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Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
February 17 2014 14:49 GMT
#2921
I think everyone is town in todays nomination but VE the least townie and this push on Palmar smells really really bad.
No gg, No skill.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
February 17 2014 14:50 GMT
#2922
You want to kill me off so that you can "trust my reads" while you're sitting here developing your own picture of how the lynches are going to go later. You don't give a shit about my reads. You're just blowing smoke up my ass so that I'm like "Oh well if Palmar thinks I'm town then it's okay for me to die. Herp derp."
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
February 17 2014 14:51 GMT
#2923
On February 17 2014 23:49 Oatsmaster wrote:
I think everyone is town in todays nomination but VE the least townie and this push on Palmar smells really really bad.

Oh look, even more kindling.

##Unvote
##Vote: VisceraEyes


Enjoy the game boys.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
February 17 2014 14:52 GMT
#2924
On February 17 2014 23:48 Holyflare wrote:
like what the hell kind of question was that lol??


I was just gauging how confident you felt in your scumread on Grack. Not much to it really.
Computer says mafia
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
February 17 2014 14:54 GMT
#2925
I don't get it, if i'm wrong I'm wrong, I've stated why I THINK Grack is scum and nobody has even commented on anything i've posted other than grack himself but suddenly it's auto-lynch if wrong and then that would just be a lost game. Is this a newbie game or what?

I want to discuss it like normal people and I've asked so many times to discuss and only VE has done it and we only got so far as risen yesterday. Yet now you're making lynch plans on who we are lynching and in what order instead of why we should be lynching these people?
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
February 17 2014 14:54 GMT
#2926
On February 17 2014 23:46 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 23:45 Palmar wrote:
On February 17 2014 23:43 Risen wrote:
On February 17 2014 23:40 Palmar wrote:
On February 17 2014 23:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
Let me ask you Palmar: why do you feel like town has a better chance of winning with Grack alive than with me alive assuming we're both town?


If you're both town, we're better off with you alive.

Lol. That five forty tho
On February 17 2014 23:40 Holyflare wrote:
On February 17 2014 23:39 Palmar wrote:
On February 17 2014 23:37 Holyflare wrote:
On February 17 2014 23:35 Palmar wrote:
On February 17 2014 23:32 VisceraEyes wrote:
Anything you can do to get that scumread Palmar. First it was because I "wasn't playing" even though I was, in fact, playing, now it's because I don't have a townread on you while you're making shit up to try and get me lynched.

LOL

Just keep reaching bro.


The first point still stands. I couldn't "make up" the other part until it became clear that you still think I'm scum.

It's not reaching, I've called you out multiple times over the course of the first few days on doing nothing, or very little, and not explaining any of your reads. All these things still stand. Given your recent contributions, you may in fact be town, but I don't think I can ever clear you.


HOW CAN YOU SAY THIS BUT THEN NOT WANT TO DISCUSS GRACK WHO DIDNT DO ANYTHING TILL DAY 3 AND EVEN THEN STILL DID NOTHING :OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO


Because I know VE far better than I know Grack. I admit, I am not 100% sure on Grack being town. I think he is, but I can't be sure. There is a reason I voted for him over Koshi, I was more sure Koshi is town.

Obviously I'm not going to have the energy to read Grack today, but if we do this correctly and lynch VE today, I will absolutely listen to each and every argument. I'm going to have to anyway.


well I think VE is town and grack is scum, dilemna... maybe you should read grack right about now and maybe you should have done it days ago when I was talking about it and all you did was troll me and try and lynch me off then too, that would be a start if you want to "win the game"

I want grack lynched so people will listen to him about hf if he's town. I support this.


We could do this, I might consider lynching Grack if HF agrees that we auto-lynch him if Grack flips town. Does that sound good HF?


no......................? that would be a lost game in that case

If you're town and grack flips town the game is already over because then conf town grack wants you dead and alive risen wants you dead, which means a townie is going to have a wasted vote.

