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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 08 2014 18:39 GMT
#841
##unvote
##vote: yamato
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
January 08 2014 18:39 GMT
#842
This is for rayn:
+ Show Spoiler +

On January 08 2014 14:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2014 13:57 wherebugsgo wrote:
IIRC yamato did a similar thing the last game I played with him, Smurf Mini. Although I don't know if it was because he was scum or busy or what (I assume a combination of both) but he lurked to the point where he got replaced, then his replacement won the game for him and his team basically. (not like the replacement really did anything either, though). On day 1 we almost lynched him, but switched and lynched someone else who happened to also flip scum.

We need to consolidate on yamato as long as he continues to be worthless. He's not completely useless as town and it's incredibly scummy for him to come back only when pressured simply to post one line and leave again.

As for Cora, if he routinely plays like this (something that I will try to confirm for myself later, probably early tomorrow when I wake up) then he's probably not scum since there are ways one can justify his play from a town perspective. It's hard, but doable. However he's still a reasonable alternate choice if something drastic changes with regards to yamato.

I don't think this is a right way to go, because yamato already promised to contribute. When someone does that you leave them alone to make them feel comfortable (in case they are scum) and focus on other people. If yamato does not contribute, he claims scum and we can vote him at the end of the day.

If we vote for yamato now, regardless of his alignment, noone else is pressured and while townies should not stop contributing even when there is a clear thread sentiment that's unfortunately not the general line of thinking.
Placing votes on yamato will kill the discussion to some extent, people are more likely to contribute if they are under pressure. yamato was already under pressure and promised to contribute, that pressure has achieved what it's purpose was.

You are such a hypocrite. Do you know what you are doing here? No? You are doing exactly what I was doing in my little fight wit bugs. He voted Kush who was absent and did not want to go after and pressure or discuss anyone else and I tried to explain to him how it doesn't help and how we could still vote Kush later and kill him. Still you write this:
On January 08 2014 13:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On a sidenote i love bugs, that's exactly how you play mafia and JAT and Corazon are being dumb. That does not mean they are scum though.

Yeah... well how much did bugs contribute before I made him do it? Exactly. Funny how you call me dumb for getting him to do something but after our last game I won't consider this logic failures a scumtell for you.
<3


Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
January 08 2014 18:40 GMT
#843
On January 07 2014 15:40 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2014 15:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 07 2014 15:27 yamato77 wrote:
On January 07 2014 15:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Do you want to explain why you don't like those posts or just throw baseless accusations that isn't really an accusation?

You're too cavalier this early in the game.

On January 07 2014 15:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am pretty sure that's kind of the definition of my town play.

Elaborate please.

It's also how you play scum.

"Meta is ass" really?
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
January 08 2014 18:40 GMT
#844
Cora I am not sweeping anything under the rug. It is a waste of resources in my opinion to try and argue the semantics of what is or isn't 'twisting words' or 'lying' with you, especially as I highly doubt I will be convincing you one way or the other. Nobody else has any problem with anything WBG or I said to you as far as I can tell, and there is no reason it should be your focus right now.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
January 08 2014 18:41 GMT
#845
On January 09 2014 03:36 iamperfection wrote:
yamato before i unvote you i need one thing explained to me like im 5.

You said you had misgivings about me as being scum when i came back what particular posts or what did i do SPECIFICALLY that made you think that. That's the one barrier right now that i cant get past.


Stuff like this:

On January 08 2014 23:28 iamperfection wrote:
its the opposite of scummy and both of you should know that it brings attention to myself when i didn't need to i could have just sat with my vote.


Where you show no guilty mindset whatsoever. You don't seem to think we should think you're mafia whatsoever, so it makes me think you're town. It's a decent towntell.

On January 08 2014 23:39 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2014 23:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 08 2014 23:26 iamperfection wrote:
On January 08 2014 23:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
He is saying he played intentionally slowly (which =/= scummy) and that your reasoning for votehopping from yamato -> WoS -> yamato looks like you are looking for a lynch target rather than figuring out what people's alignments are.

I actually agree with him to some extent, especially because of your actions regarding voting / unvoting WoS.

bs i stated my reasons for voting wos when i did i reacted to what i saw. That is not scummy in the slightest.

