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Hi everyone
On February 04 2014 07:25 suki wrote:
3. Koshi you're advocating policy lynching people who don't hit 40 posts a day? That's nice, however I don't policy lynch unless there's no better option for lynching scum.
What did you mean "that's nice"? Why didn't you give thoughts on the policy instead of just making a generic statement against policy lynches?
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Balla did LoneMeow's response to your vote affect your opinion of him?
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I'm not really sure what we'd be discussing right now if Koshi hadn't made his opening post. Though now seems like a good time for him to come back and add any new thoughts he might have.
Still don't get the point of suki's first post. It seems to lack anything about Koshi's specific policy, which imo is the most relevant thing she could have talked about.
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On February 04 2014 11:25 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 10:14 sidesprang wrote:Lol wtf game started today afterall. Anyhow regarding policy shit, not much to say, think it's covered allready. But yeh, look for content instead not postcount. We do NOT want ppl spamming useless shit. On February 04 2014 09:47 jaybrundage wrote:Jonny as you have had alot of experience with Balla as scum how would you say he plays as a scum player. Whats his tells if you will  Guess your not in the database either huh jonny XD If your gonna compile your games you might as well make a post in the mafia database with them listed and a quick review :o Why did you want Jonny to out Ballas scumtells in the thread this early before Balla even had a chance to play into them ? Sidesprung you asked me a question I responded. There is alot going in the thread right now. I don't just want to see content I want to see some post count too. People are conversing, poking at one another a back and forth. You make one question at me and you disappeared. Don't you have anything else to comment on, or respond to my post or make a comment on another post or give your opinion. Anything really. Dropping one post and leaving the thread is not the environment town should be fostering. Thru discussion like i was talking about earlier we can learn other alignments and discover ulterior motives. Ill give you somethings to post on. What do you think of Balla's early vote on LM? Was it appropriate given LM"s posts? What do you think of my response to your post? Does what I say made sense? Do you agree that I should have questioned Jonny about Balla's scum game or should I have not said anything? Why do you think Suki poke at Jonnys two opinions? Do you think Suki got defensive after Balla inquired about her post? Why do you think Suki would post about jonny if not trying to discern if hes mafia or not? (These questions go out to Suki as well?) Who is your towniest read at the moment? Who do you think is most likely scum? Do you believe in policy lynching lurkers? What is the lowest amount someone should be expected to post?
This post? It's half questions to sidesprang, which I like. Topics seem relevant enough, and I also want sidesprang to continue posting. I agree that the beginning is way more wordy than it needs to be, but I don't think the post as a whole is useless. Unless there's no response to it, but that's on sidesprang (come back please!)
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I wanna see more posts from LoneMeow. His first post doesn't seem very alignment-indicative to me; just a throwaway comment. Response to the vote is a decent explanation. Aside from that, his only post is about how post quality is more important than number of posts. True, but overall he's made too few posts/contributions for me to read him. That puts him more scummy than not.
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Eh jay you don't like my choice of topics? suki's first post talked about gender, niceness, and her feeling on policy lynches in general. But no detail on what she thought of Koshi's particular policy, which imo is the most important thing she could have talked about. Feels like she was trying to seem helpful while avoiding anything that mattered.
Plus I liked the way discussion was going for the other things.
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I think jay's townie. Some of his posts are way wordier than they need to be imo, but I like most of his reasoning, and that seems more important than whether or not he's posting fluff.
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suki:
Yeah, I don't have too strong scumreads yet. Hopeless, sidesprang, LoneMeow, Koshi, oats, alaskaslam all don't have many meaningful posts so I'm cautious of them. Can't really pick out mafia from them yet, though.
I thought your first post was rather scummy. I also didn't like how you said you just thought Jonny was interesting, not scummy; interesting should generally mean "possibly scum" anyways. Disagreed with you about jay. So overall, pretty scummy.
When I got on and started posting, it felt redundant to talk about Koshi's policy since I just agreed with general consensus that 40 posts was a bit arbitrary, but quality is more important than post count. So I didn't talk about it.
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I think the stuff about Koshi was an example to show that randomly defending someone with no justification doesn't help anyone.
I also really wanna know what alaskaslam's talking about with that second post about jay's list...
also, don't really understand
On February 04 2014 15:15 Alakaslam wrote:
Finally got side springs reply. Don't bother how I spell your name dude because the phones just not going to have. That is so easy to fake is scum, all he does is give generic answers the questions. How is any of that alignment indicated? It's like we're all playing under the assumption that town somehow coordinates and scum does not it's the other way around you know
I don't think anyone really mentioned sidesprang after the response, so I'm not sure what this is getting at.
