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I've noticed something weird about Oats on page 50.
He is suddendly asking DP about his reads about me and Vivax. DP is one of his town read at that point.
On March 19 2014 19:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
aw DP.
Talk to me. Do you think Djodref or Vivax is scum?
And then Palmar says
On March 19 2014 19:18 Palmar wrote:
I don't think Vivax is, his post was pretty solid.
And DP answers
On March 19 2014 19:50 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2014 19:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
aw DP.
Talk to me. Do you think Djodref or Vivax is scum? Why are one of them scum? I'm not sure on either to be honest. Vivax looked ok so thrawn calling him scum is odd. Djo is ? to be determined. If he does scum hunting he is town based off mario mini but that was a long time ago.
So Oats goes
On March 19 2014 20:51 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2014 19:50 DarthPunk wrote:On March 19 2014 19:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
aw DP.
Talk to me. Do you think Djodref or Vivax is scum? Why are one of them scum? I'm not sure on either to be honest. Vivax looked ok so thrawn calling him scum is odd. Djo is ? to be determined. If he does scum hunting he is town based off mario mini but that was a long time ago. They could both be town or scum, just asking for a read. I think Vivax is town I agree with palmar. I dunno about Djo though, I actually think that he is purposely not participating in what is going on.
I don't understand why you ask one of your town read an insight of one of another of your townreads, especially coupled with a scummy (i.e me in that case).
I think Oats could be proding DP about his views on his scum partner Vivax here.
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@Oats
I would like to know what your motivation was to ask this question to DP.
On March 19 2014 19:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
aw DP.
Talk to me. Do you think Djodref or Vivax is scum?
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On March 21 2014 21:49 Koshi wrote:
Djodref
Could you make us a list?
You can use Palmar his template.
Here is where I am right now, but it's not definitive yet though
Town hero tier
rayn
Koshi
leaning town tier
Darthpunk
thrawn
Hopeless
Honestly I don't know tier (from more town to less town)
Palmar
poof
Holyflare
GT
VE
leaning scum tier
Oats
Inactive tier
Slam
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On March 21 2014 21:53 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2014 21:47 Djodref wrote:@OatsI would like to know what your motivation was to ask this question to DP. On March 19 2014 19:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
aw DP.
Talk to me. Do you think Djodref or Vivax is scum? I can answer that I think. I read that as a prod towards me, saying: 'Hey DP I think you are town, I am town, Let's find some scum"
Yeah I agree with that, but it kind of implies that Vivax and me were on his scumradar then, but why then saying that he finds Vivax town ?
Do you see my point ?
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On March 21 2014 22:00 Oatsmaster wrote:
Djo faking reads right here. Why is Koshi town hero Djo?
Because he is very open about his thoughts in his posts, and I liked the process he used to vote me (as mentionned before). He is also very active and tries to figure out the game even now.
Also rayn has him as town and rayn is obsviouslt town and a good player, and they identified themselves both as town.
By the way, who do you lynch tomorrow and why if I'm vigged tonight ?
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On March 21 2014 21:59 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2014 21:47 Djodref wrote:@OatsI would like to know what your motivation was to ask this question to DP. On March 19 2014 19:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
aw DP.
Talk to me. Do you think Djodref or Vivax is scum? I wanted to know his reads on Djo and Vivax because they werent being discussed and I thought Djo was scummy. Im not sure what answer you expected.
Vivax was discussed.
Why Vivax ? He was discussed at that point because he just made his first post 2 or 3 pages before you asked the question. I don't understand why you would group us in this question. Didn't you find Vivax scummy at this point
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On March 21 2014 22:15 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2014 22:10 Djodref wrote:On March 21 2014 22:00 Oatsmaster wrote:
Djo faking reads right here. Why is Koshi town hero Djo? Because he is very open about his thoughts in his posts, and I liked the process he used to vote me (as mentionned before). He is also very active and tries to figure out the game even now. Also rayn has him as town and rayn is obsviouslt town and a good player, and they identified themselves both as town. By the way, who do you lynch tomorrow and why if I'm vigged tonight ? Rayn has me as town, why do you think Im scum? I will lynch slam
Because I don't feel like you do anything else than tunneling me. So I don't know if you are trying to solve this game or not. I guess your tunnel looks fine for everybody else because I'm almost on everybody scumradar, but the thing is it's not fine for me because I'm not scum.
