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Oatsmaster
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Seriously that was some stupid shit. | ||
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thrawn2112
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I know that he went to Oats last cycle to to have a talk about thrawn (remember this interaction later, when i quote bum's read on Oats) [21:51] <bum> hello oats [21:51] <Oatsmaster> yo [21:51] <bum> i think we need to have a chat with thrawn [21:51] <Oatsmaster> yes [21:51] <bum> er [21:51] <bum> about thrawn then there's this post On February 07 2014 03:36 bumatlarge wrote: Whelp go figure. If I die, don't just lynch slam, lynch who you think is mafia. The explode the world theory doesn't check out like BC hoped it would. If the game ends with everyone dead, mafia wins. I would go with Slam>thrawn>oats, but I've barely looked into your posts, this all just gut feeling. BC said to lynch slam, and hatter is easy to claim, and very difficult to lynch. Slam not saying where is bombs are is pretty town though, bit it's slam so who knows. I already told him he can't win by lynching himself unless his bomb is exactly on mafia . Thrawn has been talking with mocsta the entire game, and I find it hard to believe how trusting he was of mocsta. They did have different reads on me, which seems awkward when mocsta pushed me so hard. That's really the only reason I have thrawn over oats. Oats is pretty null, I've only talked to him a few times. Tomorrow, cases need to be built and clear intuitive reads need to be made. We can win, but it just matters how hard the two townies want to win over the last scum. Good luck! which is similar to all of bum's other posts in that it gives you no clear idea of what he actually thinks about the game. his preferred lynch order was slam>thrawn>oats. he says that if slam is hatter, then BC's plan wont work and mafia will win if everyone dies. so from bum's point of view, with this knowledge about how lynching the hatter will lose the game for town, that means that bum CAN'T have slam as his first lynch preference unless he thinks slam is mafia. But does he think slam is mafia? "BC said to lynch slam, and hatter is easy to claim, and very difficult to lynch. Slam not saying where is bombs are is pretty town though, bit it's slam so who knows." So Slam is bum's top lynch choice... but not his top scumread? That is the impression I get from that post. But bum admits that if slam is hatter it's probably a bad idea to lynch him. But he can't decide if slam is town or mafia. So why is slam his top lynch candidate? So after reading that I have absolutely NO idea if bum thought slam was mafia. It's all nonsense that doesn't add up to an actual read. Then comes his reads on Oats/thrawn where he says thrawn is scummy for hilarious reasoning, and oats is somehow null. Bum we are in lylo and there is no way that you can reach this stage of the game with a null read on somebody. If bum is scum he probably didn't feel like it was so important to assign a definitive read to the player he's about to night kill. How convenient is it that the only 2 players he will commit to reading (and yes, "commit" is a stretch in this case) are the players that end up being the ones remaining in the game? It's even more suspect considering that he has thrawn as scummier than "null" Oats, after he approached Oats during the last cycle and talk to him about thrawn being scum. Here are the logs of that convo: http://tny.cz/156c72a4 Based on how he talks to Oats there, and everything about bum's recent reads that I've just pointed out, does it look like bum is talking to his null read Oats? Or that he is scum and trying to set up his lylo victory mislynch? Everything adds up to bum being mafia. He can't talk about reads and he's done nothing the entire game. He is somehow comfortable with hammering almost every single lynch while admittedly feeling confused and/or that he's not up to speed with the going-on's of the game. | ||
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thrawn2112
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Aquanim
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Not Voting: bumatlarge, Thrawn2112, Oatsmaster With 3 players remaining, 2 votes are required to lynch. Please PM if there are any errors | ||
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Oatsmaster
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Oatsmaster
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+ Show Spoiler + bumatlarge hi  Oatsmaster man Oatsmaster what hte fuck was that kill bum 10:30 Oatsmaster why didnt you just kill rayn and go to your death peacefully bumatlarge you were the one who shot it probably bumatlarge well let me guess Oatsmaster lol I would shoot rayn 100% bumatlarge why wouldnt rayn die bumatlarge hmmmm bumatlarge piece that together oats Oatsmaster hm? Oatsmaster i would shoot rayn so BC dies bumatlarge no wonder the kills have been so awful bumatlarge to be honest i did not think of that bumatlarge ITS SO SIMPLE bumatlarge anyway rayn is mafia bumatlarge but thrawn is probably not the partner bumatlarge its either you slam or mocsta Oatsmaster thrawn is not the partner Oatsmaster nah the kills have been alright bumatlarge so we agree on thrawn Oatsmaster uh bumatlarge what about mocsta bumatlarge are you up to date? bumatlarge oh you just got here bumatlarge my bad bumatlarge you shoul talk to thrawn Oatsmaster uh Oatsmaster what about mocsta> Oatsmaster i am talking to thrawn | ||
