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On April 09 2014 05:00 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2014 04:34 geript wrote:On April 09 2014 04:29 WaveofShadow wrote:
There's nothing to process because
a) you're going to sit there and nitpick through everything we've done when there are hard reasons why we've reached the conclusions we have
b) we don't trust you even remotely enough to share sensitive info with you Like I don't care about any of your "sensitive info." Hell I probably wouldn't even believe you if you did. But there's literally zero reason not to allow me to analyze your "hard conclusions" or whatever. It's like you guys are pissed that I joined a game and actually want to analyze it and play. Like I really don't get that sentiment at all. I am normally not the person to agree with you but this is totally understandable. This game stopped being fun for me when pms were allowed. Who knows how/why people think they have cleared other people. There is no way for you or me to verify this or think it through for ourselves. You just have to blindly trust that people aren't retarded which is a hard and dangerous thing to do. I wouldn't have approached pms any different as town although in a game with this many roles it is evidently totally broken and townfavoured to be able to pm people. Apart from that a friendly reminder: Stop painting me as SK people. I am not. My goal is not to wreak havoc and kill as many people as possible/fuck town over yada yada. My goal is to survive longer than sandroba does and if that means I have to cooperate with town then I will do just that while hoping that scum finds a way to kill him (they won't shoot me as long as some retards seriously consider lynching me over them that's for sure). There is no reason for me to play anti town besides the sandroba thing.
I never believe that people aren't retarded. As a default, I assume that people are stupid.
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On April 09 2014 05:17 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2014 05:00 justanothertownie wrote:On April 09 2014 04:34 geript wrote:On April 09 2014 04:29 WaveofShadow wrote:
There's nothing to process because
a) you're going to sit there and nitpick through everything we've done when there are hard reasons why we've reached the conclusions we have
b) we don't trust you even remotely enough to share sensitive info with you Like I don't care about any of your "sensitive info." Hell I probably wouldn't even believe you if you did. But there's literally zero reason not to allow me to analyze your "hard conclusions" or whatever. It's like you guys are pissed that I joined a game and actually want to analyze it and play. Like I really don't get that sentiment at all. I am normally not the person to agree with you but this is totally understandable. This game stopped being fun for me when pms were allowed. Who knows how/why people think they have cleared other people. There is no way for you or me to verify this or think it through for ourselves. You just have to blindly trust that people aren't retarded which is a hard and dangerous thing to do. I wouldn't have approached pms any different as town although in a game with this many roles it is evidently totally broken and townfavoured to be able to pm people. Apart from that a friendly reminder: Stop painting me as SK people. I am not. My goal is not to wreak havoc and kill as many people as possible/fuck town over yada yada. My goal is to survive longer than sandroba does and if that means I have to cooperate with town then I will do just that while hoping that scum finds a way to kill him (they won't shoot me as long as some retards seriously consider lynching me over them that's for sure). There is no reason for me to play anti town besides the sandroba thing. I never believe that people aren't retarded. As a default, I assume that people are stupid.
Then you have a problem here.
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On April 09 2014 05:14 geript wrote:
Overall, Austin I don't really like your reasons for Joey being scum at all. Like assuming that roles are town or scum based on what they do is really fucking terrible. Hell I remember people trying to game you as town in PTP4 based on how you used your role and how/when you claimed it. Like that's really bad and it's really weird to me that you're not making any argument based on what he's done that makes him scum instead of his role makes him scum. That's cuz you haven't read the game or my filter 
He's mainly scum/scummy for this:On April 08 2014 05:51 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2014 05:42 Killing wrote:On April 08 2014 05:39 austinmcc wrote:On April 08 2014 05:38 justanothertownie wrote:On April 08 2014 05:35 Killing wrote:On April 08 2014 05:32 austinmcc wrote:On April 08 2014 05:28 Killing wrote:On April 08 2014 05:22 austinmcc wrote:
