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On April 02 2014 04:13 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: As a member of group 3 I still like that order because I don't have to play for a long time. Can't tell if claiming mafia or just claiming uninterested townie | ||
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Activity is very town favored because it is easier to find mafia if everyone has to speak, than throw darts at lurkers. I am going to rank players based on what I remember based on the most recent game in the TL mafia database A - Active Players, solid contributions and good amount of posts IL - Inactive or Lurking players, little thread presence in the last game This raiting is mainly to determine inactivity. Bold is for emphasis I didn't look to hard, but if you had at least 8 pages of posts I considered you active and if you had long posts I counted you as active Cell 1 A - Raynpelikonoshi - Probably the most active player on the forums A - Gumshoe - Active in A quiet game A - Steveling http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/311554-surprisingly-normal-mini-mafia-vii?user=Steveling&page=4 Cell 2 A Holyflare - Active in LXIII IL Tehpoofter - Modkilled for inactivity last game IL mderg - Inactive last game he played. It was 2 years ago http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/309405-werewolves-invade-teamliquid-ii?user=mderg Cell 3 A Palmar - Active in Default Suspicions IL Sentinel - Self admitted inactive and not in for the long haul ? Coagulation - Kushm4sta is active, but Coag can't post his seal. Cell 4 A Balla24 - Active in Default Suspicions A LSB IL Alakaslam - Pretends to be Chez, but never back it up with analysis. Cell 5 A Getmoript - Previous Hydra was active A prplhz - Active in Default supsions A Cephiro - Active in GMB If we go by this we see that Cell 1 and Cell 5 contain all active players. Cell 2 contains two inactive players Cell 3/4 contain at least one inactive player. Based on this, my ideal order would be 2,3,4,5,1. Or 2,3,4,1,5 Ultimentally this data would be best supplimented by seeing day 1 post counts. | ||
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On April 02 2014 04:46 raynpelikonoshi wrote: I'd rather not get our group lynched so i can tell who is mafia in every group LSB. ~rayn Sorry I don't understand, can you please rephrase? | ||
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On April 02 2014 04:47 prplhz wrote: "unreadable" as in "having them around probably will not give you any information to work with". at the same time lynching into unreadables might give us a good idea about the people left in the town, rather than autolynching someone who claimed scum. if there's some ezpz town read in a group i think it would make sense to have them around for long, they can help town focus and will not cause a distraction. So if you are so focused on lynching unreadables, why are you on a giant crusade to lynch group four first? This just doesn't make sense. I can understand slam to a certain degree if he just plays nonsense, however me and balla are pretty active and readable. Why not something like group 2 or 3 if you are looking for people that are unreadible? | ||
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On April 02 2014 04:54 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Actually this "which group to lynch first" is really stupid for the next 40 hours. Townie points for the person who first tells why. ~rayn Stap ignoring me  | ||
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On April 02 2014 04:52 raynpelikonoshi wrote: You just said he seems kinda scummy. ~rayn Prplhz is just a mess of contradictions right now. Likes the scummy balla. Wants some easily readible town group to stay in the game for a long time, agrees that group four is readible and pushes them to get put up to the block first | ||
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Here is the idea. Day 1 Lynch is very different from any other lynch because we can actually choose who we want to lynch. We have over two days for analysis, from there we need to determine a trustworthy mayor candidate and an ideal day 1 lynch. We place that group for the day 1 lynch and lynch that player. The rest of the days we can determine the order through some other sort of metric, I would prefer the one I linked here because it is less subjective http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/446977-cell-mini-mafia?page=9#170 | ||
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On April 02 2014 05:09 raynpelikonoshi wrote: LSB the mayor decides the order for all the groups after 48 hours. Then, based on the order, the first group is up for lynch and D1 starts. ~rayn Yes I know, I agree that the first group should be done via reads at least. Possibly even the second. However I think it is pretty foolhardy to determine the order of five groups by reads based. It would be a much better bet to hedge for activity. | ||
