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What is mocsta's scum slip?
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Well your asking me what my hunches are. Am I not allowed to post anything that I have found since then? Or should I pretend that my thoughts dont develop over time and stay 1 dimensional? Dunno what your on about.
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kk. Well I guess it was my fault for not reading correctly.
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Also on Mocsta which I didn't mention before because I thought it was not too important but all of the first posts with suki it seems like a tone of just telling her things and coaching her through the game. Just some strange interaction early on that now that mocstas read on suki changed from having some suspicion to the 2nd best town read (as rayn mentioned already)
On February 26 2014 09:38 Mocsta wrote:
Sukmi
U seem most out of place for me so far
Everyone else is relatively carefree whereas u seem more try hard - in particular your claim is overly worded
I get the history with toad, but your approach is not conducive towards gleaning alignment either
On February 26 2014 09:55 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 09:47 suki wrote:On February 26 2014 09:43 Mocsta wrote:On February 26 2014 09:42 suki wrote:On February 26 2014 09:38 Mocsta wrote:
Sukmi
U seem most out of place for me so far
Everyone else is relatively carefree whereas u seem more try hard - in particular your claim is overly worded
I get the history with toad, but your approach is not conducive towards gleaning alignment either
So are you saying I'm scummy? Scummiest so far, yes So then why isn't your vote on me? This is an unusually passive aggressive approach for early game.- And something I throw out as scum all the time. Instead of trying to understand if my read on u is genuine or feigned, u play the psychological game and twist my lack of vote as something scummy. That diversion is it self very scummy. Now suki, were u aware harry potter is not in the game??
On February 26 2014 10:07 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 10:01 suki wrote:On February 26 2014 09:55 Mocsta wrote:On February 26 2014 09:47 suki wrote:On February 26 2014 09:43 Mocsta wrote:On February 26 2014 09:42 suki wrote:On February 26 2014 09:38 Mocsta wrote:
Sukmi
U seem most out of place for me so far
Everyone else is relatively carefree whereas u seem more try hard - in particular your claim is overly worded
I get the history with toad, but your approach is not conducive towards gleaning alignment either
So are you saying I'm scummy? Scummiest so far, yes So then why isn't your vote on me? This is an unusually passive aggressive approach for early game.- And something I throw out as scum all the time. Instead of trying to understand if my read on u is genuine or feigned, u play the psychological game and twist my lack of vote as something scummy. That diversion is it self very scummy.Now suki, were u aware harry potter is not in the game?? lol what. ##vote MocstaI never said anything you were doing so far was scummy, so who is twisting whose words? You, on the other hand, seem really intent on twisting the things I say to be scummy. Also I'm Harry Potter, of course I'm in the game. (and for the record I'm a different Harry Potter than the game rayn linked). suki. I am confused why u r actually voting me. U have listed actions u think I have taken, yet failed to comment on why those actions are scummy. Can u go into more detail please.
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So what made you think of suki as a high town from a null read. Fill in the gap please.
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@Moscta, because most of the cases one me are weak as hell and the only thing I agree with is that I had been making fairly soft cases early on and not pushing my reads.
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On February 27 2014 01:05 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 00:54 Toadesstern wrote:
Secondly, I don't think the 2nd one is more plausible at all. It's an awfully complicated explanation for a very simple situation, or rather simple once you know what' going on. There's a crapton of people in this game and rayn may or may not be a set-up man but in the end he was the only one who was able to "dismantle" the trap in an incredibly townish fashion.
He could have dismanteled it without calling me town as well and keeping a neutral stance on me. He didn't do so. Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 00:34 Toadesstern wrote:
4) He comes up with a townread on rayn
So Geript comes up with a townread on rayn based on the conversation and calls me null, because reading rayn as town makes no sense. He's reading him as town himself for christs sake and dares to tell me my townread makes no sense?
Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 00:34 Toadesstern wrote:Best of geript1) My townread on Rayn makes no senseIt makes an awful lot of sense. There's 3 reasons for stating rayn is town in that situation, 1 being a minor one, 2 being big ones. - Rayn does not use the situation to call me a retard. That's the minor one but it's a reasonable guess to assume rayn would do so. Mafia like to call out people, they're actively searching for shit people are doing and yes, calling for people to claim miller in a set-up with no selfaware millers would be such a situation
- Rayn opting to call me town is a route that dips any confusion and chaos right in the bucket. He could be sitting there, laughing about how I misunderstood the OP and not say a word, watching as town falls into chaos because of that. Going out and telling people I'm town clears confusion 100%. That's a major townread.