Can I stop spamming about this and......Oats and Killing and someone read this and give thoughts? Oats, Killing, VA! My thoughts: Who gives a shit about the color of my role. No, different thoughts. If you don't think anyone should give a shit about the color of a role, then do Holyflare's thoughts and actions make sense to you as coming from a townie? Do they make sense as coming from a scum? Do they make sense as scum slipping and trying to cover up that slip? Do they just not make sense period? As posted above, I think it's probably coming from a townie POV. As scum, it's probably a bad idea to argue over semantics and make yourself look bad. I think there's probably a reasoning over the difference in coloring the role but not one that is currently visible to the town nor the one that HF is proposing. It's townie to trying and figure it out though. If he was mafia, anyone that wins with town is his enemy anyways so he probably wouldn't care much. The only way it would be a good play as mafia is if he's trying to drum up paranoia or some shit but it doesn't make any sense. He didn't bring that up to talk about it. He was forced to because what he says doesn't add up. This is the "It's scummy to do scummy things as scum, so scum wouldn't do scummy things" argument. It is usually a mafia argument, and often mafia defending mafia Dude, what are you even saying? Do you think Greymist used a bunch of different colors cause he felt like making the game prettier? If your answer is yes, then enjoy your stay in lala land If not, there's a reasoning. I think HF argument on the blue vs green was terrible. Why does HF care if he's mafia? You even called it a slip. If HF is mafia, how does he know who is 3p and who is town. He doesn't even have the info. I am saying you look scummier for that comment. "As scum, it's a bad idea to do something that makes you look bad. Therefore, someone who does something that makes him look bad is town." That is GENERALLY a mafia argument when I've seen it. Within the last week it has been used by mafia to defend a scumbuddy on this forum. Like, fill in some proper names there. "As scum, it'a a bad idea to do something that makes you look bad. Therefore, Holyflare is town because he did something that made him look bad (this argument)." Within that statement, you're saying HolyFlare did something that looked bad. Otherwise the "scum wouldn't do things that look bad" argument is inapplicable, you HAVE to have done something that looked bad for it to be a relevant argument. But you just push that aside entirely and give some silliness about how he can't have info on 3Ps or would be paranoid or would know that "wins with the town" = TEH ENEMIEZ On April 08 2014 06:32 austinmcc wrote:I'd kill Killing. Townies defend people who do scummy stuff by saying "He did a thing that's normally scummy, but this case is different because of x, y, z" or "He did a thing that's normally scummy, but I think these other things he's done are townie, and overall he's townie." Scum defend people who do scummy stuff by saying "He did a thing that's normally scummy, but scum don't like being scummy, so him doing a scummy thing makes him town." (BECAUSE HOLY CRAP THE MOMENT YOU MAKE THAT ARGUMENT ONCE, EVERYONE IN THE GAME EVER WHO DOES SCUMMY STUFF IS KINDA TOWN IN YOUR BOOK AND THAT MAKES NO SENSE) Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 12:05 Killing wrote:On April 03 2014 11:59 sandroba wrote:
I don't think any button discussion is going to get us anywhere. How about we see what people decide to do and talk about it when it becomes relevant? My initial guess is most of us don't want CATASTROPHE in our lives right now. You're assuming the catastrophe will be town specific. It's possible that it makes the game harder for mafia and 3p at the same time. I think we also have to put some value on the button. We need to know how important it is to have it guarded or try to deactivate it compared to using our town powers. It might be that it's better to have weaker roles guard the button rather than carry out their business. If we don't make a plan to deal with the button, mafia might just make a rush for it if they assume the consequences will fall on the town side. Here, Killing is of the mindset that perhaps that Catastrophe is good for town. This is true, we don't know what the Catastrophe is, and whether it's good or bad. Show nested quote +On April 07 2014 08:48 Killing wrote:On April 07 2014 08:47 Hopeless1der wrote:On April 07 2014 08:45 Dandel Ion wrote:On April 07 2014 08:43 Hopeless1der wrote:
I dunno, I pushed the button zz did you forget that was an option? I need CATASTROPHE™ to occur if I'm going to make any money. So you're not town......... Here, Hopeless is not town because he wants Catastrophe to happen. Implying that Catastrophe is bad for town only. Which is the opposite of the above. We have learned nothing about Catastrophe, are entirely unsure what it does. Killing argues that it MIGHT be beneficial to town, perhaps, but then that Hopeless is scum for wanting it to happen.
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On April 09 2014 04:40 sandroba wrote:
What else do you want me to say? The people who are not green in the list are people that we were unsure about or pretty certain that were mafia. I'm not gonna explain those greens because a lot of them involve roles and the way they were used, others involve hours of convo and planning together. I'm not saying that I think you are absolutely scum and need to die otherwise other people would be doing it, I'm saying you are a wild card and wouldn't mind 3rd p resourses being used to clear up the air. If you want to do something useful go at it and analyse the hell out of anyone you want, right now I just feel like chilling and believing we are on the right track unless something goes south and gives me reason not to.
