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On April 04 2014 08:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: IAMDRUNKSTERSTFU`?!"""""Q DC waht? WHAT IS UP? ~raybnnn Nvm got it, woah. | ||
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Since cell1 is day3 let's focus on the cells in line first? Anyone here? | ||
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But I'm filtering sentinel as we speak, wait some. | ||
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On April 02 2014 04:02 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Palmar is probably the player I have the hardest time reading in this game. It's going to be hard trying to figure the scum in my own cell, even. On April 02 2014 04:13 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Because lynching by coinflip is such a popular strategy on this site, right? As a member of group 3 I still like that order because I don't have to play for a long time, although Coag's not too unpredictable, kush you can usually see once you wade past all the bullshit, and Palmar... I'll think of something. On April 02 2014 04:57 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Ups and downs. D2 I'll be a very happy person. If you are in the "many other people", how does town Palmar differ from scum Palmar? In all my experience with him all I've seen is a monolith You understand sentinel that in a mafia game you have to provide reads, no matter what, no matter your alignment. Yet you take that stance towards the strongest player in your cell almost before the game even starts. Definitely scum points here, you could be trying to get in his good side and give a good excuse to sheep him if he false reads your cell. He agrees with me on an early dive on gumshoe. On April 03 2014 05:20 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: First off, gumshoe because his filter came up first: Steve dived him here which I'd like to somewhat expound on. The conversation he brings up: While going for unconfirmed scum first is fishy (and scummy), what stood out to me was gum's resistance to providing information further within the quote. This is looking like town play, just very bad town play - if I was a scum in gumshoe's position I wouldn't want to encourage rayn to make red reads on me. I'd actually be paying a lot more attention to what rayn is saying and trying to get either him or Steve into the frying pan. As town, gum can be full of hubris. As scum, it's attracting way too much attention, and someone in the QT would have shut him up. I do agree with steve that the other part of that quote is pretty scummy thinking though. He then throws a light punch at me On April 03 2014 08:32 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Why wouldn't Steve have a definite red target in his own cell? The same player that basically refused to comment on his cell is asking me why I can't make up my mind in our cell so early in the game, when even now, even after ryankoshi's modkill people are not sure of his alignment, lol. Double standards much sentinel? More scumpoints for this. Later On April 03 2014 11:17 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: A general impression from a quick skim of the 13 pages of roshi's filter: If I had to distinguish between town rayn and scum rayn, is that rayn plays scum like CNN - seemingly factual, but carefully omitting anything that doesn't support it, and shifting away the attention before anyone starts asking "why?" The case on gumshoe seems a bit myopic but legitimate, something I'd see coming from yamato more than rayn. Sure it's very detailed and sourced but it's almost to the point where rayn's letting his frustration with gum lead his argument instead of the other way around. More Fox than CNN. He says raynkoshi's gumshoe case is so good and flawless that they have to be scum? what? I like how he re-validates ryankoshi's legit points about gum but again he doesn't take a stance. Fun fact, towards neither of the two. And this was supposed to be a brief summary of his 13page filter dive on rayn, nice results sentinel, lmao. Later he conveniently takes ryankoshi's side on a silly meta argument. On April 03 2014 12:16 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I'll actually concede that one to you. Again, so flimsy, so immaterial, so neutral. Sentinel's favorite mafia tactic emerges again On April 03 2014 12:36 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Tell me what scum gum's rationale would be for blatantly ignoring rayn's criticisms when rayn is one of the most sheep-able people on this forum. More sheeping? And you base a read on gum saying that what he did was illogical because sheeping ryan would be the logical thing instead? Da faq Later on he says that my anger burst about the oath thing was fake. Even though he says that, again, he doesn't take a freaking stance. I literally haven't seen that before in any mafia games, xD. And if you think that it wasn't legit sentinel you are basically calling me a retard for doing something so silly, because it would be silly to fake it no matter my alignment. After ryan's and gum's oath thing, I had to examine why ryan did it. I made a case with the points I thought were valid. Sentinel goes to sleep and his first post opening his day is against my ryan case. He accuses me that I falsely counted my town reads and that ryan was a bigger towny than me. Two things are wrong in his syllogism, first, the semantics he explains are firmly applicable to every other mafia player and not only me. Some people had me down as neutral and not as town, that goes for ryan too though, you didn't say that in your argument. Second, my main point wasn't that I was more towny than rayn, it was that I was green enough, so that ryan would be scared of me taking gumshoe's side. You didn't address this at all. The case he made against my case(why would a towny do that, instead of providing new thoughts), was pretty big. Here I spoiler it + Show Spoiler + On April 04 2014 05:35 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I have to leave before deadline, but I'm voting for rayn. Steve's case is fundamentally flawed from the beginning: In the six posts that you call, in your words, "Everyone and their mama had me cleared as