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On April 02 2014 04:13 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: As a member of group 3 I still like that order because I don't have to play for a long time. Can't tell if claiming mafia or just claiming uninterested townie | ||
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Activity is very town favored because it is easier to find mafia if everyone has to speak, than throw darts at lurkers. I am going to rank players based on what I remember based on the most recent game in the TL mafia database A - Active Players, solid contributions and good amount of posts IL - Inactive or Lurking players, little thread presence in the last game This raiting is mainly to determine inactivity. Bold is for emphasis I didn't look to hard, but if you had at least 8 pages of posts I considered you active and if you had long posts I counted you as active Cell 1 A - Raynpelikonoshi - Probably the most active player on the forums A - Gumshoe - Active in A quiet game A - Steveling http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/311554-surprisingly-normal-mini-mafia-vii?user=Steveling&page=4 Cell 2 A Holyflare - Active in LXIII IL Tehpoofter - Modkilled for inactivity last game IL mderg - Inactive last game he played. It was 2 years ago http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/309405-werewolves-invade-teamliquid-ii?user=mderg Cell 3 A Palmar - Active in Default Suspicions IL Sentinel - Self admitted inactive and not in for the long haul ? Coagulation - Kushm4sta is active, but Coag can't post his seal. Cell 4 A Balla24 - Active in Default Suspicions A LSB IL Alakaslam - Pretends to be Chez, but never back it up with analysis. Cell 5 A Getmoript - Previous Hydra was active A prplhz - Active in Default supsions A Cephiro - Active in GMB If we go by this we see that Cell 1 and Cell 5 contain all active players. Cell 2 contains two inactive players Cell 3/4 contain at least one inactive player. Based on this, my ideal order would be 2,3,4,5,1. Or 2,3,4,1,5 Ultimentally this data would be best supplimented by seeing day 1 post counts. | ||
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On April 02 2014 04:46 raynpelikonoshi wrote: I'd rather not get our group lynched so i can tell who is mafia in every group LSB. ~rayn Sorry I don't understand, can you please rephrase? | ||
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On April 02 2014 04:47 prplhz wrote: "unreadable" as in "having them around probably will not give you any information to work with". at the same time lynching into unreadables might give us a good idea about the people left in the town, rather than autolynching someone who claimed scum. if there's some ezpz town read in a group i think it would make sense to have them around for long, they can help town focus and will not cause a distraction. So if you are so focused on lynching unreadables, why are you on a giant crusade to lynch group four first? This just doesn't make sense. I can understand slam to a certain degree if he just plays nonsense, however me and balla are pretty active and readable. Why not something like group 2 or 3 if you are looking for people that are unreadible? | ||
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On April 02 2014 04:54 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Actually this "which group to lynch first" is really stupid for the next 40 hours. Townie points for the person who first tells why. ~rayn Stap ignoring me  | ||
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On April 02 2014 04:52 raynpelikonoshi wrote: You just said he seems kinda scummy. ~rayn Prplhz is just a mess of contradictions right now. Likes the scummy balla. Wants some easily readible town group to stay in the game for a long time, agrees that group four is readible and pushes them to get put up to the block first | ||
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Here is the idea. Day 1 Lynch is very different from any other lynch because we can actually choose who we want to lynch. We have over two days for analysis, from there we need to determine a trustworthy mayor candidate and an ideal day 1 lynch. We place that group for the day 1 lynch and lynch that player. The rest of the days we can determine the order through some other sort of metric, I would prefer the one I linked here because it is less subjective http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/446977-cell-mini-mafia?page=9#170 | ||
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On April 02 2014 05:09 raynpelikonoshi wrote: LSB the mayor decides the order for all the groups after 48 hours. Then, based on the order, the first group is up for lynch and D1 starts. ~rayn Yes I know, I agree that the first group should be done via reads at least. Possibly even the second. However I think it is pretty foolhardy to determine the order of five groups by reads based. It would be a much better bet to hedge for activity. | ||
