Normal Mini Mafia: Episode I

On January 19 2014 10:56 DarthPunk wrote:
Ok we are full game starts tomorrow at 1100 AEDST

On January 20 2014 09:07 Crossfire99 wrote:
Hi guys. I've got a thought for you. What do you think of having all our Boxers claim right now? I think it limits scum's options. I mean we have a 50% chance of having more than 1 Boxer and we are almost guaranteed to have 1. It prevents shenannies by scum claiming later and scum would be put into a difficult position now by claiming. Thoughts?

P.S. Don't claim yet, Boxers. This only works if everybody agrees. No claim strategy should be done partway because that is always the worst option.

On January 20 2014 09:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
rofl. I am the guy who outed our scumteam that one game.
Weak DarthPunk, so weak.

On January 20 2014 09:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
How about we just find mafia and lynch them regardless of what they try to claim?

On January 20 2014 09:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:

So your "most pro-town course" is that regardless of one's actions we should not lynch them if they claim blue.
That's not pro-town at all.

On January 20 2014 09:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I found it ironic that my "name" is Z-Boson, the dude who outed my scumteam by posting our scum QT in thread in one game.

On January 20 2014 09:23 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hi guys. I'm town. Kush's plan is stupid. I'm KINDA okay with Boxers claiming. It certainly forces scum into an uncomfortable position of choosing now whether to fake-claim it.

On January 20 2014 09:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why would you as town want to postpone mafia lynch?

On January 20 2014 09:40 Balla24 wrote:
Kush the thing is that it's literally no different than any other game right?

Like if you are blue obviously you're going to claim before getting lynched, and town can either believe you or not. If you're scum and you claim blue before getting lynched then you get CC'ed or not. If you get CC'ed then you either get lynched or your CC gets lynched. You won't postpone in that case.

If whoever is about to get lynched ends up being uncc'ed THEN you postpone the lynch. But there's nothing different than any other games? What makes your plan special?

On January 20 2014 22:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:

But you just called him scum because he is wrong on you?

On January 20 2014 22:47 VisceraEyes wrote:
Kish I'm open to suggestions. If you think someone is a better lynch then convince me. Its called playing Mafia! :D

On January 20 2014 22:52 VisceraEyes wrote:
Kish look me in the balls and tell me you don't think that as town if I don't believe a claim that I wouldn't vote for it if I think it is scum.

It is not dumb for scum to claim Named VT, they are supposed to claim SOMETHING other than Mafia, yes?

On January 20 2014 23:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
They won't get tucked by counterclaims because a counterclaim doesn't mean anything as there can be more than one Boxer. So there aren't going to be any counterclaims. So when is this magical moment when we suddenly know who all the boxers are Kish?

On January 20 2014 23:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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kushmasta, we are in LYLO. We have 2x Named VT claims and a parity cop claim and a doctor claim. Who is scum of the claims?

On January 20 2014 23:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What makes you think mafia will not make it "the most difficult scenario" for us?

On January 20 2014 23:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You have literally disagreed with every single thing VE has said in this game, how is it possible for you to have a town read on him?

On January 21 2014 02:49 suki wrote:


For the record I don't think bumatlarge is scum at this point.

On January 21 2014 03:25 suki wrote:


Because Rayn is tunneling him and twisting his words and I think it's unproductive.

On January 21 2014 04:55 thrawn2112 wrote:
kush why were you so serious about mechanics for so long, why did you give a fuck?

On January 21 2014 06:32 zarepath wrote:


Yes, since it's completely unreasonable for you to have to defend yourself against scum suspicions, right? Any town that would do that DESERVES to lose!

On January 20 2014 18:33 bumatlarge wrote:

I disagree, the only reason you think it's reasonable is because he is holding back because he probably wrong about you. I'm just working out what I can remember from VE if he posts like this as town.

On January 21 2014 07:52 JonnyLaw wrote:
##unvote
##vote kushmasta


I think kush is scum. I think balla is scum. I think kush put a bus vote on balla and got an easy out when I said something. No one else will vote balla. Lynch kush.

On January 21 2014 07:54 kushm4sta wrote:
jl is tdtbs

On January 21 2014 08:10 JonnyLaw wrote:
Because I think you're pushing way too hard on your scum slip claim.

