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Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
February 17 2014 15:15 GMT
#2941
Eh I think ve is town and he thinks I'm scum. Game is over.

Gg scum back to snow land
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
February 17 2014 15:20 GMT
#2942
On February 18 2014 00:10 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2014 00:05 Palmar wrote:
On February 18 2014 00:04 VisceraEyes wrote:
On February 18 2014 00:00 Palmar wrote:
On February 17 2014 23:50 VisceraEyes wrote:
You want to kill me off so that you can "trust my reads" while you're sitting here developing your own picture of how the lynches are going to go later. You don't give a shit about my reads. You're just blowing smoke up my ass so that I'm like "Oh well if Palmar thinks I'm town then it's okay for me to die. Herp derp."


Why do you assume I'm lying.

I'm begging you to work with me. I have no idea why you are so against it. Hell if you can prove to me Grack is scum, I'll lynch him today, but then you'd also have to explain why you didn't just vote him last nomination lynch over Koshi.

I really, really want to know who you think is scum, and why.

Can you please do this for me?

I've gone on and on about why I think yamato and Risen are scum. If you're at all interested in my reads you would know this. I'm afk until after this farce is over.


That's 2/3, and apparently I'm scum too.

Do you still think Risen is scum given his contributions in this last page? I agree with Holy they're basically worthless, but I also think they feel somewhat genuine, he has a thought process and he's following it.


anyone can rationalise a town thought process when doing lylo mathematics "i am town and these are all town reads so these must be scum" is the easiest thing in the world to do, the thing he isn't doing and what makes him scum is that he's not explaining these reads in detail and out loud and he hasn't done so the entire game hence why I keep trying to get him to do it and the only thing he returns to the thread to do is talk about the lynch order again (this is the 2nd time now, it happened yesterday after me and ve came to the conclusion he was scum)


Yes, and I wasn't kidding when I said we should just lynch him for worrying about his meta more than winning and using it as an excuse for not posting.

I have a few reservations about lynching him though.

1. He responded to my "do you think you're obvious town" on day 1. The only other person to respond was geript. Risen then proceeded to immediately call for geript to explain why he should be considered obvious town. I gave Risen town points at the time for it because geript really had no business thinking other players should have a town read on him, which greatly strengthened my scumread on geript. I think Risen also called geript out more on day 1.

2. He has ever since day 2 been trying to lynch me. Given the disproportionate amount of influence I have had in the thread due to the triple-townie-nomination with marv and rayn it seems just like a bad idea in general for mafia to not trust me. The expected behavior here is to trust me, so I would assume mafia would adhere to that.

Sure, it's not enough to make him town, but I don't feel particularly confident lynching him.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
February 17 2014 15:22 GMT
#2943
On February 18 2014 00:10 Oatsmaster wrote:
Hes just shitting on us and disturbing the flow of the game Palmar.


You are a troll and VE/HF/Risen/Grack are all outposting you.

That puts you in the bottom 3 of useful people. Maybe scum is the not useful people?

fix yourself.
Computer says mafia
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
February 17 2014 15:22 GMT
#2944
Risen is epic bus king btw.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
February 17 2014 15:23 GMT
#2945
On February 18 2014 00:22 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2014 00:10 Oatsmaster wrote:
Hes just shitting on us and disturbing the flow of the game Palmar.


You are a troll and VE/HF/Risen/Grack are all outposting you.

That puts you in the bottom 3 of useful people. Maybe scum is the not useful people?

fix yourself.

Maybe you should ignore lylo play!
No gg, No skill.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
February 17 2014 15:24 GMT
#2946
On February 18 2014 00:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2014 00:22 Palmar wrote:
On February 18 2014 00:10 Oatsmaster wrote:
Hes just shitting on us and disturbing the flow of the game Palmar.


You are a troll and VE/HF/Risen/Grack are all outposting you.

That puts you in the bottom 3 of useful people. Maybe scum is the not useful people?

fix yourself.

Maybe you should ignore lylo play!


It's not like you have some kind of a brilliant fucking library to fall back on from the early days.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
February 17 2014 15:26 GMT
#2947
On February 18 2014 00:04 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2014 00:00 Palmar wrote:
On February 17 2014 23:50 VisceraEyes wrote:
You want to kill me off so that you can "trust my reads" while you're sitting here developing your own picture of how the lynches are going to go later. You don't give a shit about my reads. You're just blowing smoke up my ass so that I'm like "Oh well if Palmar thinks I'm town then it's okay for me to die. Herp derp."