Assuming ve and palmar are town, which I feel safe assuming, the game is solved. Lynch grack, listen to his reads, the end.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
February 17 2014 14:57 GMT
#2927
On February 17 2014 23:54 Holyflare wrote:
I don't get it, if i'm wrong I'm wrong, I've stated why I THINK Grack is scum and nobody has even commented on anything i've posted other than grack himself but suddenly it's auto-lynch if wrong and then that would just be a lost game. Is this a newbie game or what?

I want to discuss it like normal people and I've asked so many times to discuss and only VE has done it and we only got so far as risen yesterday. Yet now you're making lynch plans on who we are lynching and in what order instead of why we should be lynching these people?


We can only lynch one person per day. Since you brought up your points about Grack we haven't had a good day to discuss lynching him on.

We agree that it's a shame he didn't get lynched on the Koshi lynch day.

It's possible today is that day, but the problem is that VE is who he's up against. I wish I could just have a townread on VE, but I simply don't. I am more than willing to listen to a Grack lynch theory tomorrow, especially if VE finds time to read up on Grack before he dies tonight and reaches the same conclusion you do.

As I already stated, my question was intended to figure out how you felt about your read (I've even done it myself "I know this guy is scum, lynch him and you can lynch me if I'm wrong"). Maybe that's not how you play, but I don't know you very well.
Computer says mafia
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
February 17 2014 14:58 GMT
#2928
So I'd really like all of us to decide which of the two non nomination lynched holy, oats, yamato, or I are getting lynched.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
February 17 2014 14:59 GMT
#2929
It's my fault Holy, not yours, that I can't really focus on too many things at once. I can't deal with your case on Grack on the same time I'm trying to focus on not losing the game and wifoming myself back and forth into this keirathi lynch. You have no idea how much I struggled with that call.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
February 17 2014 15:00 GMT
#2930
On February 17 2014 23:50 VisceraEyes wrote:
You want to kill me off so that you can "trust my reads" while you're sitting here developing your own picture of how the lynches are going to go later. You don't give a shit about my reads. You're just blowing smoke up my ass so that I'm like "Oh well if Palmar thinks I'm town then it's okay for me to die. Herp derp."


Why do you assume I'm lying.

I'm begging you to work with me. I have no idea why you are so against it. Hell if you can prove to me Grack is scum, I'll lynch him today, but then you'd also have to explain why you didn't just vote him last nomination lynch over Koshi.

I really, really want to know who you think is scum, and why.

Can you please do this for me?
Computer says mafia
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
February 17 2014 15:00 GMT
#2931
Perfect count


Palmar [1]- Risen, Grackaroni, VisceraEyes

Visceraeyes [3]- Palmar, Oatsmaster, VisceraEyes

Grackaroni [2]- Holyflare, Risen

Currently Visceraeyes is set to be lynched. 9.5 hours remain. You must vote. If you see a mistake please notify
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
February 17 2014 15:01 GMT
#2932
"I am more than willing to listen to a Grack lynch theory tomorrow"

Wtf palmar? You'd waste the fucking lylo lynch on someone you could safely lynch in the next nomination cycle? Are you dense?
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
February 17 2014 15:01 GMT
#2933
Risen stop making fucking lynch orders and discuss WHY each person could be scum. If you are indeed town you need to be doing that right now.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
February 17 2014 15:03 GMT
#2934
On February 18 2014 00:01 Risen wrote:
"I am more than willing to listen to a Grack lynch theory tomorrow"

Wtf palmar? You'd waste the fucking lylo lynch on someone you could safely lynch in the next nomination cycle? Are you dense?


If I think he has the highest chance of flipping scum, sure.

I always lynch the guy I think will flip scum, especially in lylo.
Computer says mafia
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
February 17 2014 15:04 GMT
#2935
On February 18 2014 00:00 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 23:50 VisceraEyes wrote:
You want to kill me off so that you can "trust my reads" while you're sitting here developing your own picture of how the lynches are going to go later. You don't give a shit about my reads. You're just blowing smoke up my ass so that I'm like "Oh well if Palmar thinks I'm town then it's okay for me to die. Herp derp."


