What, that was the main point of my post.
Did you even read it, here I'm quoting again.
On April 03 2014 18:57 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 01:36 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
gumshoe you are a cheap player.
I hope you are only cheap and not a cheap fucker who does not deserve any single bit of respect.
We lynch Steveling from our group.
~rayn But what happened here? Wasn't raynkoshi all over gumshoe? Didn't they have a clear town read on me? The following is what happened I kid you not. Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 01:43 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 03 2014 01:34 gumshoe wrote:On April 03 2014 01:24 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 03 2014 01:22 gumshoe wrote:On April 03 2014 01:17 Steveling wrote:
Gum, when I started being active today first thing I did was filter you and raynkoshi.
You can check my post on them, frankly I didn't find a single anti town thing.
My view on them hasn't changed since then as well, their case on you was solid.
Anyway, we should get some heat from other cells as well, guys?
Promote discussion pls. I adressed that case here 2: I apologize for that point ) : Honestly I was overthinking it, if we had CONFIRMED scum why lynch them then and there? I thought, towns are notorious for bieng lazy later on so I thought it no problem to just leave them till the last minute, they might even slip / :. That said, Rayn has twisted that whole conversation in 2 ways.
1: It stemmed from Geript doing Geript things, Rayn said he was confirmed maf which he doesn't even bilieve anymore
2: I meant in the case that we have 100 percent confirmed scum, which we will never have obs / : so yeah we should lynch the scummiest people first, I will concede that. But how does any of that make me scum? Why take on such a hard position.
Point 3: Contradicting myself. I'm not the best player man T_T Rayn pretty much is, if I make mistakes I'm sorry, I know it dont make your job easier none. The meta argument is so clear to me, but I guess I cant blame others for not seeing it / : and the whole me bieng a hypocrite for not considering you scum too is bull because I did consider you ) : and it was Rayn who dragged me into that fight.
But honestly forget all that man, listen to the thread, not one person this game has defended or backed me up / : (except you) am I really that gone? Is scum really that meek? I know that seems like shit logic, but it's just common sense really.
I dont play my heart out like this when I'm scum guys T_T but theres only so much I can do when I'm bieng attacked from every single angle.
What makes you think you would find something overtly scummy in his play? Best way to catch scum Rayn is to notice how bloodthirsty he is and this game his jaws are just dripping. Hmm. Nha. rayn is pretty all over the place as town. More so than scum. Your own activity just makes him spend way more posts on you than "needed". Also rayn has provided multiple scumreads and townreads. With reasoning that go further than "all scummers are after me, the scumteam is superactive" Scummers are active bro, that be a fact of life. We are not scum. We are not. Now let me tell you some harsh truth in case you are town. And I am only typing this because you swore on your life Besides the question of why I strongly believe it's cheating and got mad about it. There's only one question here, why did they do that? I couldn't think of anything until I read multiple posts while filtering regarding the reason that scumryankoshi did what they did and it dawned on me.Here are some tidbits Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 07:04 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
To me it looks like Steve doesn't have a concrete scumread, only a strong townread and a neutral read that has to be scum due to process of elimination. Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 01:03 mderg wrote:On April 03 2014 00:51 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
mderg,
Could you provide some reads? You entered the thread with a very generic statement. how do you read:
raynpelikonoshi
gumshoe
Steveling Steveling - neutral It seems towny to me that he was unsure about gumshoe when filtering his posts(why would scum be unsure). Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 22:28 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 18:15 Steveling wrote:I'm now filtering gumshoe, will be posting one liners as I'm reading through it. Hahahaha, gum <3333, that short description of me you made, haha, that's the gum I remember. Gum immediately gets some town points because he asks for his cellmate for thoughts on me, not random people. I explained my reasoning in my previous post. Ummm, gum defending getript, is weird. I will have to filter getript as well to form a better opinion. Btw I think it's weird not as a scam-defends-scam thing but because getript wasn't making much sense at first glance and I recall gum from our game together as a good player, albeit with some suicidal weird plans but good overall. -town points for that but I will have to check getript as well later. I don't like how he blindly agrees with palmar on mayor'ing him. Pls vote people by their activity and quality of posts not by their reputation. Hmm, gum gets some scam points for the following bit On April 02 2014 09:34 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 09:21 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 02 2014 09:14 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 09:03 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 02 2014 08:56 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 08:54 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Why didn't you say so in the first place when i gave my answer and asked the same question?