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On April 02 2014 05:12 getmoript wrote: No I don't like your reasoning. I'm not saying you're wrong on what you've said (skimmed), but the stance: Is a super odd stance for a towny to make. It's neither stating, "I don't fucking care who mayor is and I don't fucking care about the order" OR "I super care about who the mayor is and what the order is." I've seen and played in a number of odd games and I've taken a number of unique stances about things myself, but I don't think I've ever seen a stance that's so bland about it. Like that's a really, really weird way to approach this game and I'm not liking you right now for not picking up on this specifically. No. The point is this. The order is decided by the town. The mayor is nothing but a figurehead who submits the order decided by the town to Artanis. If the order differs we policy lynch the mayor. In this case it doesn't even matter who the mayor is. Heck it might even be the top scumread + Show Spoiler + Actually that's a risky idea, but can work in specific situations. For example if the top scumread is in a group with someone we'd liked to get confirmd | ||
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On April 02 2014 07:12 gumshoe wrote: That is exceptionally optimistic of you Rayn to think well catch scum easy before day 1, but honestly if were playing it that way, day 1 should be someone whose alignment we need to know the most, not someone whose guaranteed scum, I mean if your so certain geript is mafia just put him in slot 3(so hes at least guaranteed to be killed before town loses) and have 1 and 2 reserved for people with large influence but questionable loyalties. Information lynches sounds like a horrible idea. Just because if we lynch Geript and he flips green or red, that tells us jack shit. That being said I am perfectly fine with a Geript day one lynch The most confusing thing for me is the sudden change from On April 02 2014 06:58 getmoript wrote: Know what, I'm a lock. Lynch me. Know prplhz is scum then lynch Rayn and Slam. Make me mayor and I'll set it up. Like no way Rayn is town here. It seems like Rayn caught him on some bullshit and geript decided to stick to the bullshit. To me it makes no sense for geript to promote lynching withing group 5 on anyone but prplhz as town. The easiest explanation is he wants to manufacture a town read (mafia would never commit suicide) rather than actually attempting to further the town win condition. Another thing I have a huge concern about is that prplhz is probably the easiest target to push. His filter is a mess of contradictions as many people have pointed out. And geript seems to be picking at probably the most easiest thing to find rather than making legitimate reads On April 02 2014 07:21 raynpelikonoshi wrote: I suggest we lynch Cell 4 first. Alakaslam is mafia. You can take this as a fact regardless of my & geript's alignment because we are clearly not both mafia, if one of us is mafia they are bussing because we know how the other one reads Slam and if we are both town the read is genuine either way. If there is one thing i agree with geript it's that Slam is scum. geript if you are town stop the shitlogic and find scum. Right now your cases are based on you not reading properly and bad logic as pointed out multiple times. ~rayn I have no idea what town is to gain from lynching Slam first. I admit that I can't read slam, so I'd be perfectly fine bandwagon a little off your read, however you remove me and balla from the equation quickly. If you are that confident that slam is mafia, a day 4 ( 3rd lynch) of cell 4 would be best allowing me and balla to contribute for more days. | ||
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Rayn thinks geript is mafia, Koshi thinks he isn't. Or did I mis something? WTF | ||
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On April 02 2014 07:31 prplhz wrote: like, literally getript gum lsb all completely ignoring my posts Since you asked On April 02 2014 05:03 prplhz wrote: "likes scummy balla" already addressed this. you'd rather that LYLO is a bunch of unreadables with questionable scumhunting skills? + Show Spoiler + Lets look at what my original plan would have at lylo (day 3). Cells 4, 5, 1. This consists of some of the most active players in the game, while removing inactives and people who fall off heavily past day 1. Your plan would have 2 1 5. We both agree that 1,5 have active players. However you seriously think Holyflare Tehpoofter mderg Is more readable than LSB balla24 Alakaslam ??? On April 02 2014 05:03 prplhz wrote: i never agreed that cell4 is easily readable? i'd like you to point out where i did this. + Show Spoiler + On April 02 2014 04:47 prplhz wrote: we also agreed on cell 4 first though apparently for different reasons but i don't mind that because his reasons are alright too. i'm okay with him for now. On April 02 2014 07:32 prplhz wrote: yes but he didn't, he completely ignored me and i had to ask 3 times. strikes me as scummy that he doesn't want to make his own post readable. In addition your only scum read is incredibly suspect. You bandwagon on Geript's plan sucks. And then your reason why he is scum is because he is ignoring you (and you are his major scumread) Honestly you haven't really done much in the thread The most concerning part is that prplhz and geript can't both be mafia. I'll leaning more on prplhz being town simply due to the fact that I don't think mafia would make this many mistakes, especially with the first few posts. | ||