- There is absolutely no reason for Rayn to call me town if he's mafia. Zero. If he's mafia he is just fine giving me a strange look without following up with a townread on me. He would be perfectly fine to just come back later, tell people he knew about it all along, as can be seen by his posts and said he though I'm being an idiot. There's literally no reason whatsoever for a mafia-rayn to call me town in that situation. That's another major townread.
Yah, it's super easy because your reasons for calling him town are completely fail. You "completely get" how I can have a townread on him for how he responds but that doesn't factor into ANY OF YOUR REASONS for him being town. Like Rayn not calling you a retard doesn't make him anything in this or any other situation. Rayn not causing chaos and confusion actually makes him more likely to be scum; have you even seen half of his town games. Every other game or so Rayn is fucking awful as town and is worse for town than if he were scum; hell he'd even say this. More importantly, he doesn't operate to cause chaos and confusion as scum; he tries to lead town to mislynches all along the way. Saving lynchbait Toadescum for later is a peachy keen plan. Rayn calling you town doesn't make him anything in this or any other situation. You visably recognize and understand how I can have a townread on him, your beef is that it doesn't extend to you for something that's completely trolly and 100% not alignment indicative of ANYONE LET ALONE YOU BISH. Get over it scum.
So let me get this straight, your still pissy about toad thinking rayn is town. Why? That doesn't help scum hunt in the slightest. All your doing is clogging up the thread trying to convince others that their town read is wrong. Guess what, not everybody will have the same town reads as you. It's not towns job to find town, its towns job to eliminate scum.
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On February 27 2014 01:19 JarJarDrinks wrote:OK I'm flip flopping on Moc again. I really like the fact that he's pushing TheChyz who I'm having a hard time reading any of his posts as town motivated. Look @ how he retracts his read on me: Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 14:49 TheChyz wrote:
NVM on the JJD case. I'm retarded and kept thinking he was refering to mocsta and not gumshoe. I also don't call him mafia cause 1 scummy thing from a person doesn't mean they are mafia. His retraction here doesn't make sense. Here's my statement in question: Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 11:42 JarJarDrinks wrote:On February 26 2014 11:33 Mocsta wrote:
So...
in Back to basics as both town, you found me scummy.
in GSL Mini IV as me scum you town... you found me townie.
in this game you find me scummy.... guess that means im town.
Congratz JJD.
Lol, I thought rayn was the only person I always read backwards. But actually, I'm starting to come around on you being town because I feel like gumshoe is using you to try and get suki lynched. Like I think u've been acting kinda scummy mostly because of ur suki read. But it's way scummier to call you town and sheep that case. Him saying that he "kept thinking [I] was refering to mocsta and not gumshoe" makes no sense whatsoever. He retracted his statement cause of thread sentiment and came up w/ a BS reason.
LOL JJD. I don't get it. so if im wrong on something for misreading it I'm suppose to still push the case? It's super scummy if you think about it in this sentence "I [JJD] think its way scummier to call you town and sheep that case" which is what I kept on thinking it was. So my dropping my case cause i messed up a read is wrong?
I was refferring to gumshoe about mocsta. Chz thought I was scummy because he thought I was referring to myself about mocsta.
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I'm not sure or I would have already outed them. Currently I feel pretty confident in geript. He hasn't really brought up anything in the thread that I found town indicative and is re-hashing the toad/rayn miller think over and over.