~rayn Because there's a 50 percent chance your scum therefore I owe you no favours, and I didn't catch anything worth bringing up at that moment. So instead of answering me you decided to lie because "you don't owe me anything"? Do you realize i am supposed to have a read on you in this game and it's not looking quite townie atm. ~rayn "Mafia is about finding scum, period" your words not mine, why should I care about your read on me until I know what you are? You opinion is literally a coin flip away from worthless to me. If you can't read me, that's not my fault, I am playing the game as I see fit, your bieng shit at reads doesn't factor in to my play. So your honest opinion is that you don't need to give away your alignment to anyone but everyone needs to do so to you? Also another question. We have 2 imaginary groups X and Y. In group X there is confimed mafia. In group Y there are 3 people who are all really hard to read. Which of the following scenarios in your opinion results more likely in 2 scumlynches: 1) Lynch the confirmed scum in group X, and have 96 hours to figure out the mafia in group Y, or 2) Figure out the mafia in group Y in 48 hours, then lynch the confirmed scum in group X ? As for your question, 2' because confirmed scum isn't going anywhere. They can be literally killed at any time and I rather lynch question marks while everyone is still invested in the game. I have taken on this mind set strictly because the setup holds no surprises. If I'm scum, why would I champion something like that if my buddy gets lynched by day3 anyways? What do I gain aside from towns ire? Open the quote to read rayns question. Srsly gum, wtf, you shouldn't be making that kind of mistake. You basically proposed to scumhunt and coin flip the first day lynch so IF we get lucky we end up with 2 semi-confirmed scum instead of taking sowing what's ripe in day1. Alright gum about that big meta post you did on rayn. Honestly I think it's bad, you claim he accuses you of scumplay and you quote 3 previous games to prove that somehow the meta works for you? You say that "ey guys, I lied there to scumbait, rayn was falsely accusing me, so I'm doing the same thing here", can't you understand how wrong this is? Rayn has every reason in the world to accuse you in both games. Anyway, I remember that was your playstyle as well in our game together so I won't award you with scumpoints for this but if you keep at it, you are getting on my scumlist, period. You end up this post with Ill end with the most damning bit of all, Rayn whole heartedly believes I am scum for false lackluster reasons, despite the fact that Steveling has yet to open his mouth. Thats because hes just accusing whoevers convinient for him, not trying to seriously consider whose scum. Again flawed logic, wouldn't I be the easy target here and not you, a player with 4 pages of filter already? I like your comment on mderg On April 02 2014 13:13 gumshoe wrote:Fun fact, Steve coag and Ceph have not yet started playing really, leaving them out, six people (myself included )  have openly attacked mderg. Geript I'm fairly confident that mderg is the scum in Cell 2. I'm probably going to talk with g more and see what we can dig up from this one, because I'm actually kind of afraid to townread HF after the stunt he pulled in Cultured (which was fucking awesome, btw). Tehpoofter Makes me think Mderg scummy Sentinal town Holy Mderg is mafia in my group btw, that's an easy one. Rayn I noticed this too. I asked Koshi what does he think of this mderg guy and he said it seemed strage how he came in straight up defending the one dude in our group. Too crazy that he instant defended a scumbuddy out of nowhere so if mderg guy ends up being scum gumshoe can die in a fire.
It all fits! Gumshoe Whats your relation to Steveling, whats your general impression of his play and why did you feel the need to answer a question intended for someone else. Do you think Rayn is scum? Balla
We can talk about plenty. How mderg's posts so far have been useless and scummy maybe?