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I don't have that much of a problem with oats right now. I get his case on Koshi, I also thought fairly early on that Koshi posted a random policy to generate discussion, and that the policy was easy to disagree with because that's how you get discussion past unanimous agreement.
Koshi did post some analysis on people's reactions though, not sure why oats kept going on him for not making use of the discussion he generated.
+ Show Spoiler +On February 04 2014 23:37 Koshi wrote:
That's not how it works, it's not because what people say is not interesting at that moment that if won't be interesting at all anymore.
1) LM said he was not going to vote for something just based on filter size but on filter content. This shows future commitment to the game. This is a town answer. But in 24 hours we can also use this to pressure him to give reads, or at least his town answer looks bad when he doesn't follow up. But I trust he will.
2) Balla same story. Instantly said yay let's do this and was worried about other people low content spam and not himself. Good + follow up ensured.
3) Jonny was angry and is still angry. There is no reason for that at all and I put him scummy. I also read his post better and found previously quoted post that does not make sense at all.
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4) Hopeless said something and then fucked off. This is scummy and it is not my fault that he did this. If we lynch somebody we lynch Hopeless.
5) Suki her post was actually a wtf moment. The underlined part of previous sentence was my confusion.
I think the rest of the people made similar comments but that's what my post generated. But nothing on it's own was scummy.
Also I wasn't in let's solve this game right now mode yesterday right before bed.
Then again, Koshi also declared that he was pretty much gonna do nothing for a while and let us talk, which kinda annoys me. I'd like him talking with us.
So basically, I don't mind oats's aggression towards Koshi. I personally just want Koshi to stop that lurking thing.
Oats having a townread on LM doesn't make sense to me, but the fact that he's been here and giving opinions (with justifications sometimes) makes him look a bit better than people who are just gone.
Like sidesprang. Or hopeless. Where are they?
Oh yeah, to anyone wondering about my post on LM, that was in response to suki asking me what I thought about him. And LM's posts since then make him look rather worse among lurky people,
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Reread LM and decided he doesn't look that bad, forgot to delete that part. The first red part was about oats, not LM.
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Other things about oats feel more weird than scummy. Like with his insisting that you post your opinion first, I can imagine town doing that (I would probably have trouble reading someone who sheeped me) even if I'd prefer if he were open with his thoughts.
Oats's contradiction with his stance on koshi's policy doesn't seem scummy to me. It's a bit hard to explain, I think it sorta makes sense for him to disagree with the policy, and assume that it was bad enough that it was meant to make scum slip while attacking it. Him saying that Koshi's policy was bad is a required step of explaining his thought process. Then again, I'm also not sure why he thinks town isn't just as likely to attack the policy if it's so bad.
So yeah, I'm not convinced oats is mafia, but a response from him would be nice.
And I really wanna get the super quiet people posting before lynching oats.
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1. On February 05 2014 03:40 cakemanofdoom wrote:
I don't have that much of a problem with oats right now. I get his case on Koshi, I also thought fairly early on that Koshi posted a random policy to generate discussion, and that the policy was easy to disagree with because that's how you get discussion past unanimous agreement.
What I thought seems similar enough to what oats said, bait for scum to jump on. Any discussion can be viewed as a way to bait scum into revealing themselves. I don't quite agree that attacking Koshi's policy would be sign of mafia, but oats should explain that himself.
2. Yeah, that's weird. not enough to make oats seem worse than people who just aren't here, imo.
3. He might have just wanted you to talk so he could read you or something.
But really, oats should just respond to the cases against him himself.
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I don't want to lynch jay today. He's posted too many sensible things that I don't want him gone yet. I also think that it's pretty reasonable to focus on generating discussion and getting reads rather than posting cases and trying to get people lynched, especially when it's still early on in the game.
I'm willing to lynch LM. Mostly because of lack of content. The questions he asks aren't too bad, but he doesn't seem to be doing anything with his answers. At this point I'd prefer lynching hopeless, nothing even on the level of LM's questions yet.
I think Koshi might be scum. He started off with a policy meant to generate discusison, cool. But the next time he enters the thread, he explicitly claims that he's just gonna be lurky and let others talk.
On February 04 2014 22:27 Koshi wrote:
I have no interest in calling out people already. In 24 hours you will know more.
