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On February 13 2014 03:31 IAmRobik wrote: live games on zoom almost every day since October and probably around 500+ games of forum mafia both regular games and turbos. wow that's a shitton of games. Then we know what to expect from you. No noob cards. ^_^ ~rayn | ||
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On February 13 2014 05:40 Mattchew wrote: no fucks given attitude iamrobik and quantum probably town too Are you seriously saying you are giving a townread for someone who has played over 500 mafia games for "no fuck given" attitude? ~rayn | ||
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On February 13 2014 05:53 IAmRobik wrote: These hydra accounts are confusing me. Having two people with two different posting styles on one account makes reading the posts in one voice difficult. Having said that, I was referring to the vote that I made. It's the only REAL vote. There were plenty of people in the thread at that point who were refreshing and decided not to comment whatsoever about the fact that someone actually voted in the voting thread with an official vote. If you read the three posts made by Thrawn, they are absolutely awful, they do not contribute anything to the conversation, they show that he is here, while simultaneously shows that he does not want to participate. Not posting cause you don't have time is fine. Lurking is fine, but kinda scummy. Posting just to post, in the manner in which he posted is like super red flag central. If you complain about hydra's posting styles how is it possible you have already given one of them a townread based on their opening post? ~rayn | ||
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On February 13 2014 06:00 IAmRobik wrote: I didn't realize it was a hydra at first...either way, that doesn't change the fact that the first post was very towny. Follow up question, what does it matter if it's hydra or not? ~rayn | ||
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On February 13 2014 06:02 VIVAX420 wrote: Here's D1 of a game where we lynched scumthrawn D1. Lesson of that day : He lurks as scum. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=394344¤tpage=10 Don't you think he's veing very lurky, rayn? Jesus it's like 1h into the game man. I don't think anyone is "too lurky". ~rayn | ||
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On February 13 2014 06:54 IAmRobik wrote: Can someone please comment on whether rayn is the type of person who would do this out of spite as mafia to prove that he can do whatever the hell he damn well pleases, or whether he would be more likely to do this as town risking getting on someone's bad side? I am doing it because you might want to rethink about your methods of finding mafia if they seriously are what you just described. It's even more ridiculous if you think someone is ever going to lynch anyone based on "he used a scummy word" or "he is / isn't posting smilies".. Seriously, 500 games of mafia? Is this really what you are saying right now? To answer your question, yes i could make that post as mafia. Yes i could make that post as town. No, there is absolutely nothing alignment indicative in that post. ~rayn | ||
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On February 13 2014 05:46 roundabound wrote: Are you seriously saying you are giving a townread for someone who has played over 500 mafia games for "no fuck given" attitude? ~rayn On February 13 2014 05:48 roundabound wrote: Also could you explain that "no fucks given" attitude a bit further? ~rayn Mattchew i asked you some questions. You have posted since. Why no answers? ~rayn | ||
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Why single out thrawn of those people and now that your (apparently?) pressure on him has been answered satisfactory why are you not following with your eagerness to read people and your own scumhunting methods you started the game with? Like you called out people lurking or scared to post 1h into the game, what about those people now? ~rayn | ||
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On February 13 2014 07:30 IAmRobik wrote: 1) I'm not comfortable analyzing QuantumPope at this moment, but I will agree that he's town. 2) Mattchew's comment about no fucks given was about Vivex, not about QuantumPope, and I don't remember if Mattchew answered that or not, but if not, I answered it for him. Either way, I have Mattchew as town for now. We'll see if he participates more or not. Given my experience with him, I would say Mattchew would be/will be more active if he is town and would/will take a more passive route as maf. I haven't really noticed Grackaroni, but would be more than happy to go back and read, what I assume, are 1-2 posts. Either way, thrawn's substance was far less than anyone else's at that point. I can't call out everyone for not participating. I singled out thrawn because his early participation sucked a big fatty. He was in the thread but not participating...just posting fluff. Since then, I feel like he has provided a lot more content and I've since changed my opinion of him. I will be reading other people. I am being active in this thread, but I'm also at work, so I'm not able to do everything all at once. Patience young Padawan...I will give reads on everyone at some point. Also, I wasn't 100% clear as to how this game worked and have since figured out that days aren't a set length as I'm used to, so apparently there's no pressure to hurry up on anything. I was just eager to start playing and assumed that people would share that eagerness/enthusiasm. 1) How can you say you have him as town if you are not comfortable analysing him atm? This is like giving a read that has no basis behind it. Do you think he is town or not and if you do why? If you don't why did you say so? 2) Same question. What would have Mattchew and QP posted as mafia in your opinion at the start of the game? Why? Mattchew very well knows how games work here and and especially his posts i found really fishy. Unless there is something behind them i don't understand. But especially as i aksed about them from him and he refused to answer and instead posted some other shit that has no value i am inclined to think he has no good answers. 3) How is this post: On February 13 2014 03:42 thrawn2112 wrote: hmmm more scummy than this: On February 13 2014 03:37 Grackaroni wrote: No worries there this forum loves spamming. ??? ~rayn | ||
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On February 13 2014 07:37 QuantumPope wrote: I dislike the use of calling my posts shitty. I merely reacted when I was pinged. I am not defending Robik here in the slightest though and found it suspicious of how someone found me town based on my posts as they were pretty unsubstantial. If there are two people who I trust to read me correctly in this thread it's Mattchew and IAmRobik as they have had the most interaction with me outside of this forum but being able to read correctly can also lean mafia. I have null reads on both of them at the moment. As for scum we really have not found a bunch of information in my opinion as it's early on. See here is why these posts are shitty. You could just say "i agree with you", but instead you write ~100 words... ~rayn | ||
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On February 13 2014 07:47 ShiaoPi wrote: @rayn: how do you read kush/vivax right now? There is something i need to ask them a bit later. Meta case on thrawn was shitty as hell. No, too many words = looking like you are saying stuff when you actually aren't. ~rayn | ||
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On February 13 2014 07:51 ShiaoPi wrote: more like where is the content in all those words? Also mind answering my question? But he did answer you. Did you read the thread from the beginning? Why did you not say you have played with Mordanis multiple times? I asked about it. ~rayn | ||
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The scummiest guy is the one who can't back up his reads and his thought process behind his reads. ~rayn | ||
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On February 13 2014 08:13 IAmRobik wrote: The only read I didn't back up is the QP read. You're making shit up. I honestly think we're probably two towns fighting but whatever. I'm gonna say it now and I'll continue to say it. I think QP is town. I have my reason for thinking that. I don't know if it's right or not, but I think it. You don't have to believe me. You don't even ahve to listen to me. But I am opposed to lynching QP today. You did not back up your Mattchew read. You could not tell how thrawn was more scummy than for example Grackaroni when you voted for him. You did push lurkers and "bad posting" in the beginning of the game and when your "case" (or whatever that was) on thrawn fell you didn't move on onto other people who had showed behaviour you found scummy at the start of the game. The logic you are saying you use is really fishy in the first place, and you are not even playing to that logic, you only used it on thrawn. Basically nothing you say makes no sense because your actions do not match with you what you call your mindset is. ~rayn | ||
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On February 13 2014 08:20 IAmRobik wrote: Each one of his posts is fabricated and convoluted. You're absolutely out of your mind if you think he's got the best posts in this thread. The points he asks about are valid and certainly amongst the most interesting things in thread. Let's talk about Mattchew: This is what you say about him: Mattchew would have fluffed it up hardcore and not given any town reads in my opinion if he was scum. Here's what Mattchew has done in his last couple of scumgames at his first posts: TL Mafia LVII; + Show Spoiler + On September 04 2012 09:12 Mattchew wrote: I am a nosy neighbor. Anyone else with this role should insta-claim as well. The reason people policy lynch people like BM and Grush is because they get by into later in the game because they are unreadable. This is because they barely actually play the game and if you end up in lylo with one of them left, you've basically already lost. I completely understand anyone wanting to policy lynch them, but we should also not allow them to be off the hook for some sort of scum read during the day. That being said, I remember thinking to myself that I don't hate BM's play in the last few games I have been in with him. I do not want to policy lynch today. fakeclaimed. I Cant Believe its not Themed Mini Mafia: + Show Spoiler + On July 12 2012 22:43 Mattchew wrote: he is trying really really hard, and once again he is explaining his entire thought process. I dont think i have ever seen him as scum, but this is the exactly how he plays as town First he talks about gonzaw and in his ~4th post is calling him town. I also checked a couple of his towngames and he does not call anyone town (or scum for whatever reasons) early on. So he is perfectly capable of opening up a game like he did as mafia and your meta read is not accurate, because it does not really line up with any of his games, scum or town. If you want to argue about this bring some evidence from some other games and show people why your read on him is what it is. Anyone can call anyone town because it's the easiest thing for mafia to do, especially if the other person is town because you know they are town so you are not lying and not "making stuff up". You have absolutely no reasons to call Mattchew (or anyone) town at this point of the game unless you bring up proper evidence to back your read up. ~rayn | ||
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On February 13 2014 08:30 IAmRobik wrote: The bolded sentence at the ended looks like it's been edited 30 times. "nothing you say makes no sense" "with you what you call your" .... we called this SHROOP...scott howard's rule on odd posts. It's what mafia does when they are trying to make a case but have to rewrite what they are saying because they are trying to make up bad arguments Fucking weak. Now you are just making shit up. ~rayn | ||
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For the record video/voice mafia =/= forum mafia and making meta reads based on voice games is retarded. For everyone else: Can anyone tell me what is Rob's reasoning for his reads? Can anyone tell me does it make any sense and why? Can anyone tell me what his explanation is for attacking thrawn and not someone else and if it makes sense? Can anyone tell me does what he says about his playstyle match up with his actions in this game, especially considering his attack on thrawn and what happened after that? ~rayn | ||
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On February 13 2014 08:49 VIVAX420 wrote: Rayn, if you think Robik is scum bring forth a case, stuff like this is just provocatory and doesn't help anyone, even if Robik was scum. What are you trying to achieve by contrasting his opinion? You're arguing over mattchew's alignment, but you do it without a real point,I still don't know what you want, rayn. Find out if Robik is scum? Say i'm scummy? Say matt is scummy? I already made a case. Are you not reading at all? 1) He can't back up his reads or is unwilling to explain them. 2) His actions do not make sense and they do not line up with his mindset. ~rayn | ||
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##unvote To clarify, on 2+2 they have these stupid "cheat sheets" and shit that are like guides but they are really bad. All you need to do is to look happy and you need to be not afraid to say "good morning" or some shit and you are considered pretty much confirmed town. Whenever someone needs to say something that has actually do with a mafia game they claim scum if they are mafia (yes, it happened in the Champions game and i have played with a couple of those dudes later on, every time same thing). Basically they do not know how to analyze posts. | ||
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On February 13 2014 09:16 Mordanis wrote: so rayn, If you're not voting for anyone right now, what are your best scum reads? I don't know. Nothing stands out too much besides Mattchew's unexplained shit. ~rayn | ||
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On February 13 2014 09:33 VIVAX420 wrote: Your own case doesn't stand out too much? ~V What are you doing Vivax? I just explained why i retracted from my case. Those people do not have reasons for their reads. They make shitty tone reads all game. In Championship game i played in with yamato and VE i made a case on scum 12h into the game because his reads made no sense and they were like really shit. I pushed the case all game long. People never lynched him because "his tone is so townie" (he posted stuff that looked happy or some shit). He was "scum MVP" for like 40% of the players. ROFLLL!! They don't know how to play mafia or what makes people scum or town. I can't tell if this Rob guy is scum or town because he plays with those people and apparently works like most of those people do. ~rayn | ||
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On February 13 2014 09:46 IAmRobik wrote: Hey Trump...Rayn just called you a fucking trashcan mafia player cause you play(ed) on 2p2. Just want you to know that in case you read this. Not really, no. There were also good players there. I am calling your reads bad because the reasoning behind them and your actions is terrible. That is a fact. But it does not make you mafia given that you have played in environment where there are people who play terribly. God how you twist my words. ~rayn | ||
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Anyways this argument is really stupid. ~rayn | ||
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On February 13 2014 10:59 roundabound wrote: SUP ~moc FTFY clearly town ~moc | ||
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How did this player talk to flipped scum; how did that player unvote or vote; so forth and so forth. I hereby announce the first rules of connection. Location + Post Counts ShaioPi - Taiwan (2013) DoNotPanic! - Canada (2) JarJarDrinks - United States (904) IAmRobik - United States (60) roundabound - Niue (44) VIVAX420 - "" (128) gumshoe - Canada (1363) Grackeroni - United States (3432) QuantumPope - Canada (74) Mattchew - United States (5480) Mordanis - United States (733) Sidesprang - Norway (947) thrawn2112 - United States (5303) and most importantly Blazinghand - United States (16042) Odds vs Even Ladies and Gentlemen, 3 scum exist within the following subset: ShaioPi - Taiwan (2013) gumshoe - Canada (1363) Mordanis - United States (733) thrawn2112 - United States (5303) Of this 4, thrawn2112 looks the best so far, mainly cos he likes to piss over his keyboard which makes him sexy regardless of alignment ! Thus, early braggers right: {ShaioPi, gumshoe, Mordanis} | ||