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On February 27 2014 05:46 Holyflare wrote:Still want thechyz to answer this by the way it's the only thing i want him to write about before i get a stance on him x_x Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 20:47 Holyflare wrote:TheChyz you were getting called out for your filter not really saying much and your response was that you don't like to call someone mafia for doing 1 scummy thing, yet, in the next few posts you make a case on geript that literally only focuses on 1 aspect of his play (although he has shit all yes). What changed between those few posts that you felt compelled to make a case on someone who isn't doing much, has been talked about for the exact reasons you posted before and is doing nothing before you have even talked to them? + Show Spoiler +On February 26 2014 15:12 TheChyz wrote:
You guys can play having 1 scummy thing on someone and immediately call them mafia. I don't. On February 26 2014 16:38 TheChyz wrote:kk. With geript I still have a problem of how he was so quick to say that rayn and toad couldn't be scum together. There was no explanation why he made that conclusion until I finally made him answer with Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 12:33 geript wrote:On February 26 2014 12:26 TheChyz wrote:
Hey geript I'm not a moron you know. My memory lasts more than a few minutes. Would you mind explain why rayn and toad can't be scum together. (for the third time...) A few things. One is how chummy they are early makes it unlikely they'd be together. Second, Rayn is probably town for his geript cop joke; it took me like 3 minutes to get that one. Third, I like Rayn's WoS vote and minor push; WoS has been trolling really weird to start off with and isn't his usual witty self. Fourth, they wouldn't both likely push back against me as scum together this early. Like I'm apparently unreadable to people which is totally crazy in my mind. All of these points are terrible. It seems more like he just put out some random statement and after being asked to answer on it it seems like he is backtracking. See how he goes to make several points. Not only does it seem like he is trying to be over defensive but that most of them are just a big pile of poop. Let's go over the points: 1) I don't even know what chummy means but it seems like the way you guys are acting early on. Again that doesn't really say anything and is something anybody can say about almost anything. 2) He is backtracking to a joke rayn made that makes him town? Well shit i think he just solved mafia. People making jokes = town. I don't understand the context but I believe that is irrelevant. 3) I don't even understand this one. Something again that rayn is towny to him. 4) Saying how its unlikely for something to happen which does not seem unlikely at all. In all of these points, NOTHING again answers why he think rayn and toad cannot be scum together. If anything it seems more like he is developing a rayn town read. This all seems like a load of backtracking and most likely hoping that he wouldn't get called out for his words before hand. Apart from that everything else just has no effort to even try and scum hunt. Thought he was kinda scummy but not this scummy until re-reading his filter now. Did kiterayn just fly away on you? ##Vote geript
I was getting shit for playing the way I wanted to play and people wouldn't stop circlejerking around the fact that I don't play like they expect. So instead of trying to argue about philosophies in which is such a tangential topic I decided that I would have to learn to play the TL way and give them what they expect of me and that is to make a case. And also I had my thoughts on geript as most scummy for quiet some time in the game so thats why I talked about him.
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I think WoS and Toad are the most towny. On the flipside vivax is playing very overdefensive and he goes in his long post about WoS which I think was just more about trying to find something scummy and have people jump on it. It's fairly easy having a bias on someone being scum and being able to find some small scummy things but nothing he said seemed concrete. Also I don't like that he does not want to share his read on me.
On February 27 2014 04:37 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 04:27 JarJarDrinks wrote:
vivax, how do you feel about Chyz or the people voting him? I find it odd that you haven't mentioned him despite the fact that he's got 4 votes on him right now. I'd rather find it odd/scummy if I had mentioned the vote-leader and not anyone else. Leave no stone unturned. I don't think he's scum at the moment. I'd rather not expand on the reasons cause:1. I could be wrong and I'd be taking away pressure from him.2. I prefer to focus on the people I find suspicious.
Also in bolded it just seems very manufactured and why would you not be willing to share a read on someone no matter what is happening to them. Especially if someone is being voted on quiet a bit, if you think they aren't scum, wouldn't you atleast look at him/her more to see why that is the case and make your case on it instead of ignoring it. It's like he is ok if town were to mislynch because he didn't want to take any pressure off me. Might be just me but it seemed hella weird.
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On February 27 2014 08:03 Vivax wrote:Chyz I have a question Show nested quote +
And somethings on mocsta but I have to re-read his filter to see what. Mostly I just remember his very jumpy nature from a target to another and his vote is very weak in my opinion.
Can you go into detail on why you found the vote very weak at the time? Mind you that this post triggered Mocs vote on you. Also do you think Moc or geript is a better lynch today?
I believe that was when his vote was on gumshoe. Basically he was agreeing with gumshoe all game until this post.