I would like Jonny to explain his arguments against me though. I am actually upset about the fact my early posting is "shitposting" tbh.
Seems like he's trying to get away with non-contribution, and wasting most of his day 1 by being cryptic.
He ended up posting a case on Jonny, which was bad and atm it looks like Koshi doesn't stand by his own case. Jonny's actions regarding the LM vote actually do make sense. Koshi also accuses Jonny of having a scum mentality for talking about his own waffling... even though Jonny was responding to a question and Koshi thought that too. I don't know why
On February 05 2014 08:18 Koshi wrote:
Because I do not get this worked up about a read as scum. I dont post this much as scum. I dont react this fast as scum. It is literally impossible for me to be scum atm.
The part about him being scum.is.because he is not trying to read me.
In bed atm sleeping.
Koshi also has a defense post. But it doesn't seem to me like he's that worked up about a read, and it doesn't feel like he's posted all that much (well, his filter is kinda long. Main reason I'm not totally convinced he's mafia). I can't believe his claim about fast reactions in my position.
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Really? I was gonna call you scum but I read your filter and thought you kinda made sense.
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I think Koshi is mafia. My last post went over why.
I'm starting to think jay might be mafia. He seems to spend a lot of time defending himself, not as much looking for mafia. Still don't want to lynch him soon since he's so much more active than some people. His main case was on LoneMeow, which I didn't like that much; I really don't find much that's especially scummy about LM. Not too sure yet, this will probably be greatly affected by how jay posts from now.
LoneMeow and Hopeless were lurky. Can't really tell if they're mafia from that, but they're fine lynches.
Hopeless's more recent posts don't seem very substantial. Bad sign imo.
Need to think about/read alaska and suki more. I thought suki was mafia for a bit, then she seemed to post and try.
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I'd lynch Hopeless atm for lack of content. But he's here now it seems, so hopefully I can get a better reason to vote/not vote him.
Oats's defense seems pretty meh. I was never really convinced of the cases against him in the first place. Actually, where did he get that suki thought hopeless was town?
Oh, and I'm not sure about his case on hopeless. Looks like mainly meta, and I'll admit I didn't go look up hopeless's games. Seems weird to me that oats is convinced that hopeless is mafia when hopeless had made almost no posts. That could be a bit scummy...
So overall on oats, I think he's null/weird. I think we thought similarly about Koshi's policy, but his defense of jay had no reasoning and I don't know about his case on hopeless.
I'm still reluctant to vote jay. He's pretty active, his earlier posts were logical and seemed to push town in the right direction. But more recently I'm not as sure that he's town.
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The few posts hopeless had at the time didn't strike me as scummy.
Can't really explain my first impressions about the push.
Hmm... actually, it's probably just that I don't like relying on meta. I'm not convinced that hopeless has to start his town games the same way.
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Balla:
I addressed the part of the case against oats I felt most strongly about. The rest, I wasn't as sure about so I'd have preferred for oats to come in and address them himself. Then I was asked about them so I answered.
Also, I'm not sure what you mean by "he comes out and says he wants Koshi to drop his lurker thing". Can you clarify/rephrase?
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I didn't think hopeless was town, ever. I couldn't read him because he had almost no posts. I might need to read hopeless's town games I guess, but just in general I'm not really convinced that two games one way means the next has to be the same way.
Right now, because hopeless still hasn't contributed anything substantial, I'm thinking he's mafia.
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By the "lurker thing", I meant how Koshi said he wasn't gonna push anyone for 24 hours. From what I understood of that, Koshi was saying that he'd lurk for a day and then give out his reads on the people who posted in the meantime.
On February 04 2014 22:27 Koshi wrote:
I have no interest in calling out people already. In 24 hours you will know more.
I would like Jonny to explain his arguments against me though. I am actually upset about the fact my early posting is "shitposting" tbh.
On February 04 2014 23:59 Koshi wrote:
Tomorrow. Today, people can post freely. Without worry. Nobody is watching.
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Meh. Maybe, I guess.
Actually, I don't really care right now. I'm fine with lynching Hopeless either way.
##Vote Hopeless1der
Going to sleep. I'm also fine with lynching LM and Koshi.
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Woke up late. Reading and thinking.
First impressions so far: Hopeless has quite a few more posts and it seems more substantial now. Still doesn't seem like LM has done much.
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My fence-sitting: can't help it. I'm uncertain about my reads.
