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On April 09 2014 04:15 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2014 03:48 geript wrote:On April 09 2014 03:40 Holyflare wrote:On April 09 2014 03:38 geript wrote:
@Sandroba. Why in gods green earth do you want to kill me? Like HF has beef or something and generally does stupid stuff as town so I can understand his thing from any alignment. But I don't get why you want me to die. Because you have been quite categorically shit. Says the person who says I'm going to live or die based on whether or not I claim my role. Well geript we have just moved from a very busy day with enabled pms where we cleared a whole bunch of people and you are one of the few left that could be scum. It doesn't help your cause that your LSB town read is totally illogical and based on way less evidence than the reasons you said for him to be scum. Also the fact that you refuse to claim when we are close to figuring out the game is really telling. But as of now town people are shooting other more important targets, so I wouldn't mind telling the sk to shoot you so it speeds up the process if he decides to do it.
I disagree that the LSB read is totally illogical. When I find points that people are actually thinking about the game, I don't like lynching those people because they're almost always mislynches. Do you disagree with that point? Why are you reading his as scum then?
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Like you guys say you have auto here, but I really don't think you do. Like there are some people who are pm land heroes and I've completely missed out on all of that info entirely. Tbh I wouldn't have pm'd anyone simply because I find it a distraction and a waste of my time. But if you're not going to feed me any information to process then you're going to waste a phenominal resource. So like feed me bro, I'm hungry.
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There's nothing to process because
a) you're going to sit there and nitpick through everything we've done when there are hard reasons why we've reached the conclusions we have
b) we don't trust you even remotely enough to share sensitive info with you
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Friendly Neighborhood Bird God Inquiry,
Everyone who super loves and believes this 100%, please raise your hand:On April 08 2014 09:47 Killing wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2014 09:24 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 08 2014 09:22 Killing wrote:
##But the Future Refused to change: LSB Oo more shennaies. My ability was really good for town. I won't disclose everything it does but the chaos counter will now be reduced to 0 as a result. The rest I will not say. In the event I die, the people that I consider my highest of town know what happens to LSB. On April 08 2014 09:59 Killing wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2014 09:58 Holyflare wrote:
you have 2 minutes to convince me not to Besides the fact that I just activated a power that reduces chaos counter to 0 which basically confirms me as town? On April 08 2014 10:12 Killing wrote:
Chaos counter: 0
Gimme dat blazing green read now On April 09 2014 01:55 Killing wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2014 01:52 sandroba wrote:
@killing There are some hints of it in my role. Do you happen to be one? There are some hints of it in my role as well. Do you think dragons are good or bad? I believe most Grey roles to be balanced, especially in games like this with multiple counters, and apparently insanity and dragons and whatnot. I think, on the whole, Grey is unlikely to make a "Chaos counter to 0" role in this game, especially where the chaos counter is apparently bad for town if it gets high. It's there to loom and be bad and to make us use roles that influence the chaos counter in a certain way.
It's not there for some townie to go "LOL ZERO NOW" and wipe out any decision making. At least, that's my personal opinion.
heck, I'm more inclined to believe that, if this were a townie role, it would be balanced out by something BAD. Giving up a power, doing something negative, whatever, because things that are very good for town, stuck on townies, are often balanced. Look at all the "you have this passive and this active, when you activate the active your passive is gone" roles that have already flipped. Based on what I know, there are few "This is good and always good and will only do good things ever, enjoy!" roles, especially of the sort that are affecting counters.
But I also don't necessarily believe it's a townie role, still think Killing is unlikely to be blue or green, and is more likely to be red. The bad kind of red.
Geript, my offer stands. Based on the last couple pages, I don't think you're going to get a better offer. I don't even see anyone offering half an ankle, or to let you stare at their faces without a veil, or sit in the same room as them, or coyly engage them in discourse about the monarchy.
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On April 09 2014 04:29 WaveofShadow wrote:
There's nothing to process because
a) you're going to sit there and nitpick through everything we've done when there are hard reasons why we've reached the conclusions we have
b) we don't trust you even remotely enough to share sensitive info with you
Like I don't care about any of your "sensitive info." Hell I probably wouldn't even believe you if you did. But there's literally zero reason not to allow me to analyze your "hard conclusions" or whatever. It's like you guys are pissed that I joined a game and actually want to analyze it and play. Like I really don't get that sentiment at all.