town, like most of the active players. Those who didn't read me as town read me as neutral", many arguments are either wrong or against you: Two are from gumshoe, who considers you town but at the same time has been tunneling rayn. He actually mentioned here (in the Balla quote): This isn't someone calling you town, this is someone tunneling rayn and saying that rayn is scum because from the two of you, you're the scummier one, yet he's still going after gum. Gum himself seems to have tripped over his argument - wouldn't it be a lot easier to implicate you than him, and thus more "convenient" to fight? You're labeled as green by association, because if rayn is scum as gum believes, you can't physically be scum. But again, gum's argument is flawed and not good evidence for your own. Balla actually points this out. He's accusing you of doing nothing and gumshoe being too myopic to realize that. Which is correct, or was at that point in time at least. You're scummier than rayn, which means you're either null and gum is scum in his eyes, or the other way around. The other gumshoe post of note is the one where he praises your game for being "riddled with uncertainty", which I previously said was relatively logical (i.e. he's not tunneling and you're approaching gum open-mindedly), although then I changed that to scummy because you didn't have a good stance and it was even evidenced in your read of rayn as town and gum as slightly town. mderg finds you neutral - your dive of gumshoe might be towny according to him, but that would indicate the rest of your play is a little lacking, no? I had a slight red read on you. I still do, and between schoolwork and essays I'll see how your more recent activity changes that. I thought it was implied in "one sketchy motherfucker", but alas. tehpoofter finds you neutral. I'm going to have to re-examine some of his words, I believe that conversation we had was unfinished and unresolved. So in total, we have one mostly green read (gum), two neutrals (poofter and mderg, and balla), and one red read (sentinel). Rayn's own town read, like gum's was association due to tunneling at that point. I'm a bit late with this but I haven't had an opportunity (as in, time) to examine Steve and get my thoughts on about how he went from a green read on rayn to a red read. I think it's completely contrived and really makes me doubt a lot of the other stuff he's been building onto that case. If you had the patience to read the end you would know that once again, sentinel didn't call anyone out. I'm a bit late with this but I haven't had an opportunity (as in, time) to examine Steve and get my thoughts on about how he went from a green read on rayn to a red read. I think it's completely contrived and really makes me doubt a lot of the other stuff he's been building onto that case. He just laid some facts down for us, how thoughtful of him. Finally, he accuses his first player as scum. On April 04 2014 06:26 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: @Steve Afk. Making up a few essays I missed due to a business conference last week. That whole post I made wasn't saying you're scum because of semantics/tunnel. This is what I was saying: - Your argument on rayn is flawed, X Y and Z are the specific flaws - Your judgment of rayn's actions is wrong because you're drawing from a point in the game where gum and rayn weren't thinking clearly You're scum because: - You spent a while tunneling rayn based on a flawed argument which I perceive as contrived - Up until your prplhz argument was finally pushed out, you spent the time between your first red case on rayn and your case on prplhz tunneling rayn and not looking for other scum or any other discussion. It's not that you tunneled, it's that you tunneled badly, and unlike gum it's a lot harder to find the markings of bad town play. After he had some sweet scouting time, to see if I'd be everyone's favorite victim he decided that yes, I'm good enough to blame without him taking heat for it. He hasn't said anything about scum before, he just straight up jumps on an accusation. His accusation is arguably against the easiest target in the game by that point, me. Then there's something very weird, I thought upon reading it that I accidentally skipped some posts but no. He votes for ##coagulation without explaining why. Sentinel&page=3]page3 on his filter, pls see for yourselves. He hasn't mentioned coag literally not even once in his filter, besides his early post "buhu, my cell is so unreadable, poor me". Note that he does that only after other people paint coag red, like gumshoe and slam. Aaand that's all. I won't yet yell he's the scum in there, simply because I haven't yet filtered palmar and coag. But his play is ultra super scummy. | ||
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On April 04 2014 20:31 Coagulation wrote: BTW stevo's last post. That is a scum post. That is how scum make long posts. Summarizing his filter in a pejorative light without doing any deep analysis. Then how would you describe your filter coag, lol. If you say my dive on him is not deep analysis, then by these standards you have done absolutely nothing in this game so far. Am I right? | ||
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Anyway, I'll examine palmar and coag next. | ||
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On April 04 2014 20:43 Coagulation wrote: Sentinel looks scummy as town. Palmar is trying to be a town hero. How do you come to these conclusions man? You may be right, I haven't examined palmar yet but you said yourself in the previous post that you haven't filtered sentinel. How do you say that he looks scummy as town and if you believe that what are the reasons for it? Am I wrong believing in logical conclusions? | ||
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On April 04 2014 20:57 Coagulation wrote: steveling, Sentinel is scummy as town. Pure meta. Haven't read a single post of his. I mean what's the point of even playing mafia games if you play like you do. | ||
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Sry if I offended you. But you now do have the time to start playing properly, yes? So, stop making claims based solely on meta and provide your own analysis' since you said that mine was shallow, yes? | ||