My vote on Hopeless: I wanted to get a vote down before I slept. I do find Koshi scummy, but Hopeless was pretty scummy just for being gone for the first half of the day and barely having anything when he came back. The reasons are pretty similar tbh, I just voted hopeless since I figured I could change it now-ish if he seems townier.
Now I gotta read more carefully and decide who I want to lynch today...
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Hopeless's case on me seems pretty well thought out... Feels like he's trying to find scum, not just trying to kill off a random townie
Don't know what to think of his case on oats. I feel like I can understand most of oats's thought process. But oats has done some kinda weird things.
Overall the effort makes me unwilling to lynch him.
LM: I thought his questions were pretty good ones to ask. And he has pretty reasonable-seeming opinions on lynch targets now.
Koshi: He had a policy that he didn't follow up on, he had a big case on Jonny that he didn't stand by. So what's left?
-Casually calling Hopeless the best lynch, following thread sentiment. Then backing off after hopeless posted.
-Voting LM.
On February 06 2014 02:30 Koshi wrote:
LM his cases were on the 3 people that were most likely going to get lynched at that time and Alakaslam. Which is not even worth calling a case.
His response to the case from jayB was: Why not Hopeless who is equally scummy?
That doesn't make sense at all.
I don't see the problem with posting his thoughts on people he's watching/thinks might be lynched, it lets us know where he's at.
Also, the question makes sense from the perspective of town trying to figure stuff out. It's reasonable to wonder why jay picked one lurky player over another. It's not like LM could have defended his own lurkiness there, anyways.
I think Koshi's just trying to make up reasons to sound original as he votes a fairly easy target.
So overall, I see nothing from Koshi except a poorly-reasoned vote on LM, a lot of short posts that I didn't get anything out of, and a policy/case that he retracted.
##Unvote
##Vote Koshi
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I have not played a scumgame.
From what I can tell, the main point against me is that I'm on the fence about a bunch of my reads. There's nothing I can really say to that besides the fact that I just wasn't absolutely sure.
It's a fairly valid point though, so attacking me is probably more towny than not.
And I was walking to a class that starts in 7 minutes. I can't be on 7-57 minutes from now, I'll be able to follow/ post from phone after that. 20 minutes or so after that I'll be on my comp again
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I still don't want to lynch LM or Hopeless right now. LM looks like he's trying really hard to figure the game out right now.
Hopeless seems to be making sense.
Need to decide whether I want to lynch jay or Koshi right now. Jay's been looking worse and worse since his decent beginning. But I still don't see how Koshi's town.
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Hmm. Rereading jay's filter, I don't think the problems are that bad. He does have some opinions in there, and he's pretty reasonable while discussing right now.
Meanwhile Koshi still seems scum. He has little effort in his cases/pokes as far as I can tell - his stuff on hopeless seemed to be a sheep of oats, his stuff on Jonny was retracted because it was made without reading carefully enough, and I don't like his reasons on LM. Plus he doesn't seem to be here figuring stuff out.
I like my vote where it is.
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Though I'm not sure why jay reposted his case on LM. I didn't like it that much in the first place, and LM's only been seeming more town since then.
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I do that, Balla... I get a bad impression, then I look into the person more and solidify my opinion while making a case on them. Like that phrase about LM I forgot to delete and you found scummy. I had a bad feeling, was going to try and make a case, and then I decided LM didn't look particularly bad for a lurker.
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what do I do. I have a stronger townread on LM than on jay. I'd prefer lynching Koshi over jay. But it doesn't look like Koshi's getting lynched, and jay claimed doc.
Easy solution for me: lynch Koshi.
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Why's there a switch to jay now? lm's claim was so bad imo
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Wait wtf LM was actually doc? I thought it was way too unlikely that the other lynch target besides the first doc claim would be real doc O.O
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When jay claimed I didn't believe him. But then he was an un-CC'd doc claim, and I wasn't sure if it would retarded to vote him.
I still had a stronger townread on LoneMeow at the time, though. So I had no clue who to vote for. So I stuck with Koshi, who I thought was scum independently of this whole doc thing.
Then when LM claimed I just went wtf, because I thought it was way too improbable for him to actually be doc. I was considering voting LM for that... but time ran out while I was thinking.
Basically, my brain malfunctioned because I had no clue what to do :/
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Oh sweet so I was the only one on scum at that vote?
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Everyone else's vote was useless or on town. meh.
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EPT