Why do you assume I'm lying.

I'm begging you to work with me. I have no idea why you are so against it. Hell if you can prove to me Grack is scum, I'll lynch him today, but then you'd also have to explain why you didn't just vote him last nomination lynch over Koshi.

I really, really want to know who you think is scum, and why.

Can you please do this for me?

I've gone on and on about why I think yamato and Risen are scum. If you're at all interested in my reads you would know this. I'm afk until after this farce is over.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
February 17 2014 15:05 GMT
#2936
On February 18 2014 00:04 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2014 00:00 Palmar wrote:
On February 17 2014 23:50 VisceraEyes wrote:
You want to kill me off so that you can "trust my reads" while you're sitting here developing your own picture of how the lynches are going to go later. You don't give a shit about my reads. You're just blowing smoke up my ass so that I'm like "Oh well if Palmar thinks I'm town then it's okay for me to die. Herp derp."


Why do you assume I'm lying.

I'm begging you to work with me. I have no idea why you are so against it. Hell if you can prove to me Grack is scum, I'll lynch him today, but then you'd also have to explain why you didn't just vote him last nomination lynch over Koshi.

I really, really want to know who you think is scum, and why.

Can you please do this for me?

I've gone on and on about why I think yamato and Risen are scum. If you're at all interested in my reads you would know this. I'm afk until after this farce is over.


That's 2/3, and apparently I'm scum too.

Do you still think Risen is scum given his contributions in this last page? I agree with Holy they're basically worthless, but I also think they feel somewhat genuine, he has a thought process and he's following it.
Computer says mafia
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
February 17 2014 15:10 GMT
#2937
On February 18 2014 00:05 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2014 00:04 VisceraEyes wrote:
On February 18 2014 00:00 Palmar wrote:
On February 17 2014 23:50 VisceraEyes wrote:
You want to kill me off so that you can "trust my reads" while you're sitting here developing your own picture of how the lynches are going to go later. You don't give a shit about my reads. You're just blowing smoke up my ass so that I'm like "Oh well if Palmar thinks I'm town then it's okay for me to die. Herp derp."


Why do you assume I'm lying.

I'm begging you to work with me. I have no idea why you are so against it. Hell if you can prove to me Grack is scum, I'll lynch him today, but then you'd also have to explain why you didn't just vote him last nomination lynch over Koshi.

I really, really want to know who you think is scum, and why.

Can you please do this for me?

I've gone on and on about why I think yamato and Risen are scum. If you're at all interested in my reads you would know this. I'm afk until after this farce is over.


That's 2/3, and apparently I'm scum too.

Do you still think Risen is scum given his contributions in this last page? I agree with Holy they're basically worthless, but I also think they feel somewhat genuine, he has a thought process and he's following it.


anyone can rationalise a town thought process when doing lylo mathematics "i am town and these are all town reads so these must be scum" is the easiest thing in the world to do, the thing he isn't doing and what makes him scum is that he's not explaining these reads in detail and out loud and he hasn't done so the entire game hence why I keep trying to get him to do it and the only thing he returns to the thread to do is talk about the lynch order again (this is the 2nd time now, it happened yesterday after me and ve came to the conclusion he was scum)
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
February 17 2014 15:10 GMT
#2938
Hes just shitting on us and disturbing the flow of the game Palmar.
No gg, No skill.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
February 17 2014 15:10 GMT
#2939
also the fact that he tries to justify his lynch choices based on dead players reads in a nomination game..?
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
February 17 2014 15:14 GMT
#2940
On February 18 2014 00:04 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2014 00:00 Palmar wrote:
On February 17 2014 23:50 VisceraEyes wrote:
You want to kill me off so that you can "trust my reads" while you're sitting here developing your own picture of how the lynches are going to go later. You don't give a shit about my reads. You're just blowing smoke up my ass so that I'm like "Oh well if Palmar thinks I'm town then it's okay for me to die. Herp derp."


Why do you assume I'm lying.

