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Also Palmar saying he wanted to lynch geript D1 is farcical considering what he said about geript D1. He went back and forth wifflewaffling all day and ended up on Cora. He even said "Welp marv thinks geript town so meh". Unless he's talking about this post
On February 10 2014 05:55 Palmar wrote:
ok I'm back. My reading of the last few pages has been a bit sketchy, but whatever.
I don't think I want to lynch Kosher. Other people I don't want to lynch include WoS, Oats, myself, Risen etc.
I worry about the Cora wagon. I pointed out some inconsistency in his play myself, but his random vote on me there before he switched is really head scratching if he's mafia. Now his is obviously not going to make much sense to anyone but myself, but given how he's been wanting to kill me and been casually calling me out all game, it seems like a strange vote as it makes it more likely he'll flip AND if he flips mafia he's basically confirming me as town.
So knowing my own alignment, his move just doesn't make any sense if he's mafia.
I'd much rather lynch somewhere into geript, marv, VE, rayn, or even holyfare.
I'm unsure about yamato...
...where he lumps geript in with a bunch of townies as his lynch preferences, then Palmar was never even close to wanting to lynch geript on D1. But he's using that as reasoning why he should be listened to NOW when he's trying to lynch another townie, one who has spent an inordinate amount of time in this thread trying to figure out this game.
Kill it with fire.
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And Palmar, I'm not intentionally being mean - I'm just infuriated that you spend all game going "Gosh I wish VE would do something" and then when I finally DO do something you want me dead. If you're town, you can understand my frustration. If you're scum, you can eat a dick. <3
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On February 18 2014 01:55 VisceraEyes wrote:
HF is Palmar scum? I'm very biased right now.
No :p don't think he is no matter how inflated his geript lynch claim ego is
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Then make me believe Grack is scum.
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I've been there ve, 2 days ago, got so mad at him that i thought he was scum and was picking everything out of his filter as scummy. He wouldn't be scum in a marv/rayn/palmar lynch because he was most likely to die
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Well I'm in my exam now, starts at 5.30 and won't be back till 10 x_x
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On February 18 2014 02:18 Holyflare wrote:
I've been there ve, 2 days ago, got so mad at him that i thought he was scum and was picking everything out of his filter as scummy. He wouldn't be scum in a marv/rayn/palmar lynch because he was most likely to die
I thought that too, it's literally the ONLY reason I cleared him after Nomination 1, but this is over-the-top retarded man.
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Couldn't scum read thread sentiment and realize that it would clear Palmar to put him in a Nomination with marv/rayn? Like, I typically don't try and consider play like that, but this ridiculous push to lynch me has me thinking all kinds of stuff I shouldn't necessarily be considering.
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On February 18 2014 02:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
And Palmar, I'm not intentionally being mean - I'm just infuriated that you spend all game going "Gosh I wish VE would do something" and then when I finally DO do something you want me dead. If you're town, you can understand my frustration. If you're scum, you can eat a dick. <3
Well he doesnt want you dead cause he thinks you are scum. He wants you dead because of the possibility that you are scum.
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On February 18 2014 02:23 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2014 02:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
And Palmar, I'm not intentionally being mean - I'm just infuriated that you spend all game going "Gosh I wish VE would do something" and then when I finally DO do something you want me dead. If you're town, you can understand my frustration. If you're scum, you can eat a dick. <3 Well he doesnt want you dead cause he thinks you are scum. He wants you dead because of the possibility that you are scum.
But that literally doesn't even make any sense. Why would he think Grack is confirmed town for being nominated but not me? There's even sentiment in this thread for lynching me, why would he not consider me confirmed town for being nominated? It doesn't jive with the way he's played the rest of this game at all.
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Think about this: scum put up Palmar/VE/Grack for lynch today. Of those three, who has been in the thread trying to figure shit out and find scum the most over the last 72 hours? Or in other words, of those three, who do you think scum hope gets lynched? I'll give you a hint: confirmed scum Keirathi made a huge case against one of them.
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I'm not scum, I'm not this nice to you when I'm scum. 100% legit meta.
And yes, if you're town, I sorta get why you're frustrated, and tbh I wouldn't mind if it was you who got nominated with reyn and marv on day 2, that would've been great, no pressure on me.
And it's probably my fault, not yours, that I'm not confident/good enough to know the difference between your townplay and your scumplay. But I've often said, and you know I have, that I'm not that good at mafia beyond the first day or so. It's very difficult for me to go from thinking you're mafia to thinking you're town, based on you suddenly becoming supertown on like day 4. That's just far out of my comfort zone. You're playing well when I'm playing badly.
But pls, don't take geript credit away from me. It was legit push.
On February 09 2014 06:30 Palmar wrote:
It actually kind of does.