Your vote on WoS was reasonable because i thought the same thing you and kush did when you reacted to his post. The thing i find scummy is when WoS interacted with people after that you retracted from the vote back to yamato for reasons that were "well at least WoS is here talking but yamato is not".

If you really thought WoS is scummy why didn't you keep your vote on him and pressure him about his scummy post(s)? This is exactly what i was trying to say to WBG, you did the exact thing i was worried about people voting for yamato when he earlier on promised to contribute when he had more time.

To me that seems like you did not even care about WoS' alignment, because why would you not keep your vote on him if you think he did something scummy? Why did you not want to hear more from him? If you give him a "free pass" by rectracting your pressure/vote what does that achieve?

he was giving reads and giving thoughts made him seem less scummy to me its not rocket science rayn


More of the same. You think it should be easy to understand. You're not trying to pander to people or posting in fear, you're just posting whatever you want.

Feels more like town iamp that I remember.
Writer@WriterYamato
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
January 08 2014 18:41 GMT
#846
On January 09 2014 03:30 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Reading through the interaction between WBG / JAT left a distaste in my mouth for jat. The whole instance where jat was calling out wbg for calling out kush and not furthering town discussion was bs. jat what is your read on WBG after the interaction?

in terms of policy lynching im down for lynching either because yolo, why not?

You mean bugs and me? How very pro town by you...
I am not sure about bugs but he is at least invested in this game now and I definitely won't lynch a player like him Day1. If I had to decide right now I would say town.
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
January 08 2014 18:42 GMT
#847
recent events lead me to believe cora is town.
##unvote
##vote wos
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
January 08 2014 18:42 GMT
#848
On January 09 2014 03:40 WaveofShadow wrote:
Cora I am not sweeping anything under the rug. It is a waste of resources in my opinion to try and argue the semantics of what is or isn't 'twisting words' or 'lying' with you, especially as I highly doubt I will be convincing you one way or the other. Nobody else has any problem with anything WBG or I said to you as far as I can tell, and there is no reason it should be your focus right now.

Wave. You called me scum because of a lie you made about what I wrote. It looks ridiculously scummy to me. You blatantly did it and you are still trying to say that it is not important. Just admit that you lied about what I had said. You don't even have to say why.
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kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
January 08 2014 18:42 GMT
#849
##unvote
##vote cheesecake

actualy
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
January 08 2014 18:42 GMT
#850
On January 09 2014 03:39 justanothertownie wrote:
This is for rayn:
+ Show Spoiler +

On January 08 2014 14:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2014 13:57 wherebugsgo wrote:
IIRC yamato did a similar thing the last game I played with him, Smurf Mini. Although I don't know if it was because he was scum or busy or what (I assume a combination of both) but he lurked to the point where he got replaced, then his replacement won the game for him and his team basically. (not like the replacement really did anything either, though). On day 1 we almost lynched him, but switched and lynched someone else who happened to also flip scum.

We need to consolidate on yamato as long as he continues to be worthless. He's not completely useless as town and it's incredibly scummy for him to come back only when pressured simply to post one line and leave again.

As for Cora, if he routinely plays like this (something that I will try to confirm for myself later, probably early tomorrow when I wake up) then he's probably not scum since there are ways one can justify his play from a town perspective. It's hard, but doable. However he's still a reasonable alternate choice if something drastic changes with regards to yamato.

I don't think this is a right way to go, because yamato already promised to contribute. When someone does that you leave them alone to make them feel comfortable (in case they are scum) and focus on other people. If yamato does not contribute, he claims scum and we can vote him at the end of the day.

If we vote for yamato now, regardless of his alignment, noone else is pressured and while townies should not stop contributing even when there is a clear thread sentiment that's unfortunately not the general line of thinking.
Placing votes on yamato will kill the discussion to some extent, people are more likely to contribute if they are under pressure. yamato was already under pressure and promised to contribute, that pressure has achieved what it's purpose was.

You are such a hypocrite. Do you know what you are doing here? No? You are doing exactly what I was doing in my little fight wit bugs. He voted Kush who was absent and did not want to go after and pressure or discuss anyone else and I tried to explain to him how it doesn't help and how we could still vote Kush later and kill him. Still you write this:
On January 08 2014 13:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On a sidenote i love bugs, that's exactly how you play mafia and JAT and Corazon are being dumb. That does not mean they are scum though.

