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On February 28 2014 06:25 Holyflare wrote:
this is slightly frustrating because everything he's done has been leading up to this play
This is a post that I feel got really washed past. Vivax had a like 1 to 10 rating post thing earlier which was like a super blue claim. It felt really forced to me for some reason because I like never blue hunt and I like never pick up on blue tells but it really jumped out to me. I'll take another look at him later tonight.
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IDK I find this flip by Vivax to be really funny. Not funny as in weird but funny as in haha funny. Like his read on me felt a bit off but I didn't really care and now like he completely ignores my post to HF. Whatevs, not like I'm gonna move my vote off Toad anytime soon because it looks like people are just going to say they're going to look into him again and totes ignore/forget him later.
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God I feel like everytime I post the thread goes either instadead or hyperinsane
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On February 28 2014 10:20 Vivax wrote:Hey geript you know, I'm actually reading your stuff atm and there is this: Mocsta Show nested quote +Apologies if this has been asked already.
Red: Why is asking millers to claim stupid? You: hahahahahaha mocsta
Yah I didn't remember millers being in the game. Apparently they do exist but it's unaware miller so the point remains.
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On February 28 2014 10:50 Vivax wrote:
Geript I'm rereading the stuff you wrote about Toad's miller claim earlier but I'm not sure if I understand it correctly. Could you recap everything you have about Toad in the most comprehensible way possible?
I got the synopsis I think. That Toad's read on Rayn couldn't have been genuine, but I think that he or somebody else stated that it was so early in the game that the read itself was trolly.
If you could make a case for dummies that would help your cause.
Specifically on the miller claim, here's how it went down:
Toad: I want all millers to claim
Rayn: Toad are you a miller
Toad: easiest scumread ever
Rayn: you're totes town too
Geript: WTF explain that townread
Toad: Rayn wouldn't have townread me back, he totes would've jumped on my townread of him as scum and (3rd thing I forget off the top of my head)
Geript: WTF Like none of your reasons for townreading him actually happened yet when you townread him. Like the miller thing is silly and (even though Rayn's response is really towny) his response isn't alignment indicative for him
Toad: Liar
Geript: Liar
Toad: Liar
Geript: Liar
Like my initial suspicion of him was for the townread, which after spending time to think about it, I can get the townread. But Toad's response to being questioned was such a weird turn that makes no sense; like it's such a simple townread to explain that there's no reason for extended explanation. Plus it's like super weird that his reason for the townread all happen after he townread him and at no point does he question the townread either. Then as things progress, he doesn't bother doing anything else; not in a tunneled sense but in a sense that he really doesn't want to talk about anything else but he's fine to pick here and there at little minor things.
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On February 26 2014 21:16 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 10:02 geript wrote:On February 26 2014 09:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Who did make what observation? I am not following geript. His townread on you is super weird. Maybe I'm just too zealous and too super srs, but I didn't read his response as counter-trolling where I read your read on him as early trolling. So his response isn't a weird enough read (e.g. Vivax "everyone who's posted before me is probably town" read in LXI or Vayne's "Geript not scum with Yamato/Wave" read based on scum talking to each other early in whatever game we just got out of) to be a serious read. But it's equally not an obvious read because you're obvious town. And since I don't read it as trolling, there's only one possibility.Also curse you for forcing me to walk upstairs while I was watching SVU so I could type this out and explain it. Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 10:45 geript wrote:On February 26 2014 10:43 Toadesstern wrote:On February 26 2014 10:42 geript wrote:
Yup, I'm happy with my vote. so you knew about it but still came to the conclusion that the read is weird? Explain. ##vote geript Lets rolls this back a second. What about how I explained finding your read on Rayn was weird isn't making sense to you? This is directly responding to my question to reevaluate the situation given that I, at that time, had explained what was going on. I, same as WoS, wasn't sure if you actually knew what was going on, might have been just a confused townie who didn't know what was going on, in which case his confusion about the townread would make sense. It would prove he's not reading the OP but that's hardly alignment indicating. Instead he points me at his explanation PRIOR to my explanation, which would be completly and utterly uselss if that was done under the basis of not knowing what was going on. So he is C LEARLY stating he knew that I was redfishing all along, he clearly knew about the millers and thinks the townread makes no sense when indeed it makes an awful lot of sense. I am restating this to make sure people get the timing of these events correctly. I've seen a bunch of comments from people but none of them are really commiting to anything. I remember JJD saying I made sense, I remember 2 people I don't know saying geript makes no sense, I remember suki saying there are no millers which seems fairly odd (now that I think about it, she might have been just not known what's going on and thought WoS misunderstood me... have to reread that) and WoS posting this: Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 10:43 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 26 2014 10:40 gumshoe wrote:On February 26 2014 10:16 Toadesstern wrote:
actually screw what I just said, this trolling shit sucks so let's get down to serious business, we have something to talk about and everyone's ignoring it.
