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On February 28 2014 07:12 boonetown wrote: I should probably step out as well then, as this is my first forum game. I'll let you make the choice, as I would love to play but respect the rules enough to understand that I shouldn't be playing this. Cheers ♥ you've played hundreds of epicmafia games and have hundreds of hours on video mafia you're fine | ||
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I have returned i. Alakascum ![[image loading]](http://static1.e926.net/data/36/55/365564cb36c84a9e73afe5965baed861.jpg) Last game I played with Alakaslam, he was town and he trolled very differently - it made me want to policy lynch him because he really didn't ever explain his reads on Day1 and just trolled a lot like he wanted to be read scummy. This game, his early trolling read more like he was trying to be funny while still appearing to contribute. Not much to go on, which is why it was a simple gut read. ii. First Triumvirate ![[image loading]](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5c/First_Triumvirate_of_Caesar,_Crassius_and_Pompey.jpg) I early read Robik as town because it lined up with his town video meta. It most mostly him being hyper-confident, even borderline aggressive, in his reads and not giving a fuck what other people thought. As the game has progressed, this condition has grown more serious and my town read on him grown more confident. I early read Killing as town because it also lined up with his town video meta, although it was much more tentative than my read on Robik. He came out of the gates ambitiously like an enthusiastic youth aspiring to find and slay scum and make a name for himself. This lined up with one of his town styles, not one of his mafia styles. As the game has progressed, I've grown more comfortable reading him as town because his logic/reasoning lines up with how I would expect him to be making reads, most specifically, on Robik and myself - barring his townread of VE for trying to break up a fight, which was dumb. I early read Boone as town for the same meta read from video play-style. This was the most tentative of the three, but as town, she sometimes behaves in what typically might be considered scummy (like being apologetic in her first post or letting everyone know "I'm worried guys it's my first game! [hint: IM TOWN]") - especially since she expressed nervousness pre-game about it being her first forum game. I was sympathetic at first, but then it all went wrong. iii. The Heist ![[image loading]](http://www.highdefdiscnews.com/screenshots/tower_heist_31.png) Now, I wasn't by any means sure of these four reads. However, I had a plan. I could post them without reasons and get lots of reactions from the town that could potentially be useful for myself or for other townies in the future (it dragged on a little long but w/e). Later in the thread, Killing pointed out that Slam seemed to change his disposition entirely from my initial scumread of him, but I personally felt like he was unphased/motivated if anything. Further, he seemed to bring up what was a good case for scumreading Boone (her meta aside). I liked him more after this. iv. The Death of Crassus ![[image loading]](https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-n-ISk3E6ALo/Um6EO1-t2-I/AAAAAAAAF2o/QSIfVslvlsE/w1920-h1200-no/2013-10-28_00182.jpg) On March 04 2014 15:08 boonetown wrote: so, you're attempting to prove 2 things right now from what i can gather, 1) you have no idea what 'text book scum' means AND 2) you don't know how to read people that you've never played with. I was actually attempting to be funny with my first post while at the same time letting everyone know I wasn't down to just lynch someone based on RNG. I guess I'm not as funny as I thought, and having an opinion that differs from the rest, is seen as scummy here. FML, I should stick to video mafia. CAN'T YOU READ THE TONE OF MY VOICE!? Basically, everything underlined lead me to begin questioning my read on Boone from "aw town Boone why do you say these things?" to "holy shit is she scum?". It was really defensive I felt even for her. So I did the vote trick again to see how she reacted. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=444554¤tpage=12#227 felt over-defensive, fluffy, and borderline "arguing against playstyle" as Slam noted. Ultimately from their interactions, I came to have a light town read on Slam and a light scum read on Boone, which I still hold now. The only thing that's made me second-guess scumreading her is when she outed her QT thread for reasons that she was afraid of being manipulated in it by mafia and having it hurt town. On the off-chance that you are town Boone, you should re-evaluate your meta-read on me based on On March 05 2014 02:11 boonetown wrote: You know better than to vote so fast on something so small. because voting in this is very different than voting in video mafia, especially when we are using a plurality lynch system. There is no risk of a misslynch from voting early or freely because you can always unvote. v. The Chamber of Secrets Opened ![[image loading]](http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110806210025/harrypotter/images/thumb/6/62/Chamber.png/500px-Chamber.png) + Show Spoiler + GGTeMpLaR 03-03-2014 06:37 PM ET (US) I know you're both mafia don't talk to me I don't trust either one of you VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted 03-03-2014 07:25 PM ET (US) The fuck? Fine then. justanothertowniePerson was signed in when posted 03-04-2014 02:14 AM ET (US) wat justanothertowniePerson was signed in when posted 03-04-2014 02:15 AM ET (US) VE, we gonna talk? I don't really know how we should work with this since we are only masoned for a day. GGTeMpLaR 03-04-2014 11:37 AM ET (US) are u guys town justanothertowniePerson was signed in when posted 03-04-2014 11:57 AM ET (US) what a useless question justanothertowniePerson was signed in when posted 03-04-2014 12:19 PM ET (US) Weird. I thought there was only one foundation mason and now boone is claiming she is masoned with rayn and austin. GGTeMpLaR 03-04-2014 12:23 PM ET (US) ya me too anyways ill post some shit later don't stay up for me baby VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted 03-04-2014 12:49 PM ET (US) I WOULD talk, except that GG is in here. He's probably scum sooooooooooooo this is tainted. How about this: let's just talk in the thread? We'll use this at night, as intended. justanothertowniePerson was signed in when posted 03-04-2014 12:50 PM ET (US) Deal. VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted 03-04-2014 03:48 PM ET (US) Templar you die if you don't convince me you're town either here or in the thread. Just putting that in here since it's already out there. Honestly, it wasn't me trying to look paranoid or me being paranoid. I thought it would be a good icebreaker and maybe even mildly funny, but VE took it oddly seriously. On March 05 2014 02:26 VisceraEyes wrote: He also did something really scummy in the foundation chat (of which I am a part) in coming in and saying "I know both of you are scum, don't even talk to me" as his very first act. My first reaction to being chosen as one of the foundation thingys was "Hmm I guess I better go check the OP to see if it's possible scum are in here....looks like it's possible, better be careful" and I'm town. My first reaction was NOT that I was certain scum were allowed to be in the Foundation chat. The only people who should feel that way as their first reaction should be scum - because they know scum are allowed in the chat. Actually, the bold was my first reaction too. Which is why I asked before I posted anything. I understand getting voted for lurking too much, but you're picking at straws with that one. Anyways, I'm here for a while - I know thread will have questions about my other reads. TL;DR TL;DR TL;DR - Top town is Robik. Town read on Killing too. 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On March 05 2014 09:40 justanothertownie wrote: Nobody should assume that templar is posting in the qt. He has like 3 posts and there is zero content. Not that VE and me would be using it that much - we agreed on only using it at night. There is no content from either of you in the QT either. I just shared it with everyone though since you weren't interested in shedding any light on the situation. | ||
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-whines about me giving a read on you this is why I'm reading you as a reckless townie | ||
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On March 05 2014 12:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: Didn't GGTeMpLar just call Slam town and mafia? you didn't even read the tl;dr? what part confused you? On March 05 2014 09:32 GGTeMpLaR wrote: TL;DR TL;DR TL;DR - Top town is Robik. Town read on Killing too. Light town on Slam but it's more tentative. Still read Boone as mafia but there's still like 23 hours for me to evaluate shit. | ||
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On March 05 2014 13:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: GGTeMpLaR called you fucking scum and town in the same post and gave two easy other reads with 10010 words and some fancy pictures.. You're not even reading clearly. I was explaining why I had initially voted for him and then stopped voting for him. I clearly concluded I had a light town read on him. go reread my post, which isn't even that big - it's 50% oversized pictures | ||
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On March 05 2014 13:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: So who is mafia? I don't care about your townreads on DM people because it's the easiest thing you can write an essay about. I don't care why you had a scumread on Slam and why you did change your mind. You basically wrote a big post about something that says very little. People I'm currently suspicious of/things that struck me as scummy: Boone - For reasons stated before by myself and others. It's likely she slipped up early on, but I'll need to see more of her reads before I make her my final vote. Some other potential candidates depending on how the day plays out - VE - Early on I thought things like this were weird: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=444554¤tpage=9#171 lot of fluff responding to someone else's question has me a little curious about him early on. Later on his reason for voting me felt forced and weak - very scummy in my eyes. Palmar Lots of fluff posts that _look_ pro-town on the surface without actually contributing to finding scum. It's a lot of asking people to contribute to find scum http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=444554¤tpage=12#240 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=444554¤tpage=13#242 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=444554¤tpage=13#244 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=444554¤tpage=13#245 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=444554¤tpage=13#247 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=444554¤tpage=13#256 (calls him town after a bunch of people already make the read, convenient that you give him that softball and then just agree with him anyways) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=444554¤tpage=13#258 (another useless question asked by you that he answers with a lot of fluff that doesn't actually contribute towards finding scum) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=444554¤tpage=13#260 (not from palmer but another useless question from you. his response is another fluff post but it was a fluff question to begin with. where you went with it is just fluff) Killing sort of pointed similar thoughts in one of his posts, which is why I townread him more (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=444554¤tpage=17#336) [red]You[/r] Your questioning of Palmar was pretty scummy and you not reading my post properly is a little scummy as well, but I somewhat understand the criticism in your current post. I still don't like the early bit, or your fucking vote on me like I'm the best lynch. Dandelion The dumb argument he had with JAT around page 15 and Robik later on felt like mafia just filling the thread arguing useless stuff with stubborn town. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=337&topic_id=444554 Not even accusing him, just lightly throwing suspicion on him. Can't remember if someone else pointed it out or not. I know he's been called a trolly player but this game it's more like a mafia spreading chaos that fills up the thread with confusion and misdirection. | ||
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On March 05 2014 14:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: What's the case against boone and what's the case against Dandel? We need to lynch GGTeMpLaR because he wasn't doing anything and when he was called out for it he wrote a big pile of crap. Apparently there indeed was a buried "i changed my mind on Slam" between all the crap but the point still stands that the post is inceribly hard to read and it says basically nothing. I gave reads I explained reads I explained my thought process Half the town asked me to do it wtf ? I guess you could call the pictures crap if you want to be a stickler but it really wasn't a lot of text or hard to read at all. | ||
