I don't think rayn is town he is playing completely different to the game I play with him before. He was aggressive but I feel like his push on Slam is an easy low hanging fruit type push. Survivor might not be town but its not mafia finding mafia > lynching the survivor.

Austin don't you think that finding those who easily believed the survivor claim are likely to be mafia? This is a post by tehpoofter for example. He uses connection on an unflipped survivor to push for rayn.

Vivax

21769 Posts

April 06 2014 03:50 GMT

#2403

sometimes calling slam survivor and not possible survivor

On March 31 2014 03:16 Tehpoofter wrote:
Actual read on slam is I don't like him he might be mafia claiming the role and rayn brought that up earlier I believe and if he was pushing him for that I wouldn't be suspicious of him but I don't like you want to vote him because you think he is survivor.

If he is survivor I think there is a good way to deal with him in that case.

This is a post from him right afterwards.
Gonna try and find the post you think is such townie.

Vivax

21769 Posts

April 06 2014 04:06 GMT

#2406

On April 06 2014 12:59 austinmcc wrote:
(I called someone town because they were poking at Alakaslam and trying to get him to post and give reads and stuff. I need to check my own frigging filter, because that was a super townie thing and hopefully it's someone involved in all this)

I think it was amiko after he voted for him.

Vivax

21769 Posts

April 06 2014 04:17 GMT

#2407

Btw austin...The post you mention sounded townie about tehpoofter.

He asked DJO what he thought his opinion on your case was. Now tell me if poofter looks like he suspected Djo at the time when he thought it would have been a weird question to ask mafia.

Vivax

21769 Posts

April 06 2014 05:56 GMT

#2412

I think it's stupid to use the roleblocks that way cause there's the chance that the roleblocks stop scum from doing stuff if the KP isn't delivered factionally. I'd rather go for offensive jailing rather than wasting my jail on austin now that scum knows they can kill me.

Vivax

21769 Posts

April 06 2014 06:02 GMT

#2413

For all I care you can nuke hopeless. You should cause I won't be following kita's plan and lose the last chance to see if I can offensive jail. Kita's plan is useless anyway cause if one of us is scum he simply doesn't follow it and next day scum has won.

I've been thinking a bit about his role and there's the fact he doesn't know who he's following or what that role does. His role is actually the only role currently claimed able to gain information for scum unless one of the claimed vanillas is a scum rolecop or something like that.

There is also kita pointing out something scummy on him, then leaving him alone until D2 and calling me asking him questions useless. This is connection based, but maybe you will listen to a guy like Foolishness who is one of the best scumhunters on this forum. He's not infallible but he's good.

Otherwise I pointed out the way he handled kita D1 being reluctant to call him scum yet feeling the need to ask him about his actions.

Vivax

21769 Posts

April 06 2014 06:04 GMT

#2415

Now watch hopeless crawl out of the woodworks when his name's up for being hit by a fatman.

Vivax

21769 Posts

April 06 2014 06:06 GMT

#2416

On April 06 2014 15:03 Amiko wrote:
@Vivax I don't really understand. I'm just saying if kita's role claim is true, he may still be able to protect someone.

No, he must use each of his actions before being able to use a previously used one again.

Now ask yourself this: Is it likely that town has 3 protective roles when scum has 2 KP at night 2 with kita being a vet, a roleblocker, a doctor and a tracker at once?

We have a watcher, a detective, a tracker?
A doctor, a JK, another doctor?

If you think I'm town then you should be wary of kita's claim.

Vivax

21769 Posts

April 06 2014 06:10 GMT

#2417

Wait a minute, I actually think you can't be roleblocked. Nevermind, let's do this at night.

Vivax

21769 Posts

April 06 2014 06:13 GMT

#2418

On April 06 2014 14:56 thrawn2112 wrote:
amiko i'd rather you come up with some original stuff instead of you commenting on other people's posts

Thrawn, do you believe he could be scum or what is the point of this question? It isn't exactly original stuff either.

