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On May 21 2014 08:57 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 08:55 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 08:50 Blazinghand wrote:On May 21 2014 08:47 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 08:43 Tehpoofter wrote:On May 21 2014 08:26 27ninjabunnies wrote:
What happened to completely ignoring BH?
BH is more likely town here. Putting himself in the spotlight of town would be stupid as mafia unless he has many partners or knows he can get multiple mislynches within the next couple of days if he has town support and it's worth his lynch.
But BH is pushing a losing cause here. He doesn't have much of support at all. You've seen me play mafia before bunnies on video mafia I come out and just take over and do silly stuff because like BH here I think its very hard for me to get lynched as either alignment... clearly he is quite certain of himself and his playstyle so I think someone who has his persona might do something like this regardless of alignment because he can. Do you see that correlation? For what its worth I like what you have to say about thrawn his posts so far have been nothing. Yeah, you do silly stuff regardless of your alignment. But I understand what you mean. So BH, if you are so good as you say you are, besides you pushing RNG, what reads do you have outside of that? OdinofPergo is scum. Let's get him. Why all the resistance? What has he done this game to convince you he's town? Odin hasn't spoken. And the resistance is because you could easily be pushing a ML on a possible role. Or even if he's vanilla town it's still a mislynch. Like I said, I would rather lynch him based off his play. He hasn't spoken yet, but im willing to give him a chance. If he doesn't prove anything, I wouldn't be opposed to lynching him. Well for now, why don't you vote him? He hasn't proved anything yet, and it's not like you can't unvote him later. It would help me with wrangling votes since everyone is like "yeah rng sounds good but you have no votes", i want them not to have an excuse. Don't give them an excuse.
BH, I'm not some little newbie you can sway.
My vote will go on someone who I think is scum at the moment I place my vote, and not before.
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On May 21 2014 09:08 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
My reads so far:
Jampidampi - Mafia.
Bunnies - Town.
Yellow - Town.
Koshi - Town.
BH - Town, but I don't like his RNG thingy.
Holyflare - Mafia.
I will explain if asked to explain, there's so many people, I'm too lazy to write everything up.
Lazy town is not productive town.
Neither is lazy mafia.
Prove to me you're the first.
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On May 21 2014 09:12 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 09:01 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 08:57 Blazinghand wrote:On May 21 2014 08:55 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 08:50 Blazinghand wrote:On May 21 2014 08:47 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 08:43 Tehpoofter wrote:On May 21 2014 08:26 27ninjabunnies wrote:
What happened to completely ignoring BH?
BH is more likely town here. Putting himself in the spotlight of town would be stupid as mafia unless he has many partners or knows he can get multiple mislynches within the next couple of days if he has town support and it's worth his lynch.
But BH is pushing a losing cause here. He doesn't have much of support at all. You've seen me play mafia before bunnies on video mafia I come out and just take over and do silly stuff because like BH here I think its very hard for me to get lynched as either alignment... clearly he is quite certain of himself and his playstyle so I think someone who has his persona might do something like this regardless of alignment because he can. Do you see that correlation? For what its worth I like what you have to say about thrawn his posts so far have been nothing. Yeah, you do silly stuff regardless of your alignment. But I understand what you mean. So BH, if you are so good as you say you are, besides you pushing RNG, what reads do you have outside of that? OdinofPergo is scum. Let's get him. Why all the resistance? What has he done this game to convince you he's town? Odin hasn't spoken. And the resistance is because you could easily be pushing a ML on a possible role. Or even if he's vanilla town it's still a mislynch. Like I said, I would rather lynch him based off his play. He hasn't spoken yet, but im willing to give him a chance. If he doesn't prove anything, I wouldn't be opposed to lynching him. Well for now, why don't you vote him? He hasn't proved anything yet, and it's not like you can't unvote him later. It would help me with wrangling votes since everyone is like "yeah rng sounds good but you have no votes", i want them not to have an excuse. Don't give them an excuse. BH, I'm not some little newbie you can sway. My vote will go on someone who I think is scum at the moment I place my vote, and not before. I'm going to treat BH like Chompsy. So bunnies what do you think of Yellow going along with the BH plan? You played with him before ya? Also @Hapa I like what you said on Valenius he also since then just added on about BH's random lynch bs. Adding fluff onto fluff. ##Vote: ValeniusMaybe we can play mafia instead of slot machine's like BH wants to 
Awww poor BH. Nobody wants to be treated like Chompsy.
So I initially read this post + Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 06:49 Yell0w wrote:
So about this whole RNG thing, aren't scum players more likely to vote for OdinofPergo if he isn't in their faction since they don't even need a reason to vote him? They can just claim they're doing it for RNG and get a lynch on someone who isn't aligned with them?
Wouldn't a better way be to each claim we are RNG voting, then use the RNG on the post in which we claimed it and then vote for whomever our own post said? So that there is no way to know if you're going to lynch someone of your own faction or not so it's riskier for scum to go by RNG? Maybe I'm completely wrong here.
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On May 21 2014 09:20 sqrtofneg1 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 09:16 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 09:08 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
My reads so far:
Jampidampi - Mafia.
Bunnies - Town.
Yellow - Town.
Koshi - Town.
BH - Town, but I don't like his RNG thingy.
Holyflare - Mafia.
I will explain if asked to explain, there's so many people, I'm too lazy to write everything up. Lazy town is not productive town. Neither is lazy mafia. Prove to me you're the first. The game is moving too fast to write up detailed stuff like that. You haven't posted many reads, are you being more productive?