Why do you assume I'm lying.

I'm begging you to work with me. I have no idea why you are so against it. Hell if you can prove to me Grack is scum, I'll lynch him today, but then you'd also have to explain why you didn't just vote him last nomination lynch over Koshi.

I really, really want to know who you think is scum, and why.

Can you please do this for me?

I've gone on and on about why I think yamato and Risen are scum. If you're at all interested in my reads you would know this. I'm afk until after this farce is over.


It's optimal play for you as both alignments to stay here and have a discussion with me.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
February 17 2014 15:29 GMT
#2948
yo HF/VE

Here's a little "spot the difference" exercise:

www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=395690&user=yamato77

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=442512&user=yamato77
Computer says mafia
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
February 17 2014 15:30 GMT
#2949
On February 18 2014 00:24 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2014 00:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
On February 18 2014 00:22 Palmar wrote:
On February 18 2014 00:10 Oatsmaster wrote:
Hes just shitting on us and disturbing the flow of the game Palmar.


You are a troll and VE/HF/Risen/Grack are all outposting you.

That puts you in the bottom 3 of useful people. Maybe scum is the not useful people?

fix yourself.

Maybe you should ignore lylo play!


It's not like you have some kind of a brilliant fucking library to fall back on from the early days.

nah. See the problem here is that Im pretty sure we think all the same people are scum, so there isnt much to do really.

We can discuss Risen though, Im cool with that.

Bleh actually reading through his filter his attitude is really really chill and he is iterating through reads and seems to have thought shit out. Mannnn. Time to read Grack.
No gg, No skill.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
February 17 2014 15:31 GMT
#2950
On February 18 2014 00:10 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2014 00:05 Palmar wrote:
On February 18 2014 00:04 VisceraEyes wrote:
On February 18 2014 00:00 Palmar wrote:
On February 17 2014 23:50 VisceraEyes wrote:
You want to kill me off so that you can "trust my reads" while you're sitting here developing your own picture of how the lynches are going to go later. You don't give a shit about my reads. You're just blowing smoke up my ass so that I'm like "Oh well if Palmar thinks I'm town then it's okay for me to die. Herp derp."


Why do you assume I'm lying.

I'm begging you to work with me. I have no idea why you are so against it. Hell if you can prove to me Grack is scum, I'll lynch him today, but then you'd also have to explain why you didn't just vote him last nomination lynch over Koshi.

I really, really want to know who you think is scum, and why.

Can you please do this for me?

I've gone on and on about why I think yamato and Risen are scum. If you're at all interested in my reads you would know this. I'm afk until after this farce is over.


That's 2/3, and apparently I'm scum too.

Do you still think Risen is scum given his contributions in this last page? I agree with Holy they're basically worthless, but I also think they feel somewhat genuine, he has a thought process and he's following it.


anyone can rationalise a town thought process when doing lylo mathematics "i am town and these are all town reads so these must be scum" is the easiest thing in the world to do, the thing he isn't doing and what makes him scum is that he's not explaining these reads in detail and out loud and he hasn't done so the entire game hence why I keep trying to get him to do it and the only thing he returns to the thread to do is talk about the lynch order again (this is the 2nd time now, it happened yesterday after me and ve came to the conclusion he was scum)

That is your reasoning though. You have consistently argued that Risen and I are scum for trying to get a free mislynch while you were afking. And then you come back and say that this is the easiest kind of suspicion. This is very similar to you voting off somebody because you didn't think they would town read you, and then coming back before the lynch and conjuring up some bullshit that I would switch off Rayn because he wasn't trying to lynch me. (which from your point of view wouldn't make me scum because I would be choosing not to kill the guy who was doing the best job of reading me)

Less complaining about the lack of discussion more analysis.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
February 17 2014 15:31 GMT
#2951
that means that I think that Risen is somewhat town.
No gg, No skill.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
February 17 2014 15:33 GMT
#2952
On February 18 2014 00:26 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2014 00:04 VisceraEyes wrote:
On February 18 2014 00:00 Palmar wrote:
On February 17 2014 23:50 VisceraEyes wrote:
You want to kill me off so that you can "trust my reads" while you're sitting here developing your own picture of how the lynches are going to go later. You don't give a shit about my reads. You're just blowing smoke up my ass so that I'm like "Oh well if Palmar thinks I'm town then it's okay for me to die. Herp derp."


