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On February 20 2014 10:40 Toadesstern wrote:
@rayn: Can't be #1 because I have no idea how someone could have come to that conclusion based on the phrasing from our lovevly host.
On February 20 2014 11:12 Toadesstern wrote:
Your explanation is possible, that's the sad thing here.
Toad how do these two comments go together?
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Hi! So this is what i don't get:
I understand that prplhz's contradiction is not a contradiction, which leads me to this; First he says i do something scummy. Okay i can get that. Then marv says it's not scummy. Then i give my reasoning for what i did what i did. Then prplhz says it's scummy but he also says it's not scummy because marv said so. My problem is why does he need marv say it's not scummy before he realises this? Also after this he STILL thinks it's scummy but not really. Can anyone tell me does prplhz really think it's scummy or not himself and why? My other concern is when exactly prplhz drops the scumread on me? Nothing one ever says is not necessarily scummy. The only reason that makes anything scummy is if there is no townie reason for saying something. prplhz is not even looking why i am saying what i am, he only looks the action itself and paints as something. That's the wrong way.
suki keeps talking about this and he doesn't even think it's scummy. Why? Why keep talking about something that's not helping? Not only that, she keeps attacking the ONLY person who actually agrees with him on this (Balla). Why? She is also not looking about "why" instead of "what". Balla made it very clear why he said what he did and i totally get that. It's not really hard to see why if you read Balla's posts.
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Has anyone ever played with prplhz in a game where he is actually pro-active from the start as town? Because i can't remember one.
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So if you read prpl's posts can you tell what he really thinks now? Because i can't. I don't know if he thinks my plan was scummy or not (btw that was not his reasoning in the first place for voting for me).
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The reason he gave for voting for me was literally because i did not want to vote for anyone 15 minutes into the game.
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Palmar why do you think kush is town?
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marv can you explain this:
Toad is passingly familiar enough with rayn to know that's not how rayn operates.
Because this is totally not true. I don't know where did you get this?
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From prplhz/suki/Toad Toad looks the most townie to me. I actually get his vote and the reasoning and what he says (even the point marv voted him for) from townie perspective. The only post that looks really bad to me is this one:
On February 20 2014 10:48 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2014 10:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Palmar the problem is not that if you make it clear or not. It's if other people think you are being clear or not which is not always so easily said. You know how this shit works, scum misrepresent everything people do because that's how you lynch townies. Why not reduce the possible amount of misrepresentations by an easy policy that does no harm in any case? there's plenty of people throwing around votes in every single game, for fun, for policy, for random reasons or whatever else. So if it's not a problem in any other game, why do you think it's going to be a problem in this one to the point that you think we should make a "no voting someone else unless you're super certain" policy? Do you actually think it's something that should be policy in every game?
Because this is totally not what i said and it proves Toad is not really even reading my posts or trying to understand me.
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On February 20 2014 21:31 marvellosity wrote:
Dunno. Seems like it should be true. Toad's been around lately and you've been around.
I don't think i had a single conversation with Toad in that game and the SMB game proves he definitely does not get how i operate and actually demonstrates the same thing i see here, he is not reading my posts properly. Which apparently is not scummy for him.
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btw if sidesprang does not do stuff we lynch him on D1. I am sick of this shit where people don't play.
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Well the "he knows how rayn operates" is totally false. 
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Like this is exactly what happened in SMB game in chronological order:
- I have Oats as my #1 scumread, Toad as #2.
- Toad does something i think is scummy.
- I vote for Toad.
- Toad says "why don't you vote for Oats who is your top scumread"
- I tell him "because you did this that made me reconsider who is the scummiest and i think it's you"
- "No you are mafia because you are not voting for your top scumread"
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So yes, i can totally see town!Toad say what he did.. 
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On February 20 2014 21:46 marvellosity wrote:
those things are totally unrelated to what he did this game... ?
Well doesn't what he says make sense? I mean his explanation after you pointed out this:
1) "I'm not going after him seriously"
and
2) "but I need to hear from him about this"
1) is backing out of it and yet you're pushing it with 2)
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That's more like "at first i was not voting him seriously but now i want to hear more from him because of this stuff prplhz said" no?