I don't know what to think of you kush. Anyway until someone makes a better case than what we have at the moment I'm leaving my vote on you.

what's tdtbs btw?

On January 21 2014 08:10 JonnyLaw wrote:
I don't know what to think of you kush.

On January 21 2014 10:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
There are some things town!kush is just incapable of doing. Thinking hard about what someone said is one of them.

On January 21 2014 10:51 thrawn2112 wrote:
rayn it's not as in depth as you're making it out to be, AND it's assuming that BUM is town

On January 21 2014 11:05 BarristanTheBold wrote:
kush:

RE bum - There's not any one thing that actually makes me not interested in him right now, but more of his attitude. It's pretty ballsy to OMGUS one (rayn) and straight out attack another (VE) of the "best" players in the game if you're (relatively?) new at scum. He's got a carefree attitude that I only attribute to the best of scum players, and almost certainly not newbie scum.

On January 21 2014 10:55 kushm4sta wrote:
@thrawn do you think it's a fair assessment to say that you aren't really trying this game?

On January 21 2014 11:19 thrawn2112 wrote:


What I'm getting from this is that you can't answer this question?

"Do you have any other reasons for calling him mafia?"

Saying "I see absolutely nothing in his filter that looks town to me" + "scumslip" = "my earlier opinion is irrelevant"

is a way of avoiding what I asked you.

"it was very easy to jump on"

scumslips, hmmm?

On January 21 2014 11:25 thrawn2112 wrote:


Yeah i misread that.

But you still can't tell me why bum is mafia besides saying "SCUMSLIP!"

On January 21 2014 11:27 thrawn2112 wrote:
lol this is fucking annyoing, i feel like i'm only capable of convincing kush of his scumminess because part of my read on him is based on how we each know how well I can read him

On January 21 2014 11:51 bumatlarge wrote:


Oh look, the thread analyzed how I worded something for the past 5 pages. In fact, I'm out of words. I honestly don't know what to say.

On January 21 2014 11:47 thrawn2112 wrote:
I'm not sure how else to say this:

Kush doesn't have thoughts about the game. He's not scumhunting. He doesn't appear suspicious of the rest of other players. He started out by giving town reads with no justifications. He can't justify his scumread beyond repeating "scumslip" over and over.

Every response he's made to me has been some shitty excuse for why he doesn't actually need to read his top scumread's filter and have a conversation with me about it.

He can't scumhunt! He is mafia.

On January 21 2014 11:53 thrawn2112 wrote:
i mean pretend kush is town

he has a weak town read on bum.... reads the "scumslip" and then he thinkgs "bum is so scummy because of this scumslip that it's going to be the only thing i tell the thread to convince them to lynch my scum read. i am super confident etc etc etc"

so if kush is town then at this point he'd be confirmation biased, bum's alignment notwithstanding. so how can a confirmation biased townie say the bolded?



how can a confirmation biased townie only be able to come up with one point against his scumread, especially it with it being a point as debatable as the scumslip?

On January 21 2014 06:32 zarepath wrote:


Yes, since it's completely unreasonable for you to have to defend yourself against scum suspicions, right? Any town that would do that DESERVES to lose!

On January 21 2014 12:44 thrawn2112 wrote:
bum what's your flavor name

On January 21 2014 09:53 zarepath wrote:
and my analysis was more in-depth than essentially every argument leading up to a vote in this thread.

On January 21 2014 12:52 thrawn2112 wrote:
So you bum voters think he casually fake-claimed named vt?

On January 21 2014 13:12 Crossfire99 wrote:

cause I did a bunch of work and didn't feel like posting nothing after reading about kush for however long i did. I also figured it would be helpful in case people wanted to see my thoughts on kush since he seemed to be a hot topic (well at least you constantly pushed him)

On January 21 2014 14:18 bumatlarge wrote:
##unvote

You win. I'm not going to pursue this charade if no one else finds it worth while.

On January 21 2014 22:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
EBWOP:
Like if he is town, he really thinks his points against VE make him mafia (at least thought so), and he can explain the logic behind them.

