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Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
February 17 2014 15:39 GMT
#2961
VE/Palmar are both just really silly.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
February 17 2014 15:43 GMT
#2962
And don't let his effort fool you. No matter how bleak the situation looks he will not stop posting until he's lynched.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
February 17 2014 15:43 GMT
#2963
##Unvote: Palmar
##Vote Grackaroni
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
February 17 2014 15:49 GMT
#2964
On February 18 2014 00:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
PALMAR YOU ARE LITERALLY TRYING TO KILL ONE OF THE ONLY PEOPLE INTERESTED IN WINNING THE GAME FOR TOWN. WHAT THE FUCK DO YOUE XPECT ME TO DO OR THINK?!!??


If the situations were flipped, ie: I knew you were town and could die leaving you all my reads, I'd happily do it.

Now clearly you don't think as I do, so I guess there's that, but there's no reason to be mean about it. I'm trying to be nice to you dude? All game long!

I told them to leave you alone when you called me out.

On February 11 2014 04:49 Palmar wrote:
In sake of fairness, it's actually quite uncharacteristic for me to accept a wagon I don't feel good about. generally I'm all like "I never vote townies, no compromises". so VE isn't wrong.


And I gave you credit for it.

On February 12 2014 07:54 Palmar wrote:
Now I may be terrible at meta-ing myself, but I thought I explicitly stated my thought process was different from previous games, VE noted as much.


I said I wanted you to love me.

On February 12 2014 23:47 Palmar wrote:
I said we had time! It's no big deal, and I don't want to alienate VE too much if he's town as he could be useful.


And when they forgot you existed, I didn't.

On February 14 2014 01:34 Palmar wrote:
And VE just doesn't exist?


I said you were good and valuable.

On February 17 2014 18:03 Palmar wrote:
I value VE's opinions when he's town. We're right back in lylo if anyone of us flips town, VE flipping town has nothing to do with our lylo situation and I didn't say it had. I want his reads so I can have trusted town-perspective reads from someone I think is quite good at mafia to hold my hand as I continue playing this game.


And I said I appreciated you.

On February 17 2014 23:30 Palmar wrote:
I appreciate you trying to win the game VE, problem is it is directly against the VE style of play I know to do literally nothing for the first 2-3 cycles. So I can't convince myself to let you live over myself.


All in all, you're a solid 8. (Hot stuff).

On February 17 2014 23:42 Palmar wrote:
I think there's a 60% chance you're town, I value your reads 8 (scale 1-10).


And still I get all this hate


Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
February 17 2014 15:52 GMT
#2965
I need to go afk for a few hours. dinner etc. I will be back tonight.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
February 17 2014 15:59 GMT
#2966
On February 18 2014 00:43 Grackaroni wrote:
And don't let his effort fool you. No matter how bleak the situation looks he will not stop posting until he's lynched.


If HF is scum, you're town and VE is town, why is HF arguing with me about lynching VE? Why isn't he happily lynching VE with me. That would allow him to continue tunneling you tomorrow, without having to deal with "having been wrong" in his case on you.
Computer says mafia
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
February 17 2014 16:00 GMT
#2967
On February 18 2014 00:31 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2014 00:10 Holyflare wrote:
On February 18 2014 00:05 Palmar wrote:
On February 18 2014 00:04 VisceraEyes wrote:
On February 18 2014 00:00 Palmar wrote:
On February 17 2014 23:50 VisceraEyes wrote:
You want to kill me off so that you can "trust my reads" while you're sitting here developing your own picture of how the lynches are going to go later. You don't give a shit about my reads. You're just blowing smoke up my ass so that I'm like "Oh well if Palmar thinks I'm town then it's okay for me to die. Herp derp."


Why do you assume I'm lying.

I'm begging you to work with me. I have no idea why you are so against it. Hell if you can prove to me Grack is scum, I'll lynch him today, but then you'd also have to explain why you didn't just vote him last nomination lynch over Koshi.

I really, really want to know who you think is scum, and why.

Can you please do this for me?

I've gone on and on about why I think yamato and Risen are scum. If you're at all interested in my reads you would know this. I'm afk until after this farce is over.


That's 2/3, and apparently I'm scum too.

Do you still think Risen is scum given his contributions in this last page? I agree with Holy they're basically worthless, but I also think they feel somewhat genuine, he has a thought process and he's following it.


anyone can rationalise a town thought process when doing lylo mathematics "i am town and these are all town reads so these must be scum" is the easiest thing in the world to do, the thing he isn't doing and what makes him scum is that he's not explaining these reads in detail and out loud and he hasn't done so the entire game hence why I keep trying to get him to do it and the only thing he returns to the thread to do is talk about the lynch order again (this is the 2nd time now, it happened yesterday after me and ve came to the conclusion he was scum)

That is your reasoning though. You have consistently argued that Risen and I are scum for trying to get a free mislynch while you were afking. And then you come back and say that this is the easiest kind of suspicion. This is very similar to you voting off somebody because you didn't think they would town read you, and then coming back before the lynch and conjuring up some bullshit that I would switch off Rayn because he wasn't trying to lynch me. (which from your point of view wouldn't make me scum because I would be choosing not to kill the guy who was doing the best job of reading me)

Less complaining about the lack of discussion more analysis.