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On April 08 2014 19:17 geript wrote:As for LSB, he's attacked Town Hero Keirathi who I wanted to sheep so he can die. More importantly though, he's done fuck all this game as far as I can tell 2 pages. He's also attacked yamato. I remember when I was following along that yamato looked pretty town pretty early on; like he's pretty obvious mafia so that read seems really out of place to me. In reading his push against Paper, idk, like I don't have any problem with a Keir having a soft townread for someone being carefree/happy. Like that's a pretty normal early soft townread imo so pushing Keir and scraps at the same time especially when his push on scraps is completely illogical is really bad. I actually don't like him pushing against Hopeless later on either. Like Keir has phenominal meta reads and he had a strong meta read on Hopeless (mental reminder filter Keir and Hopeless to doublecheck validity). Like I'd absolutely love to lynch this guy because there are good reasons to but: I'm not ride or die on this post, but I think it's a good reason to suspect LSB for being town here despite all of the other options. It's both recognizing a different sort of play and trying to read into it. That's a "putting pieces together post" so I lump him in the town pile. Also, instead of just dumping on this, can I ask, specifically, what "sort of play" you think this recognizes? Like, in the context of Holy posting and LSB posting at this time, what's the angle that you think LSB is coming from and is putting pieces together from? I fully agree that people can come from different angles and that some are pure townie.
I'm trying to understand what you think LSB was thinking here.
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What else do you want me to say? The people who are not green in the list are people that we were unsure about or pretty certain that were mafia. I'm not gonna explain those greens because a lot of them involve roles and the way they were used, others involve hours of convo and planning together. I'm not saying that I think you are absolutely scum and need to die otherwise other people would be doing it, I'm saying you are a wild card and wouldn't mind 3rd p resourses being used to clear up the air. If you want to do something useful go at it and analyse the hell out of anyone you want, right now I just feel like chilling and believing we are on the right track unless something goes south and gives me reason not to.
And btw paper looks very green to me after that post.
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On April 09 2014 04:32 austinmcc wrote:Friendly Neighborhood Bird God Inquiry, Everyone who super loves and believes this 100%, please raise your hand: Show nested quote +On April 08 2014 09:47 Killing wrote:On April 08 2014 09:24 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 08 2014 09:22 Killing wrote:
##But the Future Refused to change: LSB Oo more shennaies. My ability was really good for town. I won't disclose everything it does but the chaos counter will now be reduced to 0 as a result. The rest I will not say. In the event I die, the people that I consider my highest of town know what happens to LSB. Show nested quote +On April 08 2014 09:59 Killing wrote:On April 08 2014 09:58 Holyflare wrote:
you have 2 minutes to convince me not to Besides the fact that I just activated a power that reduces chaos counter to 0 which basically confirms me as town? Show nested quote +On April 08 2014 10:12 Killing wrote:
Chaos counter: 0
Gimme dat blazing green read now Show nested quote +On April 09 2014 01:55 Killing wrote:On April 09 2014 01:52 sandroba wrote:
@killing There are some hints of it in my role. Do you happen to be one? There are some hints of it in my role as well. Do you think dragons are good or bad? I believe most Grey roles to be balanced, especially in games like this with multiple counters, and apparently insanity and dragons and whatnot. I think, on the whole, Grey is unlikely to make a "Chaos counter to 0" role in this game, especially where the chaos counter is apparently bad for town if it gets high. It's there to loom and be bad and to make us use roles that influence the chaos counter in a certain way. It's not there for some townie to go "LOL ZERO NOW" and wipe out any decision making. At least, that's my personal opinion. heck, I'm more inclined to believe that, if this were a townie role, it would be balanced out by something BAD. Giving up a power, doing something negative, whatever, because things that are very good for town, stuck on townies, are often balanced. Look at all the "you have this passive and this active, when you activate the active your passive is gone" roles that have already flipped. Based on what I know, there are few "This is good and always good and will only do good things ever, enjoy!" roles, especially of the sort that are affecting counters. But I also don't necessarily believe it's a townie role, still think Killing is unlikely to be blue or green, and is more likely to be red. The bad kind of red. Geript, my offer stands. Based on the last couple pages, I don't think you're going to get a better offer. I don't even see anyone offering half an ankle, or to let you stare at their faces without a veil, or sit in the same room as them, or coyly engage them in discourse about the monarchy.