I've finished reading the thread. I think we should kill geript. I may be biased because I think he's a dick, but I also think he has a good chance of being scum.
##Vote: geript
On February 09 2014 06:40 Palmar wrote:
Well the last one is that he claims to have played strong enough towngame to be considered obvious town, decided to ignore Risen's inquiry about an explanation. I think it should be fairly obvious to himself he does not look like town to everyone in the game.
There are several other things that stand out. He opened the game by going after two players unlikely to defend themselves at that point in the game. The Oats asked him about his intentios with the vote which is a perfectly reasonable question but that prompted geript to call the question stupid and countervote Oats, which is clearly not very productive. I mean maybe he's just decided to be a dick which would actually fit what I think of him in general, but it's not helping us win the game and if he continues to play like this I'd frankly simply be ok with lynching him no matter his alignment just so I don't have to deal with him.
But there's also the option that he's being a dick because it's easier than playing normally when you're scum... so..
On February 09 2014 06:53 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2014 06:48 geript wrote:On February 09 2014 06:40 Palmar wrote:
Well the last one is that he claims to have played strong enough towngame to be considered obvious town, decided to ignore Risen's inquiry about an explanation. I think it should be fairly obvious to himself he does not look like town to everyone in the game.
There are several other things that stand out. He opened the game by going after two players unlikely to defend themselves at that point in the game. The Oats asked him about his intentios with the vote which is a perfectly reasonable question but that prompted geript to call the question stupid and countervote Oats, which is clearly not very productive. I mean maybe he's just decided to be a dick which would actually fit what I think of him in general, but it's not helping us win the game and if he continues to play like this I'd frankly simply be ok with lynching him no matter his alignment just so I don't have to deal with him.
But there's also the option that he's being a dick because it's easier than playing normally when you're scum... so.. No this is blatantly false and Palmar's fucking scum for trying to push me like this. Everyone who's ever played with me should know like the simplest way to read me is by filter length. Marv explained it in LoL. It's been true every time. I fucking struggle like hell to post as scum. Palmar even fucking knows this; he played LXI or whatever one I was confrimed town in and my activity was shit for most of the game. Not only this, but Palmar is trying to skew my actions on Oats. Oats is generally pretty easy to read based on how much of a dick he's being in combination with his activity. As town, Oats is far more willing to get into shitfests at any moment and is far more active than he is as scum. Just like in LoL he wasn't a dick early, despite being given the option to get into a shitfest he's just avoided it. So yah, PALMAR IS SCUMB!!!!!!!!!Palmar is scum with Oats and is using his name to protect him just like Rayn does. What is blatantly false? I'm not sure I'm following you. I think everything I said in my post was in fact true. I don't care what you think should be the best way to read you. How am I trying to skew your actions, literally what I said happened. I'll even quote it. Show nested quote +On February 08 2014 11:32 Oatsmaster wrote:
What are you hoping your vote will achieve geript? No one is gonna lynch va just because of that.
Its not useful to discuss the nomination mechanic now so dont Show nested quote +On February 08 2014 12:54 geript wrote:
##unvote
##vote Oats
Stupid question bro. I put my vote where I wanna. Are you denying this happened? I mean feel free to attack my conclusion, but you can't attack my premise, that's just dumb. Also, I don't care what you think about "how players normally are". I'm not going to let people get away with doing stuff on "meta".
On February 09 2014 07:06 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2014 07:02 geript wrote:On February 09 2014 06:59 Palmar wrote:On February 09 2014 06:56 geript wrote:On February 09 2014 06:51 Risen wrote:On February 09 2014 06:48 geript wrote:On February 09 2014 06:40 Palmar wrote:
Well the last one is that he claims to have played strong enough towngame to be considered obvious town, decided to ignore Risen's inquiry about an explanation. I think it should be fairly obvious to himself he does not look like town to everyone in the game.
There are several other things that stand out. He opened the game by going after two players unlikely to defend themselves at that point in the game. The Oats asked him about his intentios with the vote which is a perfectly reasonable question but that prompted geript to call the question stupid and countervote Oats, which is clearly not very productive. I mean maybe he's just decided to be a dick which would actually fit what I think of him in general, but it's not helping us win the game and if he continues to play like this I'd frankly simply be ok with lynching him no matter his alignment just so I don't have to deal with him.