Yeah... well how much did bugs contribute before I made him do it? Exactly. Funny how you call me dumb for getting him to do something but after our last game I won't consider this logic failures a scumtell for you.
<3



You used this point against be as well iirc, and I showed hwo to me there was a definite difference between WBG's and your posting during that time. Why do you constantly find the need to come back to it?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
January 08 2014 18:42 GMT
#851
On January 09 2014 03:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2014 03:37 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I haven't read a single post cora has made because usually they're so hostile I don't even care

You will also get lynched if you do not start playing the game and keep on posting this useless crap.


calm your tits, i was away for 1 1/2 days from extractor as well. I think artanis could be scum essentially because he's done nothing but tunnel me the entire game for bad reasoning. I want jat to respond to my question, and I think lynching kush / cora is a grand idea.

##Vote: Cora

mainly because why not? lol
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
January 08 2014 18:42 GMT
#852
On January 09 2014 03:40 Corazon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2014 15:40 yamato77 wrote:
On January 07 2014 15:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 07 2014 15:27 yamato77 wrote:
On January 07 2014 15:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Do you want to explain why you don't like those posts or just throw baseless accusations that isn't really an accusation?

You're too cavalier this early in the game.

On January 07 2014 15:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am pretty sure that's kind of the definition of my town play.

Elaborate please.

It's also how you play scum.

"Meta is ass" really?

Yes it is. If you can't justify voting for me beyond comparison to ONE SCUM GAME I had FOREVER AGO, your argument is ass.
Writer@WriterYamato
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
January 08 2014 18:43 GMT
#853
On January 09 2014 03:42 kushm4sta wrote:
##unvote
##vote cheesecake

actualy


care to explain that kush?
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
January 08 2014 18:43 GMT
#854
On January 09 2014 03:42 Corazon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2014 03:40 WaveofShadow wrote:
Cora I am not sweeping anything under the rug. It is a waste of resources in my opinion to try and argue the semantics of what is or isn't 'twisting words' or 'lying' with you, especially as I highly doubt I will be convincing you one way or the other. Nobody else has any problem with anything WBG or I said to you as far as I can tell, and there is no reason it should be your focus right now.

Wave. You called me scum because of a lie you made about what I wrote. It looks ridiculously scummy to me. You blatantly did it and you are still trying to say that it is not important. Just admit that you lied about what I had said. You don't even have to say why.

Show me where I lied Cora, if we can deal with this without it overtaking the thread then fine.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
January 08 2014 18:43 GMT
#855
On January 09 2014 03:39 thrawn2112 wrote:
##unvote
##vote: yamato

Thrawn. You're better than this as town.
Writer@WriterYamato
Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
January 08 2014 18:44 GMT
#856
On January 09 2014 03:42 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2014 03:40 Corazon wrote:
On January 07 2014 15:40 yamato77 wrote:
On January 07 2014 15:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 07 2014 15:27 yamato77 wrote:
On January 07 2014 15:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Do you want to explain why you don't like those posts or just throw baseless accusations that isn't really an accusation?

You're too cavalier this early in the game.

On January 07 2014 15:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am pretty sure that's kind of the definition of my town play.

Elaborate please.

It's also how you play scum.

"Meta is ass" really?

Yes it is. If you can't justify voting for me beyond comparison to ONE SCUM GAME I had FOREVER AGO, your argument is ass.

You just used meta to call thrawn town. Why are you contradicting yourself?
Grubby's #1 Fan
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9642 Posts
January 08 2014 18:44 GMT
#857
## unvote Im going to ponder things for a while back in a little while.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
January 08 2014 18:44 GMT
#858
EBWOP: Iamp, not thrawn.
Grubby's #1 Fan
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 08 2014 18:44 GMT
#859
On January 09 2014 03:43 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2014 03:39 thrawn2112 wrote:
##unvote
##vote: yamato

Thrawn. You're better than this as town.


the problem is I no longer want to lynch corazon
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
January 08 2014 18:45 GMT
#860
Ok look at kush.
Why is he being allowed to continue in this game?
People may have doubts about cora and yamato, but aside from thrawn I think who for some reason thinks we need to coddle kush and fondle his balls until he maybe posts something useful, I think it's pretty clear so far that kush is contributing nothing and doesn't really care to whatsoever.

At least Cora is DOING something in his own convoluted way.

Who will be easier to read at LYLO, Kush or Cora?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
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