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Slam do you honestly still think both that Boone is mafia and that I am mafia with her, or do you just scumread me alone now? I don't even follow your vote anymore. | ||
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On March 05 2014 15:20 Oatsmaster wrote: It fucking blows my mind that people dont think about what they are doing. end of day1 last game I played with you http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=440856¤tpage=58#1144 vs http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=440856¤tpage=58#1147 top 2/4 on my list were scum idgaf | ||
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On March 05 2014 15:19 Oatsmaster wrote: why are you disregarding what people do in favor of calling them scum because fluff clearly = scum? Even your VE read is incorrect, he brought up a great point but its fluff to you? And your dandel read. Why is him bitchfighting with Robik and JAT scummy as opposed to what Robik is doing? I never said fluff=scum But posting a lot of fluff under the guise of it being pro-town is scummy. I don't know if you're talking about VE's accusation against me or the post from him I found suspicious. Robik seems genuinely/stubbornly invested in figuring out the game but is oblivious to how useless his responses are to Dandel b/c he's emotionally invested, whereas Dandel seems a lot more level-headed and rational so you would think he'd be the bigger man and let it go but he eggs it on and encourages it. | ||
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On March 05 2014 15:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: That's like the worst reasoning ever Robik. GGTemPlaR your reads are really bad and contradicting. Vote stands. don't bother explaining ##Unvote ##Vote: Raun | ||
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I'm discrediting your judgment of me by showing it having a poor track record. | ||
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On March 05 2014 15:32 Oatsmaster wrote: You seem to think Palmar is scum because of fluff posts 1-20 and that VE is scum because of this fluff post. I was talking about the post you linked. Why is Dandel more level headed than Robik? regarding Palmar: I guess I'll say it another 3 times. Fluff posts in themselves aren't necessarily scum, but when you pass off fluff as actively pursuing a town agenda/leading town, then it is. Fluff posts in themselves aren't necessarily scum, but when you pass off fluff as actively pursuing a town agenda/leading town, then it is. Fluff posts in themselves aren't necessarily scum, but when you pass off fluff as actively pursuing a town agenda/leading town, then it is. Reading is a very useful a talent toi have. regarding VE : I about 99% sure if you go back to my post, you would see that I said I found it curious, but didn't get a real scumread on him until _____________ happened that had nothing to do with the fluff. Reading is a very useful a talent toi have. regarding Dandel/Robik, it felt like he had more control over himself in the argument and could have stopped if he wanted to whereas Robik was tunneled like an emotional donkey who lost his temper. It was just a more radical version of the Dandel/JAT dispute where Dandel looked like he had more self control as well. | ||
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I said I was showing it had a poor track record. I never made the deductive leap you just made for me, which makes the entire thing absurd and easy to laugh at. | ||
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On March 05 2014 15:46 Oatsmaster wrote: Link posts for the dandel shit man, thats what I was asking. Where has Palmar promoted his 'fluff' posts as being pro town? He never explicitly promoted it as fluff. It was implicit the way he was directing discussion - telling X people they need to do Y, asking people all sort of questions then he himself even admitted he wasn't really giving many reads. | ||
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On March 05 2014 15:53 Oatsmaster wrote: ok cool you cant back up your assumption. So you disagree and think that they both lost their temper and that Dandel wasn't jerking Robik around or that he didn't have the upper hand in that shitfest. | ||
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The first being JAT on page 14/15 where he sort of kept forcing it even though JAT seemed to want to move on: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=444554¤tpage=15#282 - JAT wanting to move on but Dandel continued to egg on him on and troll him for another half-page. | ||
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On March 05 2014 16:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why is me questioning Palmar scummy? You throwing Palmar softballs // useless questions is scummy. | ||
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Then Boone made some really scummy, hyper-defensive posts (like the two I quoted/linked in my picture post) and argued a lot with things like On March 04 2014 15:08 boonetown wrote: you don't know how to read people that you've never played with. which felt like something I'd never hear her say as town in video mafia. It felt like a really scummy way to respond to early pressure, almost like she had a guilty conscience. A town would probably just be like "IDGAF", not get all emotional about it and blame the game/environment with On March 04 2014 15:08 boonetown wrote: I guess I'm not as funny as I thought, and having an opinion that differs from the rest, is seen as scummy here. FML, I should stick to video mafia. | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=444554¤tpage=13#255 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=444554¤tpage=13#260 These questions just went nowhere relevant except that you agreed that Grack is scum if he trolls. | ||
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On March 05 2014 17:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: 1) It's a same question, so you don't actually have questionS which is already a misrepresentation. 2) Palmar gave me an answer that was not scummy and i could follow his train of thought. Now tell me, again, how is my question useless? They lead to nowhere and the only solid conclusion you seemed to draw from them was hardly even related to the question to begin with. On March 04 2014 19:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: We lynch Grackaroni if he decides to troll, no fucking trolling because when he tries to play he is actually good or readable if he is mafia. Honestly, if you're town, it just seemed like you wanted to hear Palmar call you a quality player. You've played with each other before do you really not know each others ideas of who quality players are or not yet? I've never even played with him and I had a decent idea of what he was getting at when he first said to VE "step up or get lynched". Maybe I'm reading too much into it but it literally gave me nothing alignment-indicative from you so it read as useless fluff under the guise of "oh yea well I'm going somewhere with this because I just asked you to clarify again". Except it never went anywhere. | ||
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On March 06 2014 01:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: If killing / Robik flips mafia kill the other one. 100% guaranteed. So is this- On March 06 2014 01:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oh shit, not necessarily, might be GGTeMpLaR too. If there is scum it's Killing, not Robik, because this is the 2nd time Robik has called out Killing on something small in his post that was a good point. On March 06 2014 02:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like i called your smiley read dumb because it is dumb. I also called templar's posts bad because tehy were bad. Hell people even fucking agree with me on that, how the fuck is that "shitting on someone"? Posts that say nothing or posts which are based on bad logic are bad, there is no reason to call them flowers. Town fucking asked for my thought process on the votes on like 6 separate occasions so I gave it. If you don't want bad/useless shit don't fucking ask for it over and over throughout the thread. On March 06 2014 02:19 boonetown wrote: I am going to do this all in the order as I read it.. there are 10 pages to go through, so if this is too long I don't really care at this point. I'm just going to start responding to everything. I have noticed there are now 6 votes on me, and 6 hours to get them off of me. That doesn't leave me much time, so I'm pretty sure I'll end up being the lynch. That being said, I'm going to do everything I can right now to try and make that no happen. Templar, how in the hell do you see a slip? You guys are reaching and grasping at things that aren't there because you WANT me to be mafia, not because I am. There is no world right now, where I am mafia. Because you cracked like it was the first game of mafia as mafia you ever played when you got pinged early on in those first few posts of yours getting hyper-defensive and backlashing against everyone. If you think I WANT you to be mafia, that's absurd. It objectively read as what a mafia would say to me, not town. On March 06 2014 02:19 boonetown wrote: OMFG... I asked him (and he didnt answer by the way) because Templar as town would be the first to admit that what he did was scummy. He would confirm that the way I was reading him was correct, which would in turn allow (as a whole) understand that I'm not just making shit up, I'm reading, paying attention and trying to figure this game out. Actually I did answer and I sympathized with where you/killing/robik were all coming from in your meta scum read on me - However, I explained how that style really doesn't carry over into forum mafia because the voting mechanics are COMPLETELY different and said if you were town you should re-evaluate the meta read because it didn't make sense in this medium. On March 06 2014 02:19 boonetown wrote: I am not, nor have I ever acted scummy in this thread, I might be nervous and I might have no idea what I'm doing (because, HI.. this is my first forum game) but I think I did an okay job. That's bullshit. I sympathized with it being your first game, but your first few posts were scummy and the way you backlashed at everyone for calling it scummy came across as hyper-defensive and just read more scummy. When you started giving actual reads instead of arguing with people "not knowing how to read you", you did a good job, especially in this latest post, I was reading you less and less scummy from your conviction if nothing else. Now that you've claimed it's all moot but now that you're basically confirmed town it's important you townread me so that's my thoughts on the matter. Also, I agree with this 100%: On March 06 2014 02:31 boonetown wrote: oats you're an idiot and that he's been so stupid that he has to be town because a mafia couldn't be that bad Right now I actually still like the VE lynch. I don't like how he reacted to my obvious joke in the QT and I still don't like his reason for voting me. On March 05 2014 02:26 VisceraEyes wrote: He also did something really scummy in the foundation chat (of which I am a part) in coming in and saying "I know both of you are scum, don't even talk to me" as his very first act. My first reaction to being chosen as one of the foundation thingys was "Hmm I guess I better go check the OP to see if it's possible scum are in here....looks like it's possible, better be careful" and I'm town. My first reaction was NOT that I was certain scum were allowed to be in the Foundation chat. The only people who should feel that way as their first reaction should be scum - because they know scum are allowed in the chat. On March 05 2014 07:11 VisceraEyes wrote: At any rate, now that I look townie to you what do you think of GGTemp as a lynch? I'm pushing it not as an inactivity policy lynch, but based on the things he's said in the QT. I understand that's not super helpful to you, but considering what he HAS done in the thread, I can't imagine you opposing it. After I linked the actual QT thread info, do you guys honestly think what is in there is a viable reason to scumread/lynch someone? I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to killing austin today, but I wouldn't really endorse it either. If that's too tentative for you, deal with it, but I haven't really focused on him at all so he's pretty much dead-middle-null for me. Another lynch that is actually growing on me is the Killing one, specifically for two things Robik pointed out in his posts on two separate occasions which were really dumb 1. On March 05 2014 04:55 IAmRobik wrote: Really? This is like the easiest thing in the world to do as mafia to get town credit if Dandelion and I are both town. This should be role neutral at best. 2. On March 06 2014 02:13 IAmRobik wrote: There's a contradiction in the bolded parts. You say that her play is off and you can't get a good feel on whether she is maf or town, but that you lean scum on her (by the end of that bolded paragraph), but then you list her under "STRONG MAF" reads. I am so wishy-washy on Boone right now, I think having her as "strong maf" is quite the stretch. Also, I still like my behavioral read of Dandelion this game trying to troll town (JAT/Robik) and cause chaos/confusion/misdirection. Those are really the 4 people I'm okay with voting today. If I had to prioritize them, it would be like this VE Dandelion Killing Austin Rayn/Oats need to work on reading comprehension but I can't really scumread them for constantly misreading my posts. Especially you Rayn, you read me right the past 2 games I played with you. If you're actually town you need to get off me. Still like Robik as my top town but I also like Grack a lot for being the only other person besides myself to call out VE on that QT shit. | ||