Vivax

21769 Posts

April 06 2014 06:17 GMT

#2420

Don't be pissy. I'm reading you and kush right now, I like your points on kush but I wanna know if I can eliminate you from possible scum and I can't do that if you mock me when I ask you stuff.

Vivax

21769 Posts

April 06 2014 06:30 GMT

#2426

On April 06 2014 15:21 thrawn2112 wrote:
i want him to post something that will move the thread along. what he's doing isn't

who knows if he is scum, i sure don't. I don't think he's a priority though. but either way, no matter his alignment, it's best for town if he posts his own stuff instead of writing non conclusive essays about every big case that comes up

Don't you think he's town for going for wrong speculation on my role when scum should know my claim is true?
He suggested it couldn't be based on some false information.

Also thrawn, there's this post from D1 that kinda raises questions:

On April 01 2014 04:31 thrawn2112 wrote:
i will also lynch slam over gumshoe in order to not lynch rayn but i will not like it.

Afterwards you said slam can stay, yes. But at that particular time, why slam over gumshoe? It's not like gum did anything to clear himself at that point.

Vivax

21769 Posts

April 06 2014 06:45 GMT

#2428

Another thing: You said hopeless was slipping that people were town, soon after you said he was probably town due to his useless town meta. The first point is completely unrelated to his meta. How could it really change your mind?

Vivax

21769 Posts

April 06 2014 06:59 GMT

#2432

On April 06 2014 15:54 Amiko wrote:
Kita I started on your case and rereading but I'm too tired to gofurther tonight. I'll aim to do it first thing tomorrow. I'll hold the nuke until night phase, hopefully that won't screw us over.

Nah it won't. It can't be roleblocked cause there's the announcement before phase end and it goes through vet and med protection.

Vivax

21769 Posts

April 06 2014 07:07 GMT

#2433

Anyway, I like how you say you sheeped rayn a little, thrawn. Seems kinda like a weird thing for scum to bring up about a thing quite a bit in the past cause for example I tend to forget the details of the reasons for why I had a "scumread" when I'm scum much more easily.

Not gonna let you off the hook that quickly but you gain some townpoints for now. Will ask you some other stuff later.

Vivax

21769 Posts

April 06 2014 19:38 GMT

#2475

kush's play is probably a gambit, a sacrifice to protect a better role on his team. He consumed his powers most likely and this night they need the converter alive again.

I wanna see how scum deals with 3 offensive roleblocks tho

Vivax

21769 Posts

April 06 2014 19:56 GMT

#2478

On April 07 2014 04:49 kitaman27 wrote:

Show nested quote +

Saving this post for later.

Out of all the reasons to want to lynch kush, his role being "too good to be town" is a really weak way to jump on the wagon.

I agree with this. It's a terrible post and probably makes the dude scum. Kush claimed D2 and most people were more like town on him when he shot gumshoe.

Blues: (I think one is scum hopeless claim is the most townie cause it seems silly for scum to claim when they did.) Kush reaction was good to gum even though he shot the medic I'd have done the same as town although his role does seem really strong. Vivax probably the most scummy claim wise cause he was reluctant to give up his visit. But I was going to move my vote off him based on play so I still give him town points. JJD Seemed to try to get hopeless on that whole fakeclaim thing thats the 3rd occurance of him really pushing a scum read on something slip like to me it pings scummy because of my background as I highlighted in a previous post but it may be different on the forums.
Kush
Vivax
Hopeless
JJD

The sudden change of opinions and disregard of how kush claimed is pretty sketchy.

Vivax

21769 Posts

April 06 2014 20:26 GMT

#2481

On April 07 2014 05:24 thrawn2112 wrote:
i disbelieve that he used the scumometer

Why aren't you voting for him though.

Vivax

21769 Posts

April 06 2014 20:44 GMT

#2485

Oh wow I just checked voting thread and could've sworn you weren't on him yet sorry.