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justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16342 Posts
April 16 2014 17:26 GMT
#5781
On April 17 2014 02:22 geript wrote:
I have no clue what caused the no NKs. Nor am I going to bother trying to imagine scenarios which created it. Could be 2 saves. Could be reduced KP and a save. Could be anything. The point specifically is that it doesn't matter because it doesn't help actually find scum. Right now, everyone shoudl full roleclaim. There's few enough people in the game that it doesn't matter.

Then what are you babbling about? If you have no idea then don't paint me guilty.
I already fully roleclaimed so do what you want in that regard.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16342 Posts
April 16 2014 18:28 GMT
#5784
This is getting ridiculous geript.

1) Calling me scum is basically admitting that you haven't read the thread or my filter once.
2) It seems like you are just doing everything to get me lynched/you change your reasoning for doing so all the time. You aren't reevaluating, you are frantically looking for different reasons to lynch me.
3) If I was scum that would mean there are 5 (!) scum left and town has already lost.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16342 Posts
April 16 2014 20:00 GMT
#5791
On April 17 2014 03:42 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2014 03:28 justanothertownie wrote:
This is getting ridiculous geript.

1) Calling me scum is basically admitting that you haven't read the thread or my filter once.
2) It seems like you are just doing everything to get me lynched/you change your reasoning for doing so all the time. You aren't reevaluating, you are frantically looking for different reasons to lynch me.
3) If I was scum that would mean there are 5 (!) scum left and town has already lost.

1) No. I haven't read your filter. I don't need to. You have somehow failed to kill anyone that you've been asked/told to kill. N2 I roleblocked you... hmmm ok. N3 S&B roleblocked you... hmmm ok. N4 you supposedly kill oats who is immune still. N5 you did nothing? That's bullshit. Last night you killed someone; likely Dandel because he wanted to kill you. If you killed Palmer or Austin then you definitely didn't have permission to kill them. The thing is you've either been lying about being roleblocked or lying about who you've been killing. I find the latter far more likely. So because you're playing anti-town, then you're most likely scum. It's possible that you're not, but unlikely.
2) No, my reasoning expands as time goes on. You've been 100% worthless. I 100% think you're lying about not attacking last night. The deaths don't add up. I thought you were lying about Oats RB'ing you, apparently he was just immune; plus your role claim (3P survivor that requires to kill insane people) makes 0 sense. Like that's a super odd, hard to believe role especially when your KP has only targeted town aligned players.
3) WTF? Are you honestly trying to spout this shit? No, 1 KP was from you. I didn't RB you, afaik no one else has claimed an RB on you. There were 3 deaths when there have reasonably consistently been two for a while now. So no, there aren't 5 scum. At most, there are 3 scum. Quite frankly, we're at the point in the game where the people who we've slowly been putting of, need to be lynched. You're not town and you're not helping so we kill you. It's that simple.

Ok, it is decided. This guy can't be town. Even geript can't be this misguided.
It is possibly LYLO. YES, YOU DO HAVE TO READ THE FILTER OF THE PERSON YOU WANT TO LYNCH AS TOWN. I dare anyone to look at how I claimed and tell me with a straigth face that this makes any sense whatsoever as scum.
I failed to kill who I was supposed to kill? Let's see about that:
I got rbed 2 times. That you are even questioning this is ridiculous because it was you and S&B who rbed me. Are you calling S&B a liar? Also town did not tell me to shoot anyone those nights.
I shot oats once but couldn't kill him (confirmed possible by his role pm). Why wasn't there another kill if that is not the truth? My story makes absolute sense here.
I was told to shoot Amiko and failed. This time I have no explanation for it - I just don't know what happened there but the other nightkills make no sense for me.
I never claimed to be a survivor. Geript doesn't even know what I claimed but he still "100% knows that I am lying". Yeah, sure.
He even admits that "at most there are 3 scum". If I am 3P that means LYLO. If I am scum nothing makes any sense. For example that there were only 2 nightkills the night before the last one.