Mderg is a lurky/noobish player, bad play coming out of him deserves due consideration. 50 percent of this games active players (I am not counting lurkers) find this guy scummy in a game where a third of us are scum. Yeah... lynching this guy is not getting us a red flip. I believe there are some scum in this list you made gum. My personal opinion on mderg is that the only town read he has going for himself is when he defended me. He must have seen me posting in the football thread and he just said what he reasoned out. He's inactive or posting fluff, so I'm leaning towards scum for him but the bus'ing against him and the fact he's new made me think otherwise. All in all I'm pretty confused with gum, I'm leaning neutral on him atm, can't make my mind. I love this post BECAUSE it's riddled with uncertainty, this game is filled with people who have perfect reads (cause scum) it's a breath of fresh air to see someone who legit not sure of whose scum in his cell. If steve was scum, he could easily attack me or Rayn, and the way were going at it the non pick might just support his choice whole heartedly. Unfortunately for scum, steve is not just truing to survive his cell, dude be figuring shit out ( : good genuine effort in this post and a stance I feel is most likely town. Steve is cool. Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 13:15 Balla24 wrote:On April 02 2014 13:00 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 12:50 Balla24 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 02 2014 12:36 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 12:22 Balla24 wrote:Gumshoe that case is all over the place :/ it's hard to follow (what alignments was rayn in these quotes?) but on the ending: On April 02 2014 12:13 gumshoe wrote:
Ill end with the most damning bit of all, Rayn whole heartedly believes I am scum for false lackluster reasons, despite the fact that Steveling has yet to open his mouth. Thats because hes just accusing whoevers convinient for him, not trying to seriously consider whose scum. On paper I have a 50 percent chance of bieng scum to him, as he does to me, compare the two of our attempts at reading each other and see whose actually trying to figure out the others alignment and whose considering the possibility that Steveling might be the actual scummer. In both cases, that person is me, I am town, Rayn is 90 percent scum and steveling is 10 percent scum. The end. How can you say this is the most damning bit of all yet you literally just did the same thing and went 90% scum on rayn when Steveling has still "yet to open his mouth"? Show nested quote +Steveling plays alot of video games, he lives in greece(athens, its 11:57 over there at the time of this post) and has been known to post/stay up/game late. He also likes quality literature and is invested in public conflict (like the syrian civil war). Which gives me the sense he is excited to play mafia overall and I find he can be quite active at the start of games (have not played with him in some time but thats my old impression). Seems interesting that he feels the need to recalibrate instead when this is really the best time to jump on the game, I mean theres only like 6 pages so far, perhaps he wants to tread lightly?
Rayn watcha think? I used this to bait Rayn, but the fact that this exists means I thought out what his early lack of commitment might mean. Show nested quote +You and Rayn are firing off in every direction, trusting in your scum hunting skills to avail you I suppose, I on the other hand am pretty much zerod in on you because you are 50 percent scum XD so yeah, I can see why you might say that. Show nested quote +Because there's a 50 percent chance your scum therefore I owe you no favours, and I didn't catch anything worth bringing up at that moment. Rayn pressed me into fighting him when I had nothing concrete to call him scum, I tried baiting him and my results were inconclusive so I back off until he pressed me into fighting with him and revealed his true self, also I clearly say repeatedly hes 50 50, therefore worthy of suspicion, but not 100 percent how does any of that reflect the mindset of someone completely set on scum Rayn from the start? . Compare that to this. Show nested quote +So instead of answering me you decided to lie because "you don't owe me anything"?
Do you realize i am supposed to have a read on you in this game and it's not looking quite townie atm.
Show nested quote +Here i present you our first......
Confirmed scumscumscumscumscum!!!!
ezpz
~rayn Like, read the fucking thread before you post Balla. I think another key thing is Rayn doesnt once include sheer probability as a factor in his suspicion of me (like I do constantly, similar to a drowning man clinging to a raft) he presents his scum reads as if their derived from sheer skill and analysis, because probability doesnt factor into Rayn's convictions, he knows who town is and his reads will just continue to build up solely because he wills them to. On April 02 2014 12:36 gumshoe wrote:
Like, read the fucking thread before you post Balla.