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On April 02 2014 07:49 Alakaslam wrote: Oh I thought this was sleeper cell, this is a different type of cell. Ok. Well, my group should be up first Rayn. I know this because: 1: you can read me like a book (don't act like you can't; you have never ultimately been wrong on me in recent memory) 2: people get this 3: the other two includes Balla24, who also reccommend we go first- either very ballsy scum or (my opinion) totes town 4: so we lynch that other dude I forgot 5:profit 6: no more YouTube but this will be a loss to future readers ![[image loading]](http://bestclipartblog.com/clipart-pics/-school-bus-clipart-3.jpg) | ||
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The only way cell one makes scense to me is if Rayn thinks gumshoe is mafia, and is only claiming he thinks gumshoe is town as a bait and switch to see who would defend gumshoe If this isn't the case rayn is either being idotic, or playing pretty scummily I am begining to doubt rayn being town. Would town rayn want to get killed on day 1? I would assume he would want to live as long as possible. Steveling is buthurt about the other two members of his group being town, but I don't think he is thinking it through correctly. Someone is lying and he is gullible enough to believe them. What kind of mafia member is stupid enough to complain to the mods in the official thread that his two cellmates are town? Cell 2 Holyflare has the long filter, little content syndrome. Though that could be just holyflare People are mostly calling Mderg mafia because of who he defends, however if you truely believe that you need to lynch who he defends first. And even if they flip mafia, more likely than not mderg would be town. I don't buy the "you are defending scum so you must be scum" argument anymore Cell 3 Putting Cell 3 on the block first is a fantastic idea, Palmar and Sentinel both state that they won't be active as much after the begining of the game, and Coag really is just interested in killing slam. There are a lot of people complaining about lurkers, and this is the quickest way to get rid of three future lurkers. As for reads. I have not played with [UoN]Sentinel before but publically annoucing On April 02 2014 04:42 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Adding to the town list, I kinda did both intermittently (lurk and tunnel) in Resistance III. Although might be true, is pretty scummy in my book. Cell 4 Alakaslam On April 02 2014 11:35 Alakaslam wrote: LSB brushes me aside because he knows I am town Right now it is classy to call me scum before I say anything so Resisting the urge to do this via knowledge of the opposite, leaves my lynch open without looking like a fool before I said anything People suddenly start talking in the thread about lynching group one first. You show up out of no where and agree that group one should be lynched first. You make some shitty case without thinking it through. Suddenly you realize that you shouldn't have given a town read to the two other people in your group. This is the most obvious bus I have ever seen. Cell 5 As I have stated before, I think that Getmoript is more scummy than prplhz. However keep in mind that there is a third member of the group. Why hasn't Cephiro said anything? Is Cephira just simply inactive? Or is he lurking because he wants to see Getmoript and Prplhz destroy each other. Lynch Later I would like to see Cephiro replaced, or start talking | ||
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This is soley based on post count/content in the current game Cell 1 A - Raynpelikonoshi A - Gumshoe A - Steveling Cell 2 A Holyflare A Tehpoofter A mderg Cell 3 IL Palmar - Announced will be inactive IL Sentinel - Announced will be inactive IL Coagulation - Kushm4sta is active, but Coag can't post his seal. Cell 4 A Balla24 A LSB A Alakaslam Cell 5 A Getmoript A prplhz IL Cephiro Of which I can only identify two true lurkers, Coagulation and Cephiro. So please stop complaining about lurkers. | ||
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On April 03 2014 05:37 Coagulation wrote: lsb kush hasnt even posted yet. wtf r u talking about Forgot to edit that part of the copypaste out | ||
