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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On March 06 2014 08:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I do. Why do you capitalize LSb like that and don't capitalize Plammer yet capitalize my name? You come across a fellow traveler on the road. You wish him good day, He replies "How many fucks do you think I have to spare?" a)1 b)21234587232323 c)infinite d)none. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
(1) I'm not a survivor. Either gumshoe or some other no-poster is OR we don't have one. OP says either 9/3 or 9/2/1, so it's not like there has to be an unclaimed survivor (saw a couple posts wondering who it was, there don't gots to be one). NOW TO BE CONTRADICTORY!!! (2) I don't love the idea of a super duper pick list. All roles that may be chosen are in the spoilers below. Roles may have additional alterations based on whether they are picked by Town, Mafia or Third Party. Players who draft these roles may or may not be informed of these alterations after receiving these roles. Roles may have additional alterations based on whether they are picked by Town, Mafia or Third Party. Players who draft these roles may or may not be informed of these alterations after receiving these roles. wait Roles may have additional alterations based on whether they are picked by Town, Mafia or Third Party. Players who draft these roles may or may not be informed of these alterations after receiving these roles. Even when all information is known, I don't think I've seen a full player list do what they were supposed to do based on picks and actions. Ever.In this case, we've been told we don't know EXACTLY what roles do. We also have been told we MAY NEVER KNOW what roles do, until we do stuff with them. So a proposal that relies upon specific people roleblocking x and y and some other folks shooting specific targets seems unreliable, EVEN IF THERE HAD EVER BEEN A GAME WHERE EVERYONE DID AS THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO. I like assigning numbers, dislike assigning roles within a system that requires PEOPLE to use roles as told and roles to work as expected. With that said, anyone picked an [8][x] yet? If yes, I'll take something towards the back. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On March 06 2014 08:42 Hopeless1der wrote: thats some hard hitting journalism right there. you already submit your numbers gumshoe or do we have a chance to discuss your problems with rayn? Geript yelled at me so I've already sent my numbers in ) : Aside from that I really just dont trust him with power, I have a gut/meta read on him and if that goes away down the line so be it, but I need to make this decicion now and I need to make the most of it, keeping kp away from a scum read seems like the most sensible way to do that. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12970 Posts
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On March 05 2014 13:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: It's like fakeclaim and die. Shoot someone and die. Roleblock someone you are not supposed to and die. If you are mafia DT then just rofl.  this worries me. We've basically been TOLD things won't happen as expected. On March 05 2014 15:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: Trust me, this is really easy. If assassin takes an unaccounted shot, day/night vigi shoots them because they claim mafia. Same goes vice versa. Every time we decide on a shot the roleblocker and jailer target each other so the shot is guaranteed to go through. If they don't, they claim mafia. That way we control all the non-mafia factional KP in the game which is far better than leave it up for a chance that mafia picks KP-roles and we are fucked. Again, vigis, roleblockers, jailers, and all roles that we don't expect to have KP all have to work like we think they will. On March 05 2014 15:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: Assassin kills someone. They die. We know the assassin killed them. Assassin has to be the only silent insta-kill. scum day vigi can't work like that or scum vigis an important townie, we kill the assassin, things fall apart, etc. I LIKE THE THOUGHT BUT THIS RELIES ON US BEING IN A DIFFERENT GAME | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On March 06 2014 08:47 prplhz wrote: @gumshoe Can you please elaborate on why you are trying to sabotage the plan by picking 2,1? Imagine raynpelikoneet is scum, what's so bad about him getting second pick? Because if hes scum, thats a shot thats not hitting scum in a game where the shots are what ever side probably needs to win. He also wont get blame for it, because he just shoots a scummy looking townie, he already has several aggressive reads on people and that may very well be because hes trying to justify shots down the line. Also I'm fine with the rest of the plan, palmer seems cool and I'll gladly claim d2. But I got chills on rayn, so no kp for him. | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On March 06 2014 08:50 Hopeless1der wrote: wait you read rayn as scum gumshoe? i thought scary/null was your read At this point in the game, scary null is a scum read ) : | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On March 06 2014 08:49 austinmcc wrote: Specifically, this worries me. We've basically been TOLD things won't happen as expected. Again, vigis, roleblockers, jailers, and all roles that we don't expect to have KP all have to work like we think they will. Assassin has to be the only silent insta-kill. scum day vigi can't work like that or scum vigis an important townie, we kill the assassin, things fall apart, etc. I LIKE THE THOUGHT BUT THIS RELIES ON US BEING IN A DIFFERENT GAME scum would need to be both the assassin and the dayvig for this to work, and then we can lynch them both... | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12970 Posts
