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Valenius
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1266 Posts
March 28 2014 09:54 GMT
#534
Have a look through sqrt's filter. People, give me your opinions of it. You know where I stand; try and convince me im wrong.
Valenius
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1266 Posts
March 28 2014 12:43 GMT
#542
"Night everyone"

Its the end if the day, transitioning into night. I didnt go to sleep.

What the fuck have you been smoking.
Valenius
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1266 Posts
March 28 2014 14:33 GMT
#546
Not now though, that'd be rather stupid.
Valenius
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1266 Posts
March 28 2014 15:24 GMT
#548
Think it through, if im here tomorrow ill explain it more thoroughly (from my perspective). Dont think of it as witholding information, just delaying it.
Valenius
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1266 Posts
March 28 2014 16:07 GMT
#551
Seeing as were habing this discussiin apparently..

Im fine with posting reads etc in the night phase, as long as they're shortly before deadline.
Valenius
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1266 Posts
March 28 2014 16:30 GMT
#558
I was in that game, and cant remember jack shit from the postgame. I was just relieved we had won. It being posted and it being noticed are different things.
Valenius
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1266 Posts
March 28 2014 21:59 GMT
#572
I think I'm pretty clear on my suspects; They haven't changed. Pixalated/Sqrt scum team could make sense.
Valenius
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1266 Posts
March 28 2014 22:01 GMT
#575
Amiko, gtfo with your popcorn.
Valenius
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1266 Posts
March 28 2014 22:06 GMT
#576
So.

Sqrt: Why have you been playing like you have? You've been very unhelpful with.. anything.

Pixalated: You've sheeped onto OnceKing's case on me, and when OnceKing looked at his own case he realised it was shit. Did you truly believe in his case? Why?

OnceKing: I'm still confused as to how you thought your case was good in the first place. You've looked over me again and realised i wasn't saying wrong stuff about sqrt.. what was with your original case?
Valenius
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1266 Posts
March 28 2014 22:14 GMT
#577
Roland: You haven't been here for a while. How's it going?

You've been a BIG defender of OnceKing so far. Are you trying to assess what he's saying from a scum perspective? It seems from reading your filter that you're very pleased with him.
Valenius
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1266 Posts
March 28 2014 22:16 GMT
#578
Tolkien: Last game you came back from a horrendous day 1, and provided some really good reads, leading to you getting lynched going into lylo. Do you think you'll be able to help out as much in this day 2? What are your reads?
Valenius
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1266 Posts
March 28 2014 22:55 GMT
#579
Is anyone else around? I presume people would have been watching to see who got killed..?
Valenius
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1266 Posts
March 29 2014 00:53 GMT
#582
+ Show Spoiler +
On March 29 2014 09:35 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Argh. I meant to post before night ends, but my nap lasted longer than I anticipated lol.

oh and robik survived n1 gg, clear mafia



Alright, looking at nightkills, Eden is the super obvious choice, doesn't change much for my analysis. In fact, it just cuts out the comments I was going to make about Eden.

Day 1 is characterized by what I feel are three MAJOR events.

1) The OK lurker policy, Robik's wtf, and the subsequent push onto Cavalinho for following Robik on it

2) My own fail post and the subsequent shitstorm.

3) The Cavalinho parity claim.

I think the first two situations have been beaten to death, though I'll answer any remaining questions people have about the second point. The brunt of my analysis will be on

Cavalinho put out the parity cop claim just to spite fking Eden, and I can understand it. More than understand it, I did the same thing because it was fking tiresome.

Let's look how people fell on that.

Pixalated wasn't online at the time because Singapore.
Eden kept pushing, and was tunneling on Cavalinho and Robik being scum together (this is a clusterfuck I want to return to later when I have more time to analyze the slapfight more throoughly).
Robik posted a spirited defense of Cavalinho, saying we shouldn't lynch the parity cop claim. Also yelling at Eden. I still don't understand how the parity cop claim can just sort itself out before Day 3, and even then it doesn't necessarily become useful.
Valenius states that:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2014 06:07 Valenius wrote:
In light of this..

My vote isn't moving. I don't believe LT is mafia, so i'm not going to move my vote on to him.

Which is actually a pretty bold statement since no-one else had said anything decisive, and I think it leans town.

I do want an explanation as to why you didn't move it onto Cavalinho, however, as while I understand why you didn't move it onto me, but not Cav. You just over half-an hour stated that:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2014 05:28 Valenius wrote:
I really want to keep my vote on sqrt, but it doesn't look like it's going down that way.

Out of Cav/LT, i'd be voting for Cav.


Then, RolandJarvis is online and posts:
Show nested quote +
Posting to say I'm refreshing from work and I'm aware of current events.

He doesn't explicitly take a side here (instead keeps on voting Cavalinho).
And what were your thoughts about the whole affair? You didn't post any thoughts about it despite being online at the time.

OK then posts that he disagrees with Robik's reasoning that "the parity cop claim will sort itself out". He doesn't take further action outside of this, as of yet. Likely thinking over his course of action.

RJ then posts this:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2014 06:34 RolandJarvis wrote:
I am nervous about who won't be around and the possibility of no accountability vote switches in the name of not lynching the claim.