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On April 03 2014 05:42 prplhz wrote: @LSB You don't think you'd contribute more by commenting on happenings in the thread than by maintaining a lurker list? If only I had a large list that contained my thoughts on every cell in the game | ||
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Our mayor ran on a campaign that he wanted to lynch 100% the person that he now thinks is town. I will announce the creation of LSB's Vote Block! ![[image loading]](http://www.lawrencetown.ednet.ns.ca/vote.gif) For a town that votes without thinking is a town doomed to failure The LSB vote block is interested in only supporting candidates that announce the order in which they will put the candidates up for lynch, and are willing to be policy lynched for failure to adhere to the order. The LSB vote block follows an activity based order system. Lynch inactives first and actives last. Some people complain about inactives, the LSB vote block actually does something about the inactives. Cell 3 will be designated as the most inactive vote block. The LSB vote block promotes early voting for blocks with a lot of discussion on them. Long protracted arguments can be detrimental not only to analysis (tunneling), but also may fracture the town. And now the order: 3 - Two people who will drop off early and coag, this is the definition of an inactive group 5 - Getmoript and prplhz have lots of analysis done on them, Cephiro is inactive 1 - The Rayn/Gumeshoe/Steveling thing is a mess that needs to be sorted out 2 - Process of elimination, 2 has to go here 4- LSB Believes that he will be able to best contribute to town victory by staying alive for a long time The LSB vote block consists of one person (LSB), however he consists of 6.67% of the town voice, a very large share. Currently the only candidate that will ascribe to the LSB vote block principles is LSB so the LSB vote block will vote for LSB ##Vote: LSB The LSB voting block is willing to support any other candidate that chooses 3-5 as the first two cells to be voted off the island. LSB is willing to consider switching the order of the last three cells should anyone wish to join the LSB voting block. | ||
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On April 03 2014 12:20 raynpelikonoshi wrote: LSB how are you "most likely to solve the game" when you have given zero reads in this game? ~rayn I am not claiming this game is solvable. I am simply claiming that I find it odd that with only 24 hours left in the mayor candidate running we have no clear idea what order the town should lynch people in. There are two ways we cay do this. We decide an order first and post it, holding the mayor to the order. Another way we can do it is holding fake elections for who to lynch first, and then making sure that the group with the most votes in it will be put up first. However we still need to order the remaining four groups. I propose we use ##Lynch: Playername to indicate a desire to lynch (and put the group first). We can even maintain unofficial vote counts. + Show Spoiler + On April 03 2014 12:25 getmoript wrote: The better question is: LSB how are you likely to solve this game considering how many scum you 'caught' in PYP? Do you shit up tl forums because you find it fun to be a troll? Or are you just a disgusting human being? Please leave | ||
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Since Coag at this point is unreadable, the main thing is to determine the alignments of the other two players in the game [UoN]Sentinel - Town. The main reason why I think Sentinel is town is his wall of text on gumshoe http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/446977-cell-mini-mafia?page=56#1103. Firstly as a side note. Thinking from a mafia perspective, there is no reason to defend gumshoe (regardless of his alignment). Both members of the cell seem to agree that gumshoe is town. And both Rayn and Steveling quickly accept gumeshoes questionable 'swear on my own life' as a big deal, leading me to believe that one of them is the mafia. Next up it seems like he is thinking coherently about people's alignment rather than fabricating claims. His post reads a lot like someone who was trying to view gumshoe as mafia but then changed his mind after actually reading the posts. Sentinel certainly provides a lot of reasoning for it too Palmar - The thing I don't like the most about Palmar is how buddy buddy he is playing with Rayn (and geript). Of course, Palmar actually reads the setup and understands that two people in a group can't be mafia. Of course, palmar admitted he does this a lot as town so I can't take this as alignment indicative. The only other possible things with palmar that are alignment indicative in his filter are his read of Gumshoe and focus only on group one. I really like the fact that he is focusing only on group one. Honestly it seems to me that spreading your reads out is pretty scummy as they don't even have to be coherent, and one of the most important thing about finding mafia is that it gives us confirmed town*. Palmar is certainly taking advantage of the setup and how beneficial it can be for town and I like that *If we are 100% sure someone is mafia, it would be better to lynch that group later so we have two confirmed town speaking for a while ##Lynch Coag by process of elimination coag should be mafia | ||