I think I'm being productive. I'm posting and questioning where I think I need to be questioning.
I've posted some reads. Mostly who I think is town, and why.
Town: BH, MZ, Yell0w
Mafia: Jamp and thrawn
Fenced: TehPoof, WOS, and Steveling (tho the last one leading more town)
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On May 21 2014 09:23 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +So about this whole RNG thing, aren't scum players more likely to vote for OdinofPergo if he isn't in their faction since they don't even need a reason to vote him? They can just claim they're doing it for RNG and get a lynch on someone who isn't aligned with them? ^ against the idea of rng Show nested quote +Okay so I'm behind an RNG lynch, I understand my idea wouldn't work since people don't want to random their vote and if most don't do it it'll never work, so I'll just vote Odin. I was willing to wait for people to say why they were against it, but nobody gave a good reason not to do it, in my opinion.
##Vote: OdinofPergo
no posts since first post that indicate that his opinion has changed other than his idea not working contradiction?
Yell0w contradicted himself the recent game I played with him, I called him out on it, and he jokingly called himself mafia. Turns out he was town. I wouldn't read too much into the contradiction now, but maybe in the future.
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On May 21 2014 09:27 marvellosity wrote:
hey bunnies, can you tell me how you feel in this game compared to your newbie game you just finished?
like your comfort level or similar?
I'm feeling pretty good about this game. There's a lot more people, some who are way more experienced than last game I played, but I'm not too worried about it.
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On May 21 2014 09:28 mtamburini wrote:Geript is taking a page from my playbook obviously. Bunnies you still sour I made that claim?Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:45 jampidampi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:39 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 06:27 jampidampi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:21 27ninjabunnies wrote:
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It's also obvious who are going to jump out in the front and try and lead town one way or another. We definitely have a mafia or two in the first couple of pages.
You sound confident, enough that I think you have your eye on someone already. Care to share as to who it may be? I may have my eye on a few people. From my experience, there are two type of mafia people: the lurkers, and the ones who like to ome out first day and take control of town. I'm focusing on the latter because they are the ones to likely talk more, you can easily find their slips (if any), and they are also more likely to last longer than the lurker mafia. Why are you avoiding my question? I asked you to name your suspicions, but instead you give an indefinite answear and then babble on about something that could reasonably be figured out from your earlier post. Bunnies you got soooooooooooo mad when people wouldnt answer your questions in the newbie game, why dont you answer jamps?
Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:45 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 06:35 geript wrote:On May 21 2014 06:32 Tehpoofter wrote:On May 21 2014 06:26 geript wrote:On May 21 2014 06:09 WaveofShadow wrote:
This is going to bed a very odd game with so many people I don't know.
In other news I'm getting real sick of rolling VT in massive theme-style games (or games in general). Really fucking boring.
Gonna be the same basic formula: either I suck balls and get left alive forever and get demoralized and whatnot, or I get a flash of genius and play well and get killed earlyish. The latter means I gotta try though and even then there are no guarantees. Blehhhhhhhhhhh
K so first order of business:
##vote: holyflare Suck it. I rolled vig. Want to make sure I don't shoot you today? OH DEAR GOD NO! With as often as you roll scum I may just have to policy shoot you. Or maybe I'll just shoot bunnies once she calls you a role. I haven't really decided quite yet. I'm just fucking stoked. Just because I read him super well in video mafia, doesn't mean It transfers here. However, even if I do read him as a role, not like Ima out that shit or anything. Let's NOT give mafia an advantage here. Are you saying you read his body better than his tone? There are similarities between the 2 meduims of mafia and I know you play a lot of epic mafia and can read through BS content so I really dislike your response to geript. Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:49 Yell0w wrote:
So about this whole RNG thing, aren't scum players more likely to vote for OdinofPergo if he isn't in their faction since they don't even need a reason to vote him? They can just claim they're doing it for RNG and get a lynch on someone who isn't aligned with them?
Wouldn't a better way be to each claim we are RNG voting, then use the RNG on the post in which we claimed it and then vote for whomever our own post said? So that there is no way to know if you're going to lynch someone of your own faction or not so it's riskier for scum to go by RNG? Maybe I'm completely wrong here. This post made my brain bleed. Not sure if mafia or just likes posting scummy things as town... Yellow give me a goddamn bone here there are other people I would like to tunnel on. Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:52 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 06:45 jampidampi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:39 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 06:27 jampidampi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:21 27ninjabunnies wrote:
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It's also obvious who are going to jump out in the front and try and lead town one way or another. We definitely have a mafia or two in the first couple of pages.
You sound confident, enough that I think you have your eye on someone already. Care to share as to who it may be? I may have my eye on a few people. From my experience, there are two type of mafia people: the lurkers, and the ones who like to come out first day and take control of town. I'm focusing on the latter because they are the ones to likely talk more, you can easily find their slips (if any), and they are also more likely to last longer than the lurker mafia. Why are you avoiding my question? I asked you to name your suspicions, but instead you give an indefinite answear and then babble on about something that could reasonably be figured out from your earlier post. If I'm avoiding your question, it's because I have a pretty good damn reason as to why. But because you are being persistant, the ones I have my eye on are Steveling, WaveofShadow and Tehpoofter. But this doesn't necessarily mean they are scum. I rather read more of their play and interactions before I straight out call someone mafia. The majority of these people I haven't played with, and this is my second forum game. If I don't have logic behind my reads, where does that put me? As a freaking town more likely to get mislynched. So hold your horses, let me get my reads, and then we'll talk. Defensive bunnies is defensive, GMEOY. You know you are allowed to be wrong right?Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:57 thrawn2112 wrote:On May 21 2014 06:55 27ninjabunnies wrote:
@Thrawn:
Do you have anything more to contribute?