I think another key thing is Rayn doesnt once include sheer probability as a factor in his suspicion of me (like I do constantly, similar to a drowning man clinging to a raft) he presents his scum reads as if their derived from sheer skill and analysis, because probability doesnt factor into Rayn's convictions, he knows who town is and his reads will just continue to build up solely because he wills them to. What are you on about? None of that has anything to do with the contradiction you are displaying. You are calling rayn scum for being confident about his scum read on you even though Steveling has yet to contribute. Yet you are going HAM on rayn, even though steveling has still yet to contribute. It has nothing to do with you attempting to bait rayn. What I want to know is, how can you call rayn scummy for that and say it's the "most damning bit of all" even though you are doing the exact same thing. I backed off of Rayn after the fake case cause his response was fine, but Rayn came back for me and I explained why I lied. He then started hammering me as if he knew I was scum, whereas I was never certain of his alignment, only reasonably suspicious. He has always been far more suspect of me than I of him, I was just trying to read the guy whose in my group. Instead of talking shit Balla, show me proof that I was certain of Rayn's guilt before he was certain of mine and that I was more vocal about it. The order of operations doesn't matter. Steveling has still done nothing, yet you are certain Rayn is mafia, and you call rayn scummy for being certain of you being mafia even though Steveling has done nothing. On April 02 2014 12:13 gumshoe wrote:
Ill end with the most damning bit of all, Rayn whole heartedly believes I am scum for false lackluster reasons, despite the fact that Steveling has yet to open his mouth. Thats because hes just accusing whoevers convinient for him, not trying to seriously consider whose scum. On paper I have a 50 percent chance of bieng scum to him, as he does to me, compare the two of our attempts at reading each other and see whose actually trying to figure out the others alignment and whose considering the possibility that Steveling might be the actual scummer. In both cases, that person is me, I am town, Rayn is 90 percent scum and steveling is 10 percent scum. The end. Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 12:19 Tehpoofter wrote:
So I'm really glad that I just read through 20 pages of gum/rayn fighting. Going into it I had a town read on rayn scum on gum and null on steve. Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 00:59 gumshoe wrote:
Rayn, we agree steve is town, can we agree to vote him mayor? To which ryankoshi answers, Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 01:01 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 03 2014 00:59 gumshoe wrote:
Rayn, we agree steve is town, can we agree to vote him mayor? I don't see the point. -Koshi- Ofc, you don't scum, ). Anyway, they also have a town read on me. And finally here is what pieced it all together for me Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 19:14 Palmar wrote:On April 02 2014 19:11 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 02 2014 19:05 Palmar wrote:On April 02 2014 19:04 Steveling wrote:
Can't argue with that.
Anyway, what about you rayn, you made a bold statement accusing gum, you still think the same?
And what do you think about me? I tentatively think rayn is town. He's a bit too angry for my liking but his point on gumshoe looked really town to me. I thought you might be scum then I realized you're in group with gumshoe who I also think is scum, so now I'm just confused. Steve his filterdive of gumshoe touches a lot of points I didn't like about gumshoe. Like the strange defense of gum to geript. If we take into account Steve didn't yet filter my hydra makes me feel good about him. I don't really know what to make out of the fact Steve is not taking an harder stance on gumshoe scum but I think he is just waiting a return from gumshoe to make a "final" verdict. Anyway. My group is going to get figured out Quite certain of it. Does it not bother you at all that Steve's approach seems to be "Keep all my options open"? Palmar aks ryankoshi about my opinion on both ryankoshi and gumshoe.
Yes, as a matter of fact they do mind, not as town but as scum. They do care that I have not yet sided completely with them.
They do mind that there is a slight chance of me turning against them and siding with gum and they want none of this.
Everyone and their mama had me cleared as town, like most of the active players. Those who didn't read me as town read me as neutral and ryankoshi were crapping their pants because I wasn't that aggressive against gum.
