tried to claim especially considering how much he had lied to Palmar before looked shitty.
I agree 100% it is a scumclaim, but I think it is a scumclaim that doesn't implicate Sandro and the fact that the town circle is compromised which would be indicated if you were night killed. I just said oats should BS as much as possible but say that he needed you dead. People wouldn't believe it but then when he flipped, they would see that it was true and there wasn't going to be much suspicion on Sandro because of that YOLO kill that prevents a resurrection like there would normally.
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On April 23 2014 00:48 Amiko wrote:
Just wondering syllo, why did you want to fakeclaim me visiting kita? I just figured you would gain more by mislynching someone who was likely town over 3p.
I thought it would be easier to get a third party lynched (initially I thought you were lying about some aspects of your role and possibly couldn't win with mafia). Sandro was bussing me already over PMs and I thought I couldn't survive a PM day without insane effort or a claim like that. I didn't want to fake claim to anyone else as coming up with a reasonable fake claim takes effort. "Claiming" to Sandro on the other hand took no effort and possibly gave Sandro some town cred. Another issue was that I could only use my nuke within the first 24 hours of the day, so I had to know by that point whether I'm likely to get lynched or not.
I initially wanted to utilize Oat's role for my claim. That is, claim a third party who has to kill Gandalf to win, but we went with the tracker idea instead.
e: also my decision to track the person I claimed having tracked had to make sense. I could only choose either a suspicious looking townie (who might get mislynched later anyway) or a third party. In addition, the townie role claiming could have convinced town that I was lying.
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I didn't "basically claim scum" you dicks, it took the guy who was tunneling me all game long to lynch me with a mayor vote. I was town enough to survive a majority lynch if I had to. Anyone saying I "claimed scum" is wrong and should feel bad.
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Who lynched you? Geript or snb?
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Like I don't care if SnB was "certain" or whatever, at the time he lynched me he was confirming his bias. Period. If it was ANYONE else I could have talked my way out of it. My only play was to support someone else for mayor, but Sandroba had fucked off and if he HAD been around I figured I was /his/ lynch too. I admit that I clocked out on the day I got lynched but I maintain that I did what I could with what I had.
Perhaps not claiming to syllo was a misplay on my part. I chalk it up to paranoia due to experience.
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I'm just sad I lost on a scumteam with syllo and Sandroba. If I had been actually /on/ this scumteam the game would have been completely different I think.
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