It's easy to attack someone for being obviously contradictory without actually calling them scummy, and that's what he did

On January 21 2014 03:46 zarepath wrote:
I am thinking VE is scummy based off of a few things:

1. Lots of early discussion about the two plans
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2. Immediate attack on Wiley for blue claiming
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3. Defensive tone

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4. Wishy-washy demeanor

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5. Wants others to discuss things, not himself

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6. "Giving up" on his Wiley scum read and switching to a more convenient target

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VE is scummy in tone, content, and voting patterns, and my top scum read now.

##Vote VisceraEyes

On January 22 2014 00:06 suki wrote:
kush just saying Zarepath's points 3, 4 and 5 really sound like he tried to find any quote from VE that fit the description and post it.

It sounds like he's really stretching to label VE as scummy and that's not a townie thing to do.

On January 22 2014 00:44 suki wrote:
Not according to webster :p But I'm just bugging you.

On January 22 2014 01:39 BarristanTheBold wrote:
Yo, zare:





So basically what you're saying is that you're not a real townie?

On January 22 2014 06:18 thrawn2112 wrote:
yeah that's my role except for the flavor name

On January 22 2014 06:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
ugh.. i have no idea what to do.

On January 22 2014 07:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
The idea is that you prove why you're town. Your antagonistic tone implies you're not.

On January 22 2014 07:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:

so are you claiming named VT?
or what the fuck are you saying?

On January 22 2014 07:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Who do you actually think is scum right now?

On January 21 2014 17:09 Balla24 wrote:
I don't like Crossfire at all.

His case on Rayn is super weird, where exactly does what rayn does make him scum? He's pressuring a lot of people with cases and votes. Crossfire is calling him scum for not committing to them and switching targets a lot but how does that make rayn scum?? It doesn't. It makes him town. From town perspective everybody starts as neutral and either gets a mafia read or a town read... its the opposite as scum.

Rayn builds cases on people he thinks are scum, and posts reasoning too, yet Crossfire just latches onto the action itself and NOT the reasoning of rayn's cases. Rayn is one of the most active people in this game, why does Crossfire feel the need to pressure rayn about something so weak?

Then there's this:



Where rayn points out why claiming Boxers is a bad thing for town and a good thing for mafia. He essentially brushes that off by saying "mafia already knows information about the setup" without really explaining what. Rayn gives him the courtesy to write out his expected outcomes from the plan but Crossfire does not reciprocate.

##vote Crossfire99

On January 22 2014 02:31 Balla24 wrote:
Past 2 days have been busier than normal. Can't refresh and spam conversations with people like I normally do which is unfortunate. It's looking a lot better moving forward though.

As far as Crossfire: His case against rayn is bad and really construed, its very large but the only thing he is attacking is the fact that rayn has jumped around a lot. Like it doesn't make sense to put that much effort into that first off, and secondly why does he feel the need to pressure rayn of all people who is active as hell and will be more readable because of it. It just feels very wrong. The second bit about the Boxers claiming thing is obvious that there is scum motivation for discussing it and getting the town onboard. So him brushing off what was said is super suspicious.

Other people who look bad: Jonnylaw, Artanis. Artanis's game plan is really weird and underwhelming to me. He comes in trying to hard read rayn, accuses him of being scum and then leaves. Not only did he only accuse you of being scum because he thinks you have "something to hide" but you had done so much already and now that there was more.

On January 22 2014 07:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hi guys, dinner is keeping me away from the thread. wtf 10 pages in 2 hours?

I can't read it all in time. I'll read it all after the flip.

On January 22 2014 08:14 JonnyLaw wrote:
I called that all fucking game.

all I gotta say.

Kush scum too.

I'll make the case shortly. Grabbing a beer now.

On January 22 2014 08:20 bumatlarge wrote:
You wanna talk slips Kush?



Let's talk slips. Because you were town before you knew your role, right?

Next scum I would say is Kush, unless you willing to have long chat with Rayn and answer every question he comes up with?

On January 23 2014 07:57 BarristanTheBold wrote:
There is a very, very, VERY slim chance that Crossfire and balla were double bussing each other. In any case, there is absolutely no reason for us to be voting Crossfire tomorrow, or even the day after that. If he's still alive at LYLO/MYLO, then we can reevaluate, but for now he's all but confirmed town.

On January 23 2014 08:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Not really. Rayn himself said they aren't exactly contradictory. Also, if we're talking meta, I bussed the shit out of my teammates the last two games. Why are you cherry picking what you think makes me scum? Inactivity is not alignment indicative.