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I can see how this plays out, we'll lynch all the active players first and then complain this setup sucked because there were only inactive players at the end and we couldn't lynch them. At this point I cannot avoid commenting on group one so I will do so. The major problem with group 1 is that gumshoe made a (seemly) innocent remark about betting his life that he is town, and Rayn and Steveling immediately accepted it as fact. I'm sure throughout a game people would always randomly say that they are town. It would be foolish to believe that Gumshoe would be willing to commit sudoku if he was mafia. Rayn immediately accepting that gumshoe is claiming town is incredibly suspicious (rayn has disproved my theory that he was lying about it), as is Steveling making a big deal about it. If Alakaslam turns around and tells me he is totes town, there is no way I’m going to immediately drop my case on him and announce “Welp, that’s all folks”. Steveling making a huge deal about it is suspicious, however I too agree that town claims are horrible and I don’t like playing with them regardless of alignment. The major problem is that what Rayn did is illogical and Steveling looks really bad because he has been trying to explain what rayn did in a framework. Especially since he thinks that gumshoe is scum I will conclude this Gumshoe is most likely town, and did not cheat. It is the reaction of the other two members of the group that clears him Rayn probably was not certain about his gumshoe read. Fake tunneling is pretty suspicious Steveling is having trouble figuring out if rayn and gum are both town or both scum. This could be a huge scumslip | ||
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![[image loading]](http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n99/chuiu/TLmafia_new.png) Cell Mini Mafia: The Confirmed town mini game Setup Supershort explanation ONE MAYOR ELECTION. PERSON WITH 3 CONFIRMED TOWN POINTS WIN. Short explanation 10 Town, 5 Mafia players. No nights. Day 1: Players may choose to confirm other players as town. Confirming someone as town gives them a confirmed town point. Having a Mod confirm you as town gives you one confirmed town point Day 2: What's the point of multiple days? This is the town confirming game! FAQ: Can I confirm myself as town? Yes! Of course you can! You just can't use a meta seal or something Can I fake a mod confirmation of town? All mod conversations will be dealt with PMs What about analysis is that important Sorry you are at the confiming town mini game. If you want to play mafia and do analysis you can go to the mafia quicktopic mini game What's the mayor election for It's just something LSB is worried about. You can ignore him | ||
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On April 04 2014 02:53 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Use the following structure: "Order: V W X Y Z Reason: "because of these couple of sentences" thanks ~rayn Long version here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/446977-cell-mini-mafia?page=62#1223 I'll give you the TLDR: 35124 35 First, killing inactive first. This is what I think is most important. All else is secondary 1 Next. Would be nice to get the group cleared up by a lynch 4 Last. I know I am town so I want to live long to contribute much. | ||
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On April 04 2014 03:03 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Can you explain why would we as town want to kill inactives first? The other scenario is to kill people we have reads on and we don't have to kill inactives at all. I think by doing that we have much better chances of winning (= lynch 3 scum in a row and not mind about the "hard" groups). ~rayn Each group is objectively hard. As I have mentioned before, it may be advantageous to make the day 1 lynch the one focus on a major scum candidate. However we have no way of knowing which groups will be hard in the future. In addition the easiest way to cause a town loss is by removing activity from a town and having a game stagnate. In addition inactive players are less likely to contribute or think on their own twoards the later lynches. We would progressively get less accurate | ||