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On February 13 2014 11:10 roundabound wrote: EBWOP+ Show Spoiler + Every good game of mafia requires the establishment of connections How did this player talk to flipped scum; how did that player unvote or vote; so forth and so forth. I hereby announce the first rules of connection. Location + Post Counts ShaioPi - Taiwan (2013) DoNotPanic! - Canada (2) JarJarDrinks - United States (904) IAmRobik - United States (60) roundabound - Niue (44) VIVAX420 - "" (128) gumshoe - Canada (1363) Grackeroni - United States (3432) QuantumPope - Canada (74) Mattchew - United States (5480) Mordanis - United States (733) Sidesprang - Norway (947) thrawn2112 - United States (5303) and most importantly Blazinghand - United States (16042) Odds vs Even Ladies and Gentlemen, 3 scum exist within the following subset: ShaioPi - Taiwan (2013) gumshoe - Canada (1363) Mordanis - United States (733) thrawn2112 - United States (5303) Of this 4, thrawn2112 looks the best so far, mainly cos he likes to piss over his keyboard which makes him sexy regardless of alignment ! Thus, early braggers right: {ShaioPi, gumshoe, Mordanis} ~moc was here | ||
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On February 13 2014 08:30 DoNotPanic! wrote: Why are you attacking the try-hardest person in the thread Rayn? This is the worst post in the game thus far. Facts (A) DNP considers IAR "try-hard" (B) DNP chooses to query Rayn about attacking DNP Issues (1) What is DNP read of IAR? <- try-hard is not indicative of any alignment (2) The question itself is so vague/open/non-specific that it goes no-where <- a feigned contribution (3) Where is the follow-up? If Rayn is considered a town read, why ask this useless question If Rayn is considered a scum read, why not pursue this further. <- again, feigned contribution In short, I can not comprehend the intent of this post. I can not comprehend how this post helps in any way, shape or form to ascertain the alignment of rayn and, I can not comprehend why even a bad townie would choose to interject at this point in the discussion with something so useless. Scum right here. ~moc Unfortunately, my connection theory has been already proven wrong.. sigh ##Vote: DNP | ||
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On February 13 2014 11:19 Mattchew wrote: what did that post accomplish? Nothing Mattchew. ~moc Take 2: On February 13 2014 11:19 Mattchew wrote: what did that post accomplish? The same thing yours did ~moc | ||
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On February 13 2014 04:14 IAmRobik wrote: On a different note, is there any benefit for us to discuss the type of game setup that this is, or how we figure it out. I'm fairly certain that the mafia will figure it out before us because they'll be able to quickly tell if it's A or D, or B or C. Probably more difficult for town to figure it out. Not sure how we go about this without revealing roles and whatnot. Feel free to discuss/ignore/etc. I don't think this is required. I think this has a higher propensity to lead town in circles Day1 or to give false priority to information. Further, some aspects of the setup will naturally reveal post Night 1. The priority should be to traditionally scum hunt. On February 13 2014 06:07 IAmRobik wrote: 3) Another general read that I have from forum mafia is that people who haven't said anything and just come into the thread and just start dropping content bombs are generally scummy. It shows that you took the time to come and read and think about what you wanted to say instead of just coming in and saying something. I have no fear for speaking my mind cause I am town and have nothing to hide. So I just talk. Even a "hey, just got home, will do a quick read to catch up and then give my reads" is more towny. Again, I could be wrong, but that's the impression that I got from past forum mafia experience. FOS!!!!! I think you are town currently based on sheer activity, hence why I am responding to this. I think its a treat everyone as apples/oranges mental shortcut and is going to quickly lead you down the garden path. Voice mafia is inherently a quicker game, and thus often rewards mental agility. Forum mafia is an opportunity for many players to be more critical of their thought patterns. This alone does not make someone scum. In fact, analytical type players are often very valuable players as town. On February 13 2014 07:30 IAmRobik wrote: + Show Spoiler + On February 13 2014 07:18 roundabound wrote: Okay so IAmRobik given you were so hard on going after lurkers early on in the game how come you don't question Mattchew & QuantumPope now? One of them has unanswered questions and instead of answering them he jsut posted some crap and QP made a shitty couple of posts (yes, i totally disagree with them being "townie because no fucks given") and peaced out. There is also Grackaroni who hasn't said much anything of value. Why single out thrawn of those people and now that your (apparently?) pressure on him has been answered satisfactory why are you not following with your eagerness to read people and your own scumhunting methods you started the game with? Like you called out people lurking or scared to post 1h into the game, what about those people now? ~rayn 1) I'm not comfortable analyzing QuantumPope at this moment, but I will agree that he's town. This is dumb. If you are not comfortable analysing QP, why are you lumping him into a category? That is a rhetorical question if it wasn't clear. The point I am making is: you are a very vocal person in this game. 3 pages of filter already. Stuff like the above, is better not said @ all. If QP is town, it doesnt prompt him to elucidate his townieness to players not familar with him. If QP is scum, it encourages him to remain the same. I realise reading further down that you and Rayn bicker over this; I still think the above is worth pointing out. As it applies to all future loose reads bandied about too. ~moc | ||
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There is a knowledge triangle between yourself, Mattchew and IAR. Substantiated by: On February 13 2014 07:37 QuantumPope wrote: If there are two people who I trust to read me correctly in this thread it's Mattchew and IAmRobik as they have had the most interaction with me outside of this forum but being able to read correctly can also lean mafia. I have null reads on both of them at the moment. Note their opinions of you: On February 13 2014 08:13 IAmRobik wrote: I think QP is town. I have my reason for thinking that. I don't know if it's right or not, but I think it. On February 13 2014 05:40 Mattchew wrote: quantum probably town too Did you expect both of these players to "town read" you with so little analysis? Further, Mattchew is my achilles heel. What is the secret to reading him? ~moc | ||
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On February 13 2014 07:36 ShiaoPi wrote: wanna kill the abomination known as vivax/kush hydra? I am feeling really itchy... #Vote:VIVAX420 Maybe a stupid question, hopefully not. Twas this a vote with intent to lynch? ~moc | ||
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On February 13 2014 12:37 Mocsta wrote: Hi robik I came into the game and "insta-pinged" dnp. Do you classify that as scummy? ~moc For filter ~moc | ||
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He did nothing to allay any throat ripping. Instead, announced his presence and did nothing with the spotlight. ~moc | ||
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On February 13 2014 14:46 Mattchew wrote: this is the most mafia nervous post of the game so far. I don't get what makes that mindset mafia specific. Town ruminate on setup all the time?? | ||
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Frankly I don't understand your read nor the metric. Not that I disagree per se, I just can't follow how you got there. Let's see how this pans out. Hopefully sprang replies to your accusation. I'm also curious why you find that comment overall mor damning than the post from DNP? | ||
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Frankly I don't understand your read nor the metric. Not that I disagree per se, I just can't follow how you got there. Let's see how this pans out. Hopefully sprang replies to your accusation. I'm also curious why you find that comment overall mor damning than the post from DNP? ~moc | ||
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On February 13 2014 16:45 thrawn2112 wrote: hi there mocsta Hi my love ~moc | ||
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On February 13 2014 17:12 thrawn2112 wrote: is there anything to talk about? seems like we're just waiting for the scummy people to post more That is where I am at too. I'm hesitant to raise further items as then things become forgotten about. Feel free to ask me something but. ~moc | ||
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On February 13 2014 19:01 thrawn2112 wrote: ##Vote: DoNotPanic! FTFY ~moc | ||
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On February 13 2014 20:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: thrawn are there any sepecific posts about Vivax/kush you are interested in knowing who posted what? Mattchew any reason why you have STILL not answered my questions i asked at the start of the game? Rob, you said you, Mattchew and QP have played a lot together correct? You and Mattchew seem to be having townreads on each other and on QP. Why do you think QP does not have a townread on either of you two? Is that normal? ~rayn for filter | ||
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And yes, what you said too. What are your thoughts on Mattchew? ~rayn | ||
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On February 13 2014 05:39 VIVAX420 wrote: For anyone agreeing with him it is. Let's hear reasons behind things people say shan't we? Mattchew seems to be pleased with quick conclusions without explanation, but maybe you have one. On February 13 2014 05:48 VIVAX420 wrote: It doesn't help if you say which people you think are town. It helps mafia in finding their targets, and doesn't help us finding scum. I am also interested in why they say stuff like this, and then nothing. No follow up. Vivax kinda +1's my thoughts at the time on Rob, then does nothing about it. I would also think he gets why i said what i did and why i backed off from my scumread on him. Weird.. ~rayn | ||
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On February 13 2014 22:02 VIVAX420 wrote: he's assuming we have a "hell of a scumread" on everyone we ask a question of. Also that question that he said didn't belond was actually my question, and everyone else was vivax. Ehh, where does he say you have a hell of a scumread on everyone you question? Saying you have a hell of a scumread on thrawn at that time is not that wrong imo, because Vivax said he had found mafia in thrawn, made a case and voted for him. What is it if not a scumread? I am curious, you call Mordanis noob town because his posts are "so wrong". Me and thrawn are not noobs and we have come to quite similar conclusion about your posting (that there is not much substance behind your posts). Why don't you have a scumread on us? What's different? ~rayn | ||
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On February 14 2014 00:15 IAmRobik wrote: Also, if you had to read into his post, what would you say about it. I, personally, don't know what to take out of his verbiage: specifically the bolded words. If I had to guess, it's trying to buddy up to a town. Ehh.. Grackaroni can (and will) basically say whatever he wants as either alignment. He has claimed to be a scumbuddy of a scum we lynched right after a couple of games ago. He can claim scum as town or as mafia etc. I don't really think that reads as anything other than "geez these guys are tryhard". I mean the wording does not mean pretty much anything, because Grack knows especially i don't give people townreads for buddying if i feel like people should not read me as town at that point. ~rayn | ||
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On February 13 2014 22:26 VIVAX420 wrote: i thought more about mattchew's comment on sidespring. the post itself wasn't nervous, but I think it might show nervousness that he chose to talk about setup over everything else. On February 13 2014 22:42 JarJarDrinks wrote: This is pretty much how I feel. Scum is looking for something "safe" to talk about. The fact that of all the things in the thread he could respond to, he chose setup talk, is scummy IMO. Firstly, regarding "safe" topics being scummy. Why is DNP not on your comment agenda? Secondly, Vivax420 refers to the setup discussion as potentially showing "nervousness". *YOUR* phrasing is much more specific, i.e. "scummy". Why is sidesprings retort void? On February 13 2014 17:25 sidesprang wrote: And why would scum be nervous talking about setup? Further, On February 13 2014 12:57 JarJarDrinks wrote: What is your current read on Mattchew; considering you are effectively "safely" +1'n his read.Really don't like Mattchew right now. Everyone of his posts seem carefully non-confrontational and he's giving out way too many town reads. ~moc | ||
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On February 14 2014 00:43 JarJarDrinks wrote: "Hopefully".. and what happens if he doesnt?DNP has made a single post that is obviously not a very good looking post. Didn't think I should spend too much time discussing obvious stuff. Hopefully he posts more. This end remark is not congruent with the opening remark. Is DNP a person of suspicion or not... I don't think scum would be nervous talking about setup. I think it's scummy that setup is the only thing he chose to discuss. This is beyond ridiculous. The game started on page 14. Sidespring made the post in question on page 16 at the behest of Robik. Since then, his posts have been responding (somewhat) to accusations regarding him. I have seen plenty of town only discuss setup early game; you have failed to elucidate me towards why this tell is only indicative of a mafia mindset. Like I said I don't like the way Mattchew looks. So what is the outcome?So yeah I have 2 scumreads indpendant of each other that don't really mesh well as scumbuddies. Are you keeping Sidesprang/Mattchew as a scum team; or are you rescinding a read? ~moc | ||
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On February 14 2014 01:03 JarJarDrinks wrote: + Show Spoiler + On February 14 2014 00:53 roundabound wrote: Yes. would lynchIs DNP a person of suspicion or not... On February 14 2014 00:28 roundabound wrote: scummy <> only indicative of a mafia mindset. You read DNP as scum because he made 1 shitty post and then peaced. I have seen plenty of town make 1 shitty post and go awol for a while. Can you tell me why this tell is only indicative of a mafia mindset?I have seen plenty of town only discuss setup early game; you have failed to elucidate me towards why this tell is only indicative of a mafia mindset. On February 14 2014 00:28 roundabound wrote: Uh neither. I think they are both scummy but I think it's unlikely that they are both scum together. Is something wrong w/ that?So what is the outcome? Are you keeping Sidesprang/Mattchew as a scum team; or are you rescinding a read? JJD, my core issue can be summed as: #1: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=435582&user=JarJarDrinks (Town Filter from BttB) & #2: On February 13 2014 22:42 JarJarDrinks wrote: This is pretty much how I feel. Scum is looking for something "safe" to talk about. The fact that of all the things in the thread he could respond to, he chose setup talk, is scummy IMO. Specifically, #1 - As town you come out of BttB with the intent to do your own thing, call your own shots. Of note, you outline your positions in detail and are certainly not afraid to go against the grain. #2 In this game, your filter is undeniably more passive than BttB. It is also full of +1's such that twice now you have agreed with the scum reads of people *YOU* previously declared as scummy. (roundabound with DNP, and mattchew with sidesprang). Now, we could argue that in the time since BttB you have matured and become a better person. Thus, meta is out the window. OR, we could go with the simpler solution and deduce that your sudden lack of a backbone is synonymous with rolling mafia. What sayeth you. ~moc | ||
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On February 13 2014 06:28 Mordanis wrote: I'm a little confused... Robik, are you really voting for thrawn for posting "hmmm", or is there more behind it? On a side note, I think its looking a bit sketchy that it seems like we already have a vote on thrawn (for "hmm") and vivax building a meta case on him for lurking a few hours into the game, it feels like teamwork or opportunistic scum play... I liked this post because it aligns with my thoughts at that time (VIVAX' "attack" on thrawn didn't seem so dandy). While the ultimate conclusion is pretty rofl, the intent of this post seems legit. I liked the fact he questioned Rob, one of the people who in his opinion deserved a better look. Makes sense. Later on he seems to be having a scumread on VIVAX (i think?). Makes sense. Okay, he thinks VIVAX is scummier of the two. What bothers me is that he does not question VIVAX at all about their actions. Something is scummy there, but there is no case nor questioning. That is fishy. I can understand Mordanis thinks this is the most important thing from town pov atm, but if it is so, (1) why does he not want to find out more about VIVAX, or (2) make a case if he thinks they are mafia? If not 1 or 2, why does he not comment on other things? TLDR; I can see where Mordanis is coming from with his train of thought at it makes sense but the lack of him actually pushing anything makes me think it's possible he is mafia. So yes Robik, i have changed my mind on him since i last talked about him. Definitely not the scummies person in thread but possibly scum. | ||