My reset the counter to 0 was a 1 time use. That's why it's balanced. I decided to use it yesterday because I was afraid if djo got mod killed and there were still a lot of mafia then town could be put in a position that would be really hard to win from. There was little reason to not use it yesterday and I also wanted to convince town that I'm town as we are nearing auto. I guess you were under the impression that I had unlimited uses? What are your thoughts now? Also, if I had use it once the counter had hit 3 and a decision had to be made, resetting the counter would not affect the decision.
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I also think it's balanced out by the terribleness of my role as I still cannot figure out how it's useful.
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On April 09 2014 04:35 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2014 19:17 geript wrote:As for LSB, he's attacked Town Hero Keirathi who I wanted to sheep so he can die. More importantly though, he's done fuck all this game as far as I can tell 2 pages. He's also attacked yamato. I remember when I was following along that yamato looked pretty town pretty early on; like he's pretty obvious mafia so that read seems really out of place to me. In reading his push against Paper, idk, like I don't have any problem with a Keir having a soft townread for someone being carefree/happy. Like that's a pretty normal early soft townread imo so pushing Keir and scraps at the same time especially when his push on scraps is completely illogical is really bad. I actually don't like him pushing against Hopeless later on either. Like Keir has phenominal meta reads and he had a strong meta read on Hopeless (mental reminder filter Keir and Hopeless to doublecheck validity). Like I'd absolutely love to lynch this guy because there are good reasons to but: On April 05 2014 01:45 LSB wrote:
Is holyflare always this paranoid? I'm not ride or die on this post, but I think it's a good reason to suspect LSB for being town here despite all of the other options. It's both recognizing a different sort of play and trying to read into it. That's a "putting pieces together post" so I lump him in the town pile. Also, instead of just dumping on this, can I ask, specifically, what "sort of play" you think this recognizes? Like, in the context of Holy posting and LSB posting at this time, what's the angle that you think LSB is coming from and is putting pieces together from? I fully agree that people can come from different angles and that some are pure townie. I'm trying to understand what you think LSB was thinking here.
Most times, scum generally don't make insightful posts. It just doesn't happen. Like a lot of times those type of posts come from town. Prplhz did the same thing in cell where he made some pretty insightful posts on me but early I was blindly tunneled on him and Rayn was blindly tunneled on me so I didn't stop to actually read and analyze either properly. So when you see a good post like that, it's generally town seeking some sort of confirmation. Is it quite possibly a scum soft pushing a mislynch based on perceived behavioral difference? Sure. But I don't think so. Like he doesn't bother pushing that point at all and doesn't lump HF in his scumpile. I just think he's town who's wrong/bad/whatever. That simple.
As for your promise/bet/offer/whatever, like I don't care if you show me ankle, your not hard pee pee or Marv's heterosexually challenged pee pee. I'm not role claiming. I will however be more than happy to read Joey.
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On April 09 2014 04:41 Killing wrote:
My reset the counter to 0 was a 1 time use. That's why it's balanced. I decided to use it yesterday because I was afraid if djo got mod killed and there were still a lot of mafia then town could be put in a position that would be really hard to win from. There was little reason to not use it yesterday and I also wanted to convince town that I'm town as we are nearing auto. I guess you were under the impression that I had unlimited uses? What are your thoughts now? Also, if I had use it once the counter had hit 3 and a decision had to be made, resetting the counter would not affect the decision. No. There's no way that's unlimited uses, I wouldn't have ever believed that, even if my birdmother was sitting in her deathnest and squawked that to me. But I don't think it's all positive and/or think you're lying. Same as thoughts before.
The last line is interesting, and if true, makes the power more balanced than what I was thinking.