WoS/Holy I know you to are fairly smart, smart enough to answer the following question. What do you make of the conversation between Rayn, geript and me? I want to get some input on that from some more people.
Should help me figure out if you guys are reading I feel it's important to note that Toads just come off a pretty brutal loss in default, he was outed as the mafia godfather night 1 and I cant help but suspect that either way, that blow will influence his play. The tone switch in this post is noteworthy, he played out the start pretty lightly (in contrast to default where he was somewhat tense throughout) and he feels the need to 'snap' out of it. Feels slightly odd, like hes trying to let us know that hes acting natural, but is intent on winning. This reads exactly like your post on Mocsta and I don't like it. Do you always base your reads entirely on their most recent game? (Speaking of which, don't talk about ongoing games). Toad I actually did follow Geript's thought process to some degree. And I actually had no idea about the miller stuff until you just mentioned it. If you're sticking around Toad I can discuss with you a little. which is basicly a giant "yeah makes sense with your explanation but I totally didn't know about it. Could be geript totally didn't know about it either despite looking like he did. See that 2nd post he did? Maybe he's just confused" and then a lot of nothing because he looks like he doesn't want to wifom over this as long as he has no idea about geripts state of knowledge. We do know how much geript knew about this. Geript clearly stated that he knew what was going on all along. Stop talking about it as if there was a possibility of it not being the case and tell me what you make of geript given the conclusion that he knew about it all along. Like I said, I see a bunch of talk about him and a bunch of "this is weird", yet I'm the only one voting him. Why is that? Need to pick up my sis, be back in an hour.
This is like super scummy now too that suki has flipped. Like scum absolutely love to throw crap like this into the middle of a post to look like they're considering various players to distance themselves from other scum.
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The bad news for me is that suki's dig at Toad makes it more likely that he's town. That makes me really sad.
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Chyz and Moc probably both town, but I was already there so that's not really anything useful to me. So it's like maybe Vivax but probably not, maybe Toad, Cavalinho, JJD, Ange, Gumshoe.
Ange felt pretty towny to me, so I think the best pool to shoot into/lynch into/pressure is like Gum/JJD/Cavalinho/Toad.
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On February 28 2014 08:54 Aquanim wrote:
Votecount
Mocsta (4) - suki, Holyflare, raynpelikoneet, Vivax, Toadesstern, Toadesstern, JarJarDrinks, suki
geript (1) - Toadesstern, TheChyz, Toadesstern
TheChyz (1) - raynpelikoneet, Mocsta, JarJarDrinks, Cavalinho, suki, suki
Toadesstern (1) - Geript, Geript
JarJarDrinks (0) - Geript, Gumshoe
gumshoe (0) - WaveofShadow, Mocsta, JarJarDrinks
WaveofShadow (0) - raynpelikoneet, Vivax
suki (6) - WaveofShadow, Gumshoe, Holyflare, raynpelikoneet, raynpelikoneet, Gumshoe, WaveofShadow, Ange777, Cavalinho
Vivax (1) - WaveofShadow, raynpelikoneet, Mocsta, suki
Everyone has voted
Suki is currently set to be lynched. Day 1 ends in .
If any votes are missing or incorrect please let us know!
I think if there's a scum on Suki then it's likely Gumshoe Ange or Cavalinho. Like Moc could theoretically instead of one of those 3 but I really doubt it. There's a really good bet at one of Toad/JJD is scum too. Shoot one lynch the other and then scum concede.
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On February 28 2014 13:14 WaveofShadow wrote:
Preliminary vote analysis says Chyz is scum, btw. I find that usually mafia do NOT pile on to save a teammate.
Hell like, ever. But more on this tomorrow.
Would be particularly interesting if Mocsta is scum as well.
Right I forgot about him. I have a townread on him though, but it's an important point to bring up with his vote ending up on me.