This guy has an agenda and that is preventing a scumlynch. By going for a lynch on me he is defending his buddys by proxy. lol, he even calls Killing scummier than VE. He doesn't reevaluate things. He doesn't care that the nightkills point towards LYLO and isn't even interested in entertaining this thought because if he mislynches me here his scumteam wins.
Geript is either displaying the most horrendous and blinded townplay imaginable or he is just simply scum.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16342 Posts
April 16 2014 20:02 GMT
#5792
On April 17 2014 04:42 sandroba wrote:
To be honest I have you as townie geript, but I'm just afraid that you might be a hero mafia that is putting in a lot of effort. That's mainly because of the LSB shennanies and now you are somehow trying to sell me as mafia. If you can guarantee jat is roleblocked tonight then I'm okay killing VE instead.
The whole deal about jat is the following:
He is either telling the truth, in which case he didnt try to kill me on the couple nights he wasnt rbed and amiko is lying to us about his ability. In that case if jat manages to kill me tonight we possibly lose 2 townies plus jat leaves the game which means tomorrow is lylo is VE isnt the last scum.
If he is lying and VE isnt the last scum, we can possibly lose 2 townies and town is put into kingmaker position tomorrow chosing between who wins amongst sk or mafia.
What I'm saying is that if jat can't be rbed we need to kill him today.
As for explaining my reads I wont bother as those are pretty self explanatory if you look at the events of the game. The only one I could possibly be wrong about is killing, but he's kept his story straight and I trust the meta read from paper.
So bottom line is if you can rb jat we kill ve, otherwise we kill jat.

I already told you why I can't be SK. And even if I was that would be all the more reason for town to let me live because a SK would need to shoot scum right now.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16342 Posts
April 16 2014 20:28 GMT
#5793
On April 17 2014 03:44 geript wrote:
Plus JAT is confirmed bullshitting around. JAT is the obvkill here just like Oats was before.

You are so full of shit. Confirmed bullshitting around? I see no prove for this statement anywhere. Oats was an obvkill because he basically claimed scum. You can't even compare that to what you are bringing up against me. I mean of course you can but it only shows that you aren't arguing reasonable and are scum.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16342 Posts
April 16 2014 20:49 GMT
#5795
There is no reason to assume there can't be 3 3P in a game like this. Literally 0 reason. It is also IMPOSSIBLE that there were only 5 scum based on the nightkills alone. 5 scum would also be heavily imbalanced and town favoured for this kind of game.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16342 Posts
April 16 2014 20:51 GMT
#5796
Geript is calling me the last scum with 3 KP last night. Logic much?
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16342 Posts
April 16 2014 20:53 GMT
#5797
Ok, I take back the last post that was in case I was 3P. Still even if I am 3P 5 scum are impossible by nightkills alone.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16342 Posts
April 16 2014 21:42 GMT
#5801
On April 17 2014 06:31 geript wrote:
Color Coding:
Confirmed Town
Confirmed Scum
Confirmed non-Town
+ Show Spoiler [Vote Counts] +

On April 03 2014 09:09 GreYMisT wrote: Hour 0

On April 04 2014 01:35 LoneMeow wrote: Hour 16.5

IAmRobik (0): Palmar
LSB (1): VisceraEyes
yamato77 (1): Holyflare
austinmcc (1): raynpelikoneet, raynpelikoneet
kitaman27 (1): Dandel Ion
VisceraEyes (0): Palmar
Balla24 (3): iamperfection, Oatsmaster, Palmar

Not voting (23): IAmRobik, LSB, austinmcc, Paperscraps, VayneAuthority, Koshi, Hopeless1der, yamato77, Tehpoofter, kitaman27, WaveofShadow, strongandbig, Amiko, Killing, Balla24, syllogism, marvellosity, justanothertownie, Djodref, Foolishness, sandroba, gumshoe, Keirathi