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On February 20 2014 21:55 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2014 17:39 Palmar wrote:On February 20 2014 11:44 prplhz wrote:On February 20 2014 11:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So what was your reasoning for unvoting as town or as mafia? I guarantee as mafia it's most likely "because i would do that as town" as in "i try to look townie" because that's why you do things as mafia right?
So we can exclude that part. What was your reasoning for unvote as town? top kek You don't think there was ever a scum who was like "Shit, I need to get my vote off of this guy because this vote is a little silly and it's attracting attention to me. I guess I'll try to do it in a townie way." The whole "scum act like town so we can never catch them"-idea is silly. Scum can't perfectly act like town and the more we force them to act the less they look like town (ideally). I don't agree with your logic prplhz. IF rayn is mafia he's not dumb enough to create an entire plan to simply get his vote off someone. If he is mafia the reason he did this is he thought the plan would be well-received in town and considered advantageous for town, thus giving him townie points for not really doing anything. that wasn't my point, rayn said that unvoting is a townie thing and whenever scum do it it's because they want to look townie, then i said that that didn't matter because they would still do it in a scummy way rayn thinks that unvoting is something townies do to make their stance clear and scum do it to emulate townies so it's a good thing if we implement an unvote plan because then townies can avoid having weird votes and we can't catch scums on it anyway because they're just acting like townies my point is that scum ideally will not be able to act like townies all the time and forcing them to have an opinion and not unvoting is going to make it more likely that they'll slip and more likely that we'll catch them i don't think that a scum rayn would create and push this plan for the benefit scum has from an unvote mechanism either. i just think the whole plan is more likely to come from a scum POV than a town POV. he is arguing for why it's a good idea for town (of course any scum would only push a plan if they think they can convince town it is good for them) but i think that's because of the conflicting "i am scum so i want to do something good for town but not actually" POV.
But you know, unvoting IS having an opinion.
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On February 20 2014 21:59 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2014 21:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Palmar why do you think kush is town? I like some points he's made. Show nested quote +On February 20 2014 09:13 VIVAX420 wrote:On February 20 2014 09:09 Toadesstern wrote:
Why are you actively looking for a way to pseudo-unvote? I don't even see a reason why someone should care about that. wait so you are implying that scum is going to be afraid of the default votes enough to come up with a plan like that? Show nested quote +On February 20 2014 10:36 VIVAX420 wrote:
toad you are backtracking so hard. it's not serious, yet you gave shitty but serious reasons for it. Show nested quote +On February 20 2014 12:06 VIVAX420 wrote:
why vote prpl? just because of the contradiction in that post you quoted? it wasn't so much a contradiction as it was a realization that marv had a good point. Show nested quote +On February 20 2014 12:09 VIVAX420 wrote:
rayn nvm that garbage you are pushing. I think you are misunderstanding the intentions behind that post. It's like "hmmm this was my argument, but then again marv has a good point"
prpl seems really pro town so far.
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What do you think of toad?
Do you know that when kush is mafia he loves nothing more than being right?
If prplhz is town and Toad is scum oh boy how that fits into scum!kush.
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There is one thing that makes me think kush is not really reading properly.
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It's this post and the conversation that took place after that:
On February 20 2014 12:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also when exactly did you stop thinking i am mafia? Could you point out the post that made you think so. Normally i would think people stop thinking other people are mafia when they unvote the person but apparently it's impossible in this game because people are being retarded and i am being called stupid.
On February 20 2014 12:43 VIVAX420 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2014 09:09 Toadesstern wrote:
Why are you actively looking for a way to pseudo-unvote? I don't even see a reason why someone should care about that. thoughts on that?
On February 20 2014 12:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2014 12:43 VIVAX420 wrote:On February 20 2014 09:09 Toadesstern wrote:
Why are you actively looking for a way to pseudo-unvote? I don't even see a reason why someone should care about that. thoughts on that? Could you clarify the question? I don't understand what do you want.
On February 20 2014 12:50 VIVAX420 wrote:
k that's a no. you have no thoughts on that.
Does it look like kush really cares about his question? Because the bolded part is an answer to his question.
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