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On April 03 2014 01:22 Holyflare wrote: Who the hell says we trust steve? You've made the last 20 pages a shit fest that say nothing other than talk about each other and you never ever consider Steve, who hasn't really done anything at all other than filter and come to conclusions already drawn. Vote me for mayor. I listen to town consensus . If i go against town you can lynch me. Let's stop this shit of i should be mayor because I'm so town or he should be mayor just cz my read so gd. Vote me, end of all this mayor talk. Find scum outside of your cell! His whole reason for being mayor is to follow the town consensus, however he has done absolutely nothing in work to establish a town consensus for what order to lynch people in. Nor has he indicated in any way shape or form what order people are going to be in. (Well he did call my major town read scum, and probably will put that group first, which seems like a bad idea to me). Simply allowing someone to maintain an order without a discussion is incredibly scummy because scum could easily set up the order so it is advantageous to them | ||
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On April 04 2014 03:46 Steveling wrote: Anyway, ask legit stuff, I'll be around for some more time. What's the timer till day1 ends? Three hours. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/446977-cell-mini-mafia?page=77#1522 We have like 6 people set to be modkilled | ||
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On April 04 2014 04:16 raynpelikonoshi wrote: LSB What group would you place second? Put group 3 (assuming you are dead set on group one 1). Activity based, and I have green reads on the two that are not coag, and I don't think we would get much help from palmar/sentinel throughout the game. | ||
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On April 04 2014 04:20 raynpelikonoshi wrote: No I am putting group 3 first. Who is second now? Group 5. If you want to continue activity base. Another reason why I am so dead set on activity is because even if rayn is correct and we have 3 people we know are scum, it doesn't matter in which order we lynch them, we can always save them for later and have 2 confirmed town contributing throughout the game. Just to add since people will say this is a copout awnser. I would say that aside from activity based group 1 is a strong candidate for being up for lynch early, simply because there is a heavy focus on the group and a flip can clear things up. In addition I have a few reads in group one already. Above all I am beginning to think that rayn as mayor would help me read group one a lot better because what he chooses to do is incredibly alignment indicative. | ||
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Reasoning here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/446977-cell-mini-mafia?page=63#1243 | ||
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On April 06 2014 06:15 Palmar wrote: But would you even have shown up if people weren't voting you? That's what I'm struggling with. Activity being alignment indicative is a horrible idea. Though of course I'm the one saying this. | ||
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The good news with Cell One is that Coagulation has started up and became active lately. This is surprising to me because I would typically not expect Coagulation to care if he was going to die or not, regardless of alignment and just lurk/troll. However I admit I am unable to read Coagulation so I will seek to example the other two players In the group I would say that Palmar is the clear townie. I would consider him the main town voice driving not only discussion and original thought. The only major concern is that he isn't being very trolly which I would associate with him normal town play. On the plus side not only is he very invested in finding the mafia in his own group, he also cares about much more than his own group. [UoN]Sentinel has taken that to the extreame, he has shown little interest in his own cell. Of course, with Palmar being green my book its somewhat understandable. However Sentinel has expressed doubt at the greeness of palmar. In addition he leaves weak reads on everyone else. This post in particular stands out to me for being very weak http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/446977-cell-mini-mafia?page=106#2104 It seems like a long post at first, however I don't see any reason to include the massive amount of quotes nessissary to make it work. Likewise the analysis is increadibly weak at the very end It is pretty shitty saying this so close to the deadline. :/ | ||
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On April 06 2014 06:30 Coagulation wrote: and pretending to contribute but saying nothing. at least I had the decency to tell yall fuck off when yall asked me for reads This is what I like about Coag, he's honest. | ||
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About to be lynched, helps the wagon by self vote naming everyone voting for you scum. Only in Cell Maifa. | ||