And btw paper looks very green to me after that post.
Look sandro, this is an exceptionally bad reason to clear anyone. Like super exceptionally bad. Austin got a free pass for a while in PTP4 because of how he used his role. Hell I got a free pass in PTP4 for a while because I tried to kill Kita. In the end he endgamed town with some help of my superfriend Kita. I really don't get at all why everyone's cleared Kita. When I skimmed his filter before I joined none of it seemed scummy, but he's pretty slick as scum and tends to post less and post less good stuff as scum. Also, you should be a good enough player to recognize that when Town goes on autopilot, it's almost always exceptionally bad for town. Hell, last night I got out of a game where I almost won because as scum I made some good soft pushes against people at the right time after one scum partner got caught on day 1 and another refused to play and got lynched so we were stuck with 1 KP the whole game; then the third shit the bed with a Cop claim after he already had immunity. Town proceeded to go on auto and I proceeded to wiggle my way further down the "lynch list" because people were 100% not thinking about what I was actually doing.
If you're town, get the fuck off autopilot. If you're town, stop associating roles and role usage with town. Like seriously, you're a better player than that and you shouldn't be doing that.
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On April 09 2014 04:32 austinmcc wrote:Friendly Neighborhood Bird God Inquiry, Everyone who super loves and believes this 100%, please raise your hand: Show nested quote +On April 08 2014 09:47 Killing wrote:On April 08 2014 09:24 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 08 2014 09:22 Killing wrote:
##But the Future Refused to change: LSB Oo more shennaies. My ability was really good for town. I won't disclose everything it does but the chaos counter will now be reduced to 0 as a result. The rest I will not say. In the event I die, the people that I consider my highest of town know what happens to LSB. Show nested quote +On April 08 2014 09:59 Killing wrote:On April 08 2014 09:58 Holyflare wrote:
you have 2 minutes to convince me not to Besides the fact that I just activated a power that reduces chaos counter to 0 which basically confirms me as town? Show nested quote +On April 08 2014 10:12 Killing wrote:
Chaos counter: 0
Gimme dat blazing green read now Show nested quote +On April 09 2014 01:55 Killing wrote:On April 09 2014 01:52 sandroba wrote:
@killing There are some hints of it in my role. Do you happen to be one? There are some hints of it in my role as well. Do you think dragons are good or bad? I believe most Grey roles to be balanced, especially in games like this with multiple counters, and apparently insanity and dragons and whatnot. I think, on the whole, Grey is unlikely to make a "Chaos counter to 0" role in this game, especially where the chaos counter is apparently bad for town if it gets high. It's there to loom and be bad and to make us use roles that influence the chaos counter in a certain way. It's not there for some townie to go "LOL ZERO NOW" and wipe out any decision making. At least, that's my personal opinion. heck, I'm more inclined to believe that, if this were a townie role, it would be balanced out by something BAD. Giving up a power, doing something negative, whatever, because things that are very good for town, stuck on townies, are often balanced. Look at all the "you have this passive and this active, when you activate the active your passive is gone" roles that have already flipped. Based on what I know, there are few "This is good and always good and will only do good things ever, enjoy!" roles, especially of the sort that are affecting counters. But I also don't necessarily believe it's a townie role, still think Killing is unlikely to be blue or green, and is more likely to be red. The bad kind of red. Geript, my offer stands. Based on the last couple pages, I don't think you're going to get a better offer. I don't even see anyone offering half an ankle, or to let you stare at their faces without a veil, or sit in the same room as them, or coyly engage them in discourse about the monarchy.
That's fine if you have other stuff on him. But it's really bad play to make this post for him being scum without reiterating those other points. I'm going of 200+ as my day 1. I'm happy to read other stuff but I'm not going to dive for it. You guys have to help me out some.
Either way, I'm off to work. I'll look back into hopeless and Keir's meta on him when I get back if I'm alive. I'll also give a full meta read on Kita but I really don't think he'll be caught if there isn't both meta evidence and in game evidence. People really shouldn't forget Keir's meta on him because Keir has really, really good meta reads. Specifically, he thought Iamp was town early on but said he didn't think he could keep it up as scum; I doubt Iamp was able to honestly (not going to bother reading that).