Basically saying Hello and this going to be difficult is not protown or helping in any way.
when I have something to say I'll say it Bunnies looking to put pressure else and off of her, looooooking sccummy again.Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:07 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 07:05 Holyflare wrote:On May 21 2014 07:03 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 21 2014 07:02 Holyflare wrote:
#logic So sexy Now do you have any other ideas other than that? bunnies talked about mafia definitely being present in game so also mafia So me pointing out that there are probably a few mafia that are present, makes me mafia? Cause I would so point out something that indicates myself as mafia. ARE YOU HAPPY TO BE PLAYING IN THIS GAME? YOU DONT SOUND LIKE IT HOLYFLARE! @bunnies Why not? Would be a great play until you get cop checked. OMFG WE GOT EM BOYS SARCASM = MAFIA, look at her post in newbie game *dances in chair* Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:10 27ninjabunnies wrote:
I was about to say, BOONE IS IN THIS GAME?
Then realized he meant me.
How disappointing. I wish I was as awesome as boone. Appealing to emotion, wants us to feel sorry she is not as good as boone but I think her forum play > boones video play. Your fake sadness will not trick me! Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:10 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 07:09 Tehpoofter wrote:On May 21 2014 06:57 Koshi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:52 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 06:45 jampidampi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:39 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 06:27 jampidampi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:21 27ninjabunnies wrote:
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It's also obvious who are going to jump out in the front and try and lead town one way or another. We definitely have a mafia or two in the first couple of pages.
You sound confident, enough that I think you have your eye on someone already. Care to share as to who it may be? I may have my eye on a few people. From my experience, there are two type of mafia people: the lurkers, and the ones who like to come out first day and take control of town. I'm focusing on the latter because they are the ones to likely talk more, you can easily find their slips (if any), and they are also more likely to last longer than the lurker mafia. Why are you avoiding my question? I asked you to name your suspicions, but instead you give an indefinite answear and then babble on about something that could reasonably be figured out from your earlier post. If I'm avoiding your question, it's because I have a pretty good damn reason as to why. But because you are being persistant, the ones I have my eye on are Steveling, WaveofShadow and Tehpoofter. But this doesn't necessarily mean they are scum. I rather read more of their play and interactions before I straight out call someone mafia. The majority of these people I haven't played with, and this is my second forum game. If I don't have logic behind my reads, where does that put me? As a freaking town more likely to get mislynched. So hold your horses, let me get my reads, and then we'll talk. WoS probably town, that whiny thing about the VT thing looked legit. Just because he does it each time. Steveling also town. gutread. Poofter dnu. Your Master has spoken his first words of Wisdom. Whats "dnu" stand for? Im pretty sure he meant "don't know" More like Do not understand! Trying to read tehpoofter in any mafia game is difficult. I think this medium will be easier to read him. So far still leaning scummy. And bunnies is also still scummy. Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:11 Yell0w wrote:On May 21 2014 07:07 27ninjabunnies wrote:
That was sarcasm btw SHE USED SARCASM! LET'S LYNCH HER! FINALLY SOME LOGIC THANK YOU YELLOW! Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:14 27ninjabunnies wrote:
@HF- I am very much town this game. Pointing out mafia things in my post does not mean I'm mafia. It means I'm assesing the game and trying to find out who mafia are. But nice try in trolling me.
@Meapak- yeah, im a her. No it means your mafia. Holy flare is on to something. He sees the same thing as me. But HOLYFLARE are you having fun yet? Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:23 27ninjabunnies wrote:
So here's where I am at.
I don't necessarily like thrawn. Not talking isn't productive for town. Whether he's stubborn town or straight up mafia, I'd lynch him in a heartbeat.
I also want to hear more from Jamp. He seems to be focussing on the 'reads' that I said I had within the first couple of pages, and then questions someone else on what they think about my reads, yet he hasn't really said anything about what he thinks. Also, why is he focussing on my reads? Not saying mine are bad, but im a new player, one he hasn't played with. So why does it matter necessarily what I think?
Hell talk when he wants to just like you said you wanted to. Why are you attacking him for something that someone did to you? I dont think you liked it but you think it was towny of you to hold back your reads. New player is no excuse you know better than that. Just because you dont know anyone doesnt mean you cant read them. Epicmafia (the site where you have over 2000 games on) are played with strangers all the time so what makes this different. I think we got a mafia here everyone. Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:30 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 07:28 jampidampi wrote:On May 21 2014 07:23 27ninjabunnies wrote:
So here's where I am at.
I don't necessarily like thrawn. Not talking isn't productive for town. Whether he's stubborn town or straight up mafia, I'd lynch him in a heartbeat.
I also want to hear more from Jamp. He seems to be focussing on the 'reads' that I said I had within the first couple of pages, and then questions someone else on what they think about my reads, yet he hasn't really said anything about what he thinks. Also, why is he focussing on my reads? Not saying mine are bad, but im a new player, one he hasn't played with. So why does it matter necessarily what I think?