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Oatsmaster
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I still have no idea why bum/thrawn would kill alak though. Like why not gamble with the bombs man. Actually it makes more sense for scum to be thrawn because he knows I think bum is scummier than him so Ill lynch bum. | ||
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Oatsmaster
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thrawn2112
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On February 07 2014 12:44 Oatsmaster wrote: Actually it makes more sense for scum to be thrawn because he knows I think bum is scummier than him so Ill lynch bum. ..... and you think thrawn is scummier than bum, so it also makes sense for scum bum to kill slam. see? also according to bum's last post before deadline, he is null reading you. how can he possibly have a null read on somebody at this stage of the game... | ||
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Oatsmaster
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Balla24
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bumatlarge(1): Oatsmaster Not Voting: bumatlarge, Thrawn2112 With 3 players remaining, 2 votes are required to lynch. Please PM if there are any errors | ||
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thrawn2112
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watch me sit here and not vote | ||
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Oatsmaster
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Thanks thrawn, such a baller. | ||
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Oatsmaster
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On February 07 2014 14:41 bumatlarge wrote: Thanks for making it easy for me oats, post coming up shortly. Sorry thrawn to put all the pressure on you why do you even need a case? Shouldnt you be really happy you win the game? | ||
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Oatsmaster
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bumatlarge
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Have my children... or have this post. I think you are stretching little things very far thrawn... On February 07 2014 11:54 thrawn2112 wrote: i'm gonna talk about bum for a bit I know that he went to Oats last cycle to to have a talk about thrawn (remember this interaction later, when i quote bum's read on Oats) [21:51] <bum> hello oats [21:51] <Oatsmaster> yo [21:51] <bum> i think we need to have a chat with thrawn [21:51] <Oatsmaster> yes [21:51] <bum> er [21:51] <bum> about thrawn If you read the entire conversation, I assumed oats was the vig. I PMed him and spoke to him in the thread. He was confused yet still responded in the same manner that I did, assuming I was the vig. This made you the odd man out with slam for a brief portion of the conversation. then there's this post which is similar to all of bum's other posts in that it gives you no clear idea of what he actually thinks about the game. his preferred lynch order was slam>thrawn>oats. he says that if slam is hatter, then BC's plan wont work and mafia will win if everyone dies. so from bum's point of view, with this knowledge about how lynching the hatter will lose the game for town, that means that bum CAN'T have slam as his first lynch preference unless he thinks slam is mafia. But does he think slam is mafia? "BC said to lynch slam, and hatter is easy to claim, and very difficult to lynch. Slam not saying where is bombs are is pretty town though, bit it's slam so who knows." So Slam is bum's top lynch choice... but not his top scumread? That is the impression I get from that post. But bum admits that if slam is hatter it's probably a bad idea to lynch him. But he can't decide if slam is town or mafia. So why is slam his top lynch candidate? Of course slam is my top scum read, what would tell you anything different about what I said. Just because I am actively trying to figure out why he would be doing what he is doing as town. I specifically said Slam>thrawn.oats. Don't make me out to be a jackass here. So after reading that I have absolutely NO idea if bum thought slam was mafia. It's all nonsense that doesn't add up to an actual read. Then comes his reads on Oats/thrawn where he says thrawn is scummy for hilarious reasoning, and oats is somehow null. Bum we are in lylo and there is no way that you can reach this stage of the game with a null read on somebody. I'll get to you in a moment, I find it funny that you ignore them as "hilarious". Hilarious is a strong word to define something you give no counterpoint to. Oats is a null read in as far as I have not talked with him outside of yesterday, and I haven't seen anything alignment indicative from what he has posted in the thread. If bum is scum he probably didn't feel like it was so important to assign a definitive read to the player he's about to night kill. How convenient is it that the only 2 players he will commit to reading (and yes, "commit" is a stretch in this case) are the players that end up being the ones remaining in the game? It's even more suspect considering that he has thrawn as scummier than "null" Oats, after he approached Oats during the last cycle and talk to him about thrawn being scum. Here are the logs of that convo: How can you say my read on slam wasn't definitive when I