But there's also the option that he's being a dick because it's easier than playing normally when you're scum... so.. No this is blatantly false and Palmar's fucking scum for trying to push me like this. Everyone who's ever played with me should know like the simplest way to read me is by filter length. Marv explained it in LoL. It's been true every time. I fucking struggle like hell to post as scum. Palmar even fucking knows this; he played LXI or whatever one I was confrimed town in and my activity was shit for most of the game. Not only this, but Palmar is trying to skew my actions on Oats. Oats is generally pretty easy to read based on how much of a dick he's being in combination with his activity. As town, Oats is far more willing to get into shitfests at any moment and is far more active than he is as scum. Just like in LoL he wasn't a dick early, despite being given the option to get into a shitfest he's just avoided it. So yah, PALMAR IS SCUMB!!!!!!!!!Palmar is scum with Oats and is using his name to protect him just like Rayn does. Might listen to you if you didn't include things like this in your posting. Why are you lying about what Palmar is doing? I don't know what Palmar is doing exactly. But he's completely and intentionally misconstruing my actions against Oats. Hell, Palmar IIRC has had scumreads on oats before due to lack of activity. The fact that he's painting my actions on Oats so scummy and not even looking at Oats is scummy as fuck. He's chainsawing onto me and using his "name" to put pressure. How isn't that exactly what I posted and what he did? Second, how do you even know what Palmar is doing? That either means that you know that Palmar is town because you're scum or you're both scum together. Explain. 1. Where did I say I'm not looking at Oats? 2. I even said that I assumed the rest of town is better than me by now, so how am I "using my name" 3. He knows what I'm doing because he has read my posts 1. You're trying to push me based on complete bullshit instead of Oats. That warrants protecting him. 2. Despite what you say, we all know that you think you're the best at this game ever or some other hsit. 3. Why answer for him? Do you want to protect him too? 1. If that is protecting, then yeah, I'm protecting every single player in the game except you at the moment. I could push oats, but I could also be pushing other people. I decided to push you. 2. How on earth am I meant to answer that... are you seriously accusing me of being Palmar? I don't have an alternative account I can post under. Please stop this. 3. Because I can.
On February 09 2014 10:03 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2014 07:21 geript wrote:On February 09 2014 07:08 Palmar wrote:
Also, I'm still waiting for you to answer Risen's question about why you should be considered obvious-town. I'm expecting a bit of self-analysis where you point out why certain actions or posts can only be explained by you being town. And don't use meta, I don't give a shit about meta. How the fuck am I not supposed to use meta. How do you think people play mafia with people they don't know well? Show nested quote +On February 09 2014 07:21 geript wrote:I've literally been intentionally interacting with people to get a read on them. Like the Scooby doo post with Alakaslam. The best way to read him now and always is to determine whether or not he's having fun in the game. Like if he's carefree and having fun then he's town; as scum he gets all tense and freezes up. So my point was to get a series of interactions with him where I could tell the difference. The fact that he replaced out bothers me and I'm not quite sure what to think of it. This is fair, it's obviously a bit dumb, but I guess the story makes sense. Show nested quote +On February 09 2014 07:21 geript wrote:Then there's the Oats thing which I've already covered. There's the activity thing which you seem content to ignore completely despite the fact that it's true. You say you've "covered" the Oats thing, but I still don't understand why you couldn't just answer Oats the question at the time. I mean you've now explained why you did what you did, and since you changed your vote in the same post you refused Oats an answer, your "poke" was no longer valid, so I still struggle with why you feel like you have to be a dick. Show nested quote +On February 09 2014 07:21 geript wrote:Hell, I even wanted to understand how VE was intending to approach Cora as I figured it'd help me give a read on him. Like I pick and probe so that I can get reads You said something like "treat cora like geript is in the game (tm)". I have no idea what that even means. Show nested quote +On February 09 2014 07:21 geript wrote:
I'm literally like the simplest person to read ever. The fact that people can't ever even fucking read me right is so frustrating when i was so fucking stoked to just be able to play a fucking game again. You think you're easy to read, but because you fucking insist on being a dick and intentionally do stupid and bad things, you're not. It's objectively bad to do some of the things you've done. If you want to be easy to read, be less of a dick and less disruptive. That all being said I need to consider. I have no opinion on Marv yet but he seems to think you're town... so idk. Please come back to the thread more useful and less asshole.
On February 09 2014 10:07 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2014 10:04 marvellosity wrote:
Thing is, Palmar, I like your "who sees themselves as obv town" question because it's kooky, and I thnk in a good way.
I'm not sure I agree on what you've done for the results. In my experience town are far more likely to think they look obv-town and mafia rarely think that way, even as a joke response. I constantly say I'm obv-town as town and can almost never make myself say it as mafia, as a joke or otherwise. I specifically asked people not to troll the response. So I am assuming geript's opinion of himself is genuine. His later outburst actually supports that, so that's consistent. I don't think it was a joke response. So yeah, it's entirely plausible geript just has a really hard time realizing how shit his posting is because he's caught up in trying to be a badass (why do so many people here want to be badasses?).
On February 09 2014 10:08 Palmar wrote:The eternal question of mafia. Bad, or scum? 
On February 10 2014 02:03 Palmar wrote:
How about my wagon marv? help me instead?