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On February 28 2014 16:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay i have read SMB D1 and maybe geript is right and Toadesstern is mafia. In that game he actually cares about the lynch and discusses different possibilities with multiple people, in this game he doesn't give a flying fuck about the lynch.
Yay
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On February 28 2014 16:17 TheChyz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 14:32 Holyflare wrote:zzz kill ppl not on suki, play adventure with me, relax, win game  Even tho I think this was meant as a joke I think that ultimately this is what this game feels like. I don't think any of the scum have any of the votes on suki since there was not substantial votes on her until the end of the day. Also apart from that basically everybody who has voted for suki I read as being town. The only iffy one in there for me is gumshoe. Even for the small posibility there is 1 of the scum that voted for suki, it can't be possible there was 2 (I'm assuming 3 scum at least since thats what it usually is, right?) voting for her. Therefore I think for now we treat those 5 as confirmed towns. Along with that vivax for now gets a confirmed town pass from most people (could change depending what happens after night is over). So the only people that should be left to analyze are myself, mocsta, geript, toad, cava, and JJD. After reading suki's filter more closely I came with a few conclusions. As typical with scum, it is pretty normal for them to have some contact with another scum member in order so that it doesn't really look like they are avoiding them and in order to gain any credibility later on in the game in case they get lynched. A quick summary of her filter is: alot of talk with mocsta early on, asking ppls opinions on mocsta, I'm her second scum read, tries to make a terrible case on my meta, town read on Wos, goes a bit on vivax by sheeping WoS, again more questions about mocsta, JJD is town read, geript is weird as FU, votes on vivax, asks holy what thoughts on me are (was really random imo), backs off of vivax, jumps back onto me, lynched to death. (PS, she didn't unvote so dunno if her vote still went through, doesn't really matter, but hopefully someone can confirm if it counts or not so i know just in case for the future). After going through this the only people who are on the list in the last paragraph are myself, mocsta, geript, and JJD. So I think from now on that these are the only people that should be left for town to analyze. I myself know I'm town so for me its down to only 3. But for everybody else I think that town should just focus on these atm as I'm pretty sure one of them is scum. On an aside, I remember pretty well that suki jumped from a null read to suddenly number 2 read from mocsta... even more strange now that we know suki's alignment.
This is a really bad post but bad in a really townie sort of way IMO. It really reaffirms my read on you as noob town. I'll be really pissed if I'm wrong on this.
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On February 28 2014 16:22 Cavalinho wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 16:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 28 2014 16:08 Cavalinho wrote:I know why you voted for her, and its complete garbage the case you make. You basically said that your going to vote a town read who you think is supplying good analysis to the game just because some other of your town reads are voting her. ROFL what a joke On February 28 2014 09:07 TheChyz wrote:Wow I was worried my read was wrong. Glad I didnt cave Let's take a quick look at these two quotes. Chyz said that he didn't mind if suki was lynched, but kept his vote on geript. He then takes credit for the lynch, even though he didn't actually partake. Compare this to my involvement. My case was supposedly bad, but I switch on the lynch upon realizing that it is and thinking that suki is town and wind up with a vote on the wrong guy. If my vote is on mafia, no less one of his scumreads, why is it that he is trying to get me to vote someone else? Especially when he supposedly wants this person dead in the first place? (Don't forget, this goes for JJD as well. Both of them came up with weird reasons for pushing my vote away, even though Chyz came up with one that's more solid, despite the fact that it was right.) Yes that's what i was thinking about aswell as i read the thread. But it does not make sense he did not vote for Mocsta unless Mocsta is mafia too. Like he says he is okay with both suki/Mocsta dying, he is here watching, but does not save his godfather. It makes no sense unless Mocsta is scum too because he could easily just say "fuck i think this lynch is better" and vote for Mocsta with some arbitary bullshit reason. Yes and no. In a highly polarized lynch like this one, TheChyz stands to lose quite a bit of standing if Mocsta flipped town while suki got out of it and he just came up with a reason to vote Mocsta; this way, he at the very least blends in while not harming the town. Suki was in a position where she was most likely going to get lynched no matter how you try to put it, especially if Mocsta flipped town. I want you to answer this question very honestly: If suki got out of that lynch alive, would you be telling Vivax to shoot her or, at the very least, be pushing hard to get her lynched tomorrow?
No, this is like super wrong. There's no way I'd let Moc die D1 over suki. Like I can be a real asshat but I hate losing more than anything else and my read on Moc has only gotten stronger. Like my reads post a while back was really good. Like it's way, way better to bus than go all in to save unless your only win chance is to all in.