On February 26 2014 11:37 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 10:08 gumshoe wrote:
Mocsta seems into it this game, overall just sharper off the bat then when I was scum together with him just a few days ago. Hes been rolling red alot lately and thats been frustrating him, but I hear none of that agitation in his posts so far. Preliminary read of course, but I feel good about his accusation not coming from a place of deceit. So now I'm left wondering, is he right about Suki? Suki's post doesn't quite feel like it was thought out days in advance, (it's a fairly sloppy one and obviously susceptible to critique) but it does feel crafted, which gives me the sense that she read her pm an hour ago and started over thinking her opening. The post itself is also one that calls back to old games, an attempt at inducing nostalgia. How someones posting makes us feel can easily influence our perception of them and the harry potter claim might be aiming for that.
If Suki isn't scum she's either a) nervous, or b) baiting. Suki, which explanation do you prefer? hmm I didnt get WoS point about and/or But rereading this from JJD post, I noticed something stick out to me. The stuff in red/blue is the biggest load of marketing crap I have read in this game so far.
So nothing on gumshoe all game long and suddenly he doesn't like his marketting crap? And then later ironically he unvotes gumshoe for "pulling on his strings". Kinda ironic since the marketing crap talks "How someones posting makes us feel can easily influence our perception of them".
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I still don't understand vivax why you wouldn't take a look at me after quiet a bit of the voting has gone my way. Do you somehow know I'm town? My filter is short enough so it surely is not the effort required.
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Not sure what you mean but I'm pretty sure I've answered you twice. I had on JJD my scum read cause he seemed really scummy from the thing he posted. It ended up being I misinterpreted it and I dropped the case. Idk why you are still so adamant about this since this is my 3rd time answering.
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Holy SHIT
On February 27 2014 07:59 TheChyz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 05:46 Holyflare wrote:Still want thechyz to answer this by the way it's the only thing i want him to write about before i get a stance on him x_x On February 26 2014 20:47 Holyflare wrote:TheChyz you were getting called out for your filter not really saying much and your response was that you don't like to call someone mafia for doing 1 scummy thing, yet, in the next few posts you make a case on geript that literally only focuses on 1 aspect of his play (although he has shit all yes). What changed between those few posts that you felt compelled to make a case on someone who isn't doing much, has been talked about for the exact reasons you posted before and is doing nothing before you have even talked to them? + Show Spoiler +On February 26 2014 15:12 TheChyz wrote:
You guys can play having 1 scummy thing on someone and immediately call them mafia. I don't. On February 26 2014 16:38 TheChyz wrote:kk. With geript I still have a problem of how he was so quick to say that rayn and toad couldn't be scum together. There was no explanation why he made that conclusion until I finally made him answer with Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 12:33 geript wrote:On February 26 2014 12:26 TheChyz wrote:
Hey geript I'm not a moron you know. My memory lasts more than a few minutes. Would you mind explain why rayn and toad can't be scum together. (for the third time...) A few things. One is how chummy they are early makes it unlikely they'd be together. Second, Rayn is probably town for his geript cop joke; it took me like 3 minutes to get that one. Third, I like Rayn's WoS vote and minor push; WoS has been trolling really weird to start off with and isn't his usual witty self. Fourth, they wouldn't both likely push back against me as scum together this early. Like I'm apparently unreadable to people which is totally crazy in my mind. All of these points are terrible. It seems more like he just put out some random statement and after being asked to answer on it it seems like he is backtracking. See how he goes to make several points. Not only does it seem like he is trying to be over defensive but that most of them are just a big pile of poop. Let's go over the points: 1) I don't even know what chummy means but it seems like the way you guys are acting early on. Again that doesn't really say anything and is something anybody can say about almost anything. 2) He is backtracking to a joke rayn made that makes him town? Well shit i think he just solved mafia. People making jokes = town. I don't understand the context but I believe that is irrelevant. 3) I don't even understand this one. Something again that rayn is towny to him. 4) Saying how its unlikely for something to happen which does not seem unlikely at all. In all of these points, NOTHING again answers why he think rayn and toad cannot be scum together. If anything it seems more like he is developing a rayn town read. This all seems like a load of backtracking and most likely hoping that he wouldn't get called out for his words before hand. Apart from that everything else just has no effort to even try and scum hunt. Thought he was kinda scummy but not this scummy until re-reading his filter now. Did kiterayn just fly away on you? ##Vote geript I was getting shit for playing the way I wanted to play and people wouldn't stop circlejerking around the fact that I don't play like they expect. So instead of trying to argue about philosophies in which is such a tangential topic I decided that I would have to learn to play the TL way and give them what they expect of me and that is to make a case. And also I had my thoughts on geript as most scummy for quiet some time in the game so thats why I talked about him.