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On April 09 2014 04:44 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2014 04:35 austinmcc wrote:On April 08 2014 19:17 geript wrote:As for LSB, he's attacked Town Hero Keirathi who I wanted to sheep so he can die. More importantly though, he's done fuck all this game as far as I can tell 2 pages. He's also attacked yamato. I remember when I was following along that yamato looked pretty town pretty early on; like he's pretty obvious mafia so that read seems really out of place to me. In reading his push against Paper, idk, like I don't have any problem with a Keir having a soft townread for someone being carefree/happy. Like that's a pretty normal early soft townread imo so pushing Keir and scraps at the same time especially when his push on scraps is completely illogical is really bad. I actually don't like him pushing against Hopeless later on either. Like Keir has phenominal meta reads and he had a strong meta read on Hopeless (mental reminder filter Keir and Hopeless to doublecheck validity). Like I'd absolutely love to lynch this guy because there are good reasons to but: On April 05 2014 01:45 LSB wrote:
Is holyflare always this paranoid? I'm not ride or die on this post, but I think it's a good reason to suspect LSB for being town here despite all of the other options. It's both recognizing a different sort of play and trying to read into it. That's a "putting pieces together post" so I lump him in the town pile. Also, instead of just dumping on this, can I ask, specifically, what "sort of play" you think this recognizes? Like, in the context of Holy posting and LSB posting at this time, what's the angle that you think LSB is coming from and is putting pieces together from? I fully agree that people can come from different angles and that some are pure townie. I'm trying to understand what you think LSB was thinking here. Most times, scum generally don't make insightful posts. It just doesn't happen. Like a lot of times those type of posts come from town. Prplhz did the same thing in cell where he made some pretty insightful posts on me but early I was blindly tunneled on him and Rayn was blindly tunneled on me so I didn't stop to actually read and analyze either properly. So when you see a good post like that, it's generally town seeking some sort of confirmation. Is it quite possibly a scum soft pushing a mislynch based on perceived behavioral difference? Sure. But I don't think so. Like he doesn't bother pushing that point at all and doesn't lump HF in his scumpile. I just think he's town who's wrong/bad/whatever. That simple. As for your promise/bet/offer/whatever, like I don't care if you show me ankle, your not hard pee pee or Marv's heterosexually challenged pee pee. I'm not role claiming. I will however be more than happy to read Joey. Okeedoke on the claiming.
So that post is...LSB trying to figure out HF, but not pushing him for scum? You think he's legit trying to learn about HF's play to read him? THIS ISN'T REALLY A TRAP HERE I JUST DON'T GET THE SAME SENSE YOU DO FROM THAT BUT I'D LIKE TO ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND WHERE YOUR SENSE IS COMING FROM
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On April 09 2014 04:44 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2014 04:41 Killing wrote:
My reset the counter to 0 was a 1 time use. That's why it's balanced. I decided to use it yesterday because I was afraid if djo got mod killed and there were still a lot of mafia then town could be put in a position that would be really hard to win from. There was little reason to not use it yesterday and I also wanted to convince town that I'm town as we are nearing auto. I guess you were under the impression that I had unlimited uses? What are your thoughts now? Also, if I had use it once the counter had hit 3 and a decision had to be made, resetting the counter would not affect the decision. No. There's no way that's unlimited uses, I wouldn't have ever believed that, even if my birdmother was sitting in her deathnest and squawked that to me. But I don't think it's all positive and/or think you're lying. Same as thoughts before. The last line is interesting, and if true, makes the power more balanced than what I was thinking.
Are you a dragon?
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On April 09 2014 04:52 Killing wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2014 04:44 austinmcc wrote:On April 09 2014 04:41 Killing wrote:
My reset the counter to 0 was a 1 time use. That's why it's balanced. I decided to use it yesterday because I was afraid if djo got mod killed and there were still a lot of mafia then town could be put in a position that would be really hard to win from. There was little reason to not use it yesterday and I also wanted to convince town that I'm town as we are nearing auto. I guess you were under the impression that I had unlimited uses? What are your thoughts now? Also, if I had use it once the counter had hit 3 and a decision had to be made, resetting the counter would not affect the decision. No. There's no way that's unlimited uses, I wouldn't have ever believed that, even if my birdmother was sitting in her deathnest and squawked that to me. But I don't think it's all positive and/or think you're lying. Same as thoughts before. The last line is interesting, and if true, makes the power more balanced than what I was thinking. Are you a dragon? While dragons may be similar in some respects to birds, birds are not dragons.