On March 06 2014 08:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Gumshoe, why do you feel my play is likely to get shot? Do you mean by mafia KP or by town KP? | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On March 06 2014 08:54 Hopeless1der wrote: Eh?scum would need to be both the assassin and the dayvig for this to work, and then we can lynch them both... If roles are modified based on faction picking, a scum day vigi could be "type in thread and shoot that dude" "type in thread shoot different dude" "silent daykill" "something else" If the role doesn't work exactly as stated, say if it's silent or it hits someone else (which I guess is also silent), then things didn't work like the plan needs them to. I suppose if you hit someone else, that's not a very townie modification and we assume scum, but if day vigi can be modified to be silent, then when the day vigi shoots, we assume it's the assassin, and then we lynch the assassin. Whatever the assassin's alignment, he's gonna go "I didn't shoot that guy", but as far as we know, assassin is the only possible silent shot, so we think he's lying. Town or scum, a silent shot went off, assassin has the only silent shot we know of, therefore assassin did it and is lying, therefore lynch. It wouldn't require scum to have both? | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On March 06 2014 08:52 gumshoe wrote: Because if hes scum, thats a shot thats not hitting scum in a game where the shots are what ever side probably needs to win. He also wont get blame for it, because he just shoots a scummy looking townie, he already has several aggressive reads on people and that may very well be because hes trying to justify shots down the line. Also I'm fine with the rest of the plan, palmer seems cool and I'll gladly claim d2. But I got chills on rayn, so no kp for him. But raynpelikoneet isn't picking KP, he is picking Universal Backup. You might think there will leftover KP for that role but according to the plan, the top picks pick the KP roles so he's not going to get a KP role. | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
Town kp, cause your silly, town wont lynch you, kp is good for killing targets that are hard to muster a lynch on. Like, no ones going to lynch you for hosting an adventure, but it may very well stand out to a single twitch happy townie. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12970 Posts
On March 06 2014 08:59 gumshoe wrote: Town kp, cause your silly, town wont lynch you, kp is good for killing targets that are hard to muster a lynch on. Like, no ones going to lynch you for hosting an adventure, but it may very well stand out to a single twitch happy townie. I'm like confirmed town for my filter length already. I'm not getting shot by town this game unless they intentionally play against their win condition. | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On March 06 2014 06:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Because LSB didn't understand something and his conclusion to it was that Rayn was scum. When you don't understand something, do you instantly call the person scum for it? If I recall correctly LSB tends to be fairly cautious in the start, so for him to open with a scumread on something as light as that seems suspicious. Artanis is this LSB-specific or general? Like, all people who jump to the THIS GUY IS SCUM conclusion after not understanding are mafia, or only certain ones, and LSB is in that set because normally he's cautious? | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On March 06 2014 08:58 austinmcc wrote: Eh? If roles are modified based on faction picking, a scum day vigi could be "type in thread and shoot that dude" "type in thread shoot different dude" "silent daykill" "something else" If the role doesn't work exactly as stated, say if it's silent or it hits someone else (which I guess is also silent), then things didn't work like the plan needs them to. I suppose if you hit someone else, that's not a very townie modification and we assume scum, but if day vigi can be modified to be silent, then when the day vigi shoots, we assume it's the assassin, and then we lynch the assassin. Whatever the assassin's alignment, he's gonna go "I didn't shoot that guy", but as far as we know, assassin is the only possible silent shot, so we think he's lying. Town or scum, a silent shot went off, assassin has the only silent shot we know of, therefore assassin did it and is lying, therefore lynch. It wouldn't require scum to have both? | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12970 Posts
On March 06 2014 09:00 austinmcc wrote: Artanis is this LSB-specific or general? Like, all people who jump to the THIS GUY IS SCUM conclusion after not understanding are mafia, or only certain ones, and LSB is in that set because normally he's cautious? I find it suspicious in general, but LSB doing it is extra suspicious to me because my recollection has him as someone who wouldn't jump to conclusions like that. | ||
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