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On March 06 2014 04:21 austinmcc wrote: VE and GGTemplar both. Why is that particular contradiction in Boone's filter super telling? THIS QUESTION SOUNDS DUMB BUT IT IS REAL. I would prefer you talk a little more about Killing, or more about that one contradiction, rather than just mention it and justify yourselves off that. In-of-itself it isn't _super_ telling, but it's the second time he gave some well thought out reads I thought, then threw a weak conclusion at the end. Like he spent the time fabricating some arguments only to realize at the end that there was a ??? premise before the conclusion so he just pulled a | ||
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On March 06 2014 04:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay now a serious question, is anyone entertaining the possibility of boone fakeclaiming here? unless you want to lynch her today it's best to not talk about it | ||
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On March 06 2014 04:36 austinmcc wrote: I didn't get anything super enlightening from VE or GGTemplar's responses to my question  k in the future I'll be sure to use "premise ??? conclusion" arguments around you because I know you won't scumread me for them | ||
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On March 06 2014 05:03 austinmcc wrote: Voting killing. I wish he were around to speak, hope he returns. GG does happy things in his filter, like calling out slam, in his own way, and ... continuing some trains of thoughts/arguments in ways that are alright with me (i made this big post, did you read it? Could you read it, apart from the pictures? Palmar is scummy for fluff. No not all fluff, specific fluff. No, specific fluff. SPECIFIC TYPES OF FLUFF ARE SCUMMY TO ME. poking at rayn for a while, etc) let's be real here, I literally said that in the beginning. It's not my fault he can't read. Look at the bold [QUOTE]On March 05 2014 14:49 GGTeMpLaR wrote: [QUOTE]On March 05 2014 13:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: [QUOTE]On March 05 2014 13:40 GGTeMpLaR wrote: [QUOTE]On March 05 2014 13:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: GGTeMpLaR called you fucking scum and town in the same post and gave two easy other reads with 10010 words and some fancy pictures..[/QUOTE] Palmar Lots of fluff posts that _look_ pro-town on the surface without actually contributing to finding scum. It's a lot of asking people to contribute to find scum [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=444554¤tpage=12#240]http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=444554¤tpage=12#240[/url] [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=444554¤tpage=13#242]http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=444554¤tpage=13#242[/url] [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=444554¤tpage=13#244]http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=444554¤tpage=13#244[/url] [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=444554¤tpage=13#245]http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=444554¤tpage=13#245[/url] [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=444554¤tpage=13#247]http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=444554¤tpage=13#247[/url] [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=444554¤tpage=13#256]http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=444554¤tpage=13#256[/url] (calls him town after a bunch of people already make the read, convenient that you give him that softball and then just agree with him anyways) [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=444554¤tpage=13#258]http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=444554¤tpage=13#258[/url] (another useless question asked by you that he answers with a lot of fluff that doesn't actually contribute towards finding scum) [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=444554¤tpage=13#260]http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=444554¤tpage=13#260[/url] (not from palmer but another useless question from you. his response is another fluff post but it was a fluff question to begin with. where you went with it is just fluff) [/QUOTE] | ||
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I said it from the beginning. People didn't read it and spewed straw man fallacy shit to make me repeat myself | ||
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On March 06 2014 05:22 justanothertownie wrote: Sounds reasonable. I am ok with either of them dead. that's alright, I'm ok with you dead too. | ||
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On March 06 2014 05:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: Kill for this post. Kill fo this post!!!!!! Killing was green earlier! Now when he is a lynch target he is scum. Kill kill kill!!! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning-Kruger sums up your life on the forums | ||
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##Vote: Rayn not even kidding this kid is supposed to be good as town and he sucks this game so he's mafia call it OMGUS all you want, IDGAF. He's inconsistent in his criticism of me and has tunnel'd me over the dumbest shit and he doesn't even read my posts properly and asks like a million stupid questions that he wouldn't have to if he just read proper english | ||
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On March 06 2014 05:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: "Incapable of answering arguments" would describe you you fucking asshat! I adon't even feel bad saying this because you do that as mafia. Guy calls me scum with no reason. I retort, you call me out on having no argument. #logic get out scum | ||
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On March 06 2014 05:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: l2play idiot http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning_kruger_effect | ||
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-guys stops calling him town and calling him mafia instead- -guy must be scum- ~RAYN LOGIC~ ![[image loading]](https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/t1/429924_360512757304986_396534991_n.jpg) | ||
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On March 06 2014 05:43 VisceraEyes wrote: Someone make a case on me if these votes are not troll votes. You already know why I'm voting for you | ||
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On March 06 2014 06:00 boonetown wrote: I'm so fucking confused this game, and i hate you all. My reads are literally changing by the minute and I hate it, I feel like a flip flopping fool right now. I dont think Killing or templar are mafia. Did you read his last post alignment indicative at all? | ||
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On March 06 2014 06:22 IAmRobik wrote: Mattchew: I learned how to play the game from Palmar Me: Oh, I'm excited to play with Palmar Palmar: Fuck this game. A+ maybe you should stop voting the guy who isn't going to get lynched today and make your vote useful so your townread doesn't get misslynched | ||
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On March 06 2014 06:32 boonetown wrote: when have you ever seen joey so vulnerable and willing to admit his faults? i think i've only seen it once, and he was town who realized he was super fucking wrong on everything. Well since you're actually not reading me more town than him, I'll just say that he wasn't really vulnerable/admitting his faults here He basically just said: ![[image loading]](http://www.openbooktoronto.com/sites/default/files/obt/illustrations/I%20have%20no%20idea.jpg) and tossed all his reads out the window without giving any new ones | ||
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On March 06 2014 07:13 justanothertownie wrote: Also, Templar if you would be so kind to give me a short summary of your reads right now (even a list) that would be great. Boone Robik Grack Slam Oats/Palmar/Killing/JAT/Austin Rayn Dandel VE | ||
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On March 06 2014 07:54 Dandel Ion wrote: I'll believe it when I see it. For the record, since nights are silence, if you're not lynched I'm so shooting you dead. Or maybe Robik. idc you're both scum it shouldn't matter too much. that's ok if you're vig and shoot me I'll just laugh at you for being bad | ||
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On March 07 2014 08:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: All this doesn't really line up with "VE was a terrible lynch and Killing so good lynch!" see, I actually like you when you're not voting me over dumb shit. anyways, I'll be the first to say I'm genuinely shocked VE flipped town but I guess he was really busy on at the end of the day or something because he didn't really do anything to deter his lynch. I talked some in the QT topic at night with JAT and he's a town read right now. I don't really put much faith in a world where both he and Dandel are mafia together (mostly cause their stupid argument d1) and the points he brought up for why I should interpret Dandel as town in the QT really made a lot of sense to me, so if he's mafia defending town here with good logic for no reason, then he's got me fooled - for now. If someone thinks I'm reading too much into our QT convo then you can try to convince me otherwise, but right now I townread both JAT and Dandel[/green] based on our QT convo. Boone's (VE's) case on me (regarding the QT) is horrible and no different than when VE made it to begin with. I refuted it before, VE never said anything about it, then grack brought up the same refutation and VE still never said anything about it. Now Boone is bringing it back up again and STILL hasn't mentioned the refutation originally made by myself, then brought up again by Grack (who she null reads now - maybe significant, maybe not). I was literally the first to say I play forum/video mafia differently before so idk why she's bringing that up, and now she's going back to it again and accusing me of "playing up paranoia to get townread by DM players". I haven't even done anything paranoid this game. Her point against Palmer is odd because On March 07 2014 08:37 boonetown wrote: I want to believe this is true so much. I had Palmar down as a scum read but he seemed to "i dont care about this anymore, goodbye" toward the end, that it worried me he was just a pissed off towny. Can anyone explain to me if he should have been reading VE as town this game or not, do they typically have good reads on each other? Furthermore, does Palmar usually refuse to play the game when he's frustrated? mafia tend to ask more questions than they answer. That's what Boone is doing here, casting light suspicion on Palmar. She's not expressing hard interest in lynching him today as she's already saying it's between myself/killing, so why cast this vague suspicion on Palmar? Her accusation is mostly that he is trying to policy lynch people / being BM. also, more importantly, how am I the first person to bring up boone not dying after she hardclaimed medic? someone explain this to me. I feel dumb for townreading Grack d1. I loved his point that he made against VE because I made the same point. because I made the same point. So yes I liked him siding with me against VE, but it was literally a sheep read and now with VE flipping town, it looks even worse, especially when he pushed so hard on VE. Killing's post here is useless - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/444554-foundation-mafia?page=72#1434 I don't know why a vigi didn't shoot him, at the very least, to get information from the votes, since he literally had 0 content at the end of the day anyways because he scrapped it all. Robik feels like he's forcing the tunnel BM out now, I revoke my townread on him. tl;dr Dandelion JAT Kinda like Palmar/Slam still Like Boone/Killing/Robik a lot less, there's probably at least one mafia in them but I don't know who it is yet. Oats isn't even in the game. a lot of people liked him day1 but I didn't like how he kept straw manning my points because he's bad at reading Grack - like grack a lot less. he did nothing except sheep my read against VE and used it to force a misslynch still don't like Rayn. He's not even trying to argue I'm scum anymore he just linked two filters and said "if you read these templar is mafia" I encourage everyone to read them and determine for yourself that Rayn is being bad or mafia If I had a hammer right now I would bop Rayn like a fucking goomba. | ||