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On April 06 2014 06:49 Steveling wrote: Coag if you provide some reads, under the latest happenings I will switch my vote. I can't go against my principles, so do that pls. Cause Sent totally provided reads right? He totally did not just take the last five people who voted for him and call them scum | ||
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Now I am saying that before I make my own associative reads. From now on I will say that Rayn was definitively scum. 1) His gumshoe case was weak. I don't think town rayn would spend most of his time tunneling someone and then suddenly drop it on a whim... 2) He claimed scum and got himself modkilled. I am all for policy lynching people who claim scum, especially people who claim scum because they know they are about to be sent to the TL ban list. Rayn and Geript. I cannot fathom how rayn and geript would be on the same scumteam together. The level of acting and interaction would seriously have me question "Do you have a life? Or do you spend all your time pretending to argue?". To me their conversations are far too numerous and far to genuine to be faked. Ceph is lurking far to hard to be readable. I actually don't think this is the first game in which he has done that though... Time to filter prphz | ||
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In specific I would like to see Cephiro's thoughts on Prphz and Geript. | ||
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I've already said that I would be expecting Cephiro to try to make an effort to play, and until he post I have absolutely no reason to not vote for him ##Vote: Cephiro | ||
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/eq2UiGD.png) No I do not know how to get your Honoured Alliance and Fought to the end relations so high + Show Spoiler + I am testing out a new format since I find it interesting Okay. First of all there is no focus at all on My group or Holyflare's Group. I am going to assume that mafia were set on winning the first three groups. Either that or the Mafia are very comfortable with the people in the last two groups that they don't need to worry about anything. I feel like I am probably one of the best candidates for down in group 5, so I'm going to toss the second theory out. After all, before I started yelling a lot of people thought Rayn was town even though he was modkilled, and there was no way that Palmar knew that we would suddenly turn on him. If we do use this horrible associative WIFORM read, certaintly prplhz does look bad, as detailed by town members who are dead set on using associative reads Associative Reads: -10 Active- Look, most of the members of the game are lurking, and generally lurking is a great strategy for mafia if the town is lurking too. Since there are more lurkers than remaining mafia members it isn't a bad idea. That being said Prphz has lurked pretty hard this past day. Even though I was gone for essentially the entirety of today I don't feel like I missed much Active: +5 (-3/Year) "I totally knew Palmar was scum" Check out this post + Show Spoiler + On April 06 2014 10:26 prplhz wrote: Yes. At the beginning of the day I filtered [UoN]Sentinel and concluded that he was town. That's why I didn't do much today, the lynch was going on Coagulation and I was perfectly happy with that. At the same time people were poking [UoN]Sentinel and Coagulation and I didn't think there was any reason for me to clutter the thread too much. I came into this thread tonight around 40 mins before deadline. I saw that Palmar had moved his vote to [UoN]Sentinel and I thought that this was a little odd because I had a firm town read on [UoN]Sentinel but at the same time I also had a firm town read on Palmar so I started doubting myself. In any case I noticed that it was 30 minutes since Palmar had moved his vote but no one else had moved their votes and I found this odd because Palmar's opinion usually carries a lot of weight. (Later I realized that it was because Palmar wasn't actually pushing [UoN]Sentinel but just placing his vote). I thought to myself that I didn't really know who to lynch. On one hand I thought [UoN]Sentinel was town but on the other hand my biggest town read thought he was scum. Anyway, I decided to vote for [UoN]Sentinel simply to see what would happen. Maybe scum wanted to switch away from Coagulation but were afraid to be first vote and maybe there was some information to gain from voting patterns. I did not believe that [UoN]Sentinel would be lynched at this point. Then suddenly three other people also switched their votes and I wrote to Palmar and asked him to remember to say if he saw anything suspicious. It was getting close to deadline and I didn't really know what was going on so I wanted his thoughts before he died. Then [UoN]Sentinel made a post that could only come from a townie, the one where he changed all of his reads and voted for himself. This convinced me that [UoN]Sentinel had to be town and I switched my