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On February 14 2014 02:57 VIVAX420 wrote: Well what I don't like about Mordanis is the fact that he doesn't seem the least bit suspicious about thrawn. When a guy is lurking and posting nonsense you would actually want him to post more and better stuff so you can get a read on him. Hence I can't explain from a town pov why he doesn't want thrawn to be pressured, and thrawn himself already pointed out: Well this is a terrible post. First of all how is it possible that you are suspicious of thrawn and then you agree with him because what he says is "Mordanis could be scum because i am town and he does not seem to be trying to find out if i am town or not". Noone but thrawn can agree with what he says, because if you are not thrawn and town you can't know thrawn's alignement. Second, there is absolutely nothing that was scummy in thrawns posting at that time. Your case was fucking bad, you can't possibly think someone is "lurking" or "playing to his scum meta" based on one hour of the game. I don't even care if it's Vivax or kush posting but that's so fucking ridiculous if you are going to push anything based on that you are mafia and we lynch you. So, was your case on thrawn good or not? ~rayn | ||
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On February 14 2014 03:16 IAmRobik wrote: I started typing up a response to your question for vivax, but I'll let him respond. I don't want to put words in his mouth. I will say that I thought that "Hence I can't explain from a town pov why he doesn't want thrawn to be pressured" seems very logical. Maybe I'm misreading things, but I'm starting to like Vivax based off of the questions that he's asking and the logic that he's bringing. That's because as town you don't want shit cases in thread. They distract and do not contribute toward s scumhunting. It's much better if all the cases that are shit are shut down because there is no room for mafia to "choose" the side they take, it gives them less room to hide and promotes the atmosphere where mafia need to ask themselves "if i make this case on a townie what happens? will i be instantly outed?". Always shut down shit cases. Pressure is one thing, but what Mordanis said about VIVAX' case on thrawn was right, the case was terrible. | ||
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On February 14 2014 03:17 VIVAX420 wrote: I already explained that I see meta as a valid method of finding out if he's scum, cause of the strong impression I got from that game where iamp managed to lynch a scummer D1 merely going off that. Besides, now my read on thrawn has shifted to town cause of the observation about Mordanis he made (which I just quoted), which is insight I would expect from a townie. Rayn, can you please comment on the other guys I wrote about? Do you think those are good points? (ShiaoPi, roundabout) well for starers i think rounabound is town. seriously wtf are you guys doing? ~rayn | ||
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On February 14 2014 01:52 VIVAX420 wrote: THe point Mocsta made on QP is also good. Waiting for him to kinda justify his lack of inquisiveness. ~V Another thing. Elaborate on this plz. What points Mocsta made that are good? ~rayn | ||
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Robik: "thrawn mafia" VIVAX: "Here is this shit case on thrawn" Mordanis: "Robik and VIVAX deserve to be looked at because of this thrawn thing" (later on not Robik so much) VIVAX: "Mordanis so scummy because he called us out" roundabound: "why? your case is shit, why is it scummy to call it out? do you think the case is good?" VIVAX: "no the case was bad, Mordanis still scummy because of it. You are tunneling, go do something else". Explain to me how does this make any sense? | ||
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On February 14 2014 02:57 VIVAX420 wrote: Well what I don't like about Mordanis is the fact that he doesn't seem the least bit suspicious about thrawn. When a guy is lurking and posting nonsense you would actually want him to post more and better stuff so you can get a read on him. Hence I can't explain from a town pov why he doesn't want thrawn to be pressured, and thrawn himself already pointed out: Because what i read here is "he disagreed with my case". Otherwise you should be calling me mafia too for not calling out thrawn for "lurking", Why are you not calling me scum then if this is why you find him suspicious? ~rayn | ||
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On February 14 2014 02:24 Grackaroni wrote: I agree. I bet my teammates would be attacking me in thread. I have a knack for pissing them off. chortle ~moc | ||
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On February 14 2014 02:26 sidesprang wrote: You dont think it would be dumb to lynch this early ? On February 14 2014 02:28 Mattchew wrote: I disagree respectfully.nope, gives us information, allows roles to stay more hidden while having information to work from Lynching scum >>>> perceived information. The way to play IML is to not rush into lynches, we have the benefit of time to force contributions. | ||
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On February 14 2014 06:15 Grackaroni wrote: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/kjK5Zbo.png) Well god dang it ##Unvote ##Unvote ##Unvote ##Unvote ##Unvote ##Unvote ~moc | ||
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On February 14 2014 06:37 VIVAX420 wrote: Still waiting for opinions on Shiao and sidesprang.~V Agreed An interesting observation with sidesprang was the need to repeatedly interject when he is discussed, but not contribute to anything further. Originally I thought the first interjection was nullish, as both town and scum have a need to cock-block points against them. Its the act of "active-lurking" that i do not appreciate as a town trait. Still waiting on DoNotPanic QP response to the reads on him was acceptable in my opinion. I would like to see his mindset on others items in the thread though. Even if scum was Mattchew+IAR; thats only 2 of 3. ~moc | ||
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I had a quick skim of 2 scum games (Les Mis) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=410972&user=JarJarDrinks&view=all (Bluelightz) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=420356&user=JarJarDrinks&view=all & (This game) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=441596&user=jarjardrinks I give weight to bluelights the most, as that is your most recent game, thus, most experience as scum. I note very similar entrances: On July 21 2013 15:20 JarJarDrinks wrote: Tofu is who I'm most suspicious of right now. His first post sounds like he was just trying to say the towniest thing he could think of. <followed by reasoning> On February 13 2014 06:00 JarJarDrinks wrote: Suspicious of IAmRobik. I don't like that he sheeped a townread on VIVAX420s 1 post. I thought he was joking @ first but he went on to defend it. <Followed by reasoning> As you noted, in bluelights you have no qualms slinging back n forth with "scum reads" so passivity is not necessarily indicative of alignment for you. Where I give you town credit from Bluelights is that, I have not noticed you actively +1 people (read 80% of the filter) - which is occuring a lot in this game. Instead, all your scumreads were self-generated pushes. I will prob check through Les Mis a bit later on for this as well. Essentially, based on meta I have you @ null. Based on this game, I am still finding you posting actively "safe" <-- which you yourself declared as a scum tell. Right now, Im perplexing whether you are just in total agreement with IAR and feel the need to post in general (which defies my BttB town meta of you); or whether you are scum trying to buddy up. In short: I dont expect you to always be the originator of a read. But, I dont get how you can agree with so many reads, yet, not cast a vote; or progress any of these reads further. ~moc | ||
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On February 14 2014 10:37 JarJarDrinks wrote: Because the people I'm suspicious of haven't been posting. There's only so much I can do w/ the posts so far. @ this point, I think we should vote off the scummiest looking lurker. Who would that be if we lunches right now? ~moc | ||
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How long we give DNP before a hammer?its been what 24hrs with no retort?? ~moc | ||
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On February 14 2014 11:39 VIVAX420 wrote: let dnp get modkilled imo if that's his thing.. how do you know coag had a threesome? details plz Dnp won't get mod killed. He posted. Only mod kill. Job is gumshoe I believe. Coag told me on voice chat Lol. ~moc | ||
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On February 14 2014 12:03 VIVAX420 wrote: moc do you think it would be smart to lynch DNP with 1 post? At 24hrs no response, no. Its more complicated than that though. The issue isn't 1 post. Its the intent of that 1 post. Regardless a normal lynch is 48hrs. I see no need to rush a lynch quicker than this. ~moc | ||
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On February 14 2014 12:53 VIVAX420 wrote: huh?? what is the intent of his one post. i think it was a valid observation and I was thinking the same thing myself... why the fuck is rayn pushing the most obvious town in the game. I've already commented about it U appear to be reading past interactions with current knowledge/opinions. No bueno. ~moc | ||
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On February 14 2014 12:59 thrawn2112 wrote: robik is gonna have a heart attack after reading the last few pages Y? | ||
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On February 14 2014 13:00 VIVAX420 wrote: i dont recall you commenting on it. but what do you mean by that about reading past interactions with current knowledge. I actualyl thought rob was more town back then than i do now. I commented on it and voted him.... I'm on phone so too hard to quote. Try page 3 of filter I suppose. As for the second bit. In my opinion rob has gotten townier as the game progressed hence my comment. I suppose this is all subjective. I'm curious to why he has dropped for u. Is it because of grack? | ||
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On February 14 2014 13:11 VIVAX420 wrote: nah its because in the beginning he was super active and now he is more absent. the read was 100% based on activity soo yeah. i decided to stop reading him a while back so i have no idea what his content is like. Lololol This is all kush right? Only vivax signs, yeah? ~moc | ||
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On February 14 2014 13:15 VIVAX420 wrote: this post is full of shit actually. I know this because i was thinking the same thing that DNP said, and I wanted to say it. And i am townie. It doesn't matter what you thought You didn't think enough to make a post on it. Further your opinion is explicit. Rob was town. That piece is missing from dnp. U r filling in gaps.....~moc | ||
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On February 14 2014 14:14 VIVAX420 wrote: 3. Activity: There are no hard activity requirements for this game. If I feel like you are being inactive, I will privately warn you. If this does not improve the situation, I'll use my personal judgement. seems like bh is gonna warn him then modkill him Man.. I hate this situation. Usually results in scum walking away based on predicting host decision to then Lynch town. I haven't seen the replacement thread light up so doubt anything has been said as of yet. ~moc | ||
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There is a stark quality difference between DNP and mordanis Sigh... I am eagerly awaiting the next contribution mord Matthew. If u sheep dnp bar kid, does that mean u want to Lynch shiaopi? | ||
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On February 14 2014 15:39 DoNotPanic! wrote: No other questions? A player who hasn't posted for 24 hours has came into the thread. 4 people have posted, and not one person has asked me anything of relevance. With shiaopi u concentrated on one post Based on your jjd position, I imagine shiaopi is your recommended lynch wagon. What is your interpretation on the rest of his filter. ~moc | ||
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But u have lumped that as useless. Noted Does Mattchew sheep delurk affect your null read? ~moc | ||
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Hi storrzerg Anything to make of QP only making 1 reply on reentry? ~moc | ||
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I have no want to lynch u. Very reasonable approach I think especially compared to others. ##unvote ~moc | ||
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On February 14 2014 16:54 Mordanis wrote: As per my last post, could someone who knows thrawn let me know if this isa reasonable case or not? Reasonable observation: tick Reasonable to raise: tick Reasonable case: duh duhhhhh ~moc | ||
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This is a really bad answer to the suspicions raised on sidesprang earlier on. I didn't find the post about setup scummy but this answer to the case on him is really underwhelming. On February 14 2014 02:12 sidesprang wrote: You know there is a seperate voting thread ? @JJD, you were pretty much on me whole last game aswell. Was town there, think you should adjust the way you are reading me. Also this rings alarm bells. JJD read sidesprang wrong in the last game, now he is not supposed to think he is mafia, only for that reason? Really bad.. I also have no idea who this guy thinks is mafia. Read his filter. Can someone tell who sidesprang thinks is scum? Pretty much all of his posts are weak defenses that are not really even defenses or questions that are not followed up in any way. ##Vote: sidesprang I've no idea where Mocsta stands and i need to talk to him about DNP and Mordanis, but i do not wanna lynch JJD. He looks like he is at least trying to play and he'll give away his alignment later on. But sidesprang is the most suspicious person in thread for me atm. ~rayn | ||
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On February 15 2014 01:50 Grackaroni wrote: I'm still ok with lynching Kushm4sta. He looks off and I don't know what the fuck Vivax is doing. Cna you build up an actual case? kushamsta says stuff that is dumb all the time. I don't think they are near top suspicious people. While the motivation behind some of their posts is really hard to understand it's normal at least for kush lol. ~rayn | ||
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On February 15 2014 02:01 IAmRobik wrote: Rayn, Based off of the quoted interaction and what I remember from JJD/Sidesprang, I believe there is a non-0 chance that they are mafia together. This is really easy to say to a mafia partner in thread: It's not angry or anything. It's just blah. I'm town. When you were calling me scum earlier, I was genuinely upset. I was getting irate, and I believe that translated into my posts. Sidesprang is not showing that sort of emotion. I'm not saying that every player has to get angry or show emotion when playing, but I think it's only natural that the tone of your post would reflect your emotional state. I don't really get what you are rtying to say here? Could you clarify? ~rayn | ||
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On February 15 2014 02:07 IAmRobik wrote: I am saying that I'm not sold that the interaction between sidespring and JJD can't be M/M. I'm also saying that an individuals tone changes when they are town and they are called mafia. I'm not saying this ALWAYS happens, but from personal experience, I think that sidesprang's post would show a little more attitude and fervor if he was town and defending himself against someone calling him mafia for what he thinks is a shitty reason. I don't look at connections between players before we have a flipped mafia because as town you can't base someone's alignment based on "scum/scum interactions" if you don't know the other player's alignment. Yes, they could both be mafia, but sidesprang's defense is really bad regardless of JJD's alignment because it does not address the suspicion it self, it's basically appealing to something irrelevant as it basically says "you read me wrong last game therefore you should not trust on your read in this game". That's horrible. If sidesprang flips mafia then we look into other people's interactions with him and go from there. That's how i see it. I've seen many times people do these connection cases that are terrible, like in one of the last games there was a dude who was obviously mafia and people did not lynch him before LYLO because some other mafia dude "cleared him as town". Good or even decent scumplayers know how to play with people's minds like that and in general those kinda assumptions are not good. ~rayn | ||
