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/in Im confirmed town btw, so medic saves on me and no lynching, kk? Easy game plz | ||
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You got me. ##forfeit Gg town wins. Next game balla gogo | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-59K6bEd7xuY/Tta8e3dGB7I/AAAAAAAABMg/schSHPb7KNE/s1600/tucker-and-dale-vs-evil-alan-tudyk-dog.jpg) Looking forward to the start of this game. I'm actually okay with game lengths being around the same as our 1st one one (minus d3's activity). Idk how you can all manage with these 100 page day 1's. | ||
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/rNM4mj9.gif) the timing suits me, im way too busy this week~ | ||
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##vote: sqrtofneg1 | ||
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what is this, amateur hour?!? | ||
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Are you talking policy lynch inactives? They'll be hit by a modkill. Are you talking policy lynch lurkers regardless of any other factors? What if 7/9 of us were set on a certain player as being mafia, would you still try to push the policy lynch? Are you talking about policy lynch lurkers when we have no other reads? I agree with this one. Sleep for me anyway, see you guys tomorrow. | ||
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Im still here reading stuff, but at work so not enough time to post on it! Ill be home in like 6 hours (hopefully) | ||
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By putting me as an obvious town despite myself having done fuck all so far this game, it would draw a massive flag to anyone just agreeing with his post. It got called out pretty much immediately as a wtf post (rightly so) and he explained that was his plan. LT, i can sort of.. understand what you were trying' but damn man.. that execution was horrific. | ||
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for anyone who didn't play with me two games ago, this (now to now+6 or 7 hours) is pretty much the only posting time i can get. it sucks, and im sorry for that. i'll be as helpful as possible during this time, and if anyone want's to leave me questions go ahead and i'll try pick them up. if i dont answer anything, let me know and ill look at it again~ | ||
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doesn't make much sense to keep that vote on considering we've progressed past Hearthstone talk. | ||
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OnceKing's initial policy post has come under some flak, seemingly because people don't see the point of it. In my view, it's setting out early what will happen if the day phase goes to shit and it's as split as the last two games. The last two games have been horrific day one's, with a spread vote count across all of the players and as is rightly pointed out by Robik a few pages on; We need to consolidate votes to stop that situation happening again. If it got to a split vote situation, it's much easier for mafia to be the one's controlling who's voted off the first day, either through sheeping onto votes or even just sitting back if town is heading wrong. In theory, in a split situation moving across onto a lurker, or non-contributer would help town in 1) more contribution and 2) lack of split votes. Nexxxt: His earlier vote on Robik seems like just pushing to me, there's not much behind it and robik's too strong to feel flustered by that shit. TL:DR for this section: I don't feel OnceKing would post this if he were mafia mostly because of the positives it has for town, and negatives for scum. One thing to take away from this, is it transitioned us away from the wtfpostinggarbage stage and got some actual discussion going. OnceKing's vote on Cavalinho seems reasonable-ish to me. Cav's post that preceded it was wtf worthy; "One of us is going to be dead by the end of today and it isn't going to be me just because I agreed with someone." There's still over half of the day phase left, this is just a ridiculous post. Argue your corner, don't throw down an ultimatum like that; it does absolutely nothing for your towniness. Lord Tolkien's 'scum trap'; As i've mentioned i think it was just a .. i cant even come up with an adjective to describe it. It, and the follow-up posts were a bad play. If you're wanting to do that, you pick someone who's pretty much in the middle of everything.. average posts.. average town/mafia feeling etc. Stating i'm cleared based off my ONE post is like showing someone a guillotine and asking them to put their head on the block for you. The issue i'm having with this, is I can't decide where it falls on the scumminess scale. The last game I played with you, you were reasonably good. Unless you were sleep posting, there's no way I would believe you could make that post seriously. idk. One of Eden's points about you.. "It was also right before he went to sleep. Yeah, it's not a constructive post. That's not automatically scum, especially in isolation." Eden: he never really said he was automatically scum did he? the wording i can see is: "sqrtofneg1 has thus far been fairly disconcerting to me." & "but seems to be a scum lurker to me". It's a reads game, people do misread and have different ideas as to what constitutes a scum post (the game would be boring as shit otherwise). Eden's comment about having never mentioned the right or wrong day (i can only assume you're talking about LT's reasoning for the post timings?!?) is irrelevant to me. If LT's reads were based off of the posting times, then of course that's what he's going to use for his argument? I'll try and address Eden's other points further down when i go through eden's filter. I don't