Before I continue, were you annoyed with my guestions? No, questions are good. They get reads. Reads are good. So the questions were not annoying. I was more annoyed by the fact you said I was avoiding what you were asking. I think I had made it clear as to why. But please continue. I want to hear more. He asked you questions to get reads. You did not answer them. He got no read. So how towny have you been this game on a scale of 0 to mafia bunnies? Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 08:26 27ninjabunnies wrote:
What happened to completely ignoring BH?
BH is more likely town here. Putting himself in the spotlight of town would be stupid as mafia unless he has many partners or knows he can get multiple mislynches within the next couple of days if he has town support and it's worth his lynch.
But BH is pushing a losing cause here. He doesn't have much of support at all. Shit me and bunnies agreed on something...... Do I really have to reevaluate you? Ive read up to the Hearthstone video. Thus far.
My head hurts just from trying to pick out everything that was posted towards me. Damn, tamburini. If you are mafia here gj, cause that was one hell of a post!!!!
So let's talk about a few of these, shall we.
1.) Nah, not sour. I agreed it was a really good play.
2.) I didn't want to answer jamps, because I wasn't too sure on my read of a few of them, as it was still early in the game. Yes, I know I'm allowed to be wrong, but I would like to be atleast a bit logic before I start calling people scum.
3.) I like reading Banks' body: It's easy to do so. While there are similarities between the two types of mafia, there's a lot more you can hide within text than with voice inflection and body language.
4.) It's not that I was taking pressure off of me, by all means, you want to put pressure on me, bring it on. I've not played with thrawn, but the way he came in, barely said anything when there were multiple pages of things that could be talked on, and said he wasn't going to talk, well that's not helping town in anyway!
5) I love sarcasm. Sarcasm is the shit. What I pushed on yell0w was not for sarcasm. He claimed mafia. Im not about to let that shit slide. And he had contradictions in his posts. Others were reading it as joking, I was not. Atleast I clarified what I said was sarcasm.
6) Awwww, I'm flattered. My forum game is that good? Damn. Just let me jump in your pocket here.
7) With epicmafia games, I'm a bit more trolley. This is a forum game, something Im going to play for days/weeks. I'm a bit mroe calculated here cause in epicmafia I really don't care. It's a thirty minute game. If I'm going to spend hours a day for weeks contemplating reads, votes, I want to have substantial information behind it all.
8) On a scale of 0-town, I am town. Not mafia, so yes, you do need to re-evaluate me.
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On May 21 2014 10:08 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 10:04 geript wrote:
Like WTF people? We have guaranteed scum in Slam. It's a 100% read and I've never read him wrong. Hell last game he was under fire I flipped my read on him because of how well I understand his play despite Rayn being 100% against me. Like wtf. Just lynch Slam already. so... your read was initially incorrect?
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give yourself a hand for that.
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On May 21 2014 10:17 Cephiro wrote:
##Vote: 27ninjabunnies
27 ninja bunnies are more than enough to kill most of the players in this game. "I have my reasons to believe" that these bunnies are not aligned with town. She is a threat. Would lynch with all my heart.
Also BH, I RNG'ed my opinion about your RNG lynch, and the die said yes. So I'll get onto the wagon after this threat of ninjus is dealt with.
Like usual, I am the power that holds the balance together, meaning I can yet again do a lot of cool stuff to get rid of people with. Town for the win. I won't allow any other factions to join in, a few individuals at most if they get on their knees and beg, with a proper offering and succeeding in a mission given to them.
Hi there. I may have an army of ninja bunnies at my disposal, but I assure you they are protecting town, not trying to kill them.
So, why are you reading me mafia?
This is your first post, and you vote on me. What are your reasons?
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On May 21 2014 10:23 Holyflare wrote:
what's with everyone dropping the major heart references?
No idea!!!!
We just really believe I guess. Lol
THERE'S SO MUCH LOVE IN THIS FORUM!!!
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On May 21 2014 10:27 Cephiro wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 10:22 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Hi there. I may have an army of ninja bunnies at my disposal, but I assure you they are protecting town, not trying to kill them.
So, why are you reading me mafia?
This is your first post, and you vote on me. What are your reasons? Confirming one thing, are you asking for my reasons as for: 1) Why I'm reading you as mafia? 2) Why I'm voting on you?
Well I assume you are voting me because you are reading me as mafia.
So, why are you reading me as mafia?
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On May 21 2014 10:39 Cephiro wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 10:28 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 10:27 Cephiro wrote:On May 21 2014 10:22 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Hi there. I may have an army of ninja bunnies at my disposal, but I assure you they are protecting town, not trying to kill them.
So, why are you reading me mafia?
This is your first post, and you vote on me. What are your reasons? Confirming one thing, are you asking for my reasons as for: 1) Why I'm reading you as mafia? 2) Why I'm voting on you? Well I assume you are voting me because you are reading me as mafia. So, why are you reading me as mafia? I will have to respond to your question with another to stay true to my motives. If I didn't consider you as mafia, why would I be voting for you? Even if my replies seem very off to you, please do respond. You're under evaluation.
If you don't consider me as mafia, you shouldn't be voting me.
The only reason outside of you considering me as mafia for why you would vote for me is this: you want to get a read on me via my reactions to your voting on me to see if I react poorly or more town favored. This is only used if you don't have a read on me from what I've previously posted.
This can also lead to reads from other people if they begin questioning you or agreeing with you.