Why do you assume I'm lying.

I'm begging you to work with me. I have no idea why you are so against it. Hell if you can prove to me Grack is scum, I'll lynch him today, but then you'd also have to explain why you didn't just vote him last nomination lynch over Koshi.

I really, really want to know who you think is scum, and why.

Can you please do this for me?

I've gone on and on about why I think yamato and Risen are scum. If you're at all interested in my reads you would know this. I'm afk until after this farce is over.


It's optimal play for you as both alignments to stay here and have a discussion with me.

It was optimal play for you to have this same discussion with me yesterday. You know, when you were tossing shit on me for trying to play the game. Remember? Fuck off Palmar.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
February 17 2014 15:33 GMT
#2953
On February 18 2014 00:22 Oatsmaster wrote:
Risen is epic bus king btw.

I fully believe this lol. HF and Risen just randomly start all out bussing each other after the death of Keirathi. Before that HF was strongly against me and throwing some suspicion on Risen for voting him.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
February 17 2014 15:33 GMT
#2954
ok I think Grack is firmly town which also means that Palmar is town for the paranoia in me.
No gg, No skill.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
February 17 2014 15:36 GMT
#2955
On February 18 2014 00:33 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2014 00:26 Palmar wrote:
On February 18 2014 00:04 VisceraEyes wrote:
On February 18 2014 00:00 Palmar wrote:
On February 17 2014 23:50 VisceraEyes wrote:
You want to kill me off so that you can "trust my reads" while you're sitting here developing your own picture of how the lynches are going to go later. You don't give a shit about my reads. You're just blowing smoke up my ass so that I'm like "Oh well if Palmar thinks I'm town then it's okay for me to die. Herp derp."


Why do you assume I'm lying.

I'm begging you to work with me. I have no idea why you are so against it. Hell if you can prove to me Grack is scum, I'll lynch him today, but then you'd also have to explain why you didn't just vote him last nomination lynch over Koshi.

I really, really want to know who you think is scum, and why.

Can you please do this for me?

I've gone on and on about why I think yamato and Risen are scum. If you're at all interested in my reads you would know this. I'm afk until after this farce is over.


It's optimal play for you as both alignments to stay here and have a discussion with me.

It was optimal play for you to have this same discussion with me yesterday. You know, when you were tossing shit on me for trying to play the game. Remember? Fuck off Palmar.


Maybe, but remember, despite what you claimed, I was unsure about the keirathi lynch. I felt it would be a complete waste of my time and energy to discuss things as we waited for Keir to get lynched, only to have the game end if I was town. Hence the "why are you guys even posting, the game's probably going to end tonight". I wasn't tossing shit at you, I was being gloomy and in a bad mood towards the game itself.

Now I have another lynch to worry about, and this time I don't know who to lynch. I was hoping for some help.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
February 17 2014 15:37 GMT
#2956
Why on earth are you so hostile VE? I've literally done nothing to upset you this game.
Computer says mafia
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
February 17 2014 15:37 GMT
#2957
Well good luck with that. I hope your retarded bullshit goes really well.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
February 17 2014 15:38 GMT
#2958
Its like I have not enough scumreads, what is this...
No gg, No skill.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
February 17 2014 15:38 GMT
#2959
Also I've just been trolling around for this cycle because I wanted to get a sense of who scum wanted out of the game when given the option of lynching anybody.

VE and Palmar are both absolutely town and I'm fine with getting lynched and letting them attempt to figure it out. However, I very strongly recommend lynching HF next cycle as he is the only person in this game silly enough to make the choice to nominate me. If it was both me and HF as town then scum would just nominate HF and confirm him as town and then take me out as the final mislynch and I wouldn't have even put up a fight.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
February 17 2014 15:39 GMT
#2960
PALMAR YOU ARE LITERALLY TRYING TO KILL ONE OF THE ONLY PEOPLE INTERESTED IN WINNING THE GAME FOR TOWN. WHAT THE FUCK DO YOUE XPECT ME TO DO OR THINK?!!??
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
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