So, they had to go back to gum's and mine filters to try and find the tinniest, silliest, most illogical thread of garbage excuse to try and do a 180 on gum and turn on me.
And they did exactly that, the oath excuse. (facepalm)
This is what they answered, when I asked what if I did the same then, what if I also swore on town? Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 02:31 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 03 2014 02:23 Steveling wrote:
And one last thing, ryankoshi, you didn't respond to that, what if I also swear I'm town? rayn will stop caring about our lynch. Koshi will lynch gumshoe. people will be mad after the game. This is their argument, the whole of it. Here's my fav quote of them in this game so far Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 05:09 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Yeah Steveling is mafia. I can use every reason to call people town if i am mafia. I can use every reason to call people town if i am town. There is nothing wrong with that. I can vote for who the fuck i want as either alignment.
~rayn Who needs logic right? Anyway, I also find it weird he's so up against getript. Getript didn't really make much sense in the first few hours but ryankoshi treats him like hitler with no solid points against him. On the other hand they had some solid points against gumshoe but we know what it takes to flip their mind, )). Getript has him in his scum list, ryankoshi feel compelled to strike back because they are scum, simple as that. As for the mayor part, I wouldn't vote for getript because of his early game, even though the fact he's against ryankoshi makes me like him. I'd say holyflare would be my n1 choice for mayor atm. Palmar is just too inactive. Oh and gumshoe, don't make the same mistake I did with you, don't respond to their guile 180 turn away from you. Instead, trust logic Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 22:06 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 21:23 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 02 2014 21:20 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 16:59 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 02 2014 12:13 gumshoe wrote:+ Show Spoiler +This is a few choice qoutes from Rayn's play in witchcraft 2, where he orchestrated a mislynch on me day 1. Looking the playerlist you are the guy i can work with the best.
I can't read OO for shit.
I hope Cephiro does not do dumb stuff like he did in Hogwarts.
Lurk Sylencia = lynch, otherwise idk
Sn0dude played really well in Hogwarts, i except that from him here aswell.
gumshoe ....
thrawn i misread on Desert until he actually started making sense, hope he does that too here
Umasi was good in some game as town i think? Says nothing = lynch
Onegu is tricky, damn he was tricky in Hogwarts. A guy to read closely.
ET is town or scum at last N1, based purely on Hogwarts.
hzflank i can read.
Vanesco noob, no idea. contribute or die.
and yeah, that's it. After second reading gumshoe's big post was really bad and could have been all said in 10 words. Apparently that was a fake post too.. I am also trying to be not pissed off with gumshoe but it's really hard.. Probably someone from gumshoe/Umasi/Onegu depending on what happens tomorrow. thrawn stared making sense. ##Vote: gumshoe
just because i do not like anything he has said this game. bh no, i do not remember his play from Basterd. I remember he claimed on N1 but i don't even remember why.
After that he has been modkilled for inactivity or soht because i accidently outed him as blue (in a game i somehow thought everyone was blue) while he did pretty much nothing. 50% of my case on him is that i want him to actually say something uselful and 50% is that what he has said is either faked for no reason or useless contributions or something that makes no sense to me. Pretty harsh on me in general, take a good look at that last qoute, notice how Rayn believes my meta works against me there? Next Compare all those lines to these ones that make up Rayn's current stance on me. I read bla bla bla can't tell if true or false because impossilble to know if he went to sleep or not.
I dunno, why should i think something?
getmoript is mafia agreed or not?
~rayn I am trying so hard to think about this post and what the fuck is the point of all this.
gumshoe what's the point of all this?
On April 02 2014 06:22 gumshoe wrote:
I'm just curios if you had thoughts on steve, or any history with him I should know of / :
I don't believe this. I don't believe this for one second.