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Generally JJD has, as Mocsta pointed out already, just +1'd other people's thoughts and gone after multiple people based on what other guys have said despite not bringing those things up before himself. ~rayn | ||
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On February 15 2014 02:38 Grackaroni wrote: Oh I'm not writing any specific case. That's just my general feeling. Okay then i doubt you can get him lynched today. Do you think he is a realistic lynch candidate without a case? Who's your pick for second scum? ~rayn | ||
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On February 15 2014 02:40 JarJarDrinks wrote: I guess. I mean yeah, it is shitty reasoning, but it is true so I thought that maybe he's right and I should back off for the time being. Especially since he was blue I believe. I'm gonna reread him in that game and see what exactly I thought was scummy. Of course it's true lol. Do you think it's a legit reason for you to not find his suspicious this game though? ~rayn | ||
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On February 15 2014 02:57 IAmRobik wrote: So just to make sure I got this right, you're going to go read the previous game where you thought he was scummy, but he was in fact town to see if: 1) he talked about game setup in that game 2) if he lurked cause filtering your posts those are the only two things you called him out for. In fact, of your 23ish posts, only 2-3 have been about him. When JJD answers this and goes through the last game remind me i need to talk about this more. I think he is talking about Titanic II game in case you are wondering. Here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436388 | ||
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On February 15 2014 03:06 IAmRobik wrote: Wow...posting quantity/quality is night and day between that game and this game. I know, that was one of the last "good games" from town on this forum. After that this shit has gone to stupid lurking bullshit and people having some stupid personal issues against each other. Sad.  ~rayn | ||
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I can explain that in more detail post game if you want to. I tend to go against players who i think are the strongest in the game, always at the start. Because they are people who will win the game for scum if they are scum, or they are your best allies if they are town. But it's irrelevant now and a waste of posts. ~rayn | ||
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On February 15 2014 21:48 ShiaoPi wrote: ....I am of the opinion to lynch quantumpope, but I don't see me being in danger lynched any time soon. will be writing some bigger stuff up later when I can make the time for it. ##unvote ##Vote: QuantumPope Sorry Rayn. ##Unvote ##Vote: ShiaoPi Why? Original ShiaoPi: I dont think im a lynch candidate, so fuck this shit; im voting QP for zero reasons. Translated ShiaoPi: This town derpz, yo. Im gonna take a big massive dump all over it. IML this fucker right now. ~moc | ||
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On February 15 2014 17:48 ShiaoPi wrote: hey sorry I was busy the last couple of days, will be catching up now any questions ppl want me to answer immediately? On February 15 2014 19:16 Ange777 wrote: ShiaoPi (3): bumatlarge, VIVAX420, Mattchew ]ShiaoPi is the vote leader On February 15 2014 21:48 ShiaoPi wrote: I am of the opinion to lynch quantumpope, but I don't see me being in danger lynched any time soon. will be writing some bigger stuff up later when I can make the time for it. ##unvote ##Vote: QuantumPope Guys, seriously. Im over this Day1. Lynch ShiaoPi. Scum has given up clearly. ~moc | ||
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On February 16 2014 13:12 VIVAX420 wrote: and mocsta wtf you dont wan tto lynch shiaopi anymore? I'm bored and over this game. Rayn hasnt been in the qt for over 24hrs, and the thread is going no where. I cant force people to post; yet now we are all trying to hold hands in a circle singing kum-bay-yah. I am scum claiming. Please lynch us. ~moc | ||
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On February 16 2014 18:35 bumatlarge wrote: I'm fairly certain he's going to flip scum, and he's going to need a ban. It's completely unfair to his scum team no matter who they are. ##Unvote ##Vote: Bumatlarge It worked. Dem sharks always like to hover around the fresh smell of green blood. sigh, too easy Bum. Completely fallacious arguments you are marking. | ||
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On February 16 2014 17:39 thrawn2112 wrote: explain this to me. explain why you think rnd is mafia. i refuse to accept the logic of "it's impossible to jokingkly fake scum claim how mocsta did" You of all people would have seen I wrote "I am scum" clearly, it was a fake claim, when prior i wrote "I'm bored." ~moc | ||
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On February 16 2014 17:26 sidesprang wrote: Why would we not vote him? On February 16 2014 17:27 sidesprang wrote: Then he deserves to get policy lynched, and hopefully a ban aswell. This is as much as a cop out easy vote as Bum. Factoring in his previous play and complete unwillingness to divulge information, this is most certainly an opportune vote. .. I havent read gumshoe catchup post yet, so not sure how his vote of me ties in yet. .. mattchew vote, cant tell if its a joke or not based on the convo with vivax420. i am more so surprised he dropped his shiaopi read for this. am curious how he follows up. ===== So sidesprang + bum def looking terrible from all this. ~moc | ||
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On February 16 2014 18:52 thrawn2112 wrote: if bum is being stupid it's because you are enabling him touche; but theres a difference between stupid and try-hard. I felt his arguments fall under "try-hard" and thus are malicious. ~moc | ||
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On February 16 2014 20:52 VIVAX420 wrote: Moc, why did you want to lynch Shiao again? Can't remember. I like the stuff Vivax posted on Mordanis though. Either terribly bad, or scum struggling to make meaningful posts. At this stage, I don't care if hes terribly bad, so gonna go with scum. ##Unvote ##Vote: Mordanis Lets just get a hammer on someone. ~moc | ||
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On February 13 2014 03:07 Blazinghand wrote: Day 1 Its almost 4 days since day1 started. just lynch someone already. ~moc | ||
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Hi Bum ! Whats the best way to do this you say? Make a meaningless fluff post about the threads last posts in order of time stamps, most recent @ top. 8 page filter On February 16 2014 21:44 roundabound wrote: + Show Spoiler + On February 13 2014 03:07 Blazinghand wrote: Day 1 Its almost 4 days since day1 started. just lynch someone already. ~moc 6 page filter On February 16 2014 20:52 VIVAX420 wrote: + Show Spoiler + Moc, why did you want to lynch Shiao again? 4 page filter On February 16 2014 19:50 thrawn2112 wrote: + Show Spoiler + kush can you explain the shiaopi meta stuff from earlier 6 page filter On February 16 2014 19:38 IAmRobik wrote: + Show Spoiler + On February 16 2014 19:15 VIVAX420 wrote: gumshoe actually looks pretty town from that megapost. -extended reasoning tryring to understand mocsta's scumclaim. -his reads have good reasons behind them no no no no no no no disagree with every single letter and symbol that you made in that post, down to the 2 "-"s Instead of basing his reads on what has happened so far, he just uses "roundabound is scum" to create reads on every other player. WTF? That's not town. That's mafia jumping on something and building fake reads based off of incorrect information. 2 page filter On February 16 2014 18:59 sidesprang wrote: + Show Spoiler + I dont see why this makes bum scum, please elaborate. 2 page filter - subbed in On February 16 2014 18:53 bumatlarge wrote: + Show Spoiler + Regardless of how this ends, it's going to end up with you looking like a jackass and an idiot. Good night. 1 page filter - late bloomer On February 16 2014 17:33 gumshoe wrote: + Show Spoiler + On February 16 2014 17:26 VIVAX420 wrote: it feels like he's fake claiming scum. If he's doing that, then I'm sicing geript after him. 1 page filter On February 14 2014 16:54 Mordanis wrote: + Show Spoiler + On February 14 2014 13:34 VIVAX420 wrote: thrawn timeline: lurk scumstyle start tryharding because vivax caught him continue to lurk when the pressure goes down As per my last post, could someone who knows thrawn let me know if this isa reasonable case or not? 2 page filter On February 16 2014 15:43 Mattchew wrote: yeah is this a joke? 4 page filter On February 16 2014 11:12 Grackaroni wrote: + Show Spoiler + On February 16 2014 11:04 bumatlarge wrote: ONLY I GET TO HAMMER. ME. NOT YOU. We should join forces for a more surprising hammer/ 1 page filter On February 16 2014 01:55 ShiaoPi wrote: + Show Spoiler + if you guys really lynch me based on this stuff you are terrible :D nobody even cares about my reads so looks like to you sillys d1 lynch is already decided. Why should I care about writing stuff out if you ignore it anyway. btw vivax gets moar scum points for rolefishing 2 page filter On February 15 2014 04:34 JarJarDrinks wrote: + Show Spoiler + Vivax, it really seems like you're trying to get me to move my vote off of Grack and onto Shiao. All I said about Shiao was I'd be fine lynching a lurker. What do you think of grack? 1 page filter On February 14 2014 04:42 QuantumPope wrote: + Show Spoiler + On February 13 2014 23:23 IAmRobik wrote: I think I've played less than a handful of games with QP. Only one memorable games where he mislynched me at f3 when both of us were town. I don't remember any other games that we've played. I wouldn't say that I'm able to read him well. In fact, if not for some stuff I picked up from his first post, I would not be clearing him and would say he's about as null a read as any others in here that I've never played with. I just got to work (in 8 inches of snow). No one is here, so I'm gonna take the opportunity to reread d1 so far. Ugh never forget lol. On [February 13 2014 11:57 roundabound wrote: @QP There is a knowledge triangle between yourself, Mattchew and IAR. Substantiated by: Note their opinions of you: Did you expect both of these players to "town read" you with so little analysis? Further, Mattchew is my achilles heel. What is the secret to reading him? ~moc I could see that little banter I had with Mattchew is something we both like doing. It could be looked at as town but strange to me that he would trust me so willingly after a few posts. As for IAmRobik I feel that he is able to read me pretty well. I've been pretty lackluster in this thread but it's better to have an early read on me than no read at all. Now to our thrilling conclusion. On February 14 2014 01:32 Mattchew wrote: rayn, my town read on QP was hastey and unwarrented. I do not have a read on him currently Almost as hasty and unwarranted as this post. I find it strange that both of them early on give "town reads" on me and then suddenly retract when absolutely no information was added other than my silence. Really strange reactions from both of them. No conclusions cos im a baller like that ~moc | ||
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On February 16 2014 22:44 VIVAX420 wrote: mordanis - TOWN He is a super noob. Yes his cases are bad but newb scum would not be able to make those cases. if the cases are bad, why is it beyond a newb scum? You lump and categorise players too hard. Mordanis has a small filter: read 1 page. Lets do a post by post: NOT SPOILERED for your Benefit On February 13 2014 03:31 Mordanis wrote: Red: Noob Card with insult to town thrown in for good measure -> (/sarcasm) cos thats how town likes to correct actions they do not likeIt's been quite a while since I've played, so I was going to say that I seem to remember that the correct action at the beginning of a game is to yell at people and vote for people just for the hell of it, but I see all of this has already been accomplished. Clearly this much shenanigans could only be scum. brb gonna go write a wall of text case against everyone. Blue: First promise of "mega contribution" On February 13 2014 06:28 Mordanis wrote: No conclusion fluffI'm a little confused... Robik, are you really voting for thrawn for posting "hmmm", or is there more behind it? On a side note, I think its looking a bit sketchy that it seems like we already have a vote on thrawn (for "hmm") and vivax building a meta case on him for lurking a few hours into the game, it feels like teamwork or opportunistic scum play... On February 13 2014 06:36 Mordanis wrote: Theory ramble. NullI'm not sure I follow that argument. Is scum inherently lazy in your view, or does actual evidence always support town, rather than scum? I think its certainly possible that scum could find a previous game that could be used to lynch a townie. On February 13 2014 08:30 Mordanis wrote: Second promise of "mega contribution"Rob, you're clearly reading my filter without context. I wrote that after like 5 posts, and it was a joke intended for the couple (I think) of people I've played with before. You see, I had a reputation (especially from my newbie games) of only posting novella-length cases, and basically letting those do all of my talking. On February 13 2014 09:06 Mordanis wrote: Red: He is a self-proclaimed "novella-case" maker, yet is only producing glimmers of thoughts with no concrete substance.I've got to go to class for a while, but before I go, I just wanted to elaborate on my previous feelings. I think the abortive case had some momentum for a second against thrawn is very suspicious. The way Rob voted for Thrawn for lurking, and then !Hey Presto!, vivax comes in showing that thrawn is apparently well known for being lurky as scum, well it all seems very wrong. vivax backed down almost immediately, and Rob stayed the course until thrawn started talking. Now vivax left without any more reads after that. Rob did the *exact* opposite, posting a lot and picking up a read (based on thrawn's thoughts and a joke). Essentially what I'm trying to say here is that the behavior between the two of these definitely warrants more investigation. On vivax I really don't like the way that vivax posted fluff, gave someone else evidence to start a case, and then left it all alone for everyone else to take care of, and then disappeared right afterwards. And then there's this post: vivax goes from one hell of a scum read on thrawn (without really pushing anything) to one hell of a town read on Robik (without telling us why). In short, vivax seems incredibly confident about being right but hasn't really done anything useful aside from helping another player make a case. That seems like as much of a scum mindset as you can get. Bold Red: If this is a proven scum mindset, where is the vote? On February 13 2014 09:16 Mordanis wrote: Ironic fluff; considering he has scum reads with no vote...so rayn, If you're not voting for anyone right now, what are your best scum reads? On February 13 2014 23:53 Mordanis wrote: Offers insight on post phrasing for something insignificant; yet, can't reach vote-worthy conclusions on his own reads.Quite reasonably because "do you talk this much as scum" implies that you meant Rob was a town read. Robik didn't say "I talk a lot as town", but rather "I like forum mafia because I can make a ton of content". On February 13 2014 23:58 Mordanis wrote: Red: Apparently now isn't chasing Robik; but doesnt clear him as town either.....I'm not going after Robik at present. I felt something was off between the two that warranted further investigation, which has led me to believe that vivax is the scummier of the two. Right now, I'm not exactly feeling incredibly rushed to get a lynch in the next few hours, so I'm curious to see the way kush plays vivax. Blue: Not rushed to get a lynch, because waiting for others to do things- -- yet wont produce the mega contributions promised either. On February 14 2014 14:10 Mordanis wrote: Another excuse to not fulfil his own promiseHey, I just got back. If anyone has any questions for me, I'll be reading through for the next while. On February 14 2014 15:28 Mordanis wrote: Red:The case on Vivax is time-stamp conjecture summarised by cherrypicking "STUFF" that isnt even fleshed out for us simpletonsThe more I look at the early game, the worse vivax looks. vivax's meta case on thrawn came 3 hours in. A few minutes later, Robik asks vivax for a game where thrawn is town, and vivax doesn't post for the next ~half hour. then 3 minutes after thrawn explains his little move, there's vivax.[red] To me, this comes across as vivax cherrypicking stuff to try to get a lynch early.[/erd] Hopefully more coming soon! Blue: 3rd promise of more contribution On February 14 2014 16:43 Mordanis wrote: An acceptable point of view. And a solid reason to be unsure of Mordanis alignment. Henceforth I treat this post as null until more flips are given.I thought this was apparent but I guess I have to explain this. The case on thrawn was the first case with anything to it. There were two people behind it, and it seemed like a mostly meta case (as I recall, Robik was much happier with his read after seeing the game vivax linked). The thing is, I don't know thrawn, or really anyone else well enough to make a meta case or even believe one without outside confirmation.So, I did what I can do, and thought about the posts and the order and such, to try to find scum through analysis. I thought (and still do) that, if there is a strong meta case against someone who has played many games on TL, there will be several games that will show this pattern, and multiple people will be able to verify that the meta case is reasonable. Why? Scum know who town is. Say Thrawn is town; its an entirely plausible contribution for scum to make (Against a weak/incorrect Vivax case). This is independant of Vivax alignment. On February 14 2014 16:54 Mordanis wrote: Why does this still matter. The game has progressed further; Vivax and his hydra buddy have made more content than pertains to just thrawn; yet mordanis is fixated here talking abotu absolutely nothing else YET NOT PROBING THEM TO ELUCIDATE MORE INFORMATION.As per my last post, could someone who knows thrawn let me know if this isa reasonable case or not? Vivax, mordanis is scum QED Please lynch, me falling asleep here. | ||