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On April 02 2014 05:12 getmoript wrote: No I don't like your reasoning. I'm not saying you're wrong on what you've said (skimmed), but the stance: Is a super odd stance for a towny to make. It's neither stating, "I don't fucking care who mayor is and I don't fucking care about the order" OR "I super care about who the mayor is and what the order is." I've seen and played in a number of odd games and I've taken a number of unique stances about things myself, but I don't think I've ever seen a stance that's so bland about it. Like that's a really, really weird way to approach this game and I'm not liking you right now for not picking up on this specifically. No. The point is this. The order is decided by the town. The mayor is nothing but a figurehead who submits the order decided by the town to Artanis. If the order differs we policy lynch the mayor. In this case it doesn't even matter who the mayor is. Heck it might even be the top scumread + Show Spoiler + Actually that's a risky idea, but can work in specific situations. For example if the top scumread is in a group with someone we'd liked to get confirmd | ||
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On April 02 2014 07:12 gumshoe wrote: That is exceptionally optimistic of you Rayn to think well catch scum easy before day 1, but honestly if were playing it that way, day 1 should be someone whose alignment we need to know the most, not someone whose guaranteed scum, I mean if your so certain geript is mafia just put him in slot 3(so hes at least guaranteed to be killed before town loses) and have 1 and 2 reserved for people with large influence but questionable loyalties. Information lynches sounds like a horrible idea. Just because if we lynch Geript and he flips green or red, that tells us jack shit. That being said I am perfectly fine with a Geript day one lynch The most confusing thing for me is the sudden change from On April 02 2014 06:58 getmoript wrote: Know what, I'm a lock. Lynch me. Know prplhz is scum then lynch Rayn and Slam. Make me mayor and I'll set it up. Like no way Rayn is town here. It seems like Rayn caught him on some bullshit and geript decided to stick to the bullshit. To me it makes no sense for geript to promote lynching withing group 5 on anyone but prplhz as town. The easiest explanation is he wants to manufacture a town read (mafia would never commit suicide) rather than actually attempting to further the town win condition. Another thing I have a huge concern about is that prplhz is probably the easiest target to push. His filter is a mess of contradictions as many people have pointed out. And geript seems to be picking at probably the most easiest thing to find rather than making legitimate reads On April 02 2014 07:21 raynpelikonoshi wrote: I suggest we lynch Cell 4 first. Alakaslam is mafia. You can take this as a fact regardless of my & geript's alignment because we are clearly not both mafia, if one of us is mafia they are bussing because we know how the other one reads Slam and if we are both town the read is genuine either way. If there is one thing i agree with geript it's that Slam is scum. geript if you are town stop the shitlogic and find scum. Right now your cases are based on you not reading properly and bad logic as pointed out multiple times. ~rayn I have no idea what town is to gain from lynching Slam first. I admit that I can't read slam, so I'd be perfectly fine bandwagon a little off your read, however you remove me and balla from the equation quickly. If you are that confident that slam is mafia, a day 4 ( 3rd lynch) of cell 4 would be best allowing me and balla to contribute for more days. | ||
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Rayn thinks geript is mafia, Koshi thinks he isn't. Or did I mis something? WTF | ||
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On April 02 2014 07:31 prplhz wrote: like, literally getript gum lsb all completely ignoring my posts Since you asked On April 02 2014 05:03 prplhz wrote: "likes scummy balla" already addressed this. you'd rather that LYLO is a bunch of unreadables with questionable scumhunting skills? + Show Spoiler + Lets look at what my original plan would have at lylo (day 3). Cells 4, 5, 1. This consists of some of the most active players in the game, while removing inactives and people who fall off heavily past day 1. Your plan would have 2 1 5. We both agree that 1,5 have active players. However you seriously think Holyflare Tehpoofter mderg Is more readable than LSB balla24 Alakaslam ??? On April 02 2014 05:03 prplhz wrote: i never agreed that cell4 is easily readable? i'd like you to point out where i did this. + Show Spoiler + On April 02 2014 04:47 prplhz wrote: we also agreed on cell 4 first though apparently for different reasons but i don't mind that because his reasons are alright too. i'm okay with him for now. On April 02 2014 07:32 prplhz wrote: yes but he didn't, he completely ignored me and i had to ask 3 times. strikes me as scummy that he doesn't want to make his own post readable. In addition your only scum read is incredibly suspect. You bandwagon on Geript's plan sucks. And then your reason why he is scum is because he is ignoring you (and you are his major scumread) Honestly you haven't really done much in the thread The most concerning part is that prplhz and geript can't both be mafia. I'll leaning more on prplhz being town simply due to the fact that I don't think mafia would make this many mistakes, especially with the first few posts. | ||