vote back to Coagulation. I still didn't think there was any danger of a [UoN]Sentinel lynch at this point, I had counted 5-6 votes for [UoN]Sentinel and that left plenty of votes for Coagulation. Hence the flip flopping. I voted for [UoN]Sentinel because Palmar's vote had me doubting and because of curiosity, and I changed my vote back because [UoN]Sentinel made a post I don't think scum can make. That's also why, when Coagulation flipped town, I started thinking that Palmar had to be scum. Really? You decided to bandwangon [UoN]Sentinel because you concluded he is town. Suddenly people 'fall for your trap' and you conclude that palmar is mafia? Why would a random voteswitch from a townie to a (assumed) townie be indicative of mafia action? Seems like a really shitty reason to believe that Palmar is scum. Sure there is additional explination here but hindsight is 20/20 Likewise his case on steveling is so forshadowed I can hear the inception music. He starts off with the classic question "Can you give me reads on 9 people you have never thought deeply about right now or I call you scum" On April 07 2014 02:21 prplhz wrote: @Steveling What is your scumteam right now? Fabricated Claims: -25 Defensive Play Well, lastly I tried to look for what Prplhz thought of Geprit and Cephiro. I couldn't find anything. It is sad to think that Cephiro has more analysis on the group than Prplhz. After all your group you have a 50% chance of hitting mafia. As town, it is vitally important that you win your group and he hasn't been doing much to stick his head out and go after someone in his group. On April 06 2014 17:44 prplhz wrote: Decided that Cephiro is scum. Lets make the lynch between Cephiro and me? ##Vote Cephiro Seems a really odd attitude for town to have Plotting against us! -15 The point system was meaningless. The only reason why I did it because I thought it was fun ##unvote ##Vote Prplhz + Show Spoiler [Bonus] + On April 07 2014 02:29 prplhz wrote: List of people who give more than zero fucks: prplhz On April 08 2014 02:02 prplhz wrote: I'm out of this game, I just cannot read another gumshoe post. I don't think gumshoe is scum because it's impossible to fake this kind of dumb. I still think raynpelikonoshi was town. I think Steveling is scum. I think it is weird that Palmar changed his read on him in his last-reads-post without saying it in the thread. I also think it's weird that Steveling liked gumshoe's associative reads post on me so much, when Steveling didn't seem to agree with the scum reads in the post, especially Balla24 and mderg. If Holyflare doesn't get scum lynched today he's probably scum. Saying that I'm so town it hurts and then afking when he has the ability to get me off the hook is As for Balla24 inactivity: Not gonna check this thread any more. | ||
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On April 08 2014 05:15 Holyflare wrote: cephiro has information on palmar being scum and information after palmars lynch that he shouldn't have because he hasn't been here and if he was he could have posted about it lynch cephiro with fire I never thought I would see an argument worse than "He claimed scum so he must be town". And "He seem town so he must be scum, and since he thought you were town you must be scum" however truely holyflare you have raised my expectations | ||
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Either vote for Prphlz or explain why you are 100% confident. | ||
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On April 08 2014 05:51 LSB wrote: Geript isn't scum, and there is no way we are moving this wagon all the way over there Either vote for Prphlz or explain why you are 100% confident he is town. EBWOP | ||
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I thought this setup was really nice, my thoughts on ideal ordering were honest. The order wasn't if you haven't figured out by now (Activity based ordering with three lurkers at the last spot  ). It's a shame that I got palmar killed first but I wasn't expecting anyone to seriously believe me.On April 08 2014 07:54 prplhz wrote: does anybody know how i was lynched? for future games. i thought i did the best job i have done in ages looking town. You were lynched because I wanted geript on my side and I was not going to lynch family. You were just the easy target I just made shit up on you. If I was town I would not have pushed your lynch. Gumshoe provided me a small opportunity that I jumped at On April 08 2014 09:10 kitaman27 wrote: Is this LSB's first win as mafia in 4 years?! I never thought I'd live to see the day. All these days of rolling town really pulled off :D, getting mislynched sucks sometimes but hey it was worth it. On April 08 2014 11:24 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: So can someone finally explain me what is the difference between town Palmar and scum Palmar? I DUNNO SECRET | ||
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