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On February 28 2014 16:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No no no no Cavalinho, you don't lynch your scumbuddy on D1 if you can avoid it. Lynching mafia D1 is far worse for scum than even all scum hard defending that said mafia.
I disagree, but like that sort of damage control needs to be done way earlier.
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Rayn here's the situation. Scum has no thread control or presence. I'm calling it. I'm town, you're town, Wave's town, HF's town. Vivax is probably town. Like it's a really big unlynchable circle right now.
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On February 28 2014 16:22 Cavalinho wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 16:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And even if Mocsta is mafia, why would Chyz not vote for one of them? One of them gets lynched 100%, why does Chyz NOT take ACTUAL credit for the lynch by hammering scum? It makes no sense to me and that's why i think he is not mafia. Again, this just banks on the fact that mafia might actually be incompetent enough to allow two of their three members to be the ones with the highest votecounts for the first day of play, which is highly unlikely.
The only time I've ever seen 2 scum up for lynch was in a hydra game iirc. And that was 99% because of how active and late day shenannies there were. Like town refused as a group to lynch town and balanced on reads and were deciding which of 3 scum to lynch (Sandroba/syllogism got a free pass though). NSB and Raynmaster were the default lynch away from FMB(Prome/someone), WaveofCheesecake and MockArmor. I've read a bunch and I can't think of any other similar situation with both wagons being scum day 1.
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On February 28 2014 16:36 Cavalinho wrote:
And for the record, I absolutely followed my reads. I thought that rayn and HF were stronger townreads that knew something that I didn't. And they did.
Honestly nobody cares. Sheeping is fine and lots of people do it. We want and expect you to get your thought processes out in the thread so we can either lynch the fuck out of you or confirm you as town.
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On February 28 2014 16:35 TheChyz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 16:31 geript wrote:
Rayn here's the situation. Scum has no thread control or presence. I'm calling it. I'm town, you're town, Wave's town, HF's town. Vivax is probably town. Like it's a really big unlynchable circle right now. Thanks for calling my post terrible and basically using almost all of the same confirmed townies that I listed aswell. ++ points to you
It's bad because there's no reasoning in it. Like there's nothing specific in the filter that you draw out or try to infer. Like, just flat out going off of my memory from reading her filter I can absolutely tell that you read it. But you aren't connecting things at all. Like I've explained each of my town reads in thread and had good reasoning behind them. Like Vivax had a really weird vivaxy heuristic he used on wave and one so unique it's hard to replicate as scum. Wave was drawing too many connections together to be scum. Mocsta had a really funny threat to wave about making him go to a computer. Rayn had the miller joke. You have this really "learning my own style" of posting that makes you look really towny to me. Trust me like there's no way anything you've posted is any worse than half the shit I posted early on but it's how you post that matters. Like syllogism had a super town read on me in LIX despite the fact my posting was godawful.
Hmmm the more I talk about it it makes you sound scummy instead of new but like it's newbyish (in a good way).
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On February 28 2014 16:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 16:37 geript wrote:On February 28 2014 16:22 Cavalinho wrote:On February 28 2014 16:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And even if Mocsta is mafia, why would Chyz not vote for one of them? One of them gets lynched 100%, why does Chyz NOT take ACTUAL credit for the lynch by hammering scum? It makes no sense to me and that's why i think he is not mafia. Again, this just banks on the fact that mafia might actually be incompetent enough to allow two of their three members to be the ones with the highest votecounts for the first day of play, which is highly unlikely. The only time I've ever seen 2 scum up for lynch was in a hydra game iirc. And that was 99% because of how active and late day shenannies there were. Like town refused as a group to lynch town and balanced on reads and were deciding which of 3 scum to lynch (Sandroba/syllogism got a free pass though). NSB and Raynmaster were the default lynch away from FMB(Prome/someone), WaveofCheesecake and MockArmor. I've read a bunch and I can't think of any other similar situation with both wagons being scum day 1. Again read these: A Quiet game mini mafiaNormal mini mafia Episode 1
Remind me after game but after skimming to see the scum teams, I think that's based more on who the teams were. Besides, Moc has actually had an ok thread presence.
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On February 28 2014 16:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:And i had asuper town read on you once because i asked if you think your hydra partner is mafia. It was so terrible reasoning it was good!
That still makes me giggle in delight.
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