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On April 02 2014 07:49 Alakaslam wrote: Oh I thought this was sleeper cell, this is a different type of cell. Ok. Well, my group should be up first Rayn. I know this because: 1: you can read me like a book (don't act like you can't; you have never ultimately been wrong on me in recent memory) 2: people get this 3: the other two includes Balla24, who also reccommend we go first- either very ballsy scum or (my opinion) totes town 4: so we lynch that other dude I forgot 5:profit 6: no more YouTube but this will be a loss to future readers ![[image loading]](http://bestclipartblog.com/clipart-pics/-school-bus-clipart-3.jpg) | ||
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The only way cell one makes scense to me is if Rayn thinks gumshoe is mafia, and is only claiming he thinks gumshoe is town as a bait and switch to see who would defend gumshoe If this isn't the case rayn is either being idotic, or playing pretty scummily I am begining to doubt rayn being town. Would town rayn want to get killed on day 1? I would assume he would want to live as long as possible. Steveling is buthurt about the other two members of his group being town, but I don't think he is thinking it through correctly. Someone is lying and he is gullible enough to believe them. What kind of mafia member is stupid enough to complain to the mods in the official thread that his two cellmates are town? Cell 2 Holyflare has the long filter, little content syndrome. Though that could be just holyflare People are mostly calling Mderg mafia because of who he defends, however if you truely believe that you need to lynch who he defends first. And even if they flip mafia, more likely than not mderg would be town. I don't buy the "you are defending scum so you must be scum" argument anymore Cell 3 Putting Cell 3 on the block first is a fantastic idea, Palmar and Sentinel both state that they won't be active as much after the begining of the game, and Coag really is just interested in killing slam. There are a lot of people complaining about lurkers, and this is the quickest way to get rid of three future lurkers. As for reads. I have not played with [UoN]Sentinel before but publically annoucing On April 02 2014 04:42 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Adding to the town list, I kinda did both intermittently (lurk and tunnel) in Resistance III. Although might be true, is pretty scummy in my book. Cell 4 Alakaslam On April 02 2014 11:35 Alakaslam wrote: LSB brushes me aside because he knows I am town Right now it is classy to call me scum before I say anything so Resisting the urge to do this via knowledge of the opposite, leaves my lynch open without looking like a fool before I said anything People suddenly start talking in the thread about lynching group one first. You show up out of no where and agree that group one should be lynched first. You make some shitty case without thinking it through. Suddenly you realize that you shouldn't have given a town read to the two other people in your group. This is the most obvious bus I have ever seen. Cell 5 As I have stated before, I think that Getmoript is more scummy than prplhz. However keep in mind that there is a third member of the group. Why hasn't Cephiro said anything? Is Cephira just simply inactive? Or is he lurking because he wants to see Getmoript and Prplhz destroy each other. Lynch Later I would like to see Cephiro replaced, or start talking | ||
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This is soley based on post count/content in the current game Cell 1 A - Raynpelikonoshi A - Gumshoe A - Steveling Cell 2 A Holyflare A Tehpoofter A mderg Cell 3 IL Palmar - Announced will be inactive IL Sentinel - Announced will be inactive IL Coagulation - Kushm4sta is active, but Coag can't post his seal. Cell 4 A Balla24 A LSB A Alakaslam Cell 5 A Getmoript A prplhz IL Cephiro Of which I can only identify two true lurkers, Coagulation and Cephiro. So please stop complaining about lurkers. | ||
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On April 03 2014 05:37 Coagulation wrote: lsb kush hasnt even posted yet. wtf r u talking about Forgot to edit that part of the copypaste out | ||
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