So again, why are you reading me as mafia?
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On May 21 2014 10:54 Cephiro wrote:EBWOP: I can't seem to format for my life. Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 10:46 27ninjabunnies wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 10:39 Cephiro wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 10:28 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 10:27 Cephiro wrote:On May 21 2014 10:22 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Hi there. I may have an army of ninja bunnies at my disposal, but I assure you they are protecting town, not trying to kill them.
So, why are you reading me mafia?
This is your first post, and you vote on me. What are your reasons? Confirming one thing, are you asking for my reasons as for: 1) Why I'm reading you as mafia? 2) Why I'm voting on you? Well I assume you are voting me because you are reading me as mafia. So, why are you reading me as mafia? I will have to respond to your question with another to stay true to my motives. If I didn't consider you as mafia, why would I be voting for you? Even if my replies seem very off to you, please do respond. You're under evaluation. If you don't consider me as mafia, you shouldn't be voting me. The only reason outside of you considering me as mafia for why you would vote for me is this: you want to get a read on me via my reactions to your voting on me to see if I react poorly or more town favored. This is only used if you don't have a read on me from what I've previously posted. This can also lead to reads from other people if they begin questioning you or agreeing with you. So again, why are you reading me as mafia? One last question before I will answer your question. I already know you read me as town. If you had a strong scumread on me however, would you go all-out to make me the lynch of the day right away?
I like how confident you are in yourself. As for reading you as town, that's yet to be determined.
If I had a strong scumread on you, yes, I would probably push on you to get you lynched. As for right away, it depends. If I think I can have support, I'll push right away. If I don't think I'll have any support, I'd need t find evidence that can prove or atleast put into speculation that you are mafia.
So, your answer?
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See, I don't find tamburini's post all that bad.
Sure it was only focused on certain people, one of them including me, but its nt unlikely for him to include me specifically in his reads because we play video mafia together.
Some of his reads were pretty good, and I like it questioning, though I completely agree some of it was filler.
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On May 21 2014 11:45 Cephiro wrote:+ Show Spoiler +First up, the thoughts behind my questioning. While initially reading the thread I noticed 27ninja is a very cooperative person. Which is why I started the whole exchange with her. On May 21 2014 06:52 27ninjabunnies wrote:
If I'm avoiding your question, it's because I have a pretty good damn reason as to why.
But because you are being persistant, the ones I have my eye on are Steveling, WaveofShadow and Tehpoofter.
She takes part in the discussion a lot and actively, aiming to contribute (or look like contributing.) On May 21 2014 07:30 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:28 jampidampi wrote:
Before I continue, were you annoyed with my guestions? No, questions are good. They get reads. Reads are good. So the questions were not annoying. I was more annoyed by the fact you said I was avoiding what you were asking. I think I had made it clear as to why. But please continue. I want to hear more. Her intention is to try and play as honestly as possible. Which again, is not a bad thing from a town perspective, but if you roll scum and try to play with the least amount of lies possible, it will be hard. The point of interest here is her admitting her annoyance to being called out on her play. She encourages others to share the reasons on hers, yet withholds her own for "reasons", are excused as: On May 21 2014 06:52 27ninjabunnies wrote:
But this doesn't necessarily mean they are scum. I rather read more of their play and interactions before I straight out call someone mafia. The majority of these people I haven't played with, and this is my second forum game.
If I don't have logic behind my reads, where does that put me? As a freaking town more likely to get mislynched.
So hold your horses, let me get my reads, and then we'll talk. While I definitely agree with the logic behind it, her reasoning doesn't seem sincere. It's as if she wants to put content into the thread, but avoid (for now), making any decisions that may come to haunt her play later. Specifically: She doesn't want to be read as scum. Obviously, no town player does, but her play is (even self-admittingly) aimed at not being read as scum. Even if you are read as scum as a townie, it doesn't mean you can't manage to prove your town-ness. Surely, it's an uphill battle, but for someone putting as much effort as her in the game seems unlikely to be _that_ scared of being a misread as a town. Rather, I feel the fear comes from other players correctly reading her as scum. Analysis break: My questions, the reasons behind it, and my conclusions of her replies. On May 21 2014 10:28 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 10:27 Cephiro wrote:
Confirming one thing, are you asking for my reasons as for:
1) Why I'm reading you as mafia?
2) Why I'm voting on you? Well I assume you are voting me because you are reading me as mafia. So, why are you reading me as mafia? The first exchange. My question here aims at finding the natural level of her thought process. It may not be the best comparison, but think about chess. What I'm aiming to find here is whether she thinks about: 1) The current move 2) The reasons behind the current move 3) The follow-up to the current move Or a multitude of the above. As you can see, she instantly jumps into an assumption that I vote her because I read her as mafia. She doesn't take her thought process further (into different possibilities), into questions such as: "Would he vote for me for a reason other than suspecting me as mafia?" Instead, she takes it for granted that I suspect her to be mafia. It fits well with her wanting to play as honestly as possible, trying not to doubt the claims of others. This I feel is a trait belonging to the person. So here I establish the fact that she doesn't think things ahead. Her thought process is not zero though, but considering the current step with the information given to her comes more naturally. (There are people who naturally start thinking multiple steps ahead.) On May 21 2014 10:46 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 10:39 Cephiro wrote:
I will have to respond to your question with another to stay true to my motives.
If I didn't consider you as mafia, why would I be voting for you?