~rayn This next bit is one exchange between us. Show nested quote +Holy is probably the best scum I know of. Thats about it for the players I know of Show nested quote +So i went to see if Holyflare is hard to read for gumshoe. Turns out he had a pretty clear read on him in World Heavyweight mafia game
That last quote here also has my meta working against me and in general theres an overall tone of disdain once again in Rayn's voice, just like in Witchcraft, another funny thing is that I actually lied in witchcraft as well to try and bait scum, just like I did this game. Rayn knows exactly what I'm capable of and how to exploit that and of course he hammers me for it in this game just like hes done before. Witch gumshoe's contributions in Basterd have a clear point, are transparent and every time they reach to a hard conclusion. None of those things happen in this game and half of his filter anyways is useless because it's about fake case that either serves no purpose if he is town or he just fucked up and is making stuff up if he is scum. Cell So instead of answering me you decided to lie because "you don't owe me anything"?
Do you realize i am supposed to have a read on you in this game and it's not looking quite townie atm. Next up, look at this recent game where were both town for comparison. gumshoe i am interested. Do you think Palmar is mafia? see gumshoe here is my problem. I am a player who asks questions, obviously. When i ask questions, assuming i am not questioning something i do not understand, there are expected answers:
1) scummy type of answer, or townie type of answer, or both
2) answer i did not expect which leads to further investigation
Now i don't always expect people to understand why i do ask questions i do in the first place. That would defeat the purpose of my play in total. If you can tell what my question is going to achieve you know (as mafia) how you should be answering it. Right?
So, my question to you is:
I don't understand why do you assume Palmar should assume what i am thinking and why i ask what i do. How do you suggest town!Palmar should read me if he is not "allowed" to figure out my motives behind my posts? Or do you think it's reasonable to assume Palmar should have realized what i was after? Did you know what i expected town!gumshoe to answer when i asked you my question? I think the confusing part here is that gumshoe assumes/says Palmar thought i was scummy for my question and therefore questioned me. Not that Palmar was trying to get a read on me. gumshoe how do you ended up to this conclusion in the first place? Anyways that smiley makes me see red every time i see it, except for when gumshoe does it. Just because gumshoe is so adorable. I have been really really sure since i started telling him why i thought his case on Palmar was dumb and started explaining him what Palmar meant with his posts. Take note of the last quote, he thinks I'm town here because of dumb stubborn play, whats different this game Rayn? Also the tone, while still inquisitive, is much lighter than that of the excerpts from the first two sets listed. Scum like sure things, Rayn has had success beating me straight up before, he feels confident he can do it again. A good example of this kind of behaviour in scum is how Suki went after cav in cultured the same way she did in the first newbie game they played together. The prefer to tackle targets who they can beat, thats why from the get go Rayn has been spinning everything I say as scummy, watch how he twists what I say and do over and over again. HE WANTS TO FUCKING LYNCH TOWNIES!! SERIOUSLY GUMSHOE????
Here he attacks me for defending "confirmed scum" geript, of course Geript is not 100 percent scum and Rayn admits as much himself later on here, but that didnt stop him from using a shitty read to attack me via association. Heres another Because there's a 50 percent chance your scum therefore I owe you no favours, and I didn't catch anything worth bringing up at that moment. Show nested quote +So instead of answering me you decided to lie because "you don't owe me anything"? What I mean here is that I suspect hes scum, therefore why do I need to tell him anything that would worsen my odds of catching him. Of course he zeros in on the "you dont owe me anything" part because thats what his agenda calls for, he will tear apart all my statements and alter to them just to make me look bad. Heres another example of Rayns twister skills. gumshoe which players from the playerlist would you consider unreadable? After I answer him honestly, Rayn comes back with this. So i went to see if Holyflare is hard to read for gumshoe. Turns out he had a pretty clear read on him in World Heavyweight mafia game (where he was town) half past D1. I also found this: Cause I'm not there yet : P and I disagree, bieng readable is a big part of bieng town, if you make your self unreadable you can't be trusted. I'm not going to argue with you about this because it's retarded to think otherwise. To adress the bolded first, he completley