On January 24 2014 07:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

So you're saying JL is scum, correct? Why then did you push Kush to determine whether JL is scum or not? It's not like the lynch hinges on kush right now. He seems pretty destined for the noose at the moment.

On January 24 2014 07:59 thrawn2112 wrote:
yeah just from evidence alone i dont know how i can not vote johnny. at the very least i can 100% commit to lynching him if he doesn't come back

also he was the person who wanted to kill zare out of fairness right? i can't shake how obvuiously scummy that is, i dont think scum would try to get zre killed tht way that if they thought a townie broke rules and dwserved to die... maybe just be silent and vent through PMs or scum chat?

On January 24 2014 11:32 thrawn2112 wrote:
##unvote

kush you remember why you thought barriston was town?

On January 21 2014 09:14 BarristanTheBold wrote:

TL;DR Zarepath made a convenient case parroting other people's points about VE as soon as thread sentiment starting turning towards VE and has done nothing but tunnel him with very little actual analysis or attempt to figure the game out, which is completely the opposite of how zarepath played as town in the past. He be scum, yo.

On January 24 2014 12:00 thrawn2112 wrote:
so when i told artanis to unvote you and vote for balla he was mafia and told me no?

On January 24 2014 12:13 thrawn2112 wrote:
I'm saying that scum artanis would have had to sit there watching a last minute wagon form on scumballa and not buss, not even when asked to

On January 24 2014 12:13 thrawn2112 wrote:
I'm saying that scum artanis would have had to sit there watching a last minute wagon form on scumballa and not buss, not even when asked to

On January 25 2014 02:59 zarepath wrote:


Okay, well, did it seem scummy at all to you, or am I just getting too much into semantics?

On January 25 2014 03:17 VisceraEyes wrote:

I've been trying all effing game Kush, you just haven't been listening because you're all "I'm right lolololol"

On January 25 2014 03:31 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I'll stop being pissed off when people stop making dumb arguments. Bussing Xatalos was not a conscious decision. It started as a distancing attempt and it went too far because once I bus I can't stop. Perfect information screws with me and I doubt it's something I could just turn off. Also, how is Rayn an easy target? I spent half of Day 1 attacking him until I got a good read on him. Your meta case makes no sense.

On January 25 2014 03:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

It's not shitty, he's scum because he's been chasing scum objectives; distancing himself from balla whilst not actually trying to convince people to lynch him, then as soon as it happens tries to claim towncred for it. The contradictions just seal the deal on an already obvious scum.

On January 25 2014 03:38 thrawn2112 wrote:


as long as it's artanis > JL i'd rather stay

On January 22 2014 07:55 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I'm okay with a Balla lynch too, but still prefer a Kush lynch. Just scrolled through his filter and he hasn't done anything. I remember him doing great in his latest newbie game and he hasn't really done anything here. Inactivity can have multiple reasons though. I much prefer Kush because he's actually been here a lot and still has a shit filter.

On January 22 2014 07:55 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I'm okay with a Balla lynch too, but still prefer a Kush lynch. Just scrolled through his filter and he hasn't done anything. I remember him doing great in his latest newbie game and he hasn't really done anything here. Inactivity can have multiple reasons though. I much prefer Kush because he's actually been here a lot and still has a shit filter.

On January 22 2014 07:55 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I'm okay with a Balla lynch too, but still prefer a Kush lynch. Just scrolled through his filter and he hasn't done anything. I remember him doing great in his latest newbie game and he hasn't really done anything here. Inactivity can have multiple reasons though. I much prefer Kush because he's actually been here a lot and still has a shit filter.

Just scrolled through his filter and he hasn't done anything. I remember him doing great in his latest newbie game and he hasn't really done anything here. Inactivity can have multiple reasons though. I much prefer Kush because he's actually been here a lot and still has a shit filter.

On January 25 2014 03:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Kush if you thought it was so scummy why did you never push me? Why are you coming back to it only now?
And yes you usually have a shit filter but even then you usually have some form of contribution to add. You don't this game.

On January 25 2014 03:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I thought so too but you've been very busy this game to prove that wrong and I'm far from certain on that read now.