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On February 16 2014 23:05 JarJarDrinks wrote: Firstly, the post above is mocSorry people, been crazy busy but caught up now. Glad to see votes move off ShiaoPi since he doesn't really seem scummy to me. Not crazy about the votes now on Mordanis since I feel the same about him. + Show Spoiler + Can people tell me what they have against lynching Grack? Half his posts are trolling and the few reads he has seem pretty superficial. Right now he's voting for sidespring and here's basically all the reason he's given: On February 14 2014 01:57 Grackaroni wrote: Sheepin' it up. ##Vote: Sidesprang And he's left his vote there conveniently despite the fact that the people he was supposedly 'sheeping' have since changed. He hasn't really given an opinion on anyone this game. Secondly, I could def swappo you with ShiaoPi for buds with Mordanis and QP ~moc | ||
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There is no reason to repreatedly try to make those people post, and they can't all be mafia. *sigh* Also i havn't been able to talk with Mocsta for the last 2 days because we're never online at the same time. Just lynch one of those people. They will just continue to say nothing. ~rayn | ||
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On February 17 2014 00:04 VIVAX420 wrote: mocsta did some retarded fake claim while you were gone :\ Well ofc i read that, but why the fuck did people vote? Like i get bum's vote (not the reasoning which is retarded), but the policy part. But the other votes? ~rayn | ||
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On February 17 2014 00:09 VIVAX420 wrote: I already answered this. Disclaimer: I have no idea how this guy plays! Maybe I have been in games with him but 1 he is quite forgettable 2 i have terrible memory You should probably start reading posts more carefully and think about the motives behind them if you are town. gumshoe basically posts whatever he thinks at that time. Look at the Quiet game mini mafia and LXIV, the last couple of his games. - Quiet game (especially this post): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=439654¤tpage=56#1102 D1, 20 minutes before the deadline, gumshoe comes in after mostly lurking the whole phase. Earlier he has been voting for scum. He unvotes CC for dick move analysis (reasonable) and does not comment anything on the vote leader's posts other than "he's bad". Corazon is SURE to get lynched (and will flip mafia), but gumshoe makes a case on WoS. Everyone who has not played with him calls him mafia for that post because it's so bizarre and does not contribute to the lynch in any way. But he is obviously town for it. noone sees it other than me and yamato. - LXIV: gumshoe starts the game by saying "vote me for mayor because i am so bad". Later on he votes marv for mayor and says "I'm fine with xata dying regardless of my alignment because once he's out of the game I can stop lurking". seriously? haha. He's mind works in really mysterious ways, but you gotta look after why he does these things. Now onto this game: His big post. What's the point of making that post he did as mafia? Why not just state his townreads as town because of obvious reasons noone can call him out for (like saying "they have been pro-active bla bla")?? There is certainly some sort of thought process going through his head and while the post he made looks "tryhard" and "forced" that's how his posts ALWAYS look. While the thought process is bad and relies on Mocsta's scumclaim being real that does not make him mafia. I am actually pretty sure he is town. ~rayn | ||
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On February 17 2014 00:17 VIVAX420 wrote: It's like he was so convinced that mocsta was telling the truth about being scum. I don't think scum would automatically jump to that conclusion and provide reasoning why scum mocsta would claim scum. Yes, exactly this! ~rayn | ||
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On February 17 2014 00:38 thrawn2112 wrote: i wasn't reading him as scum, it was an argument yeah i know, but bum's answer is still fishy. ~rayn | ||
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On February 16 2014 17:26 sidesprang wrote: Why would we not vote him? On February 16 2014 17:27 sidesprang wrote: Then he deserves to get policy lynched, and hopefully a ban aswell. Hops on to the claim immediately for policy reasons. But see especially the red part. On February 16 2014 23:45 sidesprang wrote: I'm up for Mord / QP, pretty much just want to get this lynch over with. This game is so boring. When the lynch does not gain momentum see what he does. He drops out his scumread/policy (which is weak in the first place) and suddenly wants to lynch someone else. Now this makes no sense, if he feels like we are mafia so strong, why not push the lynch then? He's trying to find a lynch, not mafia. ##unvote ##Vote: sidesprang | ||
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On February 17 2014 00:54 sidesprang wrote: And its not a read, its him scumclaiming and voting himself. So why are you not voting for us now? Why did the policy disappear? ~rayn | ||
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On February 17 2014 01:20 gumshoe wrote: Rayn, can you speak for your lesser half? Do you have any reasonable explanation for why he would claim? He was bored. What does it matter? ~rayn | ||
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On February 17 2014 01:05 sidesprang wrote: Ok, go check who was the first, and also atm the only one to unvote. And check how many minutes it took for me to unvote. You are dodging the issue. It does not matter if you unvoted first or whatever. You unvoted after VIVAX, Rob and thrawn clearly disagreed with the lynch. lol. You also clearly said "they are claiming mafia as mafia or deserve to be lynched even if they are town because of policy". It's a policy lynch and noone else's opinion should matter. You are making shit up, you clearly unvoted because other people who look town disagreed with the lynch and in the first place it should not even matter. scum. ~rayn | ||
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On February 17 2014 01:23 Mattchew wrote: rayn i dont think sidesprang is mafia, in past games he is super serious as mafia and this game he seems pretty loose at the beginning willing to troll and joke around. Also, that was some bullshit mocsta pulled, fucking awful play from either alignment and policy lynching you guys is what I want to do, but is not the way to lynch scum imo, cause i think your town Gumshoe is interesting, I am trying to refrain from knee-jerk calling him scum So far the people I am ok with dying are Shiaopi, Mordanis, Thrawn and maybe like Grack/Gum/QP sidesprang's explanations do not line up with his actions. He is mafia. ~rayn | ||
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On February 13 2014 05:40 Mattchew wrote: no fucks given attitude iamrobik and quantum probably town too bad reasoning, especially given the player is kush. unexplained 2 reads. On February 13 2014 06:27 Mattchew wrote: Is lynch grack and not look back unexplained On February 14 2014 02:17 Mattchew wrote: I don't think that grack and side are the same alignment unexplained On February 15 2014 16:10 Mattchew wrote: re-read, shiapi best lynch today sidesprang usually is super serious as mafia, this game he was willing to have funsies so maybe let him live unexplained ShiaoPi. bad reasoning for sidesprang, has nothing to do with this game and does not take account his town meta. On February 17 2014 01:23 Mattchew wrote: rayn i dont think sidesprang is mafia, in past games he is super serious as mafia and this game he seems pretty loose at the beginning willing to troll and joke around. Also, that was some bullshit mocsta pulled, fucking awful play from either alignment and policy lynching you guys is what I want to do, but is not the way to lynch scum imo, cause i think your town Gumshoe is interesting, I am trying to refrain from knee-jerk calling him scum So far the people I am ok with dying are Shiaopi, Mordanis, Thrawn and maybe like Grack/Gum/QP All lynchtargets unexplained. Gumshoe is "interesting". That's not a read. Now Mattchew, how in your opinion am i supposed to think you are town based on what you have said and how would you say you are doing in explaining why someone is mafia and why should we lynch them? ~rayn | ||
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On February 17 2014 01:49 sidesprang wrote: @Rayn, go check newbie LI. There a guy votes himself, which makes me vote on him for that reason. I also leave the door open for unvoting if he instead will start fighting for himself instead of giving up. I was town. So why do I have to be mafia for doing something simmilar this game? Because your vote is on ShiaoPi before Mocsta's play (1). Then you vote for us, and give reasoning which implicates you are voting us for policy. You literally say we deserve do die regardless of our alignment (2). After three players who are amongst the strongest in this game disagree with the lynch you retract from the vote for no reasoning (2). Then you say you are okay with QP/Mordanis dying and vote for QP (1). 1) Before and after voting for us your mind changes from ShiaoPi -> QP/Mordanis. None of those people have posted in this timeframe. This makes no sense because there is no reason for you to suddenly think QP/Mord are more likely mafia than ShisoPi is because none of those people have posted between when you changed your mind. You give no reasoning for this change of mind. It makes no sense from town perspective. 2) Your reasoning for voting us is in the first place bullshit because you do not even think about the motive behind Mocsta's actions. This means you are voting for us as policy, which in itself is fine. What's not fine is that you retract from the vote when you realize the lynch is not going through (after people disagree). This makes no sense from town perspective because policy lynch is a policy lynch and you keep your vote on the policy lynch if you do it in the first place. | ||
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Bums post reads like classic scum in very guide. Start off with a scum read, then produce reasons to ignore it. Then push othersothers whom ya vote is not in. Yes that's right. Bum advocates shiaopi but no reason yet has a vote on us.how town like do u think? Lol ~moc | ||
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On February 17 2014 08:51 bumatlarge wrote: I would love to lynch you, but apparently you can scum claim and still not die. I'm immune to your tactics boys. Why don't you go ahead and put your vote on ShiaoPi. You aren't allowed to put it anywhere else. U were there in restart. I scum claimed as town.heck I'm the guy that fake claimed doc to lynch the doc. Your sole metric is an action you convey as personally not comprehending. Bad play is not equivocal with scum play. I would have thought a town player that realises that rounds bound is scum, would then filter dive and prove motive behind the rest of play You can't do that and won't do that. I.e. your primary push in the game is pure policy.. Yet here you are trying to tell us how to play the game. What I love is how you comment in the validity of cases. E.g. mordanis You talk with a level of conviction beyond assuming. Disagree? | ||
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I'm doing a "QP" I'm not going to post for 72 hrs and rely on bum to ignore good cases like mordanis or sidesprang. Plus everyone will forget I exist and thus not vote me ~moc | ||
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Not just the tone, but that he offers his thoughts willingly When tied in with his lack of care for lynch as rayn has noted and there is zero reason to not lynch sidesprang ~moc | ||
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On February 17 2014 11:21 VIVAX420 wrote: Moc, what can you say to his mafia play then? Do you think it's similar to this game? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=442787&user=sidesprang&view=all ~V Off a glance that game is different to this one and titantic. In shadow he's playing classic scum in the sense mainly discussing bad logic in cases made against town. i note that he is hesitant to release information in general though, instead choosing to ask questions to others. The act of withholding informatiom is akin to this game in my opinion One thing of high note is that shadow is a hydra game of sorts so i dobt think its smart to make that game a baseline for hsi scum play | ||
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On February 17 2014 22:28 Mocsta wrote: gumshoe stop being useless and put ya vote somewhere useful ~moc | ||
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On February 17 2014 23:30 thrawn2112 wrote: meh i have no desire to even look at ths thread until mordanis and qp post something very frustrating shiaopi could acknowledge his lynch yet refused to post prior. this game.. seriously. scum, rayn + i are like mvp & nestea please remove us. ~moc | ||
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On February 17 2014 23:48 thrawn2112 wrote: i kinda want to l;ynch grack lol I will T_Bag him him for you ~moc /teabag | ||
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On February 18 2014 07:22 VIVAX420 wrote: so kind of nervous = obvious town? Yeah didn't u know that, broag? Rubix cube is definitely getting tea-bagged now. ~moc | ||
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On February 18 2014 08:21 bumatlarge wrote: Aw, ShiaoPi y u no talk to me Like that would have made a difference In hindsight it is clear u were one track minded. The real question is where her malicious or retarded. Tea could help here I think. ~moc | ||
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Please note that with your logic you are scum for voting grack He has a town seal, yo... ~moc | ||
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On February 18 2014 09:48 bumatlarge wrote: No one cares mocsta About bum? I'll walk into it. ~moc | ||
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On February 18 2014 13:16 Mattchew wrote: mordanis and gumshoe would be great lynches Yet u voted shiaopi and nothing has changed in the thread to come out with this statement. QP hasn't posted since feb14. I'm sure his excuse isnt an impromptu trip to Australia. Why ignore him. ~moc | ||
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On February 19 2014 03:29 gumshoe wrote: This will be the last thing said about blue roles today, there is only a parity cop or a doctor. There was no shot block and it's not day 2 yet. Aside from stupidity there is almost no reason to claim a role today (minus a fake boxer one in hopes of avoiding a lynch) and absolutely none for you to be asking about it. You know this how? Because i don't. ##Vote: gumshoe | ||
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On February 19 2014 03:44 JarJarDrinks wrote: Sidespring claimed Cop. Grack claimed Doctor. It would be stupid to not discuss these things. I guess Irob posted his nestea pic for some other reason but it looked like we were gonna have dueling cop claims. Then one of them is mafia if they are really claiming. gumshoe is mafia too. ~rayn | ||
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On February 19 2014 03:47 Grackaroni wrote: It's because mafia have no GF And how do you know this? ~rayn | ||
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On February 19 2014 03:49 IAmRobik wrote: I'll let you continue your questioning roudnabound, but I think there's no reason, at this point, not to believe gumshoe's claim that he was dildo'd There is no reason he should know there is no BOTH of the cop + doctor. ~rayn | ||
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On February 19 2014 03:53 Grackaroni wrote: What do you think of the actual case on Mattchew Rayn? I don't care because i believe gumshoe claimed scum. ~rayn | ||