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On March 07 2014 10:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: Apparently video mafia players just OMGUS people. yep I totally OMGUS'd slam the entire game | ||
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On March 07 2014 10:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: I like this point the most: "I thought Grackaroni said something good but now that he was wrong it was not good but scummy instead. I did the same thing but me totes town of course". Logic! this is why you're mafia - you've straw manned me the entire game. idk if it's a language barrier thing but you're probably just mafia The thing is he just sheeped it off of me and used it to propel forward a VE misslynch. | ||
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On March 07 2014 10:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: Grackaroni used your argument to push a lynch on VE (something you failed to do yourself). that suddenly makes Grackaroni more likely to be mafia. being wrong does not make anyone mafia. You are basically arguing that your argument was bad in the first place /get dunked kid Yes Grack sheeped it to push a misslynch on VE. Yes it makes him more likely to be mafia. You're right being wrong doesn't make you mafia My argument wasn't bad, his argument was bad. I refuted it. He never responded. All the useless//irrelevant filler striked out leaves your argument making literally no fucking sense. You are scum who makes no fucking sense. If you were town you wouldn't be this retarded. | ||
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On March 07 2014 11:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: Stop with your bullshit staw man shit already. The only thing you are able to do as mafia is discrediting other people for no good reasons as you do in this game. That's something that should be quite clear for anyone who reads the Really Small mafia game filter of yours. You just described yourself. Everyone should read the filters you linked because nothing about them makes me mafia. Your arguments suck. | ||
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On March 07 2014 11:24 boonetown wrote: Templar, I am telling you my claim is real and I have no idea why I am alive unless they want to meta this. Furthermore, where did I use VE talking about you and the QT as a case against you? In fact, where have I called you mafia at all? All i'm saying is that I need to adjust the way I read you because I wasn't expecting your video/forum games to be this different, or getting a read on you to be so hard. Yes I think you are being paranoid, and the shit you did at the beginning with the votes was hella weird. I think that's a pretty general consensus tho. On March 07 2014 08:37 boonetown wrote: The bolded part at first, felt to me like he was trying to look for something in templar to show us templar was mafia, now that i know VE is town, this is way more valid of a point. I am going to take what he says about Templar more highly than my own read on him at this point. I think templar probably plays his forum mafia and video mafia very different and knowing that myself, killing and robik are in this game, he might play up his paranoia to get us to read him as town. If that's the case, screw you templar. After he wrote this, Templar did his big ol' thread of pictures and reads on the DM people. IMO, if templar is mafia, the other DM people are likely all town. Why do I say this? If templar was mafia with someone from DM he wouldn't go out of his way to only read us as a priority over other players with little about anyone else, because we are well aware that he's played forum mafia before. He should be able to help us with reading a few of the TL players. Bold answers the bold. Then later on in the same post you said "this is about killing vs templar at this point" with regards to calling me mafia. Maybe you didn't mean that but it sure as hell looked like you meant "killing vs templar as the lynch for today" Can you cite any example of how I have been paranoid this game? | ||
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On March 07 2014 23:29 IAmRobik wrote: I'm about to lose my shit. On March 07 2014 23:34 IAmRobik wrote: At this point, the Joey lynch should just be fucking standard. It provides us with the most information. On March 07 2014 23:36 IAmRobik wrote: On March 07 2014 23:39 IAmRobik wrote: YOUR CASE ON ME IS ABSOLUTELY FUCKING BONKERS NONSENSICAL AND I CANNOT SEE IT COMING FROM AN INTELLIGENT HUMAN BEING UNLESS YOU'RE SCUM TRYING TO PICK AT THE SMALLEST DETAILS. YOU SAID THAT I WAS PUSHING FOR ANOTHER "MISLYNCH IN KILLING". THE ONLY THING I KNOW IS THAT YOU SWITCHED YOUR VOTE AT THE FUCKING LAST SECOND AND ACTUALLY GOT SOMEONE MISLYNCHED. HOW DOES THAT MAKE ME MORE SCUM THAN YOU WHO VOTED FOR SOMEONE WITHOUT TALKING ABOUT THEM ALL FUCKING DAY, AS OPPOSED TO ME VOTING FOR JOEY WHO I POINTED OUT AS BEING SCUMMY FOR MUCH OF DAY 1. GO BACK TO TYPING GIBBERISH. IT'S MORE USEFUL AND MAKES MORE SENSE THAN WHEN YOU TYPE IN ENGLISH. So the only actual content in all of those in response to Dandel's case is that you think we should lynch Joey for information. The rest is fluff/bm/yelling. I think it's very possible you've been overacting this game for DM people to townread you. On March 08 2014 01:41 IAmRobik wrote: that's fine. that's what's i'm willing to do each and every day to fulfill my participation quota. i don't give a fuck if it's bm. i think that that's the best course of action to help town win. every day is gonna be the same bullshit with both of us in this game. get rid of one of us and town has a better shot to win, thus i'm actively trying to fulfill my win condition, no matter if he's town or scum. he's gotten under my skin so much that i'm UNWILLING to reread another fucking thing. Like...I was rereading austin for his reads so that maybe we can garner something from them...but like. that's it. I'm past my final straw. So you can't even blame anyone else if you get 'misslynched' at this point. You've stopped playing the game and 80% of your posts are BM fluff/threats/insults. If this were video mafia, maybe I could get a town read on you for acting like this because it's not something you can fake as mafia on cam, but it's just way too easy for you to fake here and thinking you can rely on it as if I should townread you from it isn't gonna fly. On March 08 2014 02:38 IAmRobik wrote: OH LOOK. ANOTHER BLATANT CONTRADICTION FROM JOEY, unless he considers the 5 words that are said in EM as "text mafia" LOLOLOL It's like you're grasping for straws here. I don't see any planet where a contradiction like this makes someone scum, it's just like picking at semantics. On March 08 2014 03:19 IAmRobik wrote: I'VE BEEN PUSHING PEOPLE THE WHOLE FUCKING TIME. I DIDN'T EVEN WANT TO FUCKING VOTE DANDELION TODAY. HE'S PROLLY JUST A BAD PLAYER WHO RANDED TOWN. LIKE WTF ARE YOU EVEN SAYING. I want to lynch Joey today. I think Joey is mafia. I've been saying this for 2 days now. It's the first thing I said. I'VE BEEN TRYING TO AVOID DANDELION...but like he's too fucking ASEFNOASDIFNASODFINASDOIFNASD;FNI!!!!! he's pushing my fucking buttons cause he has nothing better to do with his fucking life than come into games and purposefully troll and annoy and irritate. THAT is why I want one of us dead. Like honestly, if I get mislynched this game, I won't even give 2 shits cause I'm THAT annoyed with this game. On March 08 2014 04:37 IAmRobik wrote: 1) VisceraEyes - dead town 2) Killing - prolly maf 3) Alakaslam - unsure...leaning scummy because of the early troll game 4) Palmar - leaning scummy 5) boonetown - medic or scum 6) Dandel Ion - prolly a town who is so blatantly misguided it hurts 7) raynpelikoneet - lean scum 8) Grackaroni - haven't paid any attention to him...would reread 9) IAmRobik - 100% unequivocally town. This read is 100% right. I assure you. If you think otherwise you're wrong 10) austinmcc - dead town 11) justanothertownie - one of my top town 12) Oatsmaster - another one of my top town 13) GGTeMpLaR - leaning town, but i really need to reread his long posts again. There is a lot of information in there to process If you're town and you think Dandel is probably town stop fucking voting him and vote for someone you think is scum. | ||
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On March 08 2014 04:49 IAmRobik wrote: I have a theory that people who use emoticons at the beginning of the game are more likely to be scum. How come you never brought this up? | ||
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On March 08 2014 13:49 Oatsmaster wrote: lol. Grack is highly suspicious for trying to lynch Alak, a well known player who plays vastly different town and scum games. Hes town this game. Can rayn/palmar/JAT/dandel/Grack confirm this? The time capsule said he's impossible to read | ||
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On March 09 2014 00:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: EBWOP: And i was not calling your second reason bullshit (while i think it's a bad reason), i was calling the evolution of your posts and how you ended up from the first one to the second one bullshit. Like: "grack mafia because x" "but that's not true" "oh yeah, but hey, grack still mafia because of y" It looks more like you are making things up on the fly and have decided to call Grack mafia before you have the reasons, because if you had a legit scumread you had given the reason y in the first place if that makes him mafia. If anything it looked more townie to me. Mafia in that situation has a perfect excuse to stop pushing the controversial scumread he made and be like "oh my bad, oops. okay nevermind". Him sticking to the read after that "easy out" pops up, even though he knows he's getting shit for it, is honest. is this a bad analysis on my part? (not specifically directed at rayn) On March 09 2014 00:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oats is probably mafia. He knows me better than this. On March 09 2014 02:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: Palmar you are either scum or playing a really bad game if you seriously consider that i am mafia. DAT OMGUS LOL THE IRONY are you roleclaiming Robik today bruh? Anyways - Town: [g]JAT Dandel Oats[/g] Slam for today (based mostly on you guys vouching for him so hard) Boone (based on her roleclaim) Everyone else - Robik Grack Palmar Rayn Killing I could be swayed to lynch pretty much anyone not in the town list, but I'd prefer [r]Killing/[r] over anyone. He just hasn't fulfilled any of the promises he's made to find scum this game, he's made several little small errors that I pointed out D1, and his large post had a really weird argument in it that doesn't make sense to me - On March 08 2014 02:24 Killing wrote: 2) Grackaroni Bang! Just like that, I'm not mafia. I'm strongly suspicious that Grackaroni thought I was a super weak player that he could easily sweep in and pocket for the coming days. Considering he was one of the first ( along with boone ) to come to my rescue, I think he thought I'd be in his pocket for the rest of the game. I mean, Why save a drowning low hanging fruit? I think that coupled with his lack of content, makes him a prime suspect for me. So if it was just "See how easy Grack flopped his scum read on me to town? He gave no reasons for it", that would make a lot more sense to me but then he goes on this fucking theory that Grack is doing it specifically to "pocket him for future days" so he can use Killing like a puppet. wtf? It's also kinda weird how he presumes will alive for future days when he was literally one vote away from getting lynched, and that Grack would try to pocket someone who is literally on the edge of the cliff anyways. Why would he as mafia waste time pocketing you and drawing attention to himself? This isn't the first time Killing has made weird reads either (like his townread D1 on whoever was trying to break up a fight that he sort of just threw out there) That being said, I'd still approve of a [r]Rayn[/r] lynch as well. He's hypocritical as fuck with accusing me of OMGUS shit and I didn't like his interactions with Oats/JAT today. Also, it's the second time he's hard defended Grack against people calling him scummy and literally gone nuts about it when Grack isn't even really on the lynch platform. Still think there's a better case against Killing though. ##Vote: Killing | ||
