[M][T] Foundation Mafia - Page 11

On March 11 2014 10:08 Dandel Ion wrote:
Grack is basically a worse version of Palmar.

On March 11 2014 21:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:


But that's my point on templar. His reads change based on same information he has given another read on earlier. It does not matter what VE flipped. If he thought VE was mafia based on his case on D1 it's a townie thing to do to sheep his case (or certainly not scummy, at worst a null tell). If you are town you did not know VE's alignment any more than any other townie on D1 and just because you pushed a lynch on him based on a case you thought was good does not suddenly make you mafia just because VE was not mafia. That's not how a mafia game works.

On March 11 2014 22:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:


If there is something you don't understand or want me to elaborate more on please do ask.
The bolded & underlined parts go together with (2). Everything else basically goes together with (1). (3) is a general observation from all of his posts. I would also add (4) which is that i have noticed a pattern in his activity which is that he is not here posting at any point other than when he is under attack from someone. That does tell about him not wanting to figure out the game instead of just wanting to survive which is a basic mafia trait.

On March 11 2014 03:56 GGTeMpLaR wrote:


-No support for bold assumption 1.

-Strikethrough is plain wrong. Yes I have been defensive but I have most certainly acted proactively this game and questioned several people. You were fairly defensive yesterday as well (basically OMGUS'd two people) - which I called you out on - (One of which was against Oats who called you scummy, me towny, and is now dead.

Your response was "ha you think I'd ever nightkill Oats?", when a lot of people thought Oats played well this game. You just laughed like it was another shitty read of mine (Grack did too).

-Bold 2 is, ironically, a textbook definition of "flinging shit". Do I need to say any more?

-Underline: actually I was under the impression that there were four mafia at the time, not three, hence my lists of four on D1. I have no idea what you mean by my stance on Killing being "fishy", lost my townread on him D1 and began scumreading him by the end of D1.

-Next strikethrough literally false information. I do not remember EVER calling Killing "not mafia" on D2. I skimmed my own filter and did not find it. Can you point me to where I said this on D2 or are you literally just making shit up now to bury me? Further, I did push my scumread on Killing and I didn't "just sheep your vote". I gave a unique argument no one brought up before that I felt like was even further reason to kill him at http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/444554-foundation-mafia?page=97#1934 .

The last bit - I still don't know what your 'brilliant' case against me is from D1. Half of your accusations against me D1 were straw man arguments because you kept misinterpreting what I was saying//making faulty assumptions due to poor reading comprehension, or trying to force something as scum.



D1:
-Bold part is plain just wrong and fabricated again. I townread Killing based on video mafia meta that he was playing similarly to (which both Robik/Boone also agreed on at the time). His read on Palmar at the time just made me townread him more.
-Underline: Robert called him out on good points. I noted them how I felt about them in light of his play here - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/444554-foundation-mafia?page=55#1090 .

If you want to talk about weird shit D1, look at these:









Anyways, back to Rayn's post on me regarding the next strikethrough-
More fabricated information - I never said Killing wasn't mafia, he was my second lynch for the day. Boone is the one who said his existential crisis read town, not me. I had very good reasons to vote VE however, especially when he didn't respond to my accusation (or Grack bringing it up again). I trusted Grack because I was pretty convinced VE was mafia at that point as he basically checked out of the game after flopping on me .

Italics part is useless "shit flinging"

D2:
-Underline isn't relevant. Adding fluff statements to his shit to waste my time in breaking down his post. If he thinks Dandel is scum BECAUSE I am scum, he's making pre-flip association reads (which many people have called bad), so I'll ask you be consistent on this stance and be even more harsh on a vet like Rayn doing it who should know better. This also makes it very convenient for him to townread Dandel tomorrow if I get lynched because I'll flip green and his weak ass associative read can get tossed like *that*.

-Bold part is shit. he misrepresents the nuance of my argument against Grack being a sheepread. I never pressed hard on Grack or tried to get him lynched though. He never explains why me trusting the DM people less makes no sense. D1 is over, meta reads from video mafia become less relevant and content is going to be the primary motivator for reads at this point.

-Don't worry italics, today is dedicated to you now. You are 99% scum at this point. The vast majority of your argument is fabricated because you didn't even bother to reread filters and the rest is assumptions/shit-flinging/hypocrisy. You've done this for three days in a row. Unless you can go supermode like Palmar did today, for me, you're basically



-Note the bold, "he asks". I didn't ever question people though, right? You're not even putting effort into this. Also, I don't have a long history with Slam and I need to be reassured that he is town if other people think so because I literally have no idea how to read him.

-Strikethrough is literally fabricated/wrong again. In the very same post I make my case against Killing, I say I would rather kill him than Rayn that day. He laughs at me when I say it's possible that he/Killing be mafia together and just sort of tries to bully the thread into the mindset that "I bus'd my own partner there? YEA RIGHT HAHA". Killing literally gave up that day of course an active scum partner is going to bus him at that point, you are in no way shape or form cleared by his flipping scum.

-Underline is more useless fluff/statement material that also happens to be fabricated/blatantly false. I said with regards to the specific instance of Robik's analysis of the voting that Palmar's alignment isn't necessarily the same as Killing's. You just extrapolated that into a straw man of "you can't deduce anything about X player's alignment from Y player's alignment" which I am very aware is bullshit 99% of the time and something I would probably never say.

D3:
-Bold: Knowing someone is mafia or not, as mafia, has nothing to do with how good/bad you can make case against them. Your ability to fabricate a case against someone when you are mafia is going to be based solely on how townie/scummy the person you're making a case against is playing and how well their arguments hold up.

Independent of that, I pretty quickly rejected that reasoning based on the night death being Oats over Boone. I was basically thinking out loud in these posts, giving my line of thought as it progressed in the hopes that maybe someone would comment on it or join in on scumhunting with me instead of solving the puzzle as if I'm supposed to townread you more for trying to solve a fking puzzle. The only thing I get from all that now is that Slam is even more town for calling the puzzle which says he is town useless. If he's mafia he would just go with it.

-Italics is you literally leaving huge chunks of reasoning out again from my arguments. Yes I voted Palmar, he really didn't do anything D2 and look what became of my vote on Palmar - he went fucking super sayain mode. If you're town you should be thinking Slam/myself for pressuring/bringing it out in him instead of letting him fucking lurk again. I'm quite satisfied with the analysis of his I have read so far. I had to get this out of the way but I'll catch up to the newer stuff shortly.

##Unvote
##Vote: Rayn

inb4 he ignores everything and calls it OMGUS again

Seriously, the sheer quantity of blatantly wrong information in his attack against me should show you he obviously is either not committed to this game at all or grasping for straws and hoping everyone else will be too lazy to fact-check any of it.

On March 12 2014 01:57 justanothertownie wrote:

So your scumread on rayn has vanished?

On March 12 2014 01:58 boonetown wrote:


I read his filter once he flipped mafia, and one of the reasons i changed my reads was based off of part of it. I didn't like how he tried really hard to leave people out of his posts, or the interactions he had with certain people (mainly Grack and Dandel) but joey is a tricky fucking player and there is almost always a motive behind everything he does. I'm just trying to figure out what it was. What was his angle, where did he try to trick us, cause either this is the worst mafia he's ever played, or he did something we can't see.

On March 12 2014 02:03 justanothertownie wrote:

Ok. If you think so there are only 2 ways for you to survive this day.

1) You convince rayn that you are town. Unlikely.
2) You make a better case on a mafia. Maybe possible.