EPTOn May 24 2014 07:02 Steveling wrote:
Thoughts on HF?
Thoughts on HF?
Probably town. I find it skeptical that he would willingly posture a shot like that as mafia and draw that much attention to himself.
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Probably town. I find it skeptical that he would willingly posture a shot like that as mafia and draw that much attention to himself. | ||
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On May 24 2014 07:22 geript wrote: No I'm teasing you. Chill. I have. You're likely town Scumeling. BH maybe probably town. Marv is an old straight Peruvian. Hapa town. I'm town. Snooglewoogle likely town. Slam maybe town. Let's just stop fighting each other and work together. @Hapa can you reread ritoky. He dropped his tambo push at an odd time to pickup Wave and layabout. Looked really odd. Re:Yellow. I find his push on Slam a bit odd. Like it's half a +1 on my read and halfway calling Slam scum. I think it's kinda interesting how he follows the RNG lynch but doesn't really analyze it's usefulness either way or take a hard stance. Probably an ok lynch. That thing on ritoky is actually kinda interesting. Didn't notice it the first time around: "Leaning scum" here on Tambo: On May 22 2014 07:54 ritoky wrote: ... mtamburini - leaning scum - As town last game he entered the thread disinterested and fakeclaiming vigi right away. He entered this thread obviously much different, which is understandable since you probably can't do that every game. However his long post near the beginning of the thread didn't really do much for me. It was a lot of space for basically not much content. And after that much of what he typed seemed very forced to me. When you're forcing things out rather than simply saying you have no idea when that is the truth, it reads scummy to me. Tambo's "a lot worse": On May 22 2014 07:57 ritoky wrote: ... I think you misread mtam's filter, I was moreso commenting on how I felt his movement back and forth from neutral to scummy, back to neutral was how I was feeling about bunnies. However since then mtam has gotten a lot worse in my mind. ...nothing... "Guess it's between layabout and WOS guaiz" On May 22 2014 19:48 ritoky wrote: Well, I am going to sleep and I am not sure if I will make it back before the deadline. For me it's between WOS and layabout. WOS contributes and I basically don't like much of anything he says. Layabout doesn't contribute, and when he does its mostly shit filling. Gonna go with layabout. ##vote layabout | ||
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On May 24 2014 07:48 marvellosity wrote: we need to stop with the "scumtell in this setup" crap. it's so silly. i'll be annoyed if ritoky is mafia, then i'll have to admit austin got it right :< Not really. I have a ton of scumreads, and a lot of them are on players I can see as being lynchbait. I'd be a lot more comfortable if I could narrow that down a bit, and establishing what and what isn't a tell in a very unusual setup is pretty important IMO. | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/440546-golden-sun-the-lost-age-mafia-djinn-edition?page=169#3377 | ||
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##Vote Yell0w I really can't justify his play anymore from a town perspective. I thought it was *possible* that he believed for whatever reason that an RNG lynch was actually a better choice than lynching a scumread, but this posts shoots it to hell: On May 24 2014 23:13 Yell0w wrote: So first of all I'd like to say that I don't think we should lynch tamburini anymore, I remember him saying that he hated being vanilla townie, which I think is what's happening this game, he just doesn't care much about the game because he doesn't like his role. Anyways, that's the feeling I got from reading the thread, maybe I should reread to make sure. And about kush, I didn't think the case against him was that great, it's just a meta case, and while it's not necessarily a bad case either, I found it really weird that so many people jumped on him so fast after the case. Personally, if someone is trying to make me believe someone else is mafia, I at least read the other person's filter and try to make my own opinion before agreeing, which some of them clearly didn't do. I'm not saying they're mafia here, I'm just saying they should be better town and not all sheep someone they don't even know the alignment of. I thought the case against BlueyD was more convincing, especially since he is one of the person who just sheeped foolishness' case without adding anything. It does seem like he read the filter, but I think that's exactly what a mafia would do to make it look like he's scumhunting. That was the case against him by kita, he's just looking for a person to vote for, not actually scumhunting, and that's what he did here, again. Also I think jampidampi seems scummy, but I'm gonna wait for him to follow up on his intentions to push a tamburini lynch today. If he doesn't want to lynch tambo any more, that implies that he *wanted* to lynch him at some point in the past (which has to be Day 1, given that he didn't post anything during Night 1)! But he was voting Odin for RNG on Day 1! Pretty simply, the guy has scumreads, wants to lynch them, and is not voting for them. That does not compute from a town perspective at all. I've been trying to look at his behavior from any perspective I could that could justify it as town behavior, but I cannot figure anything out. | ||
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I don't have time to read your entire case on me in detail, but I skimmed it briefly and it seems to be pretty similar to the one that Austin made on me Night 1. I spent quite a bit of time/sanity replying to that, so just read my replies. Even I had the time to defend myself, I'm not keen on repeating everything I've said last night, and I have no intention of wasting my time and effort like that again. Also, please read my cases and tell me if you agree/disagree with them, because blanketing all my analysis as "going after low-postcount people" is a horseshit generalization of my posts. | ||