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On April 09 2014 04:34 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2014 04:29 WaveofShadow wrote:
There's nothing to process because
a) you're going to sit there and nitpick through everything we've done when there are hard reasons why we've reached the conclusions we have
b) we don't trust you even remotely enough to share sensitive info with you Like I don't care about any of your "sensitive info." Hell I probably wouldn't even believe you if you did. But there's literally zero reason not to allow me to analyze your "hard conclusions" or whatever. It's like you guys are pissed that I joined a game and actually want to analyze it and play. Like I really don't get that sentiment at all.
I am normally not the person to agree with you but this is totally understandable. This game stopped being fun for me when pms were allowed. Who knows how/why people think they have cleared other people. There is no way for you or me to verify this or think it through for ourselves. You just have to blindly trust that people aren't retarded which is a hard and dangerous thing to do. I wouldn't have approached pms any different as town although in a game with this many roles it is evidently totally broken and townfavoured to be able to pm people.
Apart from that a friendly reminder: Stop painting me as SK people. I am not. My goal is not to wreak havoc and kill as many people as possible/fuck town over yada yada. My goal is to survive longer than sandroba does and if that means I have to cooperate with town then I will do just that while hoping that scum finds a way to kill him (they won't shoot me as long as some retards seriously consider lynching me over them that's for sure). There is no reason for me to play anti town besides the sandroba thing.
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Killing should not be doubted at this point. He could have just been making up random shit when we were PMing back and forth, but that would have taken a mighty imagination on his end
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On April 03 2014 12:14 Killing wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 12:04 justanothertownie wrote:On April 03 2014 11:58 Killing wrote:On April 03 2014 11:51 justanothertownie wrote:On April 03 2014 11:49 Killing wrote:On April 03 2014 09:55 justanothertownie wrote:On April 03 2014 09:51 yamato77 wrote:
Dandel's post makes me want to kill him, too.
Rayn's reads are shitty because there's no reason to go "YEP HE'S TOWN" 5 minutes into the game unless you're mafia trying to make friends. I disagree. So the actual reads are not the problem here? Can you explain what this means? I don't think there is no reason to post early gut reads. It is much more useful than proposing a random lynch for example. So you think gut reads are better than just saying nothing and random lynching yet you've said nothing? I think everything you've said so far has been incredibly fluffly. You had the smiley read that was incredibly random and then your explanation for why you asked the reasoning for WoS vs Robik was bad as well. You stated that you asked for the reason on the WoS read because robik opened the exact same way. On April 03 2014 09:33 justanothertownie wrote:On April 03 2014 09:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Robik your read on Wave is wrong. Troll or serious? Then why do you prod him about it if you get where he's coming from. After that you go into traffic cop mode trying to settle the dispute between DI and Rob. You're my top scumread so far so I'd love to actually hear some content rather than all of this fluff. Seriously dude? You are contradicting yourself in the first part of your post... if I give a random read then that is more than most people here did. Maybe you should explain why my reasoning is bad instead of just throwing shit. I don't even know what you are talking about here. I never said WoS and Robik opened the same way?! You wanted to know the reasoning of the WoS read but never asked for the robik one. I never said that you read them the same way. It seemed that you were curious about the WoS read but then you didn't really care about why he read Rob town. Your only read has been that you liked the smiley thing so I wouldn't agree than "that is more than most people here did".
Don't really like this post at all. Curiousity is something I generally attribute to town not scum, so that's an odd heuristic he's following.
