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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 08 2014 18:28 GMT
#821
On January 09 2014 03:24 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2014 03:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 09 2014 03:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
On January 09 2014 03:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 09 2014 03:07 WaveofShadow wrote:
Rayn since you're around what about gumshoe?

I don't know because he has not been here.
The difference is i expect gumshoe, fuba and CC to actually play mafia later.
I don't expect kush and Cora play mafia, it's pretty self-evident from their posts.


of the two of them which do you think is more likely to not play as town and scum

Both are equally bad.
One refuses to read the thread and the other one refuses to contribute and tells people to back off from any case before even reading it.


I think the difference is that kush and I played in the same newbies and I have seen all of his bs through the past couple years, and I know that if he's town he can be harmless and even helpful as long as you don't bait him into trolling you.

I am sure he can but he just refused to read the thread because "so many posts". That will not change.
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Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
January 08 2014 18:30 GMT
#822
Reading through the interaction between WBG / JAT left a distaste in my mouth for jat. The whole instance where jat was calling out wbg for calling out kush and not furthering town discussion was bs. jat what is your read on WBG after the interaction?

in terms of policy lynching im down for lynching either because yolo, why not?
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
January 08 2014 18:30 GMT
#823
rayn why do i have to read the thread when i can just read some of your excellent posts instead and get summary + analysis
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 08 2014 18:31 GMT
#824
On January 09 2014 03:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2014 03:24 thrawn2112 wrote:
On January 09 2014 03:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 09 2014 03:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
On January 09 2014 03:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 09 2014 03:07 WaveofShadow wrote:
Rayn since you're around what about gumshoe?

I don't know because he has not been here.
The difference is i expect gumshoe, fuba and CC to actually play mafia later.
I don't expect kush and Cora play mafia, it's pretty self-evident from their posts.


of the two of them which do you think is more likely to not play as town and scum

Both are equally bad.
One refuses to read the thread and the other one refuses to contribute and tells people to back off from any case before even reading it.


I think the difference is that kush and I played in the same newbies and I have seen all of his bs through the past couple years, and I know that if he's town he can be harmless and even helpful as long as you don't bait him into trolling you.

I am sure he can but he just refused to read the thread because "so many posts". That will not change.


Ok so you're wanting to policy lynch two people. Surely it's helpful to have a conversation about their alignments?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
January 08 2014 18:31 GMT
#825
On January 09 2014 03:27 Corazon wrote:
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The things that you are calling me out for are basically stuff that you are doing yourself. You've said that I haven't scumhunted, yet you've done nothing but make up silly reasons to call me scum. You just accused me of not going after you D1 when you literally went from "Cora/Grack are most likely scum" to "Nissani is getting my vote". Unless we are scumbuddies, you are basically looking in a mirror when you accuse me. Since you see scum, you must be scum. Savvy?

Face it Yamato, you haven't done anything this game. You've sat back and thrown your vote on Nissani without showing any other signs of real scumhunting. I've actually done shit so far, and you haven't.


This is my attack on scum Yamato from red team's prize. As you can see, I basically accused him of projecting his scummy traits onto me. As Yamato stated himself, normally this wouldn't be incriminating. However, this post proves that what Yamato is doing is directly in line with what he does as scum.

His attack on Rayn, calling him cavalier while being cavalier himself, follows this meta.
Calling me out for parroting when doing so is parroting, follows this meta.

That, along with the other non-meta points earlier (about the lack of activity + the fact that he's not actively pushing for an Iamp lynch (hell, he put it in a spoiler)), makes it pretty clear to me that Yamato is scum and needs to be lynched.

You're not even reading the thread. I already responded to this argument, as well as explained my iamp read and how its changed. You're mafia.
Writer@WriterYamato
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
January 08 2014 18:31 GMT
#826
On January 09 2014 03:20 Corazon wrote:
I would love to hear WoS' explanation for why he had to lie about what I said to make me look scummy. It's pretty interesting that he's just letting it slide under the rug.

While he hopefully faces what he has done, I'm gonna go make a post about Yamato. Brb.