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Kushm4sta Foolishness's case aligns with my own Night 1 thoughts, so I'm sympathetic here. However I do believe there's a chance (however small) that Kush can do what he's doing as town. I'd vote him if it were not for Yell0w's behavior. BlueyD Not altogether convinced about him. Kita's case is reasonable, but BlueyD's response (of simply being afk to RL reasons, and not being able to post ample justifications) is plausible. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/440546-golden-sun-the-lost-age-mafia-djinn-edition?page=174#3478 One can view it as convenient, but it is definitely plausible, and I'm fairly sympathetic towards it given that I was in a very similar situation on Day 1. MysteryMeat1 Dear god why is this a wagon? The guy who posts literally nothing is rarely mafia. The fact that he hasn't even attempted to try and blend in this game makes it fairly unlikely he flips mafia IMO. | ||
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On May 25 2014 03:57 austinmcc wrote: ... Hapa do you think yellow's filter, on the WHOLE is scummy? I'm fairly unpersuaded by the rest of Yell0w's filter. Sure there are bits and pieces of it that I can agree with and "nod my head" with, but that says very little about his alignment. Until someone can give me any plausible town explanation for his votes (see my post above), there's no way this guy is town. Like seriously - someone walk me through how his vote makes any sense. The guy's only clear scumread is on tambo, he admitted to wanting to lynch tambo, and did not vote tambo. | ||
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You want to make him post. Cool. I mean you're not going to get an afk guy who's not reading the thread to post if he's not around to read your votes. He's not a guy you waste time talking about - if you think he has a chance of flipping mafia, he's a guy you request to be shot, and then move on with your life. | ||
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On May 25 2014 12:36 kitaman27 wrote: Do these two posts seem mafia indicative to you hapa? They're both null. All he's doing is defending BlueyD, which literally any alignment can do. So Kita, can you explain his Day 1 play from a town perspective? Can you explain how his only scumread is on tambo, he admitted to wanting to lynch him, and that his vote was on Odin in pure RNG? There was never an "oops I afk'd", or "oops I forgot to vote" or anything. It makes no fucking sense, and everyone's content to ignore it for some reason, in favor of thinking that a bunch of non-allignment indiactive posts in his filter somehow make him a townie. | ||
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On May 25 2014 12:39 ritoky wrote: I think my case about your uneven criticism/hyprocrisy is fairly unrebutted. I also think your tambo read and its progression is very weird and unrebutted. Haven't read that, but I suspect a good portion of that read can be explained by the fact that I don't give a shit about pushing any scumread other than yell0w right now. Also, again you criticize yell0w for wanting to lynch people but not voting/pushing on them. You kinda did that with me...so that just kinda furthers that. Errr no? My case on yell0w is completely different. I'm not voting you because I have far bigger scumreads than you. Compared to yell0w, I don't give a flying fuck about lynching you. My top scumread is yell0w and I want him dead. The difference with yell0w is that...
Like if you think for two seconds, you can understand why those two scenarios are completely different. I will not defend myself until you can provide me an explanation of how yell0w does this as town. | ||
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On May 25 2014 12:43 marvellosity wrote: Hapa, would your interpretation change if the red section said " I don't think we should be lynching tamburini today" Of course. But this is an entirely irrelevant question because he did not type that and instead typed something far more incriminating. | ||
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Once again, read this, and tell me how it makes sense. On May 25 2014 12:47 Hapahauli wrote: The difference with yell0w, is that...
If you do not understand how I am drawing these bullet points, I will lay it out for the thread yet again. Like I'm not even asking for a lot - all I ask you to do is give me any *plausible* town explanation for how town-yell0w does those actions. | ||
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If I am incorrect in this assumption, I will scrap my case. | ||
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On May 25 2014 12:58 ritoky wrote: about the cases being different? yeah he is mostly right about it, i mostly wanted to prod him a bit more so he would go back and actually read through my stuff and give me a solid response. Until you display basic reading comprehension, it is a complete waste of my time to defend myself. You will not understand my defense if you cannot understand a very basic mafia case. | ||
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ATTENTION AUSTIN. READ. MY. POSTS. Sincerely, Hapa | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/440546-golden-sun-the-lost-age-mafia-djinn-edition?page=191#3802 Why the fuck do I even play this game? No matter how much I explain basic things, pay attention to presentation, detail, and a clean/logical argument, everyone just literally doesn't read. | ||
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On May 25 2014 13:07 austinmcc wrote: ATTENTION HAPA YOU WANT A REASON IF SOMEONE ACTUALLY THINKS THAT AN RNG LYNCH IS A GOOD IDEA, A POSITIVE, WHATEVER THEN THEY HAVE A REASON TO RNG LYNCH I see nothing in Yellow's filter that says "AN RNG LYNCH IS A BAD IDEA LET'S NOT DO THAT." I see multiple posts basically plotting the best way to RNG lynch. If Yellow actively thinks RNG lynching is good, then I can understand what up. HE ADMITTED TO WANTING TO LYNCH TAMBO ON DAY1. GOOD LORD. | ||
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