If I die and am Janitored, I'm town. Know that I think a lot of you are doing really stupid things like going on autopilot and not stoping to analyze and re-analyze the game. Seriously go do that; go do that again. Don't in any way associate roles or role usage with being town or scum. In heavy blue setups, scum tend to pull off that type of stuff to hide and I'm really surprised that so many players who are "names" and so many players who I think (or more appropriately thought) were decent players were and are doing that. That's really really bad for town because it's going to mean you're giving green passes to people who don't deserve them.
I might post a bit more when I grab supper, maybe not. It all depends.
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One last thing I will say before I head off is that anyone who's not trying to analyze what I'm doing or why I'm doing is super frustrating. Like I 100% get that you guys want to kill Djo for being a complete questionmark and I 1000% support that. But you have a free opportunity to not mislynch/not misshoot/not kill me when I'm actually putting time into this game. Like if you can't analyze me for being town for what I'm doing then whatever kill me, my slot was a modkill anyways. But not bothering to try and read me is really stupid and super frustrating. So if I die at the deadline, I hope you all rethink what you're doing because I don't think you're as auto as you think you are.
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Somewhere I also trust geript tbh. But hmmmmmmmm.
Where are the scummers?
JAT got his orders though.
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On April 09 2014 05:24 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2014 04:40 sandroba wrote:
What else do you want me to say? The people who are not green in the list are people that we were unsure about or pretty certain that were mafia. I'm not gonna explain those greens because a lot of them involve roles and the way they were used, others involve hours of convo and planning together. I'm not saying that I think you are absolutely scum and need to die otherwise other people would be doing it, I'm saying you are a wild card and wouldn't mind 3rd p resourses being used to clear up the air. If you want to do something useful go at it and analyse the hell out of anyone you want, right now I just feel like chilling and believing we are on the right track unless something goes south and gives me reason not to.
And btw paper looks very green to me after that post. Look sandro, this is an exceptionally bad reason to clear anyone. Like super exceptionally bad. Austin got a free pass for a while in PTP4 because of how he used his role. Hell I got a free pass in PTP4 for a while because I tried to kill Kita. In the end he endgamed town with some help of my superfriend Kita. I really don't get at all why everyone's cleared Kita. When I skimmed his filter before I joined none of it seemed scummy, but he's pretty slick as scum and tends to post less and post less good stuff as scum. Also, you should be a good enough player to recognize that when Town goes on autopilot, it's almost always exceptionally bad for town. Hell, last night I got out of a game where I almost won because as scum I made some good soft pushes against people at the right time after one scum partner got caught on day 1 and another refused to play and got lynched so we were stuck with 1 KP the whole game; then the third shit the bed with a Cop claim after he already had immunity. Town proceeded to go on auto and I proceeded to wiggle my way further down the "lynch list" because people were 100% not thinking about what I was actually doing. If you're town, get the fuck off autopilot. If you're town, stop associating roles and role usage with town. Like seriously, you're a better player than that and you shouldn't be doing that.
On April 06 2014 11:09 GreYMisT wrote:Kitaman, the Ghost is dead+ Show Spoiler +
Welcome to Catastrophe Mafia! You are the Ghost! Because your psionic powers are just what this game required. Every night you may use your powers, but beware, they cost energy! You start with 200 energy.
Lockdown: costs 25 energy. Target cannot use any items tonight.
Cloaking: costs 50 energy + 10 for every person detected. Your personal cloaking allows you to sit outside someone’s door undetected. You see anybody who visits that person. However, the longer you are forced to sit there, the more energy is drained from your cloaking device. If you run out of energy while cloaked, everybody can see you and what you’re doing (it will be revealed in the daypost that you were poking around your target’s home).
Snipe: costs 50 energy. You shoot your target with a tracking device. You can now follow his every move!
Target nuke: once per game. We got good news and bad news. The bad news is that we need intel and we didn't build any comsat stations. The good news is we have nuclear silos! You aim your laser pen at the ground and launch a nuke in the air. Because of the jackass on a megaphone that keeps announcing when you fire a nuke, everyone will drop what they are doing and run. Luckily this allows you to count the people running. You will learn the number of KP used this night. Also its a nuke so the radiation level will go up by 2.
You win with the town.
"Somebody call for an exterminator?"
This is why you are being bombed.
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Well hopeless, kita has been posting a lot less, maybe he has a point.