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boonetown 03-08-2014 02:49 AM ET (US) Well, i'm pretty sure templar is town, not so sure about you Alaka... but you can share this QT whenever you want. 34 GGTeMpLaR 03-08-2014 12:43 AM ET (US) the only people i omgus'd this game were oats and JAT d1 and it lasted all of like 15 minutes 33 GGTeMpLaR 03-08-2014 12:42 AM ET (US) and it wasnt omgus 32 GGTeMpLaR 03-08-2014 12:40 AM ET (US) idc 31 Alakaslam 03-08-2014 12:38 AM ET (US) So when do y'all want to share this? I strongly feel this one is a town circle. 30 Alakaslam 03-08-2014 12:35 AM ET (US) Well At least your OMGUS leads me to townread you. 29 GGTeMpLaR 03-08-2014 12:33 AM ET (US) ye prob cuz ur maf 28 Alakaslam 03-08-2014 12:31 AM ET (US) Why? I haven't had such a blast in a long time on TL mafia 27 GGTeMpLaR 03-07-2014 11:39 PM ET (US) idk this game is fucking dumb 26 Alakaslam 03-07-2014 09:27 PM ET (US) Btw What is up with robikus, he goes HIJOLE CHINGA TODOS MADRES ÁNDALE PUES PINCHI VATO and then he is like "In other news, Alakaslam is town because he misread Boone earlier day one. The Dow jones industrial average fell sharply today after a week of heavy trading. This business commentary is brought to you by EF100. When EF100 talks, people listen." What is this 25 Alakaslam 03-07-2014 09:24 PM ET (US) No, I'm busy. I be work a lot, it is te curse. The curse is be absent get lynched. But I am now far from absent so geroff mee! 24 GGTeMpLaR 03-07-2014 08:53 PM ET (US) ur mafia 23 Alakaslam 03-07-2014 08:43 PM ET (US) Who is what when where WASSUP who are is who 22 Alakaslam 03-07-2014 08:43 PM ET (US) QT likes to kick me man. Hijole 21 boonetown 03-07-2014 12:51 PM ET (US) oh shit, hi... so I'm pretty bad at checking my private messages and just realized i was in this, sorry. templar I didn't forget what i wrote, what i said you took out of context. seems to be what happens in forum games. i'll get used to it. 20 Alakaslam 03-06-2014 09:40 PM ET (US) A little scummy and clever. This is captain hindsight, I have thought very scummy in the past 19 GGTeMpLaR 03-06-2014 09:33 PM ET (US) how would you describe my play this game alakaslam? 18 GGTeMpLaR 03-06-2014 09:32 PM ET (US) no, just boone forgetting what she put in her own post and me bolding it to remind her 17 Alakaslam 03-06-2014 09:28 PM ET (US) I am watching you and coaching ppl. QT hopping basically. Heck has something finally happened in the thread? 16 GGTeMpLaR 03-06-2014 09:24 PM ET (US) slam what are u even doing can u be more like early day1 15 Alakaslam 03-06-2014 09:10 PM ET (US) This is pure wifom 14 GGTeMpLaR 03-06-2014 07:59 PM ET (US) VE was a decent lynch b/c he made a dumb case against me and then when I refuted it he never responded to it at all, then grack pointed it out too and he still never responded to it. the second half of the day he was lazy and didn't do anything to deter his lynch at the end. especially after specific people said they would vote him if he wasn't active 13 Alakaslam 03-06-2014 07:57 PM ET (US) Also, at 2:something I got a phone call. (See XKCD Thread photo; "work hours") lasted through 3. 12 Alakaslam 03-06-2014 07:56 PM ET (US) Useless?! Like VE you mean. I see the foundation guy SVENGALI you, my vote was on Austin, my town scum read. 11 GGTeMpLaR 03-06-2014 07:54 PM ET (US) hey im writing it now bruh CHILL also why were you MIA during the end of the day with your vote on someone useless 10 Alakaslam 03-06-2014 07:53 PM ET (US) YOUUUUYUUUUUUUUU!!!!!! THUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!!!!!!!!! 9 Alakaslam 03-06-2014 07:50 PM ET (US) POST HERE! WHAT DID YOU THINK WAS SCUM QT?!? TUNNEL OF THUU UPON THEE!!! 8 Alakaslam 03-06-2014 07:50 PM ET (US) YOU! POST IN THREAD 7 Alakaslam 03-06-2014 07:48 PM ET (US) Defense thyself! 6 Alakaslam 03-06-2014 07:48 PM ET (US) Finally 5 GGTeMpLaR 03-06-2014 07:43 PM ET (US) WTF LOL 4 Alakaslam 03-06-2014 07:34 PM ET (US) Well, herein are contained the musings of Alakaslam. 3 Alakaslam 03-06-2014 07:03 PM ET (US) What, low quality of qt got ya down? Heck y'all should know, I troll a lot less In QTs. 2 Alakaslam 03-06-2014 06:35 PM ET (US) I'm not going to ask who you medic boonetown. GGTEMPLAR DEFENSE THYSELF | ||
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On March 09 2014 03:33 justanothertownie wrote: Wait, what? How come you are ok with his list? He thinks oats and I are town. | ||
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On March 09 2014 04:18 IAmRobik wrote: What the fuck did Templar just post. the D2 mason QT | ||
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On March 09 2014 04:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: GGTeMpLaR i thought you said you don't know if Killing is town or not. If i am your top scumread why are you voting for the dude your top scumread is voting for? I can't get past the fact that you can't read. it's a dealbreaker man | ||
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[QUOTE]On March 09 2014 00:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: That being said, I'd still approve of a [r]Rayn[/r] lynch as well. He's hypocritical as fuck with accusing me of OMGUS shit and I didn't like his interactions with Oats/JAT today. Also, it's the second time he's hard defended Grack against people calling him scummy and literally gone nuts about it when Grack isn't even really on the lynch platform. Still think there's a better case against Killing though. [/QUOTE] | ||
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On March 09 2014 04:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: So you think i am bussing him? it's possible maybe one of you is town right now Killing is a better lynch than you IMO but I would swap to you in a heartbeat if it was between you and anyone else today | ||
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On March 09 2014 05:55 IAmRobik wrote: If Joey flips town, then there's no reason for Palmar to make himself look scummier by flopping from Joey to VE at the very end. I don't think you can townread him over this as Palmar can still be scum if Killing flips town and there are reasons he would do what he did as scum. Killing is the lynch target Killing votes on VE, making him the new lynch target. Palmar votes on VE, then flops his vote to Killing (VE will still be the lynch target) Then some additional votes pile on to Killing from JAT/Robik, making him the new lynch target so Palmar swaps back to VE (although Killing will still be lynched after this swap) Dandel then hammers, making the VE lynch go through with Palmar. *Hypothetically assume Killing is town/Palmar scum- Knowing that VE/Killing are town, Palmar voting on Killing when VE was set to be the lynch could be him not wanting to be voting for the town flip if he expects the VE lynch to still occur. This could explain why he flops back to VE when Killing becomes the new standard lynch. The play makes perfect sense because Palmar is just trying to make sure he isn't voting for whoever is lynched because he knows they are both town and it doesn't look good when you vote for town. He probably didn't expect the last second Dandel vote. tl;dr - I don't think you can deduce much from Palmar's alignment based on Killing's with regards to how Palmar voted at the end. To say he would have no motivations for doing what he did as a scum is wrong. | ||
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On March 09 2014 06:25 IAmRobik wrote: Well thats where we disagree. My goal isnt to make a good case ok anyone. My goal is to lynch scum. Idgaf how it happens if it happens. If I make a good case on someone for being scum and that person flips town, that's not beneficial for town. you know you're wrong when I'm saying Rayn is actually right. having good reads doesn't mean shit if you can't convince anyone of them not that this has anything to do with the game | ||
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On March 09 2014 07:44 Killing wrote: Oh dear. no more tears only dreams | ||
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On March 06 2014 05:20 Grackaroni wrote: I'm basically just sheeping between the two. Austin and Robik pointed out some strange contradictions from killing's reads and I put some faith in Boone's reads of the DM players. On March 06 2014 05:30 Grackaroni wrote: Mafia (especially newer players) aren't so blatant like that and they are scared as shit of saying something like "I was just making up bullshit" On March 06 2014 05:32 Grackaroni wrote: ##Unvote: Killing ##Vote: VisceraEyes On March 06 2014 05:33 Grackaroni wrote: You guys got to trust me on this one. On March 06 2014 07:35 Grackaroni wrote: Austin I know that Killing is being useless but that really isn't how scum plays. On March 09 2014 03:35 GGTeMpLaR wrote: So if it was just "See how easy Grack flopped his scum read on me to town? He gave no reasons for it", that would make a lot more sense to me but then he goes on this fucking theory that Grack is doing it specifically to "pocket him for future days" so he can use Killing like a puppet. wtf? It's also kinda weird how he presumes will alive for future days when he was literally one vote away from getting lynched, and that Grack would try to pocket someone who is literally on the edge of the cliff anyways. Why would he as mafia waste time pocketing you and drawing attention to himself? This isn't the first time Killing has made weird reads either (like his townread D1 on whoever was trying to break up a fight that he sort of just threw out there) Weak ass argument because it was against his own partner. Grack defended him D1 and pushed VE as an alternative lynch off Killing. Killing tried to bus Grack before it was set in stone that he was the lynch for the day (top scum read town, second scum buses his partner who isn't really in any danger of getting lynched - classic) still think he's town now Rayn? ##Vote: Grack | ||
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GGTeMpLaR 03-06-2014 03:05 PM ET (US) yea you make a good point actually.. if Dandel is mafia he can leave his vote on me and not get suspicion for hammering VE. The only way it really makes a lot of sense is if Killing is mafia with Dandel and then he accomplishes 2 things - 1. saving his partner and 2. lynching a strong town player from the D1 QT where JAT convinced me that Dandel is likely town justanothertowniePerson was signed in when posted 03-06-2014 03:09 PM ET (US) Yep. But in this case it is still really really bold to do. Mafia seldom save their buddies in a manner this obvious because it fucks them in the long run. I mean killing will die soon (one way or the other) and then dandel will not be in good shape. JAT you still hold true to Dandel being town in light of the Killing flip? | ||
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Boone called Grack/Dandel scum yesterday (with myself as a possible fourth) and has been defending Rayn a lot. If she really nailed it there mafia would have certainly killed her in the night (no reason not to hit two birds with one stone) Oats was leaning more scummy on Rayn by the end of the day. this is just from skimming their filters/reads what stood out to me as being different. JAT go back to the filters for me and analyze why oats died over boone | ||
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On March 10 2014 08:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: Anyone who thinks i would kill Oats as scum is retarded. any other reads that are actually useful? | ||
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On March 10 2014 09:06 justanothertownie wrote: Templar is rng'ing pretty well. ? | ||
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On March 10 2014 08:45 boonetown wrote: I think the lynch order is grack/dandel as 1 & 2, i'll vote on JAT 3rd and Rayn 4th, I have waivered on Palmer and Rayn in the night based on the way Rayn Said: about the killing lynch. that seemed like someone trying to make sure they let everyone know they were FOR the lynch despite the fact that Rayn was all about templar/robert prior. This is really weird for me. You, as the medic, had Grack/Dandel as most likely mafia with Joey yesterday. Mafia Grack/Dandel didn't kill you, as the medic, who also correctly called out the scum team. If I were medic living through the night AGAIN I would seriously start questioning my reads or something (barring the scenario of them WIFOMing more than anyone else has WIFOM'd before, I would think my reads were completely wrong). You say you're getting paranoid but your lynch order still hasn't changed, you just start reading Rayn/Palmar more scummily. I'm starting to think it could be Boone with one of Palmar or Rayn right now. I don't have a lynch target yet a lot of people are suspicious / doing nothing for me right now. The only people I wouldn't lynch right now are Slam/JAT. | ||