I believe everyone in the game has by this time been accounted for outside of myself (I noted previously that my phone was dead), and Pixalated (who stated he was sleeping and wasn't around for the lynch). It seems to imply that you still wanted to see Cavalinho lynched, as you were worried about vote switches off of him?

Then we get
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2014 06:37 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
The question is, do we believe the cop claim or not? It's doubtful, but possible.

Which is fking useless. No stand, no reason to post it outside to basically signal hes online and aware of what's happening, and just makes town more confused and uncertain. He doesn't change his vote on Cavalinho. Scummy or useless town contribution.

Valenius responds to it and says:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2014 06:38 Valenius wrote:
Shit, i wish someone had wondered this earlier.

Which raises the question as to why you don't post anything afterwards regarding the Cavalinho lynch (either changing your play, taking a firm stand on it before Day 1 ended, or commenting on later actions), as you were clearly online at the time.

I then make a post that states I have a short amount of time to check and reply to the mafia thread + Show Spoiler [RL reason] +
the kids I was tutoring got disciplinary action so I had half an hour to fuck around
.

OK then posts his vote switch from Valenius to Cavalinho, specifically citing RJ's concern that people would vote-switch off of Cavalinho because of the claim, and stating he doesn't think it can resolve itself.

At this point I finally finish skimming the thread, have no fking clue what to say about the claim, and thought to myself: I might as well consolidate because I basically think there's no fking way this will end well because it's a fking parity cop, and we could be LYLO if we try to accommodate it.

I DISAGREE THAT THIS IS A TOWN PLAY. Neutral play at best in my own review of the action, since it was posted after OK posted his justification (I posted I was online probably like 15s before he posted his justification and voteswitch).

Show nested quote +
I'll say this: I disagree with OK's assessment of LT late vote on Cava looking good because why would mafia want to draw attention to themselves. I disagree because if LT is mafia, and he's one of the other wagons, he has to make sure that he's not lynched based off of a late vote-switch based off of the claim. Thus it makes sense for him to make sure that the lead wagon is as far ahead as possible.


I agree with this, though at the time there were 4 votes on Cavalinho, so it would take 2 vote switches, as opposed to 1, to see myself lynched. I actually like the skepticism here. I don't see how it can be anything but a neutral at best move, especially as I did telegraph that I was most likely not going to be able to post again before the deadline.


tl;dr???
I feel really scummy about sqrt's post for obvious reasons. It doesn't discuss "what should we do", it just incites doubt about "is he REALLY a cop?" (like we're going to fking know until he flips). He doesn't change his vote or anything, so I'm really not sure what to make of it.

Valenius' posts confuse me here and I'm not sure how to interpret his play; his first post seems towny to me, but the second, combined with a lack of followup, confuses this read: especially as he said he didn't mind voting Cavalinho over myself.

RJ voiced a valid concern about possible vote-switching off of Cavalinho (but apparently did not foresee the vote-switching ON to Cavalinho), and seemed to be for the continued lynching of Cavalinho claim or no claim. I agree with it, but I can't read much else from him here.

OK does voteswitch onto Cavalinho first (followed by myself like 5 minutes later).

I am uneasy about Robik's play, and will be posting another analysis of it later today. This was already more work than I intended.

I have more general reads and proposals coming in the next wall-o-text



With regards to the points raised on me. I wanted to vote off sqrt, and people seem to be coming around to why I wanted that. I didn't believe you were mafia, so out of the two of you (You/Cav) the only choice was him. Then he claimed, and i had no idea what to do. I don't have a better explanation. I just flat-out couldn't decide if he was faking or not, and what to do if he wasn't. The only move I could make if he wasn't faking is to switch on to you, but I'd already said that I wasn't voting for you, so that was out of the picture.

My "Shit, i wish someone had wondered this earlier." post: I was just frustrated with sqrt. The same page it's on has that question asked multiple times.
Valenius
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1266 Posts
March 29 2014 01:28 GMT
#585
On March 29 2014 10:25 OnceKing wrote:
dude LT what are you typing
you just wavered between me being solid town and not being solid town like three times


You're schrodinger's mafia.
Valenius
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1266 Posts
March 29 2014 17:17 GMT
#594
I cannot think of any reason why a mafia would roleblock you if you're town.

##Vote: sqrtofneg1
Valenius
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1266 Posts
March 29 2014 17:21 GMT
#595
Roland, Robik, Pixalated. Are any of you guys around?
Valenius
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1266 Posts
March 29 2014 21:17 GMT
#602
##unvote
##Vote: Pixalated
Valenius
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1266 Posts
March 29 2014 21:59 GMT
#604
On March 30 2014 06:55 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2014 06:17 Valenius wrote:
##unvote
##Vote: Pixalated

Why?
Explain your reasoning please.


He has an a instead of an e in his name. It's been bugging me for a while.
Valenius
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1266 Posts
March 29 2014 22:41 GMT
#606
No.

You think he's mafia, why aren't you voting for him?
Valenius
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1266 Posts
March 29 2014 23:02 GMT
#609
50/50
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