On February 10 2014 06:04 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2014 06:02 Risen wrote:On February 10 2014 05:55 Palmar wrote:
ok I'm back. My reading of the last few pages has been a bit sketchy, but whatever.
I don't think I want to lynch Kosher. Other people I don't want to lynch include WoS, Oats, myself, Risen etc.
I worry about the Cora wagon. I pointed out some inconsistency in his play myself, but his random vote on me there before he switched is really head scratching if he's mafia. Now his is obviously not going to make much sense to anyone but myself, but given how he's been wanting to kill me and been casually calling me out all game, it seems like a strange vote as it makes it more likely he'll flip AND if he flips mafia he's basically confirming me as town.
So knowing my own alignment, his move just doesn't make any sense if he's mafia.
I'd much rather lynch somewhere into geript, marv, VE, rayn, or even holyfare.
I'm unsure about yamato... I disagree. I think his vote on you would have been perfectly timed to get you lynched if more people had gotten on the hate train. It points to me that he isn't committed to his voting and is instead just trying to find some way to have thread presence. You also got ninja'd by a "solid" post from HF that really doesn't say much to me. It's a nice amount of effort, but it's all stuff that could be found and pointed out by someone looking to make a case on the person who's leading in votes at the moment. I would be down to lynch marv if I was feeling like a troll, but I'm not. I will say there has been very little in my mafia career that was more satisfying than fingering marv as total scum for no reason since I was getting lynched, and having him flip scum (after I flipped town and everyone just said omg Risen hydra'd with marv he must know something). God that was so long ago. Bitch please, I got marv to ragequit by tunneling him. Get on my level. I the bolded is a possible explanation, and if I can't get anything else going Cora is probably the wagon I'll support. I still think we should lynch geript. He's just fucked off and done nothing since it became clear my case wasn't winning people over easily. Also I like all the resistance to his lynch, makes me think it's more likely he's scum.
The only strange thing in that is, normally I would be less compromising about wanting to lynch my guy, but I basically didn't have my swag (been a while since I played), so I figured I needed to make a stance on the Koshi/VA/Cora thing (all were town!)
And it didn't help that Cora decided to be a dick to me.
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On February 18 2014 02:25 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2014 02:23 Oatsmaster wrote:On February 18 2014 02:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
And Palmar, I'm not intentionally being mean - I'm just infuriated that you spend all game going "Gosh I wish VE would do something" and then when I finally DO do something you want me dead. If you're town, you can understand my frustration. If you're scum, you can eat a dick. <3 Well he doesnt want you dead cause he thinks you are scum. He wants you dead because of the possibility that you are scum. But that literally doesn't even make any sense. Why would he think Grack is confirmed town for being nominated but not me? There's even sentiment in this thread for lynching me, why would he not consider me confirmed town for being nominated? It doesn't jive with the way he's played the rest of this game at all.
Because scum VE could and would make this exact argument. At least thats what I think he thinks.
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Scum VE could and would make any argument town VE could and would make. You're just being ridiculous Oats.
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On February 18 2014 02:34 VisceraEyes wrote:
Scum VE could and would make any argument town VE could and would make. You're just being ridiculous Oats.
nah some shit you just dont do as scum.
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Well enlighten me friend - please, tell me things I don't know about myself.
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No? Nothing? Talking out of your ass? That's what I thought.
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On February 18 2014 02:28 VisceraEyes wrote:
Think about this: scum put up Palmar/VE/Grack for lynch today. Of those three, who has been in the thread trying to figure shit out and find scum the most over the last 72 hours? Or in other words, of those three, who do you think scum hope gets lynched? I'll give you a hint: confirmed scum Keirathi made a huge case against one of them.
Your argument would hold up perfectly if we're talking about your average mafia player. I am not your average mafia player. I do a lot of things other people don't. Let me name a few.
- I rarely compromise on lynches, I've forced no-lynching on day 1 to stop what I thought was a town lynch.
- I have no faith in contributions during lylo
- I rarely make excuses for my absence in a thread or lack of activity, if people think I'm scum, so be it, I'm still not going to explain that I'm just busy.
- I want to policy lynch miller claims
- I don't believe in associative scumtells. I believe that's handing the mafia weapons
- I firmly believe the worst player in every game is the one that gets lynched day 1.
And I saved the most important one for last.
I strongly believe I'm very good early in the game, and I have less faith in my ability later in the game.
You have played enough games with me to know all of the above is 100% true. I can't trust late-game Palmar (who thinks you're town) over early-game Palmar (who thinks you're scum). I would not be trying to lynch you if this was a FFA lynch (probably). But it isn't.
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I dunno, I was generalizing. Im sure a game exists where you did something you never did as scum.
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I'm not saying the things I do are good things or bad things, they're just Palmar things.
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