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On March 10 2014 18:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: One of templar/robik is mafia. I am really really sure of it. -No support for bold assumption 1. -Strikethrough is plain wrong. Yes I have been defensive but I have most certainly acted proactively this game and questioned several people. You were fairly defensive yesterday as well (basically OMGUS'd two people) - which I called you out on - (One of which was against Oats who called you scummy, me towny, and is now dead. Your response was "ha you think I'd ever nightkill Oats?", when a lot of people thought Oats played well this game. You just laughed like it was another shitty read of mine (Grack did too). -Bold 2 is, ironically, a textbook definition of "flinging shit". Do I need to say any more? -Underline: actually I was under the impression that there were four mafia at the time, not three, hence my lists of four on D1. I have no idea what you mean by my stance on Killing being "fishy", lost my townread on him D1 and began scumreading him by the end of D1. -Next strikethrough literally false information. I do not remember EVER calling Killing "not mafia" on D2. I skimmed my own filter and did not find it. Can you point me to where I said this on D2 or are you literally just making shit up now to bury me? Further, I did push my scumread on Killing and I didn't "just sheep your vote". I gave a unique argument no one brought up before that I felt like was even further reason to kill him at http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/444554-foundation-mafia?page=97#1934 . The last bit - I still don't know what your 'brilliant' case against me is from D1. Half of your accusations against me D1 were straw man arguments because you kept misinterpreting what I was saying//making faulty assumptions due to poor reading comprehension, or trying to force something as scum. On March 10 2014 19:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: D1: At the start of the game templar has Killing as town because he pointed out good stuff on Palmar. A bit later templar changes his read on killing to be scum because of what robik said. Grackaroni is strong town because he realized same stuff templar did about VE and pushes his lynch. In the end of D1 Killing is back to being mafia "in case scumbuddy flips at least i called him scum". D2: At the start of the day Dandel gets a townread for what JAT said in QT. Grackaroni is mafia because he pushed VE lynch for stuff templar thought was good aswell!!!!!!! HAHAHAHA! templar points out more evidence for Killing being mafia, but likes Boone/Killing/Robik a lot less, there's probably at least one mafia in them but doesn't know who it is yet. This makes no sense given his stance on them EOD1. He calls boone mafia because boone is casting light suspicion on Palmar but not trying to lynch him. Notice templar's top scumread has been me throughout the game, and he has shown no interest in building a case on me nor convincing anyone to vote for me. Then he votes for Slam out of nowhere, "because he has done nothing but troll". But this is what he said a while back; "Kinda like Palmar/Slam still". He asks a couple of people about their stance on Slam. He points out Palmar's alignment is not necessarily related to Killing's or that we can't deduce Palmar's alignment based on Killing's. D3: Votes for Grack because Grack defended Killing on D1 and pushed VE lynch instead. Says "(just to make it more clear, Killing had 2 scum yesterday, Robik was his top scumread, Grack was his second. his reasoning on Grack was weird/awkward as hell)". This should point into Grack being town because if mafia's reasoning for someone to be mafia is awkward it's more likely they can't come up with a good reasoning because the target is town. As mafia it's easy to make a case on mafia because you already know the other person is mafia. So this reasoning is pure bullshit. Suddenly Dandel is scum again because Grack is scum too and templar "can see them both being mafia with Killing". Boone could be mafia because she called Grack/Dandel scum yesterday (with myself as a possible fourth) and has been defending Rayn a lot. If she really nailed it there mafia would have certainly killed her in the night (no reason not to hit two birds with one stone). Ends up voting for Palmar. ##Vote: GGTeMpLaR D1: -Bold part is plain just wrong and fabricated again. I townread Killing based on video mafia meta that he was playing similarly to (which both Robik/Boone also agreed on at the time). His read on Palmar at the time just made me townread him more. -Underline: Robert called him out on good points. I noted them how I felt about them in light of his play here - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/444554-foundation-mafia?page=55#1090 . If you want to talk about weird shit D1, look at these: On March 06 2014 01:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: If killing / Robik flips mafia kill the other one. 100% guaranteed. On March 06 2014 02:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay so templar made a case on me that was really bad and then he gave three town reads. I think that qualifies as not doing anything useful? I would lynch Killing for his posts but i have a hard time believing he went all out on me like that as mafia. On March 06 2014 03:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why are you voting for Killing over ggtemplar? On March 06 2014 05:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: Kill for this post. Kill fo this post!!!!!! Killing was green earlier! Now when he is a lynch target he is scum. Kill kill kill!!! Anyways, back to Rayn's post on me regarding the next strikethrough- More fabricated information - I never said Killing wasn't mafia, he was my second lynch for the day. Boone is the one who said his existential crisis read town, not me. I had very good reasons to vote VE however, especially when he didn't respond to my accusation (or Grack bringing it up again). I trusted Grack because I was pretty convinced VE was mafia at that point as he basically checked out of the game after flopping on me . Italics part is useless "shit flinging" D2: -Underline isn't relevant. Adding fluff statements to his shit to waste my time in breaking down his post. If he thinks Dandel is scum BECAUSE I am scum, he's making pre-flip association reads (which many people have called bad), so I'll ask you be consistent on this stance and be even more harsh on a vet like Rayn doing it who should know better. This also makes it very convenient for him to townread Dandel tomorrow if I get lynched because I'll flip green and his weak ass associative read can get tossed like *that*. -Bold part is shit. he misrepresents the nuance of my argument against Grack being a sheepread. I never pressed hard on Grack or tried to get him lynched though. He never explains why me trusting the DM people less makes no sense. D1 is over, meta reads from video mafia become less relevant and content is going to be the primary motivator for reads at this point. -Don't worry italics, today is dedicated to you now. You are 99% scum at this point. The vast majority of your argument is fabricated because you didn't even bother to reread filters and the rest is assumptions/shit-flinging/hypocrisy. You've done this for three days in a row. Unless you can go supermode like Palmar did today, for me, you're basically -Note the bold, "he asks". I didn't ever question people though, right? You're not even putting effort into this. Also, I don't have a long history with Slam and I need to be reassured that he is town if other people think so because I literally have no idea how to read him. -Strikethrough is literally fabricated/wrong again. In the very same post I make my case against Killing, I say I would rather kill him than Rayn that day. He laughs at me when I say it's possible that he/Killing be mafia together and just sort of tries to bully the thread into the mindset that "I bus'd my own partner there? YEA RIGHT HAHA". Killing literally gave up that day of course an active scum partner is going to bus him at that point, you are in no way shape or form cleared by his flipping scum. -Underline is more useless fluff/statement material that also happens to be fabricated/blatantly false. I said with regards to the specific instance of Robik's analysis of the voting that Palmar's alignment isn't necessarily the same as Killing's. You just extrapolated that into a straw man of "you can't deduce anything about X player's alignment from Y player's alignment" which I am very aware is bullshit 99% of the time and something I would probably never say. D3: -Bold: Knowing someone is mafia or not, as mafia, has nothing to do with how good/bad you can make case against them. Your ability to fabricate a case against someone when you are mafia is going to be based solely on how townie/scummy the person you're making a case against is playing and how well their arguments hold up. Independent of that, I pretty quickly rejected that reasoning based on the night death being Oats over Boone. I was basically thinking out loud in these posts, giving my line of thought as it progressed in the hopes that maybe someone would comment on it or join in on scumhunting with me instead of solving the puzzle as if I'm supposed to townread you more for trying to solve a fking puzzle. The only thing I get from all that now is that Slam is even more town for calling the puzzle which says he is town useless. If he's mafia he would just go with it. -Italics is you literally leaving huge chunks of reasoning out again from my arguments. Yes I voted Palmar, he really didn't do anything D2 and look what became of my vote on Palmar - he went fucking super sayain mode. If you're town you should be thinking Slam/myself for pressuring/bringing it out in him instead of letting him fucking lurk again. I'm quite satisfied with the analysis of his I have read so far. I had to get this out of the way but I'll catch up to the newer stuff shortly. ##Unvote ##Vote: Rayn inb4 he ignores everything and calls it OMGUS again Seriously, the sheer quantity of blatantly wrong information in his attack against me should show you he obviously is either not committed to this game at all or grasping for straws and hoping everyone else will be too lazy to fact-check any of it. | ||
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On March 10 2014 21:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: Whatever. Everyone can do whatever they want to. I am being honest here, i basically don't give a fuck about this game because people make shit cases, when someone is being called out they don't respond, but instead they shit on the accuser and OMGUS the shit out of everyone. I don't feel like putting effort to the game where noone even realizes how a mafia game works or maybe people just don't give a fuck. So i won't either. On March 09 2014 00:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oats is probably mafia. He knows me better than this. On March 09 2014 02:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: Palmar you are either scum or playing a really bad game if you seriously consider that i am mafia. | ||
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On March 10 2014 21:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: I also understand nobody will even notice my case. Nobody will pay any attention to the fact that nobody noticed my case on D1, nobody will pay any attention to the fact that templar didn't answer my case on D1, but guess what; That's why i don't give a fuck, nobody is playing mafia in this game. So do your guessing game then because i am sick of repeating same things over and over again. Please, by all means continue doing jack shit. But don't expect me to play the game then. You have no case. You are acting like Robik was acting D2. You are the world's biggest hypocrite. | ||
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On March 10 2014 22:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: 1) His stance on Killing. Every time Killing was not under attack (after the start of the game) templar calls him mafia. When Killing is under attack someone else is mafia. See especially his reads on D1 and his "push" on Slam on D2 when the thread was discussing killing/grack. 2) His reads do not evolve rationally. He calls people town and mafia for same reason. He calls people who do same things he does mafia. His stances on people make absolutely no sense as i have pointed out many times. 3) When he's been called out he does not attack people's arguments rather than the people behind the arguments. To me it does not matter what templar says at this point, i have seen enough. 1. 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2jXbZOeGD0 3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2jXbZOeGD0 | ||
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On March 10 2014 22:20 Palmar wrote: huehue These are from the same post. Rayn pointed it out day 1. Everyone is bad. Everyone asked me to explain my initial reasons for voting. Initial reads for voting =/= reads after catching up on the thread. I did them in chronological order. I don't know why this simple concept is difficult to understand. | ||
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On March 10 2014 22:21 Palmar wrote: dude literally called slam town and scum in the same post. #context | ||
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On March 10 2014 22:23 Palmar wrote: No I don't care anymore rayn, I read your interactions with templar day 1. You're now town hero. seriously? one of you is throwing | ||
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On March 10 2014 22:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: To be fair he later on said "he explained his thought process on Slam read throughout the game" and that's why he wrote a scumread and townread on him in the same post. It kinda makes sense, what doesn't make sense is why he did it in the first place. I was asked to. | ||
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On March 10 2014 22:26 Palmar wrote: His big post where he calls me/ve/dandel/boone scum is terrible too anyway. irony | ||
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On March 10 2014 22:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well now you know why i am frustrated. I made a big fucking case based on that post on D1, nobody (besides Dandel) gave a fuck. templar didn't even answer the case but OMGUSed me instead. nobody gave a fuck about that either. I answered what was answerable. The rest was fabricated/misinterpreted/assumed. | ||