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On February 19 2014 03:56 IAmRobik wrote: There is NO way to know what the setup is, neither as mafia nor as town until there is a claim and or someone flips as town PR or maf PR. Stop speculating on this nonsense already and try to contribute something worthwhile...like goddamn reads. Am I the only one who gives a bleeping bleep about rereading thrawn? YES YOU CAN KNOW THE SETUP IF YOU ARE MAFIA BASED ON IF YOUR TEAM HAS A GODFATHER OR NOT. 1) You have GF, town has either both cop+doc or none 2) You have no GF, town has either doc OR cop. That's what gumshoe just said in thread (2). | ||
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On February 19 2014 03:29 gumshoe wrote: This will be the last thing said about blue roles today, there is only a parity cop or a doctor. There was no shot block and it's not day 2 yet. Aside from stupidity there is almost no reason to claim a role today (minus a fake boxer one in hopes of avoiding a lynch) and absolutely none for you to be asking about it. Case closed. He is mafia. ~rayn | ||
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On February 19 2014 03:58 IAmRobik wrote: It's cause he saw my boxer claim and there is no setup that has boxer, cop and medic. Can you stop tunneling and get back to being a good towny. Are you fucking scum too. You claimed Boxer AFTER his post!!!! And btw it does not change the fact he knows if mafia has a GF or not. ~rayn | ||
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gumshoe claims there is only a cop or a doctor. There is no possible way he can know this unless he knows mafia has no godfather. I think you all can put two and two together and think what's literally the only scenario how he can know this.. See you on N2. ~rayn | ||
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On February 19 2014 03:52 gumshoe wrote: Allow me to be clear, the only possible blue roles that can do shiit are doc and parity. Doc should only maybe claim if he healed someone, then two townies are cleared which might be worth it (its honestly up to the doc.) Parity should not claim period till he has two reads unless he desperate for town cred and faker should claim likewise if he wants cred or is about to be lynched. I was covering every possible scenario (ie doc faker or parity) I was not implying which are in the game, something I would have absolutely no way of knowing even if I was scum. Whats your point? Well this is incorrect so why are you saying this? ~rayn | ||
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Why is it good now Grackaroni and was not good on D1? ~rayn | ||
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On February 19 2014 05:07 IAmRobik wrote: why are you two going at each other? this is silly. Can we lynch mafia anytime soon? Yes we can. I am not going after him, he is just dumb, i am ignoring him. I am waiting for Grack to answer my question about the Mattchew case and Mattchew to answer the case. Also sidesprang and Mordanis should do something or get lynched. ~rayn | ||
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On February 19 2014 05:33 VIVAX420 wrote: hmm rayn why did you get so mad? Because after D1 you have called seven people mafia for absolutely no reasoning and that doesn't help. Again, start giving some analysis and conclusions if you want to help, if you don't shut up. ~rayn | ||
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On February 19 2014 05:42 JarJarDrinks wrote: Conspiracy theory time. Scum has 2 Forum Heroes, 1 Trilaner They know that there can't possibly be a doc and a cop. So, they decide to dual claim right before the deadline, knowing that one of their claims will for sure go uncountered I mean, they happened to both be around @ the deadline and claim @ the exact same time? What's the point of double fake claiming if they don't even know who is going to be under attack on D2 and one of them is gonna get cc'd? ~rayn | ||
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I'll let sidesprang answer this one first as it's a question to him. Seems like he's didgy atm. ~rayn | ||
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On February 19 2014 05:52 IAmRobik wrote: It's not a terrible play if they're able to out a town PR. I don't know why they would think that they'd be able to do it though, because it wouldn't make sense to claim as the town PR is still basically vanilla town at that point. So sidesprang and Grackaroni make a play that they both claim power roles as mafia on N1. What if someone like me or you counter claim them? Who do you think gets lynched? Or what if thrawn had flipped blue? Again, what's the point? ~rayn | ||
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On February 19 2014 05:56 sidesprang wrote: Can you not see town motivation for being didge regarding that questsion aswell tho rayn? The question is not whether or not i see it. The question is why you did it and it's a legit question. I am not you and you were the one who was asked that question, so no, i am not giving you any answers. How about you stop dodging questions addressed to you and start answering them? ~rayn | ||
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On February 19 2014 06:12 Grackaroni wrote: Because his case was about Mattchew being passive and consistently avoiding conflict. Either yours was not about that, or I didn't read yours if it was. My case was that Mattchew hasn't said shit in this game which is the same thing. "Avoiding confliction" and "being passive" are just fancy words of saying the same thing. ~rayn | ||
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On February 19 2014 06:15 JarJarDrinks wrote: You'd also have just as much of a chance of getting the doc to switch to you. And weren't you worried that you'd actually get countered? If you're town, you risked outing a PR for no possible gain. This is only a scum play. I don't know why anyone at least as town would take that claim seriously. Did you read what i just wrote to Robik? Also why are you only questioning sidesprang about the claim and not Grack? Why does his claim ring more alarm bells? Is there any reason why Grack's claim is not scummy at all? ~rayn | ||
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On February 19 2014 07:05 VIVAX420 wrote: SURE BRO. Here's a scummy meta case on Mordanis: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=331498&user=Mordanis&view=all See ya. (Actually, do compare the games). That's not a case, that's a filter. How does that imply he is mafia compared to this game and how is this relevant because as far as i know from the database Mordanis has not played on TL in a long time? ~rayn | ||
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Thrawn Not a bad NK selection. He was unanimously considered as town, and lurked enough that he could be a blue snipe as well. Reads wise, he wasnt advocating anyone with a high degree of certainty towards the end; unless you count On February 17 2014 23:48 thrawn2112 wrote: as a post worth NK'n over.i kinda want to l;ynch grack lol On February 18 2014 15:17 Mordanis wrote: Mordanis made a thread summary post above. Yet fails to identify this pearler from me !+ Show Spoiler + Alright, I just did some quick math and by my count, even if we only mislynch, there won't be any LYLO until D5. My last game, I was town and was never scummy enough to get lynched or good/right enough to be shot and felt that I was not the player town wanted in a LYLO. As such I am not entirely opposed to being lynched D2 if there aren't any good cases. I don't want to put words in anyone's mouth, but aside from one head of vivax and thrawn (perhaps robik), it seems like most people are saying that I would be a good lynch for similar reasons. Also, apologies in advance as my method for this post has been to quote every post I want to comment on in a new tab, and the tabs seem to have gotten jumbled. The upshot of this is that the order will probably be off slightly. Also what is this teabagging? afraid to google......... My catch-up is here: + Show Spoiler + On February 17 2014 14:35 JarJarDrinks wrote: ##unvote ##vote: sidesprang This was kinda discussed but sidespringe retracting his vote for roundabout makes no sense: Here he explains how it's a policy vote:So he's saying that even if he's town, he deserves to be lynched for fake claiming scum. So why in the world would he unvote him after round said he was lying? Here's his explaination:but that makes no sense. He just told us that he deserves to be policy lynched. So the fact that he took the claim away shouldn't have much to do w/ the reason he's voting for him. Especially since:You'd think that he'd leave his vote on his policy lynch then. It's not like he has some other great read that he really needs to not waste his vote. I don't know at all how I feel about the shitfest with Round's scum claim, but I don't think anything can be derived from this sequence JJD is looking at. To me this seems like SS simply hasn't had enough experience with this kind of situation, and changed his mind about the scum claim with the amount of analysis being poured into that play. Being open to changes in information is a very town-oriented attitude. *More on this when there is discussion on SS's switch from shiao to QP* On February 15 2014 23:04 thrawn2112 wrote: This is what I meant when I said "JJD has done nothing except to say he wants to kill people for reasons that don't have anything to do with lynching mafia." His whole filter is like that. When he talks about who he;s ok with lynching he only talks about lurker policy, or in grack's case troll policy lynching. JJD doesn't care at all about finding and lynching mafia. JarJar, can you please say if you are suspicious of anyone who isn't a lurker/troll? I totally agree with this post. On February 16 2014 04:28 IAmRobik wrote: Soooooo, it's a good thing I didn't access my computer last night or I would have spammed some dumb drunk shit. I agree that shiao looks super scummy and if he's town, it's 100% his fault if he gets mislynched. His "reads" are lackluster at best and his "anger" about getting "mislynched" is laughable. Vivax and roundabound, The 4 of you failed me. gumshoe, A lot is going to be expected of you. Please make the best use of your posts. There are a lot of really towny people in my eyes and just a few scummy ones, so you're gonna have to prove yourself. I really don't like this post. Yeah, Shiao wasn't great this game, but I expect more than "I think you're shitty, die". Not sure if scummy or giving up out of boredom... On February 16 2014 09:21 bumatlarge wrote: I'm cautious about how many people are jumping on Shiao. Even if I think he's the scummiest I've come across in the thread, the reasons aren't all that strong. Sure he has little content and doesn't seem to be improving them, but day 1 townies do this. Mattchew, I think this is what you usually do, but can you give a little more detail to who you are accusing? I wouldn't insult the game of mafia by calling them reads. You seem "ok with lynching X" about all of the time. The only thing I've liked about what you said so far is about sidespring. Do you have more on every other player in the game you've mentioned? Sketch as fuck. This reads as the most cautious scummy post I've ever read. I want to vote for X but I don't want to look bad when X flips green. Soft defends X while calling X scummy. Calls X a premature bandwagon but isn't suspicious of those who are in it. On February 17 2014 00:35 roundabound wrote: thrawn made a very good post on bumatlarge earlier on. Actually bum deserves another look based on how he tries to over explain the reasons why we are mafia. In fact he reaches to "more likely to be town" in his conclusions. ~rayn A good point. The following sequence is also interesting: On February 17 2014 00:49 roundabound wrote: sideprang: Hops on to the claim immediately for policy reasons. But see especially the red part. When the lynch does not gain momentum see what he does. He drops out his scumread/policy (which is weak in the first place) and suddenly wants to lynch someone else. Now this makes no sense, if he feels like we are mafia so strong, why not push the lynch then? He's trying to find a lynch, not mafia. ##unvote ##Vote: sidesprang On February 17 2014 01:29 roundabound wrote: You are dodging the issue. It does not matter if you unvoted first or whatever. You unvoted after VIVAX, Rob and thrawn clearly disagreed with the lynch. lol. You also clearly said "they are claiming mafia as mafia or deserve to be lynched even if they are town because of policy". It's a policy lynch and noone else's opinion should matter. You are making shit up, you clearly unvoted because other people who look town disagreed with the lynch and in the first place it should not even matter. scum. ~rayn On February 17 2014 01:55 roundabound wrote: Because your vote is on ShiaoPi before Mocsta's play (1). Then you vote for us, and give reasoning which implicates you are voting us for policy. You literally say we deserve do die regardless of our alignment (2). After three players who are amongst the strongest in this game disagree with the lynch you retract from the vote for no reasoning (2). Then you say you are okay with QP/Mordanis dying and vote for QP (1). 1) Before and after voting for us your mind changes from ShiaoPi -> QP/Mordanis. None of those people have posted in this timeframe. This makes no sense because there is no reason for you to suddenly think QP/Mord are more likely mafia than ShisoPi is because none of those people have posted between when you changed your mind. You give no reasoning for this change of mind. It makes no sense from town perspective. 2) Your reasoning for voting us is in the first place bullshit because you do not even think about the motive behind Mocsta's actions. This means you are voting for us as policy, which in itself is fine. What's not fine is that you retract from the vote when you realize the lynch is not going through (after people disagree). This makes no sense from town perspective because policy lynch is a policy lynch and you keep your vote on the policy lynch if you do it in the first place. I really don't agree with any of Round's points save the part about the vote switch. I don't think it is rational for SS to switch from Shiao to Round to QP. It seems to me that SS is afraid to take a firm stance, but out of inexperience rather than scummy self-protection. I do however think that Round was desperately trying to get back into people's town list, and pressuring SS was the best way for him/them to accomplish that. So the scum claim made Round look scummier and SS look townier. On February 15 2014 11:21 VIVAX420 wrote: This game: Last scum game: there is a very clear difference in how shiaopi plays scum and town. It does not take a lot of meta research to see it. I've never seen someone more metable actually. I think shiaopi might be a better lynch than side. Another meta case, and this one lead to a mislynch. I'm gonna look at this in more detail in the morning, but I'm feeling that vivax is super scummy right now. Overall reads from catchup: SS - town vivax - scum bumatlarge - scum Round - null JJD - null iRobocop - annoying On February 16 2014 23:11 roundabound wrote: I find this particularly opportunistic, "read: scummy" to avoid commenting on.