On April 04 2014 05:56 LoneMeow wrote: Hour 21

IAmRobik (0): Palmar
LSB (1): VisceraEyes
yamato77 (2): Holyflare, LSB
austinmcc (0): raynpelikoneet, raynpelikoneet
kitaman27 (1): Dandel Ion
VisceraEyes (0): Palmar
Balla24 (2): iamperfection, Oatsmaster, Palmar
marvellosity (2): Palmar, raynpelikoneet

Not voting (22): IAmRobik, austinmcc, Paperscraps, VayneAuthority, Koshi, Hopeless1der, yamato77, Tehpoofter, kitaman27, WaveofShadow, strongandbig, Amiko, Killing, Balla24, syllogism, marvellosity, justanothertownie, Djodref, Foolishness, sandroba, gumshoe, Keirathi

On April 04 2014 17:54 LoneMeow wrote: Hour 34

IAmRobik (0): Palmar
iamperfection (1): Foolishness
Holyflare (4): sandroba, marvellosity, Dandel Ion, yamato77
LSB (0): VisceraEyes
Paperscraps (2): Blazinghand, marvellosity, Amiko
yamato77 (2): Holyflare, LSB
kitaman27 (1): Dandel Ion, Palmar
VisceraEyes (0): Palmar
VayneAuthority (2): VisceraEyes, Oatsmaster
gumshoe (0): kitaman27
Dandel Ion (1): kitaman27
Blazinghand (2): iamperfection, Oatsmaster, Palmar, Paperscraps, Dandel Ion, WaveofShadow
marvellosity (2): [s]Palmar, Koshi, Koshi, Paperscraps

Not voting (12): IAmRobik, austinmcc, VayneAuthority, Hopeless1der, Tehpoofter, strongandbig, Killing, syllogism, justanothertownie, Djodref, gumshoe, Keirathi

On April 04 2014 23:27 LoneMeow wrote: Hour 39.5

IAmRobik (0): Palmar, Tehpoofter
iamperfection (2): Foolishness, kitaman27
Holyflare (3): sandroba, marvellosity, Dandel Ion, yamato77
LSB (0): VisceraEyes
Paperscraps (7): Blazinghand, marvellosity, Amiko, marvellosity, Tehpoofter, Holyflare, Holyflare, Oatsmaster, iamperfection
yamato77 (1): Holyflare, LSB
kitaman27 (1): Dandel Ion, Palmar
VisceraEyes (0): Palmar
VayneAuthority (1): VisceraEyes, Oatsmaster
gumshoe (0): kitaman27
Dandel Ion (0): kitaman27
Blazinghand (1): iamperfection, Oatsmaster, Palmar, Paperscraps, Dandel Ion, WaveofShadow
marvellosity (1): Palmar, Koshi, Koshi, Paperscraps

Not voting (12): IAmRobik, austinmcc, VayneAuthority, Koshi, Hopeless1der, strongandbig, Killing, syllogism, justanothertownie, Djodref, gumshoe, Keirathi

On April 05 2014 06:02 LoneMeow wrote: Hour 46


IAmRobik (0): Palmar, Tehpoofter
iamperfection (2): Foolishness, kitaman27, Paperscraps
Holyflare (2): sandroba, marvellosity, Dandel Ion, yamato77
LSB (0): VisceraEyes
Paperscraps (13): Blazinghand, marvellosity, Amiko, marvellosity, Tehpoofter, Holyflare, Holyflare, Oatsmaster, iamperfection, Palmar, justanothertownie, LSB, VisceraEyes, Koshi, strongandbig
Amiko (1): kitaman27
yamato77 (0): Holyflare, LSB
Tehpoofter (1): syllogism
kitaman27 (0): Dandel Ion, Palmar
VisceraEyes (0): Palmar
VayneAuthority (0): VisceraEyes, Oatsmaster
gumshoe (0): kitaman27, syllogism
Dandel Ion (0): kitaman27
Blazinghand (1): iamperfection, Oatsmaster, Palmar, Paperscraps, Dandel Ion, WaveofShadow
marvellosity (0): Palmar, Koshi, Koshi, Paperscraps

Not voting (9): IAmRobik, austinmcc, VayneAuthority, Hopeless1der, Killing, Djodref, sandroba, gumshoe, Keirathi