disregards cultured mafia, the game where Holy bussed his team and completley blind sided me/town, I had this much to say to Holy afterwards cant bilieve you massacred your team like that, dont listen to what anyone says (not that you would) that takes 3 testicles and no heart, wp sir. At the end of day I was willing to lynch every other person in the game (myself included probally) before you, and that sentiment carried through all the way to lylo. Hope we can play more games like this in the future ( : Of course, Rayn pretends this game never happens because it doesn't fit his narrative, and thats what hes doing guys, hes crafting a narrative, telling us all a bedtime story so he can slit our throats and steal our shit while we sleep. As for his point about me contradicting myself, first of all let me ask you, does inconsistency a scum make? No, motive and/or a lack of effort do and my actions suggest neither (I have contributed since games start and made suggestions that scum would pale at the mere thought of uttering). That said, hes twisting the truth here yet again. "Mafia is about finding scum, period" your words not mine, why should I care about your read on me until I know what you are? You opinion is literally a coin flip away from worthless to me. If you can't read me, that's not my fault, I am playing the game as I see fit, your bieng shit at reads doesn't factor in to my play. I care what town thinks of me and I'm trying to prove my alignment through contribution, I do not however give a shit what my top scum read thinks and I will lie all day to him until he flips red or reasonably proves himself to be green. He twists this into me not caring about what town thinks as a whole, when in reality anyone who actually reads what I'm saying for themselves can pretty much tell that my words are directed at Rayn and Rayn alone. Ill end with the most damning bit of all, Rayn whole heartedly believes I am scum for false lackluster reasons, despite the fact that Steveling has yet to open his mouth. Thats because hes just accusing whoevers convinient for him, not trying to seriously consider whose scum. On paper I have a 50 percent chance of bieng scum to him, as he does to me, compare the two of our attempts at reading each other and see whose actually trying to figure out the others alignment and whose considering the possibility that Steveling might be the actual scummer. In both cases, that person is me, I am town, Rayn is 90 percent scum and steveling is 10 percent scum. The end. gumshoe: "The most daming thing is that rayn thinks I am scum while Steveling has yet to open his mouth, rayn and I should be 50/50 to each other, him pushing me as scum is scummy. But my conclusion is that rayn is 90% scum." -ok then gumshoe- I have considered that steve is scum at every point in this game, just because I made a play to try to read you early on doesn't mean I was 100 percent sure your scum out of the gates. In fact I backed off after your answer because it was fine. You came back after me because you were so sure my lie made me scum, even though you know I bait as town. I was just figuring out your alignment, like you should be doing instead of blindly considering me scum before Steve talks. Go ahead and call me a hypocrite but I have expressed fear that he might be scum throughout every point of this game, even at the time of my big post I said you were 90 percent, not 100. Also I love how your team keeps poking away at this one bit because you can't deny your playing exactly the same as witchcraft. How is this game different Rayn? How are you scum reading me here for the same play you'd town read me in any other game? How does a mderg, gumshoe scum team fit? Do you honestly think mderg is scum when half the active players called him red? Even though we know he's capable of shit play and getting jumped for it? Also have you rescinded you ez pz scum read on me? Because right now I'm fairly certain your scum, but no I'm not completely sure and have never been, because I'm town. Show me evidence instead of generically calling me a hypocrite, you will not find anything as damning as "ezpz confirmed scum" your point is mute rayn / : what bullshit do you offer next? Also gonna say this, Mderg is 100 percent town, I don't like the other people in his group, his play is in line with what I imagine of him as town and theres been too much gleeful drive on him. Even if I'm scum, he's town, consider his alignment a gift regardless of mine. fairly certain I am scum. Why? Explain pls. In witch, everything your scum reads said reaffirmed your biases, it's the same here. In that game, you found my fake post was scummy just like here In that game, you thought my meta worked against me just like here, In that game, everything I said convinced you that I was more scum. That, and your so certain even before steve talks. I have been in this situation before Rayn / : the similarity is uncanny. I'm sorry I used logic in this, fuck me right?
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