+ Show Spoiler + On February 16 2014 22:44 VIVAX420 wrote: mordanis - TOWN He is a super noob. Yes his cases are bad but newb scum would not be able to make those cases. if the cases are bad, why is it beyond a newb scum? You lump and categorise players too hard. Mordanis has a small filter: read 1 page. Lets do a post by post: NOT SPOILERED for your Benefit On February 13 2014 03:31 Mordanis wrote: Red: Noob Card with insult to town thrown in for good measure -> (/sarcasm) cos thats how town likes to correct actions they do not likeIt's been quite a while since I've played, so I was going to say that I seem to remember that the correct action at the beginning of a game is to yell at people and vote for people just for the hell of it, but I see all of this has already been accomplished. Clearly this much shenanigans could only be scum. brb gonna go write a wall of text case against everyone. Blue: First promise of "mega contribution" On February 13 2014 06:28 Mordanis wrote: No conclusion fluffI'm a little confused... Robik, are you really voting for thrawn for posting "hmmm", or is there more behind it? On a side note, I think its looking a bit sketchy that it seems like we already have a vote on thrawn (for "hmm") and vivax building a meta case on him for lurking a few hours into the game, it feels like teamwork or opportunistic scum play... On February 13 2014 06:36 Mordanis wrote: Theory ramble. NullI'm not sure I follow that argument. Is scum inherently lazy in your view, or does actual evidence always support town, rather than scum? I think its certainly possible that scum could find a previous game that could be used to lynch a townie. On February 13 2014 08:30 Mordanis wrote: Second promise of "mega contribution"Rob, you're clearly reading my filter without context. I wrote that after like 5 posts, and it was a joke intended for the couple (I think) of people I've played with before. You see, I had a reputation (especially from my newbie games) of only posting novella-length cases, and basically letting those do all of my talking. On February 13 2014 09:06 Mordanis wrote: Red: He is a self-proclaimed "novella-case" maker, yet is only producing glimmers of thoughts with no concrete substance.I've got to go to class for a while, but before I go, I just wanted to elaborate on my previous feelings. I think the abortive case had some momentum for a second against thrawn is very suspicious. The way Rob voted for Thrawn for lurking, and then !Hey Presto!, vivax comes in showing that thrawn is apparently well known for being lurky as scum, well it all seems very wrong. vivax backed down almost immediately, and Rob stayed the course until thrawn started talking. Now vivax left without any more reads after that. Rob did the *exact* opposite, posting a lot and picking up a read (based on thrawn's thoughts and a joke). Essentially what I'm trying to say here is that the behavior between the two of these definitely warrants more investigation. On vivax I really don't like the way that vivax posted fluff, gave someone else evidence to start a case, and then left it all alone for everyone else to take care of, and then disappeared right afterwards. And then there's this post: vivax goes from one hell of a scum read on thrawn (without really pushing anything) to one hell of a town read on Robik (without telling us why). In short, vivax seems incredibly confident about being right but hasn't really done anything useful aside from helping another player make a case. That seems like as much of a scum mindset as you can get. Bold Red: If this is a proven scum mindset, where is the vote? On February 13 2014 09:16 Mordanis wrote: Ironic fluff; considering he has scum reads with no vote...so rayn, If you're not voting for anyone right now, what are your best scum reads? On February 13 2014 23:53 Mordanis wrote: Offers insight on post phrasing for something insignificant; yet, can't reach vote-worthy conclusions on his own reads.Quite reasonably because "do you talk this much as scum" implies that you meant Rob was a town read. Robik didn't say "I talk a lot as town", but rather "I like forum mafia because I can make a ton of content". On February 13 2014 23:58 Mordanis wrote: Red: Apparently now isn't chasing Robik; but doesnt clear him as town either.....I'm not going after Robik at present. I felt something was off between the two that warranted further investigation, which has led me to believe that vivax is the scummier of the two. Right now, I'm not exactly feeling incredibly rushed to get a lynch in the next few hours, so I'm curious to see the way kush plays vivax. Blue: Not rushed to get a lynch, because waiting for others to do things- -- yet wont produce the mega contributions promised either. On February 14 2014 14:10 Mordanis wrote: Another excuse to not fulfil his own promiseHey, I just got back. If anyone has any questions for me, I'll be reading through for the next while. On February 14 2014 15:28 Mordanis wrote: Red:The case on Vivax is time-stamp conjecture summarised by cherrypicking "STUFF" that isnt even fleshed out for us simpletonsThe more I look at the early game, the worse vivax looks. vivax's meta case on thrawn came 3 hours in. A few minutes later, Robik asks vivax for a game where thrawn is town, and vivax doesn't post for the next ~half hour. then 3 minutes after thrawn explains his little move, there's vivax. To me, this comes across as vivax cherrypicking stuff to try to get a lynch early.[/erd] Hopefully more coming soon! Blue: 3rd promise of more contribution On February 14 2014 16:43 Mordanis wrote: An acceptable point of view. And a solid reason to be unsure of Mordanis alignment. Henceforth I treat this post as null until more flips are given.I thought this was apparent but I guess I have to explain this. The case on thrawn was the first case with anything to it. There were two people behind it, and it seemed like a mostly meta case (as I recall, Robik was much happier with his read after seeing the game vivax linked). The thing is, I don't know thrawn, or really anyone else well enough to make a meta case or even believe one without outside confirmation.So, I did what I can do, and thought about the posts and the order and such, to try to find scum through analysis. I thought (and still do) that, if there is a strong meta case against someone who has played many games on TL, there will be several games that will show this pattern, and multiple people will be able to verify that the meta case is reasonable. Why? Scum know who town is. Say Thrawn is town; its an entirely plausible contribution for scum to make (Against a weak/incorrect Vivax case). This is independant of Vivax alignment. On February 14 2014 16:54 Mordanis wrote: Why does this still matter. The game has progressed further; Vivax and his hydra buddy have made more content than pertains to just thrawn; yet mordanis is fixated here talking abotu absolutely nothing else YET NOT PROBING THEM TO ELUCIDATE MORE INFORMATION.As per my last post, could someone who knows thrawn let me know if this isa reasonable case or not? Vivax, mordanis is scum QED Please lynch, me falling asleep here. My only doubt is that everyone else in the thread ignored my post as well. Mordanis, please respond to my post above. Gumshoe The RB claim looks good to me. Lack of counter-claim; really low post count suggests potential blue lurking. The case on Mattchew looks good to me too. In particular: On February 19 2014 03:15 gumshoe wrote: This is Mattchews longest post. Heres what this post is saying line by line. 2: Says Moc is a jerk, thinks hes town cause reasons? to which I add: On February 16 2014 15:46 Mattchew wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: roundabound On February 17 2014 03:16 Mattchew wrote: then lynch me, this game is going no where On February 17 2014 04:23 thrawn2112 wrote: if you want the game to go somewhere then vote for who you want to lynch. you are currently voting for roundabound and you don't want to lynch him so you have no right to complain about anything being boring On February 17 2014 04:27 Mattchew wrote: The only reason he dropped his vote on us is because Thrawn queried him about his double standards.##unvote ##vote ShiaoPi This is certainly a solid lynch for today given his overall apathy for the game; and then sudden burst in play when a policy lynch opportunity came about. Rayn Calm down. I fully get what you are picking up on; and if Gumshoe was considered a decent player its definitely a scum slip. However, Gumshoe is known for "floating" and being "oblivious" as town, and dare I say this falls under that category. His explanation seemed plausible and regardless the RB makes sense in context of his play. Shame on you Kush + Grack for jumping onto Rayn for this. If anything this is quintissential town Rayn play and you two in particular should know better. A thought I am jotting down for consideration with more flips Why not RB Thrawn + shoot Thrawn? Obviously this is conjecture, but I am working with a theory that the GF exists ==> cop + doctor exist and scum went for a double blue hit. Now I get Rayn jumping over Gumshoe. What I don't get is this guy: On February 19 2014 03:53 sidesprang wrote: All game this guy hasnt looked for scum. Instead he looks for easy ways to vote people.Town wont, but mafia could know there is no possibility for Doc and Cop togheter. [red]Might actually be a legit scumslip. Policy on roundabound. Scumslip on Gumshoe. Theres zero content in his filter as evidenced" On February 13 2014 03:21 sidesprang wrote: How about Mocasta lynch? On February 15 2014 04:41 sidesprang wrote: Infact QP is prolly at least the lurker that reads the most scummy to me. On February 15 2014 05:08 sidesprang wrote: No I have no scumreads that I feel strongly enough to lynch. I am definitely comfortable with eradicating Sidesprang. The other guy standing out to me is Bum; mainly his lack of doing anything since his policy lynch failed on me. However, the fact that Mordanis is voting for Bum puts be at unease. This is moreso a finger of suspicion/reminder than anything. Overall, Mattchew is solid case and I support his lynch. ##Vote: Mattchew ##Vote: Mattchew | ||
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On February 19 2014 10:36 VIVAX420 wrote: my barbs are only toothless on the surface. honestly more rereading is necessary to be sure about round. I was just doing preliminary reaction testing on them and THEY FAILED. No kush You do this every game and I grow tired of it. Vote or fuck off because all you are doing now is distracting from the Matthew lynch. ~moc | ||
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On February 19 2014 10:43 VIVAX420 wrote: grack if you respect my opinion at all, and you should because we are very alike, you should unvote mattchew. yeah he doesn;t look super townie but he never does. he is lynch bait. Lynch bait suggests town. But u say he doesn't look townie What is it. Is he lynch bait, null or scum ~moc | ||
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On February 19 2014 10:56 VIVAX420 wrote: Mocsta, expain to me, in your own words, why you find Mattchew worthy of a quick lynch today,. That's an extremely scummy misconstrued depiction of events. I am not advocating a quick hammer. I am advocating a scum lynch. Frankly I see nothing wrong with 4 votes of 6. It is now genuine pressure to respond and if he is town and scum want to insta hammer then be my guest I already gave an addition to gumshoes case on Mattchew. As town in my experience Matthew pushes Ppl regardless of sentiment. E.g. Marv. Though he is a lurker by activity standards it is still transparent where he stands on key topics. This game is filled with apathy and overall I don't know where he stands. I agree with the case put forth ~moc | ||
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On February 19 2014 11:06 IAmRobik wrote: IF YOU GUYS DON'T UNVOTE MATTCHEW AND WE REACH IML, I'M JUST GOING TO START LYNCHING EVERY SINGLE PERSON ON HIM...IDC IF HE FLIPS MAF OR TOWN Get off your high horse. U haven't given a single reason why the votes are misplaced nor why they should be removed Then u ignore questions direcrly related to it. Explain thr above and i will give it consideration, until then there is no issue that i see. ~moc | ||
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On February 19 2014 11:11 Grackaroni wrote: I wouldn't be so sure. Without showing Rayn appeared heavily against the Mattchew lynch and now Mocsta is the polar opposite of Rayn accusing you of being mafia and distancing from Mattchew. I have never said i oppose the Mattchew lynch. Why would you think so? I said the opposite, i said i basically made the same case on D1, that's not opposing. I wanted people's opinions on the case. ~rayn | ||
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On February 19 2014 11:15 IAmRobik wrote: If you want to vote him later that's fine, but there are 4 votes on him and he hasn't spoken today iirc. 6 votes is maj. I explained my reasoning about it plenty of times. Again, you and rayn don't have to agree with my reads or reasoning, but having your vote in a place with the possibility for people to snap maj lynch without us knowing during the night is either super scummy, or just garbage play. This is where we disagree. Most likely this is an issue of forum pedigree vs live mafia pedigree. There is more accountability in forum play because of post history. What i am saying is. 4 votes is a good amount of pressure to gauge a genuine reaction from mattchew. U r effectively cock bloxking this by asking to remove votes. With your scenario if 2 ppl want to hammer mattchew without letting him speak... Well that is their acciuntability and we shall deal with it accordingly. In short we are in a position to assess people voting mattchew and to elicit a genuine response from mattchew. Win/win ~moc | ||
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I am personally leaning towards 3 scum being in Mattchew/sidesprang/Mordanis/bum/JJD. bumatlarge looks definitely best from those people, last game he had no balls to even counter my arguments against him as mafia, as town he attacked me pretty hard in NMM D1 because he felt like i said something scummy. While he is fucking wrong about the meta (that was really bad) i am not sure if it's mafia-esque. JJD looks the second best. He's putting effort to the game, while i don't like his conclusions i can see where he is coming from if he is town. I also like his vote on sidesprang who only goes after anything he can even say is lynchworthy and every time it gains no traction he fucking disappears and continues having no opinions. gumshoe's case on Mattchew is good. Mordanis keeps flip-flopping around with no real opinions at all. ~rayn | ||
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On February 19 2014 11:24 IAmRobik wrote: If we decide as a majority to lynch him today, that's fine...but like. It hasn't even been 24hrs and we are about to lynch someone that hasn't spoken. That's just badbadbad. I don't have the time right now to go into detail about those people, but I assure you that I will at some point either tonight or tomorrow. We spent 4 days trying to lynch someone on d1, but now that we have MORE INFORMATION, we are rushing to vote someone off before 24hrs pass. CMON. Just fucking unvote and let's analyze further and talk some more and figure out who the BEST VOTE is. Putting someone on L-2 has nothing to do with wanting to quickhammer someone. It's the pressure. If he is town scum can hammer him, and it won't even be a loss because he is playing against town wincon by being abosulutely useless and worthless to the town atm. I do not count on him making good decisions even if he is town. He needs to talk. And quick. Again, you avoided the question. Who do you want to lynch? You can't just say "don't lynch this guy" and not give an alternative. Make a case please. ~rayn | ||
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Vivax go read LXIV and how i pushed my lynch when people disagreed with it. I don't honeslty care anymore if people want to be fucking stupid and not read properly. I am not going to repeat my cases. In LXIV i voted bumatlarge every single fucking day after D1 after making a solid case on him, and got shot down every single fucking day. I just don't give a fuck if people don't want to listen.. Go read my case on sidesprang from D1, or go read Mocsta's case on Mordanis from N1. Those are the lynches we are supporting atm besides Mattchew, i am not going to repeat myself. I don't care how it looks, it's your fault if you don't read properly or disagree. ~rayn | ||
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I have noticed this game you refuse to take a firm position on anything. Instead you put out some musings and let others carry the work load for you This pattern is repeating again. Your argument is dumb. You are saying that because I find people in this game suspicious it is scummy to reassess votes. What I am doing is being accountable and constantly trying to solve the game. This is the polar opposite of your play. And your point about hydra difference of opinion is equally flawed. We both post freely and trust each other because there is nothing to hide. That u think it is an issue rayn and I don't share the same priority targets is a very weak argument. ~moc | ||
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On February 19 2014 11:32 VIVAX420 wrote: Explanation: Shiao in a position to be lynched, Rayn unwilling to defend him, but also unwilling to let loose of SS to keep up the scumhunting picture. Hence, post cases against his target without discussing the main lynch candidate. This is fucking crap because i was not here and Mocsta was so you can't even know what i would have or would not have done. I just told you, no i would have not defended him because he was scummy as fuck. But this comment from you is really shitty and twisting what really happened to look like something else. I am disappointed Vivax. ~rayn | ||
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Do u think a townie would ignore discussing my case when doing a thread summary? ~moc | ||
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On February 19 2014 11:48 roundabound wrote: This is fucking crap because i was not here and Mocsta was so you can't even know what i would have or would not have done. I just told you, no i would have not defended him because he was scummy as fuck. But this comment from you is really shitty and twisting what really happened to look like something else. I am disappointed Vivax. ~rayn +1 ~moc | ||
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On February 19 2014 12:23 VIVAX420 wrote: I'm hesitant to lynching when there are so many unknown alignments. Kush put the vote after I unvoted. Thrawn pretty much knew how to play IML. Lengthen the days, increase the time town has. You prefer to opt for quick lynches and get frustrated with no occurring lynches even when there are so many options for people being scum. Besides, you might want to get to the point with your made observations. Do you suspect me of being scum or is this just something you wrote as offensive defense. ~V This is not fucking true and you are twisting anything to look something else than it really is and now Vivax, i want to know why the hell are you doing this???? ~rayn | ||