On April 05 2014 08:15 LoneMeow wrote: Hour 48.25

IAmRobik (0): Palmar, Tehpoofter
iamperfection (1): Foolishness, kitaman27, Paperscraps
Holyflare (0): sandroba, marvellosity, Dandel Ion, yamato77
LSB (0): VisceraEyes
Paperscraps (12): Blazinghand, marvellosity, Amiko, marvellosity, Tehpoofter, Holyflare, Holyflare, Oatsmaster, iamperfection, Palmar, justanothertownie, LSB, VisceraEyes, Koshi, strongandbig, Hopeless1der, kitaman27, kitaman27
Amiko (3): kitaman27, Paperscraps, Killing, IAmRobik
yamato77 (0): Holyflare, LSB
Tehpoofter (1): syllogism
kitaman27 (0): Dandel Ion, Palmar
VisceraEyes (0): Palmar
VayneAuthority (0): VisceraEyes, Oatsmaster
gumshoe (6): kitaman27, syllogism, sandroba, marvellosity, strongandbig, yamato77, justanothertownie, Dandel Ion
Dandel Ion (0): kitaman27
Blazinghand (1): iamperfection, Oatsmaster, Palmar, Paperscraps, Dandel Ion, WaveofShadow
marvellosity (0): Palmar, Koshi, Koshi, Paperscraps

Not voting (5): austinmcc, VayneAuthority, Djodref, gumshoe, Keirathi

On April 05 2014 09:48 Acrofales wrote: Hour 49.75

IAmRobik (0): Palmar, Tehpoofter
iamperfection (1): Foolishness, kitaman27, Paperscraps
Holyflare (0): sandroba, marvellosity, Dandel Ion, yamato77
LSB (0): VisceraEyes
Paperscraps (8): Blazinghand, marvellosity, Amiko, marvellosity, Tehpoofter, Holyflare, Holyflare, Oatsmaster, iamperfection, Palmar, justanothertownie, LSB, VisceraEyes, Koshi, strongandbig, Hopeless1der, kitaman27, kitaman27, VayneAuthority
Amiko (1): kitaman27, Paperscraps, Killing, IAmRobik, marvellosity, justanothertownie, Keirathi
yamato77 (0): Holyflare, LSB
Tehpoofter (1): syllogism
kitaman27 (0): Dandel Ion, Palmar
VisceraEyes (0): Palmar
VayneAuthority (1): VisceraEyes, Oatsmaster, gumshoe
gumshoe (16): kitaman27, syllogism, sandroba, marvellosity, strongandbig, yamato77, justanothertownie, Dandel Ion, Koshi, marvellosity, paperscraps, Holyflare, justanothertownie, Hopeless1der, Keirathi, Amiko, austinmcc, Killing, WaveofShadow, VE
Dandel Ion (0): kitaman27
Blazinghand (0): iamperfection, Oatsmaster, Palmar, Paperscraps, Dandel Ion, WaveofShadow
marvellosity (0): Palmar, Koshi, Koshi, Paperscraps

Not voting (1): Djodref

On April 05 2014 10:03 GreYMisT wrote: Hour 50
Day 1 vote count:

IAmRobik (0): Palmar, Tehpoofter
iamperfection (1): Foolishness, kitaman27, Paperscraps
Holyflare (0): sandroba, marvellosity, Dandel Ion, yamato77
LSB (0): VisceraEyes
Paperscraps (8): Blazinghand, marvellosity, Amiko, marvellosity, Tehpoofter, Holyflare, Holyflare, Oatsmaster, iamperfection, Palmar, justanothertownie, LSB, VisceraEyes, Koshi, strongandbig, Hopeless1der, kitaman27, kitaman27, VayneAuthority
Amiko (1): kitaman27, Paperscraps, Killing, IAmRobik, marvellosity, justanothertownie, Keirathi
yamato77 (0): Holyflare, LSB
Tehpoofter (1): syllogism
kitaman27 (0): Dandel Ion, Palmar
VisceraEyes (0): Palmar
VayneAuthority (1): VisceraEyes, Oatsmaster, gumshoe
gumshoe (17): kitaman27, syllogism, sandroba, marvellosity, strongandbig, yamato77, justanothertownie, Dandel Ion, Koshi, marvellosity, paperscraps, Holyflare, justanothertownie, Hopeless1der, Keirathi, Amiko, austinmcc, Killing, WaveofShadow, VE
Dandel Ion (0): kitaman27
Blazinghand (0): iamperfection, Oatsmaster, Palmar, Paperscraps, Dandel Ion, WaveofShadow
marvellosity (0): Palmar, Koshi, Koshi, Paperscraps