It's as if I've done nothing OTHER THAN THAT the entire game.........!??!?!?!

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/edit.php?action=edit&post_id=2755&topic_id=442512&currentpage=1

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=442512&currentpage=140#2794

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=442512&currentpage=141#2808

The whole past day I've been trying to discuss people that are scum with VE and you come in and do nothing and afk again and risen comes in says all my points were true and then afk's only to come back, call me scum, vote palmar and then switch to grack after I show him reasoning. Like wut, he's sheeping his scum read right now.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
February 17 2014 16:01 GMT
#2968
The first link should be

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=442512&currentpage=138#2755
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
February 17 2014 16:05 GMT
#2969
On February 18 2014 00:59 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2014 00:43 Grackaroni wrote:
And don't let his effort fool you. No matter how bleak the situation looks he will not stop posting until he's lynched.


If HF is scum, you're town and VE is town, why is HF arguing with me about lynching VE? Why isn't he happily lynching VE with me. That would allow him to continue tunneling you tomorrow, without having to deal with "having been wrong" in his case on you.

Because he has been buddying VE for a long time and can manipulate him.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
February 17 2014 16:09 GMT
#2970
On February 18 2014 01:00 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2014 00:31 Grackaroni wrote:
On February 18 2014 00:10 Holyflare wrote:
On February 18 2014 00:05 Palmar wrote:
On February 18 2014 00:04 VisceraEyes wrote:
On February 18 2014 00:00 Palmar wrote:
On February 17 2014 23:50 VisceraEyes wrote:
You want to kill me off so that you can "trust my reads" while you're sitting here developing your own picture of how the lynches are going to go later. You don't give a shit about my reads. You're just blowing smoke up my ass so that I'm like "Oh well if Palmar thinks I'm town then it's okay for me to die. Herp derp."


Why do you assume I'm lying.

I'm begging you to work with me. I have no idea why you are so against it. Hell if you can prove to me Grack is scum, I'll lynch him today, but then you'd also have to explain why you didn't just vote him last nomination lynch over Koshi.

I really, really want to know who you think is scum, and why.

Can you please do this for me?

I've gone on and on about why I think yamato and Risen are scum. If you're at all interested in my reads you would know this. I'm afk until after this farce is over.


That's 2/3, and apparently I'm scum too.

Do you still think Risen is scum given his contributions in this last page? I agree with Holy they're basically worthless, but I also think they feel somewhat genuine, he has a thought process and he's following it.


anyone can rationalise a town thought process when doing lylo mathematics "i am town and these are all town reads so these must be scum" is the easiest thing in the world to do, the thing he isn't doing and what makes him scum is that he's not explaining these reads in detail and out loud and he hasn't done so the entire game hence why I keep trying to get him to do it and the only thing he returns to the thread to do is talk about the lynch order again (this is the 2nd time now, it happened yesterday after me and ve came to the conclusion he was scum)

That is your reasoning though. You have consistently argued that Risen and I are scum for trying to get a free mislynch while you were afking. And then you come back and say that this is the easiest kind of suspicion. This is very similar to you voting off somebody because you didn't think they would town read you, and then coming back before the lynch and conjuring up some bullshit that I would switch off Rayn because he wasn't trying to lynch me. (which from your point of view wouldn't make me scum because I would be choosing not to kill the guy who was doing the best job of reading me)

Less complaining about the lack of discussion more analysis.


It's as if I've done nothing OTHER THAN THAT the entire game.........!??!?!?!

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/edit.php?action=edit&post_id=2755&topic_id=442512&currentpage=1

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=442512&currentpage=140#2794

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=442512&currentpage=141#2808

The whole past day I've been trying to discuss people that are scum with VE and you come in and do nothing and afk again and risen comes in says all my points were true and then afk's only to come back, call me scum, vote palmar and then switch to grack after I show him reasoning. Like wut, he's sheeping his scum read right now.

It's not a matter of doing nothing. You can't do something scummy and then yell, "but what about all the things I did." When you were set to be lynched you pushed a bunch of bullshit against me. And I don't see anything useful in there. You went on about me wanting to lynch you over Keir and that doesn't mean shit. You already had the votes and I was ok with either lynch. Chin up though. After I lynch myself you will be confirmed town.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
February 17 2014 16:13 GMT
#2971
On February 18 2014 01:09 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2014 01:00 Holyflare wrote:
On February 18 2014 00:31 Grackaroni wrote:
On February 18 2014 00:10 Holyflare wrote:
On February 18 2014 00:05 Palmar wrote:
On February 18 2014 00:04 VisceraEyes wrote:
On February 18 2014 00:00 Palmar wrote:
On February 17 2014 23:50 VisceraEyes wrote:
You want to kill me off so that you can "trust my reads" while you're sitting here developing your own picture of how the lynches are going to go later. You don't give a shit about my reads. You're just blowing smoke up my ass so that I'm like "Oh well if Palmar thinks I'm town then it's okay for me to die. Herp derp."


Why do you assume I'm lying.