see much else worth discussing following the above in his filter. Obviously give me questions on shit if you disagree~ Robik I can't believe i'm saying this, but Robik seems pretty solidly town. He's abrasive, but is pushing in the right direction. He has a different read on OK's lynch proposal, but he's also more experienced so he doesn't feel like that would need reinforcing to people. Pixalated + Show Spoiler + On March 26 2014 21:00 Pixalated wrote: I really am not sure about this scumbait play and what it means. On one hand it's an easy way to have a free out after making bad reads and getting called out for it, but it seems really stupid for scum to do, and I am not sure if scum would stick out their head like that. Actually can you explain this. You say you yourself feel suspicious of OK's first post, yet you yourself ask why Robik thinks its out of place??? My reading of that: He's saying he did feel super suspicous of it, but following re-reading the old thread (Where a similar day1 lurker policy was stated) he changed his mind. He pretty much states why he's changed his mind, and then asks why Robik still thinks it's out of place. If they had the same initial reading for mistrusting OK's post, i could understand your confusion. However, they both disliked it for different reasons, which clear's that argument. However -No 2-, Robik's given kinda good reasoning for his dislike of it, although i don't agree with him, the reasoning is there: which makes LT's question pointless. Your two post's (won't quote due to the length that this is getting to..) at 12:53 & 13:00 i dislike. In one, you're saying you'd prefer to be lynching him. At this stage should you even be considering that he's going to get lynched? You should be wanting to get the right lynch, a lot can change in a day. Then you ask Eden who he'd be prefering.. same as above. If this is just being done to put pressure on those people.. i can understand it but it didnt seem that way to me. ~~ Sqrt. Your initial leaving time was a bit wierd. I agree with LT on this: It's well past any joking around stage, and you don't post anything on what's just happened. What i REALLY want to see from you, which ahs been completely lacking is solid reasoning on why your reads are what they are. Your entire read on me/LT (granted, i hadn't posted too much so i can forgive you for me) was based around posts you didn't understand. I have no idea why LT chose me, but I guess it was because I was clearly not town at that point and it was a lazy move. "Robik's playing aggressive, as he normally does. He's been pressuring pretty much everybody, as a town should do. The one thing that I don't like is that he got a town read on my on joke posts before the game. that's strange. I read town." It's not a strange read at all, it's pretty much in line with everything else that's been said about lurkers and mafia. It's also another one of those circular fucking logic's.. "If i post lots at the start, it'll make me not look like mafia, but then they might think that, so what if i dont post, but then that makes me more of a lurker, so i'll post..etc etc..". It's a decent read in a newbie game, but if you have any idea what you're doing it's not a unthinkable play for you to make. More than anything, you're jumping on with other people's reads without giving reasoning other than agreeing with their posts. Give some actual thought out reasons. For now, you're towards the top of my scummy totem pole. "Comes in, makes reads, avoids question. ##Unvote ##Vote: Cavalinho" In that one post by Cavalinho, he's provided 5x much more than you have so far. Cavalinho I don't know what RVS stands for, but i'm assuming it's basically the wtfpostingorgy that happened at the start of the game? If so, you post that OnceKing's post was wierd to make at the time it happened, when we were barely out of RVS. OnceKing's lynching post is the post that GOT us out of RVS. It was a large driving factor in the next pages, and was the indisputable start of proper play. I don't get how it's wierd. I've mentioned how very much i disliked your ultimatum (for lack of a better word) post about it being either you or eden that dies. just wtf. You're playing mafia, of course you're going to have to deal with people going on to you. It gives you a chance to explain your reasoning, and mitigate any doubts people have about you. You should be fucking relishing the chance to prove yourself as more town when people are questioning you, rather than being overly agressive in return. That's my view of what I'd do anyway. Your comment to OK about not doing a lynch me-lynch him type play is one I agree with, I dislike that play unless it's a certain situation.. like cop->fake claim cop etc. Day 1, that should never be done.. reads are too flimsy at this stage. Jumping forward a few posts.. you comment on how LT's read is bosh. You're then using his view on me being cleared(the bait one) as if it's a real read. He's right in that your posts are generally agressive. He say's you're just OMGUS'ing without a case, which you even agree with in your 'story straight' post. I'll get onto Eden/Roland in a bit, but posting this for now. Quick totem pole. top doesn't mean i think he's confirmed scum, just highest on my list as it stands. Sqrt Cavalinho Pixelated Lord Tolkien OnceKing Robik Idk where roland / eden fit into that yet. | ||
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On March 27 2014 05:52 IAmRobik wrote: It's not enough for me to not call you town, but I am just nervous. You're almost certainly town. I'm probably just paranoid. wat | ||
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ignore my above post | ||
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