Not voting (1): Djodref

Reduced Day 1 vote count:

IAmRobik (0):
iamperfection (1): Foolishness
Holyflare (0):
LSB (0):
Paperscraps (8): Blazinghand, Tehpoofter, Oatsmaster, iamperfection, Palmar, LSB, kitaman27, VayneAuthority
Amiko (1): IAmRobik
yamato77 (0):
Tehpoofter (1): syllogism
kitaman27 (0):
VisceraEyes (0):
VayneAuthority (1): gumshoe
gumshoe (17): sandroba, strongandbig, yamato77, Dandel Ion, Koshi, marvellosity, paperscraps, Holyflare, justanothertownie, Hopeless1der, Keirathi, Amiko, austinmcc, Killing, WaveofShadow, VE
Dandel Ion (0):
Blazinghand (0):
marvellosity (0):

Not voting (1): Djodref

Ok so this is updated now. Here's some points that weighs in your favor (sandroba) on VE being scum.
1. No one jumped on the VE wagon. Minor but fair considering how scum tend to be trying to pile on to push weak lynches. The problem with this is that Palmer was on and off the wagon pretty quick. Even still he got a free pass from flipped scum.
2. VE ends up on the "right" wagon at the end of the day. Three confirmed scum end up on paperscraps; one on Banks. It's unlikely that they'd end with 4 or more scum on paperscraps.
3. Oats soft pushes the VA lynch all day based on VE's points. VE never really makes a good case on VA being scum
4. Oats soft defends VE at points.
5. VE never really explains any read/reason for LSB.

Points in my favor:
1. Oats jumps from BH to VA to Paper. If VE is scum, he's essentially jumping from a back to back scum vote to another back to back scum vote. That's pretty odd to me.

So yah, I can see a reason for killing VE. The problem is that if he's town, then we will still need to lynch Killing and JAT. Killing is the only other person, imo, who could find out Wave's role (wizard). I still think he's town. I can't really explain it. Call it feels if you will. That said, if we're going to lynch him today, then I want a 100% promise that we just call it #YOLO lurker lynch and then proceed to assume he's town and scumhunt from there.
[/s]
Gives reasons for VE to be scum, calls it #YOLO lurker lynch.
Gives zero reason for me to be scum. Wants to lynch me.
Seems legit.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16342 Posts
April 16 2014 21:49 GMT
#5803
1) I read it.
2) Because it is fucking bullshit.
If you think you can solve the game by analysing the day1 voting over and over without even taking the reasoning for the votes into account you are a hopeless case.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16342 Posts
April 17 2014 15:08 GMT
#5819
On April 17 2014 08:00 Paperscraps wrote:
JAT is being way too defensive for my tastes. It speaks more to him being mafia than 3p, since anytime anyone calls him out he has to respond and defend himself.

Are you serious here? Why the hell would I not defend myself? I have no buddies I can count on.
On April 17 2014 09:33 Amiko wrote:

Btw geript it seemed like austin wanted to lynch VE from his thread talk, but you are saying he was more set on JAT - did he want to lynch JAT in the QT? I don't mind if you ignore this it was just something I noticed cause I actually read austin's posts :3

As an aside, I'm not actually sure whether I should help JAT since I don't know if he did end up shooting at me, whatever I can deal with that later.
Also sandro is your position that you want me to use my 1-shot item scramble? I don't mind either way, but it would make things easier since it would let me make sure I'm keeping my word to JAT (though I don't know if he fulfilled his end).