I'm begging you to work with me. I have no idea why you are so against it. Hell if you can prove to me Grack is scum, I'll lynch him today, but then you'd also have to explain why you didn't just vote him last nomination lynch over Koshi.

I really, really want to know who you think is scum, and why.

Can you please do this for me?

I've gone on and on about why I think yamato and Risen are scum. If you're at all interested in my reads you would know this. I'm afk until after this farce is over.


That's 2/3, and apparently I'm scum too.

Do you still think Risen is scum given his contributions in this last page? I agree with Holy they're basically worthless, but I also think they feel somewhat genuine, he has a thought process and he's following it.


anyone can rationalise a town thought process when doing lylo mathematics "i am town and these are all town reads so these must be scum" is the easiest thing in the world to do, the thing he isn't doing and what makes him scum is that he's not explaining these reads in detail and out loud and he hasn't done so the entire game hence why I keep trying to get him to do it and the only thing he returns to the thread to do is talk about the lynch order again (this is the 2nd time now, it happened yesterday after me and ve came to the conclusion he was scum)

That is your reasoning though. You have consistently argued that Risen and I are scum for trying to get a free mislynch while you were afking. And then you come back and say that this is the easiest kind of suspicion. This is very similar to you voting off somebody because you didn't think they would town read you, and then coming back before the lynch and conjuring up some bullshit that I would switch off Rayn because he wasn't trying to lynch me. (which from your point of view wouldn't make me scum because I would be choosing not to kill the guy who was doing the best job of reading me)

Less complaining about the lack of discussion more analysis.


It's as if I've done nothing OTHER THAN THAT the entire game.........!??!?!?!

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/edit.php?action=edit&post_id=2755&topic_id=442512&currentpage=1

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=442512&currentpage=140#2794

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=442512&currentpage=141#2808

The whole past day I've been trying to discuss people that are scum with VE and you come in and do nothing and afk again and risen comes in says all my points were true and then afk's only to come back, call me scum, vote palmar and then switch to grack after I show him reasoning. Like wut, he's sheeping his scum read right now.

It's not a matter of doing nothing. You can't do something scummy and then yell, "but what about all the things I did." When you were set to be lynched you pushed a bunch of bullshit against me. And I don't see anything useful in there. You went on about me wanting to lynch you over Keir and that doesn't mean shit. You already had the votes and I was ok with either lynch. Chin up though. After I lynch myself you will be confirmed town.


Only you and VA were on me because you said I was "scum" and that was before I even posted anything to do with you so your point is not valid at all? Where is the scummy things that I have done? You never mentioned these things before it's always been "I can't explain, it's just a feel, he's done this in another game" but now it's "oh that's scummy!" you keep talking about keeping people in that can town read me?? I said they can read my alignment and should know whether I was town or not, where is the scum incentive in that???
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
February 17 2014 16:14 GMT
#2972
Like, your only point on me this entire game is that I'm pushing you and that's been your only contribution this entire game too. Good job bro.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
February 17 2014 16:21 GMT
#2973
lol yeah that's fine, but then you tried to lynch somebody for supposedly trying to keep in Rayn when Rayn was doing the best job of reading me. That is the scum incentive. Bullshit reasoning to scum read somebody else in order to save yourself.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
February 17 2014 16:24 GMT
#2974
You can't say both, "I wanted to keep in people that can read me, where is the scum in that!" AND "Look at the diagram! Grack votes Rayn because Palmar entertains him. *GASP* Now he thought about switching around the time that Rayn placed him in the center of his reads list. Such scum - get em boys!"
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
February 17 2014 16:26 GMT
#2975
I know you've responded to this with the, "Oh well I kept in people who have historically been able to read me. You tried to keep in somebody that was currently town reading you" (Which I didn't even do! For a long ass time Marv said I was his 2nd scum read and I stayed on Rayn over Marv!)

That's the exact same thing.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
February 17 2014 16:33 GMT
#2976
That post appealing directly to me says the following: I want VE alive and trying to figure out the game - as long as he's afk and isn't doing anything. But as soon as he does something, he's more likely scum and has to die for the game to move forward.

Good stuff Palmar. Srs, top notch.

##Unvote
##Vote: Palmar
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
February 17 2014 16:35 GMT
#2977
Marv was self voting and was leading votes, we've already been through this and nobody had any input other than you and i told you i was angry nobody was discussing you and giving you bs town reads (Keirathi and palmar and marv) so i was seeing everything you did as scummy but since then you've fallen off completely, haven't updated any reads, nitpicked individual lines of my posts rather than the overlying message of them and just called me scum over and over with risen and then portray every move that happrns in the game as some scum holyflare motivated move. That's the scummy intent, rather than looking at circumstances, posts, overarching flow of the game you paint everything that happens as one players agenda to try and get that player lynched and use false meta to try and put people off me.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
February 17 2014 16:41 GMT
#2978
The only redeeming feature about you is that you are self voting
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
February 17 2014 16:55 GMT
#2979
HF is Palmar scum? I'm very biased right now.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
February 17 2014 16:57 GMT
#2980
Also players like Yamato/Wave... </3
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
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