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On February 19 2014 12:24 JarJarDrinks wrote: Rayn was like totally all over Irubik, making a ton of posts, calling him scum, and eventually voting for him. All I did was question a few of his posts. I mean, u really think it's scummy to have my first bunch of posts attack the 2 most active posters? What does the bolded part have to do with anything? Why would it be a town/scumtell to attack someone based on their quantity of posts? ~rayn | ||
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On February 19 2014 12:34 JarJarDrinks wrote: IDK, I'd think scum would attempt to pick on the weaker, lurkier players. If you acknowledge this isn't it natural to not use it to defend yourself instead of addressing the argument itself? ~rayn | ||
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On February 19 2014 12:23 VIVAX420 wrote: I'm hesitant to lynching when there are so many unknown alignments. Kush put the vote after I unvoted. Thrawn pretty much knew how to play IML. Lengthen the days, increase the time town has. You prefer to opt for quick lynches and get frustrated with no occurring lynches even when there are so many options for people being scum. Besides, you might want to get to the point with your made observations. Do you suspect me of being scum or is this just something you wrote as offensive defense. ~V This is a very poor ideology to hide behind and justify actions. Lengthened days are only worthwhile if meaningful contributions are being made. Cases discussed, votes analysed. Despite rayn and I best attempts to generate and foster this type of discussion, the thread transpired into a lurk fest. There is zero benefit to extending day 1 in particular with this type of environment. Everyone gets bored including die hard townies and vote analysis becomes excruciatingly difficult when the whole game doesn't care anymore. The above reads to me that you were content with nothing moving and if scum I don't blame you when town commonly thought you were town..... And I note the irony of your point about getting to the point. Tell me vivax. Were you planning conclude your own observation?? I.e. cross reference the shiaopi votes and my claim finding yourself, or do you expect others to do the leg work for you? ~moc | ||
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U posted the seal already. How do u get townier than that?? ~moc | ||
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On February 19 2014 13:49 Mordanis wrote: Hey Grack and Round (and anyone else who's around) How do you feel about bum? I'm concerned he hasn't posted anything meaningful in a while. Basically someone I'm paying attention to but not a priority on my list ~moc | ||
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There is only one flip and you are espousing the quality of scum reads.... Lol ~moc | ||
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It's YOU whose arguments are artificial and pure shit. Do you realize it's impossible to make any DETAILED analysis on people who have said nothing at all all game? I am not going to twist information into look like something it's not when there is nothing, that's what you do kush. Cut the crap already. ~rayn | ||
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Your depth is negative.... You dies a day1 case, yet since then there has been no new content Keep trying kush, I'm enjoying the laughs ~moc | ||
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Andppl have the audacity to question our towniness lol ~moc | ||
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On February 19 2014 22:26 VIVAX420 wrote: quality of your scumreads has nothing to do with how right htey are. everything to do with the reasons behind them. Lol so scumif correct Andscumif wrong Well done ~moc | ||
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On February 20 2014 00:23 roundabound wrote: Gongratulations, you have just called everyone in this game mafia in last 2 days. ~rayn Dont worry about them. When Kush wakes up he will realise all the *shite* filters he was reading were his own. ~moc | ||
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Grack what do you think? How sure are you JJD is scum? ~rayn | ||
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On February 20 2014 00:34 Grackaroni wrote: Not really sure. I'm fine with a Mattchew lynch. Game is hard. mattchew is good nothin robik or kush has said mitigates the case lets not have a repeat of the survivir game (i.e lynch koshi >>hf/kei) ~moc | ||
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On February 20 2014 00:38 Grackaroni wrote: I think what people complaining about ending the day quickly don't realize is that we could drag this on for 10 more days and have no more clue what to do. You get information when townies are motivated to post. No amount of time will change that. amen which is what happened day1.............. ~moc | ||
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how many wanks are u planning to max out on b4 giving up on masttchew? ~moc | ||
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On February 20 2014 00:59 IAmRobik wrote: This is a poor heuristic Robik.No shit it's ridiculous. That's why I screamed for like 5 posts about how everyone should unvote cause it was too damn close. But there were 4 votes on there and there are only 3 mafia in the game. So AT LEAST one town is on that list of people who are trying to quick-lynch, so it's not out of this realm to think it's roundabound. I'd also say that I think that mafia would be scared shitless to hammer that vote, which may be why it stalled out at 4. I'll look into that later. For now, I want to focus on this shiaopi vote from yesterday. There are a plethora of reasons why a hammer did not occur. Of highest degree of certainty: they were genuine pressure votes. Alternatively, a refined extension of your theory is that if scum wanted to hammer Matt, they were simply AFK which is how the game has gone start to finish so far. ~moc | ||
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On February 20 2014 00:58 VIVAX420 wrote: Rob They both are very active mafia. And both very active town. But keep on flipping the coin with only tails on it. ~moc | ||
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I am so fucking done with this shit game. ~rayn | ||
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Kush has been pressuring me so hard I can barely take a shit anymore nor sleep. I am constantly concerned about letting up my mafia guise; so, adiose. I am not officially retired from mafia for a while. Take care guise. ~moc | ||
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On February 20 2014 01:48 VIVAX420 wrote: @ Raynsta Rayn, why specifically matt over sidesprang whom you have been pushing since D1? ~V Because we are scum and both are mislynches. What don't you get about neither of us playing anymore. BH rules are we are entitled to lurk; so thats it for us. Carry on, but don't bother us cos we aint responding. ~moc | ||
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On February 20 2014 13:03 VIVAX420 wrote: we can lynch bum though. 1 refuses to give reasons behind his reads 2 his reaction to mocsta scumclaim was weird as fuck 3 expressed concerns about shiaopi, lynched him anyway, 1 applies to you equally 2 association read. Terrible. 3 u lynched shiaopi too. If bum was lynched its surely not for this garbage. ~marv | ||
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On February 20 2014 13:21 VIVAX420 wrote: 1 no i don't. i have given reasons for all my reads. he straight up refused to elaborate on a one liner. To say the two are equal is an obvious misrepresentation. 2 not an association read. regardless of your alignment, he acted weird as fuck. 3 but i never expressed doubts about it 1. No you have not 2. Weird does not equivocate scum 3. Why would u jump off a mislynch as scum. As town you now have no credibility of your reads ~someone | ||
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On February 20 2014 13:31 Grackaroni wrote: That is without a real case aside from "I'm kush - I own Mocsta. kill kill kill" Yet his case started on rayn Later he changes it to moc with zero insight ~host | ||
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I am also angry because noone cares shit about this game. So let's just lynch matt/ss/mord and get over with it? That's what i am suggesting. ~rayn | ||
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I also know i wanted to lynch sidesprang on D1, and i still do, i just am not sure if it's the best case for today as noone (even Mocsta - as he settled on ShiaoPi after i left) agreed with me on D1. So here is where i stand. I don't want to lynch JJD. I am okay with sidesprang, but i still prefer Mattchew. What do you think of Mordanis, where is he on your scumdar? He is another possibility and tbh i don't want to lynch anyone but one of those three ppl today. ~rayn | ||
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On February 21 2014 04:59 IAmRobik wrote: Do you have a bot that pings you every time "JJD" is written in the thread? (Full Serious) I, Mocsta, want to nominate Rob for a "Funniest Post" Mafia 2014 award for this. In isolation its a generic comment; but in context of the full game this made me chuckle profusely. ~moc | ||
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On February 21 2014 06:56 IAmRobik wrote: How the tables turn.gumshoe...your absence bothered me as well as the fact that I still think mattchew is town...regardless of his activity. I'll reiterate that I can be wrong here...but that's just my intuition. I'm totally down with Vivax420's plan of waiting until everyone gets modkilled. If we end up losing, I won't feel bad. If we get mafia modkilled, that would be awesome and we can read him and figure stuff out and move onto another suspect. If it ends up with 1 town modkilled, well at least we have more info and we don't have to waste a lynch on him and again, can move onto another suspect. (Full Seriousness) I am nominating this post for "Worst Plan" Mafia 2014. I can not believe you are relying on gaming the host to win this game. BH rules are clear that if you dont want to post, dont post. QP got away with 5 days of not posting. You admit you are bored. What you are advocating now, is a plan to ensure that the rest of the game will be equally bored. Ridiculous. Pull ya finger out. ~moc | ||
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On February 20 2014 00:39 roundabound wrote: robik how many wanks are u planning to max out on b4 giving up on masttchew? ~moc On February 20 2014 00:44 IAmRobik wrote: dude. I'm so red raw now. Hands numb too...I'm almost there actually. *snip* | ||
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Or day2 lynch and hope the mod kills come in by day. The only guy that I think is in mod kill zone is side sprang??? Everyone else has posted somewhat this cycle right? Maybs mattchew fits even though he has posted. Hhmmm | ||
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On February 21 2014 14:22 bumatlarge wrote: Those two you quoted are both calling him scummy. You probably should read them again. You can be transparent scum. I'm going with dumb Rb holds up and hasn't been countered ~moc | ||
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Chew is ASKING to be lynched... Settle this already This is the worst game of mafia played ever and certainly not in the spirit of IML. ~moc | ||
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On February 22 2014 08:25 Grackaroni wrote: Why are you voting yourself? Mattchew set a precedent Clearly this behaviour is acceptable to the host So I am copying. | ||
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On February 22 2014 08:27 Grackaroni wrote: lol I'm just going to assume butt-hurt scum. No I'm proving a point that exists outside this game. Do what u want. 1hr expired. | ||
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Chew IAR vivax scum Its now making sense why IAR and vivax have been so hesitant without actively pursuing genuine alternatives Well played IAR ##unvote ##vote: iamrobik | ||
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U posted the seal. Trolling would be to call YOU scum ~moc | ||
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Tried way too hard to get credit for DAT flip Sigh Grack u disappoint son ~moc | ||
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On February 22 2014 14:43 Grackaroni wrote: he's fucking with you. I wish this was true But IAR made me red raw Can't farquad, sorry. Grack, u disappoint me son | ||
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On February 22 2014 14:46 Grackaroni wrote: Yep he's super scummy. (I say this because if I'm wrong and they flip town I can just blame them afterwards) U ain't going to do a championship strategy Where post game u quote where u got the whole scum team but didn't get the lynches???? | ||
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On February 22 2014 14:52 VIVAX420 wrote: Mocsta explain to me how I'm scum if he flips scum and I'm scum if he flips town, cause you said both respectively pre- and post-lynch. Pretty simple Being scum is independent of matt's alignment. Its to do with the role pm the host went you Regardless you guys are solved by the differences in play between you and vivax Vivax agenda this game has been to grind the game to a halt whilst producing nothing meaningful as an outcome He's at fault for the 3 town mod kills as far as I am concerned. Well played scum strat, but u have Been found. | ||
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On February 22 2014 14:53 VIVAX420 wrote: Why not directly call me out for discussing alternatives instead of quick hammering if it's scummy in any case? Oh wait, cause it's actually pro-town. Ppfft Actions aren't scummy its the motives that make it scummy U should a played back to basics, girl. | ||
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On February 22 2014 14:56 VIVAX420 wrote: round i thought you forfeited you said? so stop talking? So u can win by another mod kill No thanks | ||
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On February 22 2014 14:58 Grackaroni wrote: Actually I thought about it Roundabound is definitely scum. Should a voted me off scum | ||
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On February 22 2014 15:02 Grackaroni wrote: All town vote for Roundabound tomorrow. He's having way too much fun right now. Boo hop WWhat an obtuse line of reasoning Forfeit =fun yes Well done, son | ||
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On February 22 2014 15:16 Grackaroni wrote: IML is fine. It's the never-ending deadline in a game filled with lurkers. Concur | ||
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On February 22 2014 21:42 IAmRobik wrote: vivax is 10000000000% town. if you think otherwise you're so stoooopid Says his partner IAR vivax mordanis scum Locked in Well played If mord flips scum, vivax is confirmed scum based on how they ignored my mord case. | ||
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On February 22 2014 22:16 VIVAX420 wrote: Bring the quote for what you claim. Or make a case altogether, more productive than the provocative little posts you try to make. N vice versa. | ||
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On February 22 2014 22:16 VIVAX420 wrote: Bring the quote for what you claim. . U do realise how stupid this assertion is right? I'm claiming u ignored my mord case. Of course there is no quote to produce. Stop wasting my time, scum. | ||
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IAR, there is no pride in this win. We were going to forfeit. As a townie u did half ur half - to look town. But u tried to be a leader, and then failed to lead. Better luck next time | ||
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I didn't think I was getting lynched next cycle but meh. I think u were lynchable so meh. I'm happy the game is over and the scum claim did what I intended it to do. Balance is restored. Ciao | ||
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On February 23 2014 11:15 Grackaroni wrote: What was the deal with that RB anyway? Who's idea was it/was it intentional? Was mine to give town credit to our two lurkers. Its in the qt Rb was in all setups so didn't give any information away and would be assumed as confirmed town | ||
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On February 23 2014 13:03 Vivax wrote: Didn't work against the towns I used to play against. Not sure if that's a dig at town or yaself lol | ||
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Town imploded because of lurking and inability to recognise scum play. I made a. Genuine case on mordanis. It was a damn good case and it was ignored. Further mordanis just brushed it off and everyone accepted that as OK. Ohh well. I think iml can work, but a time limit needs to be imposed. I also think its not fair to other players to allow low activityin an iindefinite time limit game. | ||
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