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On March 10 2014 22:28 Palmar wrote: oh and then he has a new list of scum VE Dandelion Killing Austin and he voted you at some point. so 9 scum reads and counting. And slam too of course. In fact, everyone is scum in templarworld. yep, if you call someone scum you can't change your mind on them | ||
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On March 10 2014 22:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: You can call him bad. I can't help it if people don't have reading comprehension. | ||
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On March 11 2014 03:45 boonetown wrote: this is the world that scares me, his paranoia this game early on led me to believe he was town, now it's just kinda cray cray and seems forced and pushy. I haven't been paranoid this game you still haven't cited an example of paranoia now you're acknowledging stupid posts that are the literal definition of "logical fallacy" | ||
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On March 11 2014 03:56 IAmRobik wrote: I'm not trying to defend him. I do lean town on him for the reason that he's super paranoid and flip flopping on everything (which you find scummy). I don't know his alignment and therefore I'm nervous about lynching anyone. Even though I thought that Joey was scum, I didn't _KNOW_ that he was, and that's why I made the posts that I made with regards to him. The level of conviction your showing is disturbing and the fact that you're unwilling to analyze any other viable scenario is unhelpful and scummy. Making your thoughts on one person known is really easy to do as scum because you can focus on their posts and just tunnel on them. No matter what they flip, you can just make up a new read on another person the next day and you don't have to justify any of the statements you made earlier besides just saying "oh well, he was scummy, so it was a good lynch" if that person flips town. apparently thinking out loud in this game and trying to share thought processes isn't allowed you're just supposed to post "x is scum because y" or you're paranoid and flip flopping and calling everyone scum wtf is wrong with people | ||
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On March 11 2014 04:04 boonetown wrote: can we take a moment to recognize that meta runs deep in the DM community and templar is the FIRST person on day 2 and D3 to mention that i should be dead and why aren't i dead and should be a lynch. Templar is always paranoid over meta plays and shit like that. @templar: why didn't you even question that i could be alive for the sole purpose of getting lynched as an alive medic. Instead you only mention that i should be dead, and should be lynched for being alive. I entertain possibilities because they should be discussed at the very least because you can get reactions from people if nothing else actually, the paranoid meta play here would be NOT lynching you and assuming that Grack/Dandel are mafia and WIFOM'd it the level-headed play would be you're scum because you claimed medic 2 days ago and seem to think that you called out Grack/Dandel mafia and that they left you alive in the night, AS THE MEDIC, and still think they're mafia. you're the one being meta here and assuming that they WIFOM'd it I have questioned it. I'm pretty sure everyone has. It's not really something that needs to be said. | ||
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On March 11 2014 04:29 IAmRobik wrote: The only problem with this temp is that the only thinking out loud that you do is in HUGE analysis posts. If you're already typing out a huge wall of text, why don't you draw a conclusion before you post it? Or just be like "this is scummy, this is towny, this is scummy, so overall i think this person is scum." You do things in an awkward way which makes it difficult to rationalize whether you're coming from a town or scum mindset (at least to me). I am a huge proponent of stream of conscious posting, which is why I post a lot and which is why I may have posts that are contradictory...it's how I play video too. I react to situations as they occur...as I see them happen. You make long posts and try to make reactionary conclusions in a long post, which makes it sound fabricated. Referencing my first big post D1, it was a catchup post. would you people rather me not fucking explain my thought process and just ignore everyone who asked me to explain it? how the fuck is that more townie than explaining it? you'd probably just fucking ask me again later in the game anyways You people thinking that first big post of mine was useless/fluff/pointless is pure incompetence. how is it awkward to rationalize when I do it in fucking chronological order? it's literally the most logical way to do it. | ||
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On March 11 2014 04:31 IAmRobik wrote: FWIW, Dandelion looking more town today because he isn't going after me and seems to have reevaluated based off of the Killing flip. Which is both pro town and a really towny mindset. what's the reverse of an OMGUS called? | ||
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On March 11 2014 04:56 IAmRobik wrote: Templar...I am starting to think your anger is reminiscent of your mafia play. I never see you get mad as town. You usually just sit back and don't give a fuck. when the fuck have you ever even seen me angry in video mafia wtf | ||
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I've just adapted to my natural surroundings | ||
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On March 11 2014 06:43 boonetown wrote: the way you have been voting, ten unvoting and calling everyone scum is semi-paranoid templar. but as i stated before, the fact that you haven't even thought about WHY i'm alive other than to say i shouldnt be and that i should be lynched because of it, is not the templar i'm used to. so i dont know what to do with you. it feels like you're slow-rolling your inevitable read-flip on me with forced/crappy reasons so you don't get flak for voting me you completely ignored all the content in the exchange between myself and Rayn with regards to how you are reading me and I still don't know what Palmar is smoking also you keep bringing up that silly "how come you didn't question I was left alive just to be a misslynch" If you're alive that's literally the only reason you were kept alive No one seems to be pushing you though and the only people even mentioning your medic claim besides myself are Robik/Palmar going like "yea we shouldn't lynch her now if she's still alive later we will deal with it then" so if you are medic you really need to start focusing on content and stop giving meta-reads on DM players because you're setting yourself up to be a misslynch at mylo | ||
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"it's appropriate she gets misslynched if she keeps playing like this?" also Slam can you unvote me yet because I'm town | ||
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On March 11 2014 08:12 Alakaslam wrote: GGTeMpLaR is likely scum. Palmar could be scum. Boone is uncc'd blue Iamrobik could be scum. Rayn is town you are town. ... Who else is left? what | ||
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you are not hijole you do not see with the eyes of the fish and you do not comprehend the ways of chupazi you are a heretic svengali curses you and if you are voting me by the end of the day, I curse you by the songs of andale pues JAT is top town Slam is probably town Robik is leaning town Dandel is light town Grack is null Rayn/Palmar/Boone all lean scummy I want you to vote Rayn today | ||
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On March 11 2014 09:13 justanothertownie wrote: Well, we lynched scum yesterday. That's a start. Do you not include yourself in the word "town"? weak | ||
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At this point the best thing I can do is try to have my vote on scum when I die so I can feel better about getting lynched by logical fallacies. Rayn is probably just a noob town tunneled on me at this point, partially motivated by a meta-read from another game. The way Palmar completely flipped on him/me though felt weak as fuck. I thought Palmar was scummy D1, and after analyzing the votes he's probably with Grack or Dandelion. Fortunately you still have a misslynch after you kill me so if you kill Palmar tomorrow, the order in which you kill Grack/Dandel doesn't matter too much. Kill the three of them and you probably win the game. I was seduced into townreading Dandel by JAT after the D1 flip but in light of Killing flipping scum I think it's possible his analysis was just wrong, sort of like how he's wrong on me right now. If he's right though the last one is Grack. I scumread Dandel/Palmar D1 as well and D2 Grack went on my radar. Rayn defended all three of them and pushed me the whole game. No one wants to lynch rayn so if rayn is scum, all the town should feel stupid because they are (although they probably won't. they'll just blame me). And if I'm right that it's Palmar and Dandel or Grack, then Rayn should feel stupid for defending mafia against a town accuser the whole game and pushing a lynch on a townie who was trying to kill scum (although they probably won't. they'll just blame me). ##Vote: Palmar | ||
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On March 11 2014 09:39 justanothertownie wrote: It's not that rayn hasn't hard defended mafia as town before but that just happens sometimes if you are an outspoken crusader. If you are town and you don't put up a fight tomorrow I will be seriously pissed. I will take giving up as scumclaim. I refuted the accusations put against me today everyone has the reading comprehension of a 4th grader and ignored it//called me scum for it no one called me town for it or called rayn scum also if anything I'm the outspoken crusader, not Rayn. about the bold - too fucking bad I got pissed today I hope you get pissed too. you scumread me after the whole interaction with rayn and didn't even comment why. no one has. I never give up but at this point I'm pretty resigned to the fact that this town is incompetent and going to lynch me regardless of how logical/rational I am because it can't read for shit | ||
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It's harder for me to read into Grack though because he has more troll content whereas I think I have a better read on what Palmar is doing because it's just plain scummy. | ||
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On March 11 2014 10:10 Alakaslam wrote: So See vote thread. RAYN DEFENSE THYSELF WASSUP WITH YOU DEFENSE KILLING BRO U DEFENSE KILLING BRO it wasn't even defending him he defended Grack what he did with Killing was more like a safe way to distance himself while still trying to push another lynch | ||
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On March 11 2014 10:08 Dandel Ion wrote: Grack is basically a worse version of Palmar. Can you explain this though. Or give your thoughts on the entire interaction between Rayn/myself and what you think of Palmar's take on it. I would ask you what you made of Slam's take on it too but he didn't even read it | ||
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Scroll through my D2 filter and see if you ever see me call Killing "town" or "not mafia". that's one example of shit he made up | ||