On April 05 2014 01:09 Killing wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 20:56 Tehpoofter wrote:@marv forgive me if I don't take your word for it  But if some others can verify I'll definitely take it into account. I think you're wrong on Robik. So I will say I disagree strongly with you and encourage you to reread my case. @Killing, Paperscraps (Maybe VE?) you guys play with Robik do you agree with my case? Also paper lots of heat on you atm why did you null read defend me? Robert isn't mafia. If he rolled mafia in a game where he has many partners, he'd give no fucks. I don't know if he got some sick 3p role that he's excited to play but I'm sure that he's not mafia. I'm only on page 99 but I'm gonna post because the Paperscraps BW is real. I think he's probably town, nothing he's written has been that scummy to me and it seems that people are jumping on him for the most part due to him writing backwards. I don't understand why no one has considered that he's decided to just troll by writing backwards. Everyone seems to jump to the conclusion that he's implying that his role requires him to write backwards. I don't believe he does have a role that requires him to write backwards but I also don't believe that he's mafia doing it. Also, I think tehpoofter is mafia. He's playing very similarly to his video mafia meta when he rolls mafia. I'm going to finish reading the thread and then if I have time, I'll write up a small post.
This is one thing that I specifically find odd. Robert somewhat early on made a post about how Daniel would 100% write backwards as scum and would 100% keep up with it to keep trolling as scum. He finds Robert to be town, specifically comments on the Daniel meta but doesn't in anyway analyze Robert or Daniel in that light together. Not 100% but I'm pretty sure Robert was suspicious of Banks too somewhat early on (just as Banks was suspicious of Robert) but he neither explains the read or builds on Robert's read. Like that combination is really odd to me.
When TL started playing Video, VE (i think was) made a very insightful comment in the postgame that many of the TL people weren't townreading each other and that that should be a good tell that at least a few of them were scum. In the least that they should be pressured to force out their alignment. I know that Joey playes Epic mafia a decent amount, but I do find it odd that he's focused so much on JAT early over reading the Daily people that he's accustomed to.
On April 05 2014 01:20 Killing wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2014 01:18 marvellosity wrote:
the case on Paper has nothing to do with him writing backwards.
All I sought to establish with that is that it was alignment-neutral. I know some people have made legitimate cases on why paperscraps is mafia, I'm just saying that people that are saying that is their strongest point are either dumb or mafia trying to get an easy lynch.
I don't really like this post at all. He's never actually explained his reasoning for Daniel to be town and he's hard defending him without it. Like that's pretty major alarm bells imo.
On April 05 2014 01:42 Killing wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2014 01:25 marvellosity wrote:
iamp is town. So if you can try to prove to me poofter is mafia, then I'm listening. Quickly on tehpoofter before I read amiko's filter, as town he's much more passionate about his reads. He's never willing to setttle for going along with the general town consensus but rather wants to push his own agenda. As mafia, he doesn't really want to rattle people and if he sees a ML, he'll just bandwagon onto it. Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 21:18 Tehpoofter wrote:
@marv oh snap! Did I post between those? This read to me as like scum happy that someone fucked up. It probably reads like nothing to you guys but it seemed like it to me. Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 20:41 Tehpoofter wrote:
@marv not sure I trust you tbh. I read robik as mafia and you were defending him pretty hard during the battle that was going on. Are you the type of player that would hard defend a scummate like that?
more importantly do other people think that Marv and Robik are likely to be connected as scummates, I know nothing of marv's play so outside input is encouraged. (even if you disagree with me that robik is scum would marv d-up hard day with a teammate?) He states that he thinks that marv and rob could both be scum mates. I don't think banks could ever read rob as scum in this game. It's just so obvious to me that rob isn't mafia. I think he'd be with me thinking that rob is probably town. I disagree with the majority of his meta read post. Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 21:03 Tehpoofter wrote:
@marv we will agree to disagree. Do you think I'm more scum or town based on what you've seen? You seem quite confident on Robik and I can't imagine you've played too much with him, so what about me?
I think if banks was town he'd be attacking marv harder here ( this was before marv found the paperscraps thing ) but he's kinda doing this friendly agree to disagree stuff even though he thinks they could be together. Then he votes on paperscraps and says we can lynch rob tommorow. None of this probably makes sense to any of you but just reading through tehpoofter's filter and then comparing it with his video meta, he reads scummy to me.