Also you are not as active as Koshi and I don't feel you as open and carefree as him.
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On March 21 2014 22:13 Koshi wrote:
Djodref,
Why is thrawn town?
Activity is good tell for scum thrawn, or at least it was the case when I was playing with him.
Then I like his gut feeling he has for poof as a noob town. I can relate to that.
Also the posts that DP highlighted to show the townieness in thrawn.
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On March 21 2014 22:18 Palmar wrote:
Why am I scummier than DP/Hopeless/thrawn Djodref?
Hint: there is a wrong answer.
Because I think there is a good possibility for GT to be town and I expect town you to push lynch on mafia and not town.
But if GT turns out to be scum, I would put you back in the hero town tier.
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On March 21 2014 22:25 Koshi wrote:
damn [g][/g] doesn't work.
Anyhoezels.
I am going to repeat this once more.
VIGI DO NOT SHOOT.
Imagine a world in which Alakaslam is doc, Giggletummy is cop, and you are a vigi. Imagine how bad you could fuck up. Do not shoot. You will hit a blue.
Well the vig can shoot me if he wants 
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On March 21 2014 22:29 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2014 22:28 Djodref wrote:On March 21 2014 22:25 Koshi wrote:
damn [g][/g] doesn't work.
Anyhoezels.
I am going to repeat this once more.
VIGI DO NOT SHOOT.
Imagine a world in which Alakaslam is doc, Giggletummy is cop, and you are a vigi. Imagine how bad you could fuck up. Do not shoot. You will hit a blue. Well the vig can shoot me if he wants Are you claiming VT?
Yeah, I claim VT. But I don't mind being shot, I think I would do town more good than harm given the position I'm in right now.
It could force Oats to participate for example. And make room to find the real scummers.
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On March 22 2014 01:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
The reason Oats does that is it's almost certain at the time of Oats' vote switch that Vivax is going to be the lynch unless I'm misremembering. Yes town Oats changes his mind, but the fact is that there was nothing new said - there was no further explanation of the point. Oats DISAGREED with your theory, full stop. Then he voted for Vivax, in such a way that it seemed like he never doubted your read of the situation.
I just want to add that this is exactly what is expressed on his drawing he made here.
On March 20 2014 23:44 Oatsmaster wrote:![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Y3KYUt5.png)
At this point, scum Oats has realised that everyone was going to see that Vivax was scum given the damning evidence presented in the thread. He isolates here HF in his drawing while he was making roughly the same argument with the filters just a moment before.
At first read, I found it a little unfair to HF, but I think Oats wanted to be part of the "EVERYONE" because he realized it was going to be a successful and unstoppable wagon.
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On March 22 2014 01:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2014 01:42 Djodref wrote:On March 22 2014 01:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
The reason Oats does that is it's almost certain at the time of Oats' vote switch that Vivax is going to be the lynch unless I'm misremembering. Yes town Oats changes his mind, but the fact is that there was nothing new said - there was no further explanation of the point. Oats DISAGREED with your theory, full stop. Then he voted for Vivax, in such a way that it seemed like he never doubted your read of the situation. I just want to add that this is exactly what is expressed on his drawing he made here. On March 20 2014 23:44 Oatsmaster wrote: At this point, scum Oats has realised that everyone was going to see that Vivax was scum given the damning evidence presented in the thread. He isolates here HF in his drawing while he was making roughly the same argument with the filters just a moment before. At first read, I found it a little unfair to HF, but I think Oats wanted to be part of the "EVERYONE" because he realized it was going to be a successful and unstoppable wagon. How can you say it's damning evidence because at the time you didn't YOURSELF think it's damning evidence and neither did about 8 other players?