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On April 09 2014 05:32 geript wrote:
That's fine if you have other stuff on him. But it's really bad play to make this post for him being scum without reiterating those other points. I'm going of 200+ as my day 1. I'm happy to read other stuff but I'm not going to dive for it. You guys have to help me out some. I've joined 200+ page games before, big themed ones, and a Greymist game in Chrono.
I know the feeling, and also, btw, it's impossible. You'll never catch up, you have to play going forward. Especially since you're missing PM stuff that I wasn't in those games.
But I'm making the point for everyone, that wasn't specifically at you. I'm happy to catch you up on what I've done, but I'm not saying "Hey Geript, Killing is wonky/scummy/lying/blah blah." I don't believe, in general, that he's town and I don't believe, in general, that he's truthful about his role being OH YA HALP TOWN MANY HALP KK
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On April 09 2014 05:39 Koshi wrote:
Somewhere I also trust geript tbh. But hmmmmmmmm.
Where are the scummers?
JAT got his orders though.
Pro tip: If you are unsure who the scummers are - try to find them by reading filters etc. and don't only rely on role usage. Don't just be lazy and kill 3p or you deserve to lose.
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On April 09 2014 05:42 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2014 05:32 geript wrote:
That's fine if you have other stuff on him. But it's really bad play to make this post for him being scum without reiterating those other points. I'm going of 200+ as my day 1. I'm happy to read other stuff but I'm not going to dive for it. You guys have to help me out some. I've joined 200+ page games before, big themed ones, and a Greymist game in Chrono. I know the feeling, and also, btw, it's impossible. You'll never catch up, you have to play going forward. Especially since you're missing PM stuff that I wasn't in those games. But I'm making the point for everyone, that wasn't specifically at you. I'm happy to catch you up on what I've done, but I'm not saying "Hey Geript, Killing is wonky/scummy/lying/blah blah." I don't believe, in general, that he's town and I don't believe, in general, that he's truthful about his role being OH YA HALP TOWN MANY HALP KK
I take it that you don't trust me when I tell you that the stuff we PM'd about makes me really doubt that he would be scum. I just don't see how his role would be scummy, as he doesn't even know what the majority of it is used for. And the questinoing of horsies kinda makes sense
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On April 09 2014 05:41 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2014 05:24 geript wrote:On April 09 2014 04:40 sandroba wrote:
What else do you want me to say? The people who are not green in the list are people that we were unsure about or pretty certain that were mafia. I'm not gonna explain those greens because a lot of them involve roles and the way they were used, others involve hours of convo and planning together. I'm not saying that I think you are absolutely scum and need to die otherwise other people would be doing it, I'm saying you are a wild card and wouldn't mind 3rd p resourses being used to clear up the air. If you want to do something useful go at it and analyse the hell out of anyone you want, right now I just feel like chilling and believing we are on the right track unless something goes south and gives me reason not to.
And btw paper looks very green to me after that post. Look sandro, this is an exceptionally bad reason to clear anyone. Like super exceptionally bad. Austin got a free pass for a while in PTP4 because of how he used his role. Hell I got a free pass in PTP4 for a while because I tried to kill Kita. In the end he endgamed town with some help of my superfriend Kita. I really don't get at all why everyone's cleared Kita. When I skimmed his filter before I joined none of it seemed scummy, but he's pretty slick as scum and tends to post less and post less good stuff as scum. Also, you should be a good enough player to recognize that when Town goes on autopilot, it's almost always exceptionally bad for town. Hell, last night I got out of a game where I almost won because as scum I made some good soft pushes against people at the right time after one scum partner got caught on day 1 and another refused to play and got lynched so we were stuck with 1 KP the whole game; then the third shit the bed with a Cop claim after he already had immunity. Town proceeded to go on auto and I proceeded to wiggle my way further down the "lynch list" because people were 100% not thinking about what I was actually doing. If you're town, get the fuck off autopilot. If you're town, stop associating roles and role usage with town. Like seriously, you're a better player than that and you shouldn't be doing that. Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 11:09 GreYMisT wrote:Kitaman, the Ghost is dead+ Show Spoiler +
Welcome to Catastrophe Mafia! You are the Ghost! Because your psionic powers are just what this game required. Every night you may use your powers, but beware, they cost energy! You start with 200 energy.
Lockdown: costs 25 energy. Target cannot use any items tonight.