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On February 27 2014 11:57 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 11:41 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 27 2014 11:40 geript wrote:
So I can vote for the following peeps:
HF
Gummybear
JJD
[red]Toadscum So....completely devoid of any care as to what the thread is doing right now. Useful. No, Mocs town. Vivax town. Suki new. Calvininho is new. So there's 4 people to vote for and 1 is 100% scum. [/b]
Geript quick response please without re-reading thread, is there any other reason as to why toad is scum apart from that 1 interaction with rayn early on?
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On February 27 2014 05:52 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 05:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
geript and Toad can you give your opinions on Mocsta? I think he's town but that's only based on his post about having to go to his computer to post or something. WaveofShadowHolyflare gumshoe Ange777 ToadessternCavalinho JarJarDrinks TheChyz soft tho suki raynpelikoneetMocsta soft tho Vivax GeriptSo what do yout hink about suki and gumshoe? I haven't really looked at them.
On February 27 2014 11:40 geript wrote:
So I can vote for the following peeps:
HF
Gummybear
JJD
[red]Toadscum [/b]
How did your read on change from nulls on both HF and JJD to a possible vote? Like apart from the random vote early on JJD you haven't really talked about these 2 much but suddenly they fall under the people you are ok lynching. Your thought process is abysmal. Explain
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On February 27 2014 12:10 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 12:04 Holyflare wrote:On February 27 2014 11:59 gumshoe wrote:On February 27 2014 11:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 27 2014 11:49 gumshoe wrote:On February 27 2014 11:44 JarJarDrinks wrote:On February 27 2014 11:41 gumshoe wrote:
1: Find me an exact quote where he renounces specifically his initial suspicion of her post. On February 26 2014 17:29 Mocsta wrote:On February 26 2014 17:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So Mocsta why does your read on suki end up in null after a reread and then boombadaboom it's suddenly top 2 town? I like her attitude after my callout. I dont think a scum Suki had any need to maintain thread presence after I was getting hammered. Also, on a reread, I agreed with JJD that Suki was actually relatively light hearted.I completely misread that her dig on Toad was a retort to Toad calling her out, for example. There one or two other minor things, but I dont think its important to discuss them right now. There is a difference between conceding that someone isn't scum because of one post, and believing so firmly in their townieness as a result of that null at best opening, that one is willing to literally orient their play around that person alignment. I am going to answer this. What the fuck are you doing? Fuck you man, I dont wanna hear shit from you, your so fucking blind it scares me, how the fuck can you believe that Moc is scum after the game that you just hydrad with him!? The two play styles are totally different. You should be the one defending him honestly, yet your so caught up in your own massive ego that even when you realize how scummy suki is, you still wont give up on Moc, cause that would mean you were wrong wouldnt it? And we cant have that now can we, cause thats never happened before right? you argued that mocsta was happy at the start of the game which you aligned with him being town, he's put under pressure with 24 hours remaining and all but concedes with a list post and how he is unhappy/now demotivated so why is he so town for it, I don't understand? If I was angry about rolling scum every game, I would troll to make up the difference in enjoyment and when If I finally did roll town I would be elated and of course to be all but declared scum soon after would crush me. Mocsta's melancholy makes absolute sense in my eyes. There is also a difference between conceding as a depressed townie and rage quiting as scum, he offers us a list he absolutely doesnt have to, scum Moc would just say "fuck this town, everyone so bad" and not offer us more reads to go off. Moc is not in a place to put this much effort into a game as scum, hes not scum, stop calling him scum.
Like I understand coming from GSL that you would think that. I was able to obs the game and my conclusion at the start of this game was the same, but it was only that, at the very start. I don't know how you all play and such so I just commented that Mocsta atm was the only person that gave off a townie vibe. However as the game progresses that same logic can't be applied. Just because he puts more effort is not a valid reason for you to guarantee that mocsta is not scum. Like mentioned by rayn (?) the GSL game was just a drawn out lurker fest which is actually probably the reason why mocsta got so antsy. Stop sticking to this argument this late in the game, its useless.
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if your able to see this mocsta (and others) can you write chyz when you say my name? its a short name and cntl+f makes stuff simpler. thanks
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