Even if my replies seem very off to you, please do respond. You're under evaluation. If you don't consider me as mafia, you shouldn't be voting me. The only reason outside of you considering me as mafia for why you would vote for me is this: you want to get a read on me via my reactions to your voting on me to see if I react poorly or more town favored. This is only used if you don't have a read on me from what I've previously posted. This can also lead to reads from other people if they begin questioning you or agreeing with you. So again, why are you reading me as mafia? Here is my followup. My question is intentionally aimed to hint at a possibility of thinking outside the box. As I came into the conclusion that she doesn't naturally by instinct start thinking things too many steps ahead, I wanted to see the reaction that would come after hinted towards doing such. Her response is quite interesting. She does correctly analyze on scenario, that is, if I didn't have a proper read and wanted to gain more information on her. There are many others she does not think about however. What I'm most interested in, is this crucial miss: She does not at all consider a possibility where I am scum. Ding ding, alarm bells anyone? Note how she points out that if I don't really consider her as mafia, I shouldn't be voting for her. Yet at the end of her post, she asks why I'm reading her as mafia. This means that she thinks (knows?) of me being a town player suspecting her, rather than any other possibility. Why could I not be a scum player trying to start a wagon on her? She doesn't even go through this option at all, even after being hinted to think outside the box. It's as if she knows I'm town. That's not possible unless she's scum. On to my third question: On May 21 2014 11:08 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 10:54 Cephiro wrote:
One last question before I will answer your question.
I already know you read me as town. If you had a strong scumread on me however, would you go all-out to make me the lynch of the day right away? I like how confident you are in yourself. As for reading you as town, that's yet to be determined. If I had a strong scumread on you, yes, I would probably push on you to get you lynched. As for right away, it depends. If I think I can have support, I'll push right away. If I don't think I'll have any support, I'd need t find evidence that can prove or atleast put into speculation that you are mafia. So, your answer? This question was mainly to confirm. I was fairly certain that she does not intentionally downplay her ability to mislead her opponent. Combined with the logical deduction of her naturally not thinking ahead, and with her honest tendency to answer questions, I have no reason to believe she'd be lying about this one either. It would be possible to downplay or not reveal your scumread to try and trap a person into a situation which essentially confirms them as scum to other players, or many shenanigans of the kind. Her response however is strictly related to her own confidence about her read. If she's sure about her read, she'll go for it (no downplaying). If she's unsure, she'll work to be able to trust her read enough to convince others. (Upping her own play.) With this I come into the conclusion that she is not downplaying her abilities when responding to others, or in any questions that she replied to me. This is exactly why I consider the 2nd question where she does NOT EVEN CONSIDER ME AS POSSIBLE SCUM extremely alarming. Also take in consideration how interested in she is in the reasons why I suspect her to be mafia. She doesn't just ignore and wait for me to actually provide something, but she actively asks for it again and again. If not combined with the above, I would see this as a townie trait, but I feel she is trying to get to know her mistakes/flaws in early play so she doesn't make the same mistakes later on. TLDR: 1) Is afraid of being seen as scum 2) Extremely co-operative due to not wanting to be looked upon badly, refer to point 1. 3) Ignores the possibility of the player questioning her being scum. 4) When suspected, wants to know the flaws in her play to not repeat the mistake later Like literally, for one moment she doesn't think I could be scum trying to push her for mislynch. 27ninjabunnies is mafia, and needs to be lynched. My vote stays where it is. Opinions?
I figured the calling me mafia was where you were going with this post. I was interested in seeing what you posted, and I have to say, I'm quite impressed. However, there are many things you are wrong within this point. Allow me to point them out. I'll also give some feedback here and there, so if my explanations seems a bit out of order, I apologize.
1) Yes, I am a cooperative person. I'm not going to be completely BM towards a person or fight over things within this forum. I don't find that productive in finding mafia. What is odd to me is why you would start an exchange with me based on me being "cooperative".
2) They say honesty is the best policy. I agree, being scum it is hard to be completely honest, actually impossible! I wasn't admitting annoyance to being called out on a play, I said I was annoyed by his play, specifically him claiming I was avoiding what he was asking, which in my opinion, I don't think I was avoiding. I ended up giing my reasons and reads anyway, so people bringing this up makes little sense to me.
3) No one wants to be read as scum. If I'm read as town, that's less likely there will be a mislynch on me, and actual mafia could be found. If there are any suspicions on me because of a certain read I made that made no sense, then that takes town off the agenda of finding mafia and having to discern whether or not I am town.
4) Just because I didn't post so in my posts, doesn't mean I am not thinking ahead. It was obvious from your initial post on me that you were reading me as scum. I wanted your reasons as to why. You hop in this thread with many other questioning going on, and single me out, and I figured you must have a reason to do so, thinking I am mafia. I did consider that you didn't have agood read from me from what I had posted within the forum in previous pages, but usually when someone votes you, you think, oh this person must think I'm mafia. What is he seeing that I nor others are seeing? You asked specifically 2 questions. And I answered those two questions. Just because I didn't answer beyond "the box" of what you wanted me to does not mean I am not thinking ahead or means I am mafia. I just refused to give you further information until you gave me information, which you did not until your huge post.
5) I don't question whether you are scum here yet because of these reasons: if you were scum, why would you single me out out of many other people who could lead harder on you or your partners? I admit I'm not leading town in any direction, nor pushing an agenda. I speak out where I feel is necessary and give reads on which I think is necessary. It's also only early in day 1, and if I have a better scum read, I could push elsewhere, as I stated in my response to you. I also specifically said I didn't know what your alignment was. Your alignment is yet to be determined.