I don't agree with his video meta on Banks here. Banks also isn't one of the players who "transfers over" to TL Forum well from video imo. I can see this post coming from either alignment Joey though.
His push against horse/the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse is really odd to me. Like from what I've seen of Town Joey, he really doesn't give a fuck. He just pushes what he thinks are good lynches and gives ok reasons for them. Like there are lots of reasons to push to lynch Vayne other than just "claimed anti-town role" and "claimed horse." Like that's a super easy copout as scum. I can absolutely see this being a scum on scum push where you don't want to bury them but you 100% want to be on the right wagon especially when Vayne is not playing the game. It's also interesting to me that he votes Amiko over the "horses" that he fears especially when he wants to kill an anti-town claimed role.
Joey's Iamp read comes completely fucking out of nowhere too. Like that's really, really fucking weird. Like after the Gum lynch he still wants to lynch Banks and adds Iamp to that. Like that's really super odd.
Overall, Austin I don't really like your reasons for Joey being scum at all. Like assuming that roles are town or scum based on what they do is really fucking terrible. Hell I remember people trying to game you as town in PTP4 based on how you used your role and how/when you claimed it. Like that's really bad and it's really weird to me that you're not making any argument based on what he's done that makes him scum instead of his role makes him scum.
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On April 09 2014 04:46 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2014 04:44 geript wrote:On April 09 2014 04:35 austinmcc wrote:On April 08 2014 19:17 geript wrote:As for LSB, he's attacked Town Hero Keirathi who I wanted to sheep so he can die. More importantly though, he's done fuck all this game as far as I can tell 2 pages. He's also attacked yamato. I remember when I was following along that yamato looked pretty town pretty early on; like he's pretty obvious mafia so that read seems really out of place to me. In reading his push against Paper, idk, like I don't have any problem with a Keir having a soft townread for someone being carefree/happy. Like that's a pretty normal early soft townread imo so pushing Keir and scraps at the same time especially when his push on scraps is completely illogical is really bad. I actually don't like him pushing against Hopeless later on either. Like Keir has phenominal meta reads and he had a strong meta read on Hopeless (mental reminder filter Keir and Hopeless to doublecheck validity). Like I'd absolutely love to lynch this guy because there are good reasons to but: On April 05 2014 01:45 LSB wrote:
Is holyflare always this paranoid? I'm not ride or die on this post, but I think it's a good reason to suspect LSB for being town here despite all of the other options. It's both recognizing a different sort of play and trying to read into it. That's a "putting pieces together post" so I lump him in the town pile. Also, instead of just dumping on this, can I ask, specifically, what "sort of play" you think this recognizes? Like, in the context of Holy posting and LSB posting at this time, what's the angle that you think LSB is coming from and is putting pieces together from? I fully agree that people can come from different angles and that some are pure townie. I'm trying to understand what you think LSB was thinking here. Most times, scum generally don't make insightful posts. It just doesn't happen. Like a lot of times those type of posts come from town. Prplhz did the same thing in cell where he made some pretty insightful posts on me but early I was blindly tunneled on him and Rayn was blindly tunneled on me so I didn't stop to actually read and analyze either properly. So when you see a good post like that, it's generally town seeking some sort of confirmation. Is it quite possibly a scum soft pushing a mislynch based on perceived behavioral difference? Sure. But I don't think so. Like he doesn't bother pushing that point at all and doesn't lump HF in his scumpile. I just think he's town who's wrong/bad/whatever. That simple. As for your promise/bet/offer/whatever, like I don't care if you show me ankle, your not hard pee pee or Marv's heterosexually challenged pee pee. I'm not role claiming. I will however be more than happy to read Joey. Okeedoke on the claiming. So that post is...LSB trying to figure out HF, but not pushing him for scum? You think he's legit trying to learn about HF's play to read him? THIS ISN'T REALLY A TRAP HERE I JUST DON'T GET THE SAME SENSE YOU DO FROM THAT BUT I'D LIKE TO ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND WHERE YOUR SENSE IS COMING FROM Yes.
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I was curious about Joey's fascination with the horsies too, but after the pm game, it made a bit more sense.
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