specifically put him first. You are misinterpreting this part, "don't just lynch slam, lynch who you think is mafia." It clearly means that we shouln't lynch slam if you don't think hes mafia, because it won't draw/win the game. http://tny.cz/156c72a4 Based on how he talks to Oats there, and everything about bum's recent reads that I've just pointed out, does it look like bum is talking to his null read Oats? Or that he is scum and trying to set up his lylo victory mislynch? At this point he isn't my null read, its me trying to see if he is the vigilante or not. After he says he isn't, I am more neutral towards him. We are both intent on locating the vig we think is still in the game. The suspicion immediately turns on when we realize we are both not the vig. Everything adds up to bum being mafia. He can't talk about reads and he's done nothing the entire game. He is somehow comfortable with hammering almost every single lynch while admittedly feeling confused and/or that he's not up to speed with the going-on's of the game. This has been covered, and you were the one who asked me one on one all these questions. My reads are clear here, it's just bad that slam was the one killed here. I know I've hammered lynches but I can't really have all the blame put on to me. The only townies I hammered were grack, who told me he was a hatter, which was a town lie... and rayn, who you had spent a good hour talking about in IRC and I was convinced you were right. On top of that, the double RB claims lent himself to the lynch. None of the votes I've laid down were without reason. You know I thought balla was scum, I have the PMs with him that I posted in the thread, I can find those. I voted mocsta for obvious reasons. You of all people saw what he did. I cannot believe you really think he and I can be on the same team... After I ran for mayor, and you voted for me, I took a gut read at face value. After the second person, coag flipped scum, I felt much worse. After all the IRC chats with you and mocsta, I was fairly suspicious of both of you, mocsta for tunneling and you having a very back-and-forth opinion of me. I thought you were way too passive about finding out mocsta was scum, but I think that was too hard for me to tell over the internet, then when I read more of your logs you sent me, it was kinda clear that he was either telling you what to do as your partner, or he was overbearingly trying to direct your reads. I'm not sure if constantly affiliating my name with mafia has helped but I'd imagine you'd be able to get a more unbiased read on me without him when when it counts. hopefully that holds true. The interactions point to thrawn being a cohort, but I dont see much self-interest in how he played this game. Knowing he's a vet now, I could see him being a bit more vocal in the thread, but seeing how vocal he was in PM land also lends itself to the style. Now that he hasn't ammered me, I guess this all pans out better, and it never came up to me figuring out thrawn's alignment in the end. Oats on the otherhand, analysis-wise, I have no idea. I can sit here and defend myself, but I need to know why oats is scum. I think it was a misplay for the overall-town to have such a negligible read on him when so much focus was put on the other players. Information and facts I can determine he is the remainging scum pretty handily. I know I did not have a bomb on me. This may be WIFOM, but BC did speak with slam about where his bombs were and are going. I tried to contact slam as best I could, and not long before night where I thought I would be the reasonable kill. Here is the PM Slam never confirmed my real concern, but at least I knew he was following a plan. If I was scum, I could safely shoot slam, knowing the results would be beneficial, unless both he and BC were lying to me and the thread, which would not surprise me if I think about it. I think just shooting slam and roleblocking thrawn would be a better risk then going to lylo. I PM'ed LSB about what would happen. He can confirm if you need it. If thrawn knew slam was following the plan, killing him and roleblocking him made no sense. If he shoots me, and lynches slam, he wins with all players dying. He could be playing very safely, but in the end that is not much safer unless he's relying on his ability to not get lynched. I doubt that would be his line here. I'm going to cross this off. Oats, on the other hand, has no other play to make. Thrawn is a vet, and everyone knows it, in his eyes. Thrawn will survive the bomb if slam is lynched, and if slam was not shot and roleblocked, Oats would have to force the vote on thrawn or me, who does not have a bomb. I haven't even entered the thread, and oats has already voted me, which really displays his trust in thrawn's alignment. That was extremely sloppy and I hope that makes it more clear that he's scum. ##Vote oatsmaster If there is anything thrawn, ANYTHING that can be cleared up, let me know. All the oats logs I have I have given you. Please consider how it would be possible that I am scum this game with everything that has happened. There is not a single other person in this game that I would have a better read on me then you. Happy lynching | ||
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thrawn2112
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Oatsmaster
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LOOOOOOOOL | ||
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