I'm begging you to work with me. I have no idea why you are so against it. Hell if you can prove to me Grack is scum, I'll lynch him today, but then you'd also have to explain why you didn't just vote him last nomination lynch over Koshi.

I really, really want to know who you think is scum, and why.

Can you please do this for me?

I've gone on and on about why I think yamato and Risen are scum. If you're at all interested in my reads you would know this. I'm afk until after this farce is over.


Going to go find your reasons.

On February 14 2014 01:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
I want to lynch Risen. Does anyone NOT want to lynch Risen except for Risen?


On February 16 2014 02:22 VisceraEyes wrote:
ALSO RISEN IS STILL IN THIS GAME LMAO


On February 16 2014 02:23 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like LOL that people are calling me scum when Risen is still alive. LOL


On February 16 2014 03:18 VisceraEyes wrote:
I don't know, Oats is with Grack/Risen for me. I think we might be able to narrow it down with the coming days if we get two scum flips in Keir/Yamato.


On February 16 2014 07:19 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yeah Risen isn't making any kind of impact on this game. I'll look at his filter when I get back to a computer.


On February 16 2014 07:38 VisceraEyes wrote:
Undue suspicion? What makes you think Risen is town?


On February 16 2014 07:53 VisceraEyes wrote:
As I said...Risen is in a null area for me. Some stuff he says rubs me the wrong way, including stuff NOT about VE, but nothing jumps out at me as super scummy. I need to filter him when I get to computer to check out HF point about him.


On February 16 2014 18:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2014 08:10 Risen wrote:
On February 16 2014 04:35 Holyflare wrote:
vvvvvvveeeeeeeeee, check out risens filter for me! specifically the va lynch bit which is like 3/4 down his page and explain to me risen's thought process

Is it that you don't have any idea what my thought process is? Then why not ask me? Is it that you have thoughts on it but wasn't too potentially sheep ve? Why not voice your own opinion on it when asking for another person's. This feels very carefully worded to me.

Back to afk land, but I am interested in what ve's answer will be.

The thing about Risen's return to the thread is that he's accusing HF of having a carefully worded, possibly leading question to me. But the thing is presumably Risen has a scumread on me, and the lynch candidate is Keirathi.

Now Risen is spotted earlier in his filter numbering both myself and Keirathi in his "would lynch" lists. So presuming he's telling the truth, why is his first act in the cycle to just sheep the Keirathi lynch with no reasoning or reservation. I mean, the lynch wasn't fully decided at this point but it's fair to say that sentiment was favoring it. Why then is he not concerned about potential scum VE voting for the wagon? In fact, why does he not have any updated thoughts on anyone at all? Why is his only impulse to defend himself against an accusation that was in reality never even made?

I'm not seeing anything when I filtered him where Holyflare is talking about, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist and unless Holyflare clarifies what he means I have to assume his point is null...but Risen's activity during this past cycle looks really bad. Almost worse than the Keir-Yamato association.

Still going over still.


On February 17 2014 04:05 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yeah HF, that actually does look bad. Like, take his mention of Keir in "Why isn't Keir getting lynched again?" Think about it in the context of the question he asked. Why isn't Keir getting lynched? He's asking people to verbalize their reasoning for not lynching Keir. He's not trying to get people /to/ vote for Keir, in spite of saying that he thinks Keir is a good lynch. He's trying to get the opposite accomplished - he wants people to say why they think he's town or a bad lynch.

Okay so I'm about convinced Risen is mafia. The question becomes: who dies first? Yamato or Risen?

I'll look at both and decide who I think it should be later on.


On February 17 2014 13:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 11:34 Risen wrote:
Ve thoughts on what I've said?

You haven't said anything. You're going on about possible theory behind playing LYLO. Thx I guess? You haven't given any reasoning for why you feel the way you do about anyone in the game, so I don't care what you think we should do in the days ahead. If you want to make me care, then show me why you're suspicious of the people you are. You've been going on about VE scum for the last 2 or 3 cycles and now all of a sudden you can't, so I want to know who you /are/ suspicious of now and why.


Just posting for better readability for myself.
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