Cloaking: costs 50 energy + 10 for every person detected. Your personal cloaking allows you to sit outside someone’s door undetected. You see anybody who visits that person. However, the longer you are forced to sit there, the more energy is drained from your cloaking device. If you run out of energy while cloaked, everybody can see you and what you’re doing (it will be revealed in the daypost that you were poking around your target’s home).
Snipe: costs 50 energy. You shoot your target with a tracking device. You can now follow his every move!
Target nuke: once per game. We got good news and bad news. The bad news is that we need intel and we didn't build any comsat stations. The good news is we have nuclear silos! You aim your laser pen at the ground and launch a nuke in the air. Because of the jackass on a megaphone that keeps announcing when you fire a nuke, everyone will drop what they are doing and run. Luckily this allows you to count the people running. You will learn the number of KP used this night. Also its a nuke so the radiation level will go up by 2.
You win with the town.
"Somebody call for an exterminator?"
This is why you are being bombed.
Thanks. Now I can just read his filter for nuggets of truth
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I trust that he PMed some people and it made him look townier.
I don't trust that you fully know his role or what it does or whether he understands what it does, unless you yourself or someone else has the text of his role via check or logging into his account or being Greymist.
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And I really don't think that "he doesn't even know what the majority of it is used for" points in ANY direction. Like...that's irrelevant to alignment, imo.
"Hey guys I used my role so I'm super town and it did super town stuff and now I'm super town kkkk. Also I don't know what a majority of my role is good for. It might be good for mafia! I dunno. But it's townie and I'm townie yum yum."
If you don't know what your role really does, when it's useful, what it's useful for, AND YOU'RE BEING TRUTHFUL about your role, then how in the world can you argue that your role is townie and it's use is townie. You're claiming both to not know exactly what it does AND know that what you're doing is townie townie.
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On April 09 2014 05:45 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2014 05:39 Koshi wrote:
Somewhere I also trust geript tbh. But hmmmmmmmm.
Where are the scummers?
JAT got his orders though. Pro tip: If you are unsure who the scummers are - try to find them by reading filters etc. and don't only rely on role usage. Don't just be lazy and kill 3p or you deserve to lose.
so bitter.
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On April 04 2014 09:51 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 09:38 sandroba wrote:
I'm town. I'd like some non bullshit reads or insights on syllo, marv and holyflare. Aren't you the resident syllo expert? Based on my experience, syllo feels uncomfortable posting actively as mafia. He hasn't been very open with reads so far so I think he looks the worst of the three. Usually I'm convinced he is town a few minutes into the game and that hasn't happened yet. With marv, I liked his defense of LSB because he seems like an easy target based on his poor filter and he indeed does often look terrible. His post to reads ratio is good enough for me that he seems town for the time being. Eventually I'm going to want to see some stronger reads/follow-up though. Holy maybe has a cool role? Takes the same view as I do on paper. No strong read yet.
Just to point out. I'm not going to bother filtering Marv right now to see his defense of LSB.
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On April 09 2014 06:03 austinmcc wrote:
And I really don't think that "he doesn't even know what the majority of it is used for" points in ANY direction. Like...that's irrelevant to alignment, imo.
"Hey guys I used my role so I'm super town and it did super town stuff and now I'm super town kkkk. Also I don't know what a majority of my role is good for. It might be good for mafia! I dunno. But it's townie and I'm townie yum yum."
If you don't know what your role really does, when it's useful, what it's useful for, AND YOU'RE BEING TRUTHFUL about your role, then how in the world can you argue that your role is townie and it's use is townie. You're claiming both to not know exactly what it does AND know that what you're doing is townie townie.
Good point +1
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On April 09 2014 06:03 austinmcc wrote:
And I really don't think that "he doesn't even know what the majority of it is used for" points in ANY direction. Like...that's irrelevant to alignment, imo.
"Hey guys I used my role so I'm super town and it did super town stuff and now I'm super town kkkk. Also I don't know what a majority of my role is good for. It might be good for mafia! I dunno. But it's townie and I'm townie yum yum."
If you don't know what your role really does, when it's useful, what it's useful for, AND YOU'RE BEING TRUTHFUL about your role, then how in the world can you argue that your role is townie and it's use is townie. You're claiming both to not know exactly what it does AND know that what you're doing is townie townie.
What he did is not the main function of his role. His role has another function. Anyway. Maybe he lied. You're right. But I think he was being sincere in our conversation
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