6) I am a good mafia player because I am confident in my reads. Because I push an agenda when I feel I have one. If I don't have a good read on anyone or any certainty, why would I push on a read and mislead town? Its counterproductive. I also asked for your read on me again and again, because you kept saying you would provide it, but then continue to ask me questions. I honestly don't care why you read me as scum. I care why you think I am scum. If you have good reads behind it, then so be it. But you don't. You are basing your entire read on our interactions, and not my interactions, reads, and plays I have made in previous pages of this forum.
So tldr:
1) You are completely wrong on me.
2) You play is based off of our interactions, and the way you are reading these interactions make absolutely no sense.
3) I'll push on scum when I feel ready and confident in my reads.
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On May 21 2014 12:15 Holyflare wrote:
fuck fuck sqrt got me i have a good reason though you see, i was thinking like "fuck, i'm quite hungry but it's like 4am what do i doooo" so then i saw there were some left over hula hoops and i was like "oh sweet pretty unhealthy but i'll take what i can get" and then i was like "shit brainwave" so i got out some crunchy peanut butter and i've been dipping hula hoops in it and MY GOD IT'S THE BEST THING IN THE WORLD
Totally not related to anything in this game, but what the hell are hula hoops?
Like, I know the hulahoops we use here in america we play with, but you cant dip peanut butter in it.
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On May 21 2014 12:18 austinmcc wrote:For confused non-brits, hula hoops are these I assume: ![[image loading]](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/56/Hula_Hoops_Snack_Original.jpg/220px-Hula_Hoops_Snack_Original.jpg) and not these ![[image loading]](http://img2.timeinc.net/health/images/slides/ybb-hoop-opener-400x400.jpg)
Nvm HF this answered it all.
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@TehPoofter: So I've read through yell0w's filter, and as I stated before, I like yellow's post here. I feel as if he was mafia, he wouldn't even bring this up, as he could follow exactly what he had spelled out.
In our previous game, yell0w contradicted himself, much like he did this game, and I called him out for it. I pushed on him, which is how I got my read on him. Yell0w seems to be joking a bit towards the beginning, such as his preferring a "alive cat to a dead cat" and pretty relaxed. I haven't played a game with him as mafia, but it seems like a town play to me.
I do agree that his switching to go with BH on the odin lynch is a bit weird, especially since he disagreed with it earlier, but it may just be him reassessing the game there.
He also hasn't posted much for me to get more of a read, but I'm leaning more town here.
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On May 21 2014 12:39 mtamburini wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 11:45 Cephiro wrote:First up, the thoughts behind my questioning. While initially reading the thread I noticed 27ninja is a very cooperative person. Which is why I started the whole exchange with her. Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:52 27ninjabunnies wrote:
If I'm avoiding your question, it's because I have a pretty good damn reason as to why.
But because you are being persistant, the ones I have my eye on are Steveling, WaveofShadow and Tehpoofter.
She takes part in the discussion a lot and actively, aiming to contribute (or look like contributing.) Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:30 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 07:28 jampidampi wrote:
Before I continue, were you annoyed with my guestions? No, questions are good. They get reads. Reads are good. So the questions were not annoying. I was more annoyed by the fact you said I was avoiding what you were asking. I think I had made it clear as to why. But please continue. I want to hear more. Her intention is to try and play as honestly as possible. Which again, is not a bad thing from a town perspective, but if you roll scum and try to play with the least amount of lies possible, it will be hard. The point of interest here is her admitting her annoyance to being called out on her play. She encourages others to share the reasons on hers, yet withholds her own for "reasons", are excused as: Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:52 27ninjabunnies wrote:
But this doesn't necessarily mean they are scum. I rather read more of their play and interactions before I straight out call someone mafia. The majority of these people I haven't played with, and this is my second forum game.
If I don't have logic behind my reads, where does that put me? As a freaking town more likely to get mislynched.
So hold your horses, let me get my reads, and then we'll talk. While I definitely agree with the logic behind it, her reasoning doesn't seem sincere. It's as if she wants to put content into the thread, but avoid (for now), making any decisions that may come to haunt her play later. Specifically: She doesn't want to be read as scum. Obviously, no town player does, but her play is (even self-admittingly) aimed at not being read as scum. Even if you are read as scum as a townie, it doesn't mean you can't manage to prove your town-ness. Surely, it's an uphill battle, but for someone putting as much effort as her in the game seems unlikely to be _that_ scared of being a misread as a town. Rather, I feel the fear comes from other players correctly reading her as scum. Analysis break: My questions, the reasons behind it, and my conclusions of her replies. Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 10:28 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 10:27 Cephiro wrote:
Confirming one thing, are you asking for my reasons as for:
1) Why I'm reading you as mafia?
2) Why I'm voting on you? Well I assume you are voting me because you are reading me as mafia. So, why are you reading me as mafia? The first exchange. My question here aims at finding the natural level of her thought process. It may not be the best comparison, but think about chess. What I'm aiming to find here is whether she thinks about: 1) The current move 2) The reasons behind the current move 3) The follow-up to the current move Or a multitude of the above. As you can see, she instantly jumps into an assumption that I vote her because I read her as mafia. She doesn't take her thought process further (into different possibilities), into questions such as: "Would he vote for me for a reason other than suspecting me as mafia?" Instead, she takes it for granted that I suspect her to be mafia. It fits well with her wanting to play as honestly as possible, trying not to doubt the claims of others. This I feel is a trait belonging to the person. So here I establish the fact that she doesn't think things ahead. Her thought process is not zero though, but considering the current step with the information given to her comes more naturally. (There are people who naturally start thinking multiple steps ahead.) Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 10:46 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 10:39 Cephiro wrote:
I will have to respond to your question with another to stay true to my motives.