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That being said, I will concede ONE of his points, but only because he didn't explain it like this the first time around he only said my stance made no fucking sense. Now that he's explained it like this I can see how my read changing on Grack didn't make much sense. On March 11 2014 21:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: But that's my point on templar. His reads change based on same information he has given another read on earlier. It does not matter what VE flipped. If he thought VE was mafia based on his case on D1 it's a townie thing to do to sheep his case (or certainly not scummy, at worst a null tell). If you are town you did not know VE's alignment any more than any other townie on D1 and just because you pushed a lynch on him based on a case you thought was good does not suddenly make you mafia just because VE was not mafia. That's not how a mafia game works. also, this is obligatory On March 11 2014 22:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: If there is something you don't understand or want me to elaborate more on please do ask. The bolded & underlined parts go together with (2). Everything else basically goes together with (1). (3) is a general observation from all of his posts. I would also add (4) which is that i have noticed a pattern in his activity which is that he is not here posting at any point other than when he is under attack from someone. That does tell about him not wanting to figure out the game instead of just wanting to survive which is a basic mafia trait. thanks for linking your arguments again that is super useful here: On March 11 2014 03:56 GGTeMpLaR wrote: -No support for bold assumption 1. -Strikethrough is plain wrong. Yes I have been defensive but I have most certainly acted proactively this game and questioned several people. You were fairly defensive yesterday as well (basically OMGUS'd two people) - which I called you out on - (One of which was against Oats who called you scummy, me towny, and is now dead. Your response was "ha you think I'd ever nightkill Oats?", when a lot of people thought Oats played well this game. You just laughed like it was another shitty read of mine (Grack did too). -Bold 2 is, ironically, a textbook definition of "flinging shit". Do I need to say any more? -Underline: actually I was under the impression that there were four mafia at the time, not three, hence my lists of four on D1. I have no idea what you mean by my stance on Killing being "fishy", lost my townread on him D1 and began scumreading him by the end of D1. -Next strikethrough literally false information. I do not remember EVER calling Killing "not mafia" on D2. I skimmed my own filter and did not find it. Can you point me to where I said this on D2 or are you literally just making shit up now to bury me? Further, I did push my scumread on Killing and I didn't "just sheep your vote". I gave a unique argument no one brought up before that I felt like was even further reason to kill him at http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/444554-foundation-mafia?page=97#1934 . The last bit - I still don't know what your 'brilliant' case against me is from D1. Half of your accusations against me D1 were straw man arguments because you kept misinterpreting what I was saying//making faulty assumptions due to poor reading comprehension, or trying to force something as scum. D1: -Bold part is plain just wrong and fabricated again. I townread Killing based on video mafia meta that he was playing similarly to (which both Robik/Boone also agreed on at the time). His read on Palmar at the time just made me townread him more. -Underline: Robert called him out on good points. I noted them how I felt about them in light of his play here - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/444554-foundation-mafia?page=55#1090 . If you want to talk about weird shit D1, look at these: Anyways, back to Rayn's post on me regarding the next strikethrough- More fabricated information - I never said Killing wasn't mafia, he was my second lynch for the day. Boone is the one who said his existential crisis read town, not me. I had very good reasons to vote VE however, especially when he didn't respond to my accusation (or Grack bringing it up again). I trusted Grack because I was pretty convinced VE was mafia at that point as he basically checked out of the game after flopping on me . Italics part is useless "shit flinging" D2: -Underline isn't relevant. Adding fluff statements to his shit to waste my time in breaking down his post. If he thinks Dandel is scum BECAUSE I am scum, he's making pre-flip association reads (which many people have called bad), so I'll ask you be consistent on this stance and be even more harsh on a vet like Rayn doing it who should know better. This also makes it very convenient for him to townread Dandel tomorrow if I get lynched because I'll flip green and his weak ass associative read can get tossed like *that*. -Bold part is shit. he misrepresents the nuance of my argument against Grack being a sheepread. I never pressed hard on Grack or tried to get him lynched though. He never explains why me trusting the DM people less makes no sense. D1 is over, meta reads from video mafia become less relevant and content is going to be the primary motivator for reads at this point. -Don't worry italics, today is dedicated to you now. You are 99% scum at this point. The vast majority of your argument is fabricated because you didn't even bother to reread filters and the rest is assumptions/shit-flinging/hypocrisy. You've done this for three days in a row. Unless you can go supermode like Palmar did today, for me, you're basically http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyyCz9z1s_M -Note the bold, "he asks". I didn't ever question people though, right? You're not even putting effort into this. Also, I don't have a long history with Slam and I need to be reassured that he is town if other people think so because I literally have no idea how to read him. -Strikethrough is literally fabricated/wrong again. In the very same post I make my case against Killing, I say I would rather kill him than Rayn that day. He laughs at me when I say it's possible that he/Killing be mafia together and just sort of tries to bully the thread into the mindset that "I bus'd my own partner there? YEA RIGHT HAHA". Killing literally gave up that day of course an active scum partner is going to bus him at that point, you are in no way shape or form cleared by his flipping scum. -Underline is more useless fluff/statement material that also happens to be fabricated/blatantly false. I said with regards to the specific instance of Robik's analysis of the voting that Palmar's alignment isn't necessarily the same as Killing's. You just extrapolated that into a straw man of "you can't deduce anything about X player's alignment from Y player's alignment" which I am very aware is bullshit 99% of the time and something I would probably never say. D3: -Bold: Knowing someone is mafia or not, as mafia, has nothing to do with how good/bad you can make case against them. Your ability to fabricate a case against someone when you are mafia is going to be based solely on how townie/scummy the person you're making a case against is playing and how well their arguments hold up. Independent of that, I pretty quickly rejected that reasoning based on the night death being Oats over Boone. I was basically thinking out loud in these posts, giving my line of thought as it progressed in the hopes that maybe someone would comment on it or join in on scumhunting with me instead of solving the puzzle as if I'm supposed to townread you more for trying to solve a fking puzzle. The only thing I get from all that now is that Slam is even more town for calling the puzzle which says he is town useless. If he's mafia he would just go with it. -Italics is you literally leaving huge chunks of reasoning out again from my arguments. Yes I voted Palmar, he really didn't do anything D2 and look what became of my vote on Palmar - he went fucking super sayain mode. If you're town you should be thinking Slam/myself for pressuring/bringing it out in him instead of letting him fucking lurk again. I'm quite satisfied with the analysis of his I have read so far. I had to get this out of the way but I'll catch up to the newer stuff shortly. ##Unvote ##Vote: Rayn inb4 he ignores everything and calls it OMGUS again Seriously, the sheer quantity of blatantly wrong information in his attack against me should show you he obviously is either not committed to this game at all or grasping for straws and hoping everyone else will be too lazy to fact-check any of it. | ||
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I know there seems to be this huge town circle from Rayn/Palmar that seems to conclude that Grack/Dandel/Palmar/Rayn/Slam are all town but I know this can't be the case because I'm fairly confident that Robik is town now so it can't be Robik/Boone, meaning someone is pretty fucking wrong. | ||
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On March 12 2014 01:57 justanothertownie wrote: So your scumread on rayn has vanished? It's not vanished. If I meta-read him he's playing almost the same as his other town game (although not exactly the same). I'm suspicious over that small discrepancy but it's so small it could just be regular town-town discrepancy in his play. I think his accusations against me are bullshit but apparently I'm the only one (aside from the Grack point I concede). I can sort of understand where he's coming from though, and almost everyone here seems to think he's town at this point so it's pretty pointless beating a dead horse. If he's mafia you guys probably already lost. In any case he isn't the lynch today. | ||
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On March 12 2014 01:58 boonetown wrote: I read his filter once he flipped mafia, and one of the reasons i changed my reads was based off of part of it. I didn't like how he tried really hard to leave people out of his posts, or the interactions he had with certain people (mainly Grack and Dandel) but joey is a tricky fucking player and there is almost always a motive behind everything he does. I'm just trying to figure out what it was. What was his angle, where did he try to trick us, cause either this is the worst mafia he's ever played, or he did something we can't see. No this was him just not knowing what to do, self-admittingly even from his own point of view. There is no "joey trick" or "master plan" behind what he did. You feel really off this game boone with the conclusions you're drawing and have been for a while. | ||
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On March 12 2014 02:03 justanothertownie wrote: Ok. If you think so there are only 2 ways for you to survive this day. 1) You convince rayn that you are town. Unlikely. 2) You make a better case on a mafia. Maybe possible. Rayn is clearing Grack/Dandel. It's still possible Rayn is wrong because he is clouded by me, but I sort of liked Grack's/Dandel's contributions today. That basically leaves Palmar as an almost necessary scum. I don't think both Boone/Killing would be rolled mafia together when it's both of their first forum games, but it's possible. Boone has been off this game for me so I'm suspicious of her. If I ignore meta things like that and the medic claim, she would be my #1 lynch even before Palmar. | ||
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I'm a decent lynch because if Rayn is mafia he will actually have to do something besides tunnel me. If Rayn is town, he will actually have a decent shot at figuring out the game from there (unless he is NK which would be HILARIOUS - just saying). | ||
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On March 12 2014 02:46 justanothertownie wrote: Is it? Then you better try lynching me while I am away! Maybe you will succeed! pass | ||
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On March 12 2014 02:47 boonetown wrote: Or in the off chance you two are mafia together and you flip mafia and he looks like a based god. /doubtful impossiburu | ||
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On March 09 2014 02:12 Oatsmaster wrote: 2) I think I can get a concrete answer on Rayn in later days while Joey has to die today for reasons. rip oats | ||
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On March 09 2014 00:34 Oatsmaster wrote: yeah I think rayn is scum here actually. Instead of getting us to go onto to robik, he stonewalls us and calls the case on robik 'reasonable'? that implies that it is logically sound rather than actually being true. And he is useless, VE got lynched and all that shizz. On March 09 2014 00:58 Oatsmaster wrote: Throughout this whole game, I havent felt like Rayn really wanted to solve the game and thats one of my biggest problems with him. Also contradictory. He doesnt try and convince anyone to vote for GGTemp here but just a while ago, he asked us to make a case/convince people on Grack if we wanted to move votes. Actions dont match his words. and he totally drops this read in favor of lynching GGtemp, never really talks to Grack about lynch VE, the top propnent towards his lynch. Basically it doesnt look like he wants to find scum, just push people who look bad. | ||
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On March 08 2014 22:56 Oatsmaster wrote: ohhhhh I read GGtemp as Grack. Disregard points. I still think Grack is scum though but now its cause he pushed VE for being disinterested and then pushing a lynch on someone which is contradicatory. You cant be both man wtf. On March 08 2014 23:07 Oatsmaster wrote: The one where VE called out GGTemp for the first post in the QT being all "I know both of you are scum dont talk to me". Grack said that VE was disinterested(somewhat townie) and pushing an agenda(scummy) and pushed him based on the above reason. But you cant do both man. On March 08 2014 23:57 Oatsmaster wrote: OMGUS but since Grack isnt bad then hes scum. On March 09 2014 00:03 Oatsmaster wrote: Yeah grack has so far just popped in and out asking some questions that didnt seem to go anywhere and giving some really easy reads to give. Boone town, oats town and all that shizzle. In his town games, he is able to be a tonwn leader and all that shizzle. On March 09 2014 00:12 Oatsmaster wrote: I think that both have not played the best game ever if they were town but Grack played the worse game. Why are you being so sketchy with your questions? why not go and straight out ask me whether I think Palmar is scummy for the same thing that I called out Grack for. Grack makes sense too. | ||
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On March 12 2014 07:23 marvellosity wrote: why the hell was Templar's vote not on Grack? O.o Some seriously weird play this day hey I'm just glad I had it on mafia. I had to go 3 hrs prior to deadline and was pretty sure I would get lynched so I just wanted to try to put it on a mafia GG everyone LOL this game | ||
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