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He starts by saying how dumb this early phase is in multiple posts. Yet he has 9 pages so far, lol. Don't blame him for that with all that happened but this is a point to consider. This was one of this first posts On April 02 2014 09:45 Palmar wrote: I honestly don't think the order has any impact on the game at all. But I'm fine with being first. I like how now that raynkoshi ninjaswapped palmar's cell order he didn't bat an eye. A scum would likely throw a tantrum on rayn for doing that. Town points for this consistency. So much fluff it hurts my brain. Some slight accusations on a couple people, nothing of substance. Oh right, then there's this dialog between him and HF about mderg's meta. Actually palmar was right on this one. HF jumped on mderg's for a bad reason. Not posting quotes for this, since the convo is broke, so here's a link. Complains how poofter "keeps all options open" but so far he's doing the same, lol. Got a nice find On April 02 2014 22:56 Palmar wrote: This is really bad. The reason I think you're mafia is the same reason I think Rayn is town, and your alignments are mutually exclusive unless Steve is mafia. So if I agree with a rayn point on you, that automatically makes me think rayn is town because you can't both be mafia. So, under the recent turn of events what do you think now Palmar? Do you think raynkoshi were scum? Does that affect your view on getript? Palmar on ryankoshi's case On April 02 2014 23:07 Palmar wrote: Also rayn's case is solid, I'm sheeping the fuck out of that ???? Again, under the recent turn of events what do you think Palmar? Fluff and neutral stuff for 2 pages. Then the oath incident kicks in. On April 03 2014 02:30 Palmar wrote: Please don't do it Steveling. It's entirely possible swearing on your life breaks either the townie seal rule (the townie seal is basically a promise you're town) or the no bets rule (big stakes, your life  )So yeah. He was one of the few to admit that it might be cheating. No town/scum points for that but I award you with cool points. On April 03 2014 02:39 Palmar wrote: No, not really. But there is and has always been a chance he's insane and town. I've mentioned it a few times. Tbh now I kinda just wanna lynch gumshoe for being an asshole regardless of alignment. Scum points for this. More fluff. He seems convinced raynkoshi are town. Over the next couple pages he's not rly sure which of me or gumshoe is scum. Then there's that Out of the blue. Then for 2 pages again goes between me and gumshoe. On April 04 2014 08:57 Palmar wrote: ##Vote Coag I'm not going to wifom myself into thinking you really don't give a shit as town. That's also out of the blue, can't blame him since coag was semi-afk and rly not giving a crap but I don't like it. Nvm, my previous questions, upon ending his filter he says that he still sees Raynkoshi as town after all that. And here is the last significant thing On April 04 2014 23:47 Palmar wrote: well stones, glass houses. But I actually agree with you, Holyflare is likely to be mafia. His meta/do nothing read on mderg was incredibly lazy. And even if he later said the meta part was not that important, when he was pushing the case he was asking people to go back and read that other game. Then when mderg actually came in and contributed HF didn't really bat an eye, or reconsider his position. I think he agrees with coag rather easily? Also he defended multiple people against accusations he thought unjustified before but he finds this very logical rly fast. This is a meta judgment on HF so I don't really have an opinion but I find it weird. Palmar has a lot of useless fluff and not a single real case against anyone. Scumpoints by me given how much more we expect from him. | ||
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Anyway, stick to the points pls and argue if you want. Also don't rustle your jimmies, to my eyes you look like a white angel compared to sentinel and I haven't even touch on coag yet. | ||
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Just everyone, try to argue with each other don't blindly jump on conclusions. | ||
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I'll apologise if I did. Gumshoe hi, speak pls, we need more opinions. | ||
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On April 05 2014 00:47 Palmar wrote: I don't care whether or not you want to vote me, I care that your case is fundamentally wrong, and I want to know why it's wrong. How can you say me calling HF is out of the blue, or that I agree fast with Coag, when half of your case is dedicated to talking about how I've been suspicious of HF throughout the game, all the way since his meta stuff which you even say is correct, which implies you actualy read it. Like I can understand not reading the game, but did you even read your own case? Oh I see what you mean. You mean that it was obvious from your convo that you thought HF's play as scummy and that you reached a logical conclusion. Well, it seemed out of the blue to me because I think HF was right in that case and I was like "wtf, why is palmar calling him scum". | ||
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On April 05 2014 02:21 prplhz wrote: no of course rayn isn't anything because of a drunk ragequit in the middle of the night, except probably mad i have no idea why people believe his scumclaim but not anything else he said Personally, I think rayn made some damn good points but only when he wanted. The oath thing and the drunk thing can't really be taken as protown play. No matter how you see it. Gumshoe again is making stuff up as you said. If you read mine and gumshoes filter you will notice gumshoe made stuff again yesterday when he jumped on me, multiple people pointed that out. He's doing the same thing now. Both cases have something in common, he jumps, making stuff up, on the easiest at the time victim, me yesterday, palmar now. I made my view on palmar earlier, I'm not claiming his green, I'm saying gumshoe acts suspiciously all game long. But I still haven't dived coag, I need to do that asap. | ||
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Also AMA, I won't hide or run. | ||
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