If I didn't consider you as mafia, why would I be voting for you?
Even if my replies seem very off to you, please do respond. You're under evaluation. If you don't consider me as mafia, you shouldn't be voting me. The only reason outside of you considering me as mafia for why you would vote for me is this: you want to get a read on me via my reactions to your voting on me to see if I react poorly or more town favored. This is only used if you don't have a read on me from what I've previously posted. This can also lead to reads from other people if they begin questioning you or agreeing with you. So again, why are you reading me as mafia? Here is my followup. My question is intentionally aimed to hint at a possibility of thinking outside the box. As I came into the conclusion that she doesn't naturally by instinct start thinking things too many steps ahead, I wanted to see the reaction that would come after hinted towards doing such. Her response is quite interesting. She does correctly analyze on scenario, that is, if I didn't have a proper read and wanted to gain more information on her. There are many others she does not think about however. What I'm most interested in, is this crucial miss: She does not at all consider a possibility where I am scum. Ding ding, alarm bells anyone? Note how she points out that if I don't really consider her as mafia, I shouldn't be voting for her. Yet at the end of her post, she asks why I'm reading her as mafia. This means that she thinks (knows?) of me being a town player suspecting her, rather than any other possibility. Why could I not be a scum player trying to start a wagon on her? She doesn't even go through this option at all, even after being hinted to think outside the box. It's as if she knows I'm town. That's not possible unless she's scum. On to my third question: Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 11:08 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 10:54 Cephiro wrote:
One last question before I will answer your question.
I already know you read me as town. If you had a strong scumread on me however, would you go all-out to make me the lynch of the day right away? I like how confident you are in yourself. As for reading you as town, that's yet to be determined. If I had a strong scumread on you, yes, I would probably push on you to get you lynched. As for right away, it depends. If I think I can have support, I'll push right away. If I don't think I'll have any support, I'd need t find evidence that can prove or atleast put into speculation that you are mafia. So, your answer? This question was mainly to confirm. I was fairly certain that she does not intentionally downplay her ability to mislead her opponent. Combined with the logical deduction of her naturally not thinking ahead, and with her honest tendency to answer questions, I have no reason to believe she'd be lying about this one either. It would be possible to downplay or not reveal your scumread to try and trap a person into a situation which essentially confirms them as scum to other players, or many shenanigans of the kind. Her response however is strictly related to her own confidence about her read. If she's sure about her read, she'll go for it (no downplaying). If she's unsure, she'll work to be able to trust her read enough to convince others. (Upping her own play.) With this I come into the conclusion that she is not downplaying her abilities when responding to others, or in any questions that she replied to me. This is exactly why I consider the 2nd question where she does NOT EVEN CONSIDER ME AS POSSIBLE SCUM extremely alarming. Also take in consideration how interested in she is in the reasons why I suspect her to be mafia. She doesn't just ignore and wait for me to actually provide something, but she actively asks for it again and again. If not combined with the above, I would see this as a townie trait, but I feel she is trying to get to know her mistakes/flaws in early play so she doesn't make the same mistakes later on. TLDR: 1) Is afraid of being seen as scum 2) Extremely co-operative due to not wanting to be looked upon badly, refer to point 1. 3) Ignores the possibility of the player questioning her being scum. 4) When suspected, wants to know the flaws in her play to not repeat the mistake later Like literally, for one moment she doesn't think I could be scum trying to push her for mislynch. 27ninjabunnies is mafia, and needs to be lynched. My vote stays where it is. Opinions? Goddamn bunnies back to scummy now, I need you to pretend your formaled and defend yourself. He brings up all the points I wanted to kill yellow in other game. Do I need to claim Bird Jesus again and say im going to shoot you and see if I get roleblocked?
Hey tamburini, before you say I'm scummy once again, read my response to him.
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On May 21 2014 12:42 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 12:40 27ninjabunnies wrote:@TehPoofter: So I've read through yell0w's filter, and as I stated before, I like yellow's post here. I feel as if he was mafia, he wouldn't even bring this up, as he could follow exactly what he had spelled out. [red]In our previous game, yell0w contradicted himself, much like he did this game, and I called him out for it. I pushed on him, which is how I got my read on him.[red] Yell0w seems to be joking a bit towards the beginning, such as his preferring a "alive cat to a dead cat" and pretty relaxed. I haven't played a game with him as mafia, but it seems like a town play to me. I do agree that his switching to go with BH on the odin lynch is a bit weird, especially since he disagreed with it earlier, but it may just be him reassessing the game there. He also hasn't posted much for me to get more of a read, but I'm leaning more town here. so if you only got your read on him last game for pushing him on his contradiction why this game did you decide to call him towny for it instead of pushing him to get the previous read?
Because I was reading him townie for his initial post (the one I just linked in this read). I felt as if I didn't need to push on him, plus someone else was doing so by calling him scum for that contradiction. When yell0w respnds, I'll have more of a read.
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