Yeah, that's why it's a little disturbing that DP and Oats understood what it meant this quickly.
DP is smart but Oats 180 is too quick for my liking 
If you know that Vivax is scum, you know where this is going.
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Just in case I'm vigged...
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/yhvUVHk.jpg?2)
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On March 22 2014 05:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay so. Is Djo mafia too?
Are all the D1 wagons mafia?
No, I'm still town. Nice shot by the way. Mafia did nothing D1 then.
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On March 22 2014 05:51 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2014 05:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Everyone who was on Djo instead of GT talk.
now.
plz. thats u thrawn oats koshi. mostly koshi i guess
What do you mean mostly Koshi ?
Before the Vivax stuff, I had only Oats, Koshi and thrawn on me.
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On March 22 2014 05:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
VE gets to be really town bcz of this and Djodref needs to talk about something not Plammer now.
cool <3
Yeah, Palmar definitively back to town hero tier. It was hard for me to believe scum GT lynch to be so uncontested.
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On March 22 2014 06:15 thrawn2112 wrote:
well.
djo was a viable lynch candidate ever since koshi voted for him. if djo is town he was a potential mislynch wagon. if djo is town, wouldn't he have been scum's only chance at a mislynch?
vivax didn't try to lynch djo
GGT didn't try to lynch djo
basically I'm saying that the flipped scum's voting evidence suggests that djo is mafia, because neither of them tried to push a lynch on djo while they themselves were being pushed towards the lynch.
It's because I'm a beacon of townieness, they knew they wouldn't manage to lynch me and would only look bad in the process.
On a more serious note, vivax was AFK most of the time, I guess he was really busy IRL. GGT was not very active as well, and was already looking too scummy to get traction.
From my point of view, I'm am more and more convinced that Oats is scum.
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I confronted Oats with his very first town read on Vivax, which surprisingly comes after this question he asked to DP.
On March 19 2014 19:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
aw DP.
Talk to me. Do you think Djodref or Vivax is scum?
If town Oats was writing this post, it would mean that town Oats is wary of Vivax and me, and asking confirmation for a fellow townie (in this case DP is one of his townread). It's difficult for me to imagine any other reason to phrase to question his way.
After this question, Palmar and DP basically said that Vivax first posts were looking townie enough for them. Hence
On March 19 2014 20:51 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2014 19:50 DarthPunk wrote:On March 19 2014 19:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
aw DP.
Talk to me. Do you think Djodref or Vivax is scum? Why are one of them scum? I'm not sure on either to be honest. Vivax looked ok so thrawn calling him scum is odd. Djo is ? to be determined. If he does scum hunting he is town based off mario mini but that was a long time ago. They could both be town or scum, just asking for a read.
I think Vivax is town I agree with palmar.I dunno about Djo though, I actually think that he is purposely not participating in what is going on.
Please notice here how he changed his question first. He was not asking if Vivax or me were scum anymore, but just for a read. It contradicts the phrasing of the first question.
And suddenly his wariness of Vivax disappears, he agrees with Palmar that Vivax is town.
When I confronted Oats with this posts he answered with this post
On March 21 2014 21:59 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2014 21:47 Djodref wrote:@OatsI would like to know what your motivation was to ask this question to DP. On March 19 2014 19:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
aw DP.
Talk to me. Do you think Djodref or Vivax is scum? I wanted to know his reads on Djo and Vivax because they werent being discussed and I thought Djo was scummy. Im not sure what answer you expected.
I call this post bullshit. It's a lie ! Vivax was discussed at that point because he just made his entrance into the thread a few pages ago.
On my timestamps, here is the date of Vivax first post in the thread
Vivax Austria. March 19 2014 14:44. Posts 5166
and here is the date of Oats question to DP, just a few hours after
Oatsmaster Singapore. March 19 2014 19:16. Posts 10165
If you add this to the quick 180 Oats did on Vivax to be one of the first to vote him after rayn found him, I'm pretty confident that Oats is mafia.
## vote Oats
Paint incoming !
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