Geript just pulls bullshit out of his ass to get me lynched over his scumbuddies. He has been doing so all day.
So, you used your vest I take it?
On April 17 2014 10:28 VayneAuthority wrote:
elect two people that will lynch VE and be done with this, nothing else to say

This guy gets it.
On April 17 2014 16:17 getmoript wrote:
Aust was kinda hazy at points about his order in QT. He prefers GE, Killing and VA (mostly in that order). He thinks the JAT/Sandroba stuff will sort itself out. I just find everything he does anti town and think he's lying. Like he had to have killed someone last night. What's his purpose? Kill Palmer because Palmer wanted him dead? Dandel's the only other reasonable option if JAT is 3P. I just don't see a reason for him to shoot from a 3P survivor standpoint. That makes no sense whatsoever especially when he supposedly has to kill Sandroba. It's all just too convenient. The more you think about the claims the less any of it makes sense.

This guy fails at reading.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16342 Posts
April 17 2014 23:19 GMT
#5834
There are only 9 people left...
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16342 Posts
April 18 2014 01:23 GMT
#5848
On April 18 2014 10:21 strongandbig wrote:
Ok he was unrecruitable traitor
There could actually be two more mafia

And who wanted to lynch not mafia? Yeah.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16342 Posts
April 18 2014 15:31 GMT
#5882
On April 18 2014 11:30 Amiko wrote:
@strongandbig:
I think there's probably only one scum alive because if there were two they could have won, I think?
With just their votes they could have gotten second-place in the votes and secured a mislynch.

Then, it is either 3scum, 4town, 1 third party (me). Even if they get no kills, with my vote they can always get 4 votes on a person.
I guess it might also be 3scum, 3town, 2 third party (me + JAT), but then it's even more of a victory, they would lynch sandro.
Either way, scum has a good shot to win in that situation by getting a night kill and then joint-winning with me/JAT.


You don't take into account that the other mafia could not coordinate with VE. Besides that they would have outed themselves if they pulled this kind of stunt and if anything went wrong (for example with the nightkills) then they are fucked.
On April 18 2014 11:39 Amiko wrote:
It's probably from JAT actually

The role PM says pretty clearly that the other horses are on a different team so they are town
This is good since it confirms VA as town :3

1) I don't think the hosts would not censor information like this if it really confirmed VA and geript as town.
2) Again, take into account that VE technically wasn't on the scumteam.
On April 18 2014 21:43 strongandbig wrote:
Thought blast - ve's role seems really stupid unless one of the other horses is also mafia. What is the point of an unrecruitablr traitor rolecop?

This makes sense!
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16342 Posts
April 18 2014 15:41 GMT
#5884
Well, I won't be able to benifit from it tonight but why not?
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16342 Posts
April 18 2014 20:51 GMT
#5886
Geript, you around?
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16342 Posts
April 18 2014 21:15 GMT
#5888
Ok, I have 2 questions for all of you.

1) Does anyone know Sandros role even in the slightest?
2) Does anyone have an explanation for why he did not die when I used the ruby on him day2? You can see what the ruby does in Dandels rolepm.

If you don't want to give me information that's cool. A simple yes/no would be great too.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16342 Posts
April 18 2014 22:23 GMT
#5891
Sounds pretty questionable. Why didn't he just kill me then (2 x 0.5 KP)? The ruby is as far as I know just a plain and simple normal KP. It should have been instant too since I used it during the day.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16342 Posts
April 18 2014 22:24 GMT
#5892
Considering that he did fuck all since day2 I think everyone with a townread on him should really start to reevaluate.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16342 Posts
April 18 2014 22:26 GMT
#5893
And if you come to the same conclusion then it might be in towns best interest to just let me shoot him. You can remove my KP this way without having to waste a lynch on me and you are also getting rid of a question mark that won't be resolved since sandro already announced that he won't be playing.
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