Yeah no, Cora. Take your grudge elsewhere, I'm past it. I do like that you've got a whole host of other people on your ass and instead of attempting to deal with that you're attempting to deflect onto me, someone who isn't even currently focused on you.

twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 08 2014 18:32 GMT
#827
On January 09 2014 03:30 kushm4sta wrote:
rayn why do i have to read the thread when i can just read some of your excellent posts instead and get summary + analysis

Because even if i am town that does not make me right. This is exactly what i am talking about. You are a +1 vote for me or for anyone who in your mind makes most sense. That's not how you play mafia and i am not here to lick your ass so that i get your vote and someone else does not.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
January 08 2014 18:32 GMT
#828
On January 09 2014 03:27 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2014 03:19 Corazon wrote:
Come on Rayn, you can't be serious? Ofc I'm playing the game. Sure I took a break last night but to put me in the same boat as kush is a lie.


you've been ignoring the same question from multiple players for several posts

Why did you think I was so townie that I should be ignored for the D1 lynch? You said this a long time ago, right after I started playing seriously. You specifically said that I had made good contributions to the scum hunt, so you need to explain why you thought this and provide evidence.

Yeah, I made that post in a bit of haste. I really just said it because I knew that there were a lot better targets for a lynch than you. I just wanted to make up a reason for it because every time I say something, WoS and WBG try to manipulate it so I look scummy. I was pretty sick of it, so I just made a statement that couldn't be twisted. What I really should have said there was that there were a lot better targets than you.

I haven't been ignoring any questions. I left before you posted that question and then I asked if there were any questions specifically to see if you wanted an answer to your specific question.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 08 2014 18:34 GMT
#829
On January 09 2014 03:31 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2014 03:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 09 2014 03:24 thrawn2112 wrote:
On January 09 2014 03:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 09 2014 03:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
On January 09 2014 03:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 09 2014 03:07 WaveofShadow wrote:
Rayn since you're around what about gumshoe?

I don't know because he has not been here.
The difference is i expect gumshoe, fuba and CC to actually play mafia later.
I don't expect kush and Cora play mafia, it's pretty self-evident from their posts.


of the two of them which do you think is more likely to not play as town and scum

Both are equally bad.
One refuses to read the thread and the other one refuses to contribute and tells people to back off from any case before even reading it.


I think the difference is that kush and I played in the same newbies and I have seen all of his bs through the past couple years, and I know that if he's town he can be harmless and even helpful as long as you don't bait him into trolling you.

I am sure he can but he just refused to read the thread because "so many posts". That will not change.


Ok so you're wanting to policy lynch two people. Surely it's helpful to have a conversation about their alignments?

Not really because you can't tell kush's alignment because he just +1's someone. Corazon makes zero sense in all of his posts, maybe he's more likely to be mafia. Either way the other one should be vigged.

##Vote: Corazon
I have a case on him already in thread.
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9647 Posts
January 08 2014 18:34 GMT
#830
you seem overly concerned about what everyone thinks about you cora. doesn't seem like a townie mind set to me.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 08 2014 18:35 GMT
#831
On January 09 2014 03:32 Corazon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2014 03:27 thrawn2112 wrote:
On January 09 2014 03:19 Corazon wrote:
Come on Rayn, you can't be serious? Ofc I'm playing the game. Sure I took a break last night but to put me in the same boat as kush is a lie.


you've been ignoring the same question from multiple players for several posts

Why did you think I was so townie that I should be ignored for the D1 lynch? You said this a long time ago, right after I started playing seriously. You specifically said that I had made good contributions to the scum hunt, so you need to explain why you thought this and provide evidence.

Yeah, I made that post in a bit of haste. I really just said it because I knew that there were a lot better targets for a lynch than you. I just wanted to make up a reason for it because every time I say something, WoS and WBG try to manipulate it so I look scummy. I was pretty sick of it, so I just made a statement that couldn't be twisted. What I really should have said there was that there were a lot better targets than you.


damn, because

1) this is a town corazon thing to do
2) he knows I know this because I've stated it in this game and our last together

so scum or wifom? Why do you think that you should lie as town to try and stop an argument that wasn't destructive and may have even been helpful to some people?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
January 08 2014 18:35 GMT
#832
Wave, look at the fucking proof I gave you. You've made posts saying how scummy I am because you are interpreting posts without looking at them. You are saying I am scummy because of a reason that is completely irrelevant because you are twisting my words. This isn't any grudge I have against you, this is based on what you've done this game. You lied about what I said, and then completely ignored me when I said "Wave, that simply is not what I said. How could you come to this conclusion?" You know it is scummy, so you are trying to sweep it under the rug.

Yamato, you haven't responded to how you are playing to your scum meta. I just gave proof that you are playing like you do as scum, don't try and blow that part of the case away.
Grubby's #1 Fan
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 08 2014 18:35 GMT
#833
On January 09 2014 03:34 iamperfection wrote:
you seem overly concerned about what everyone thinks about you cora. doesn't seem like a townie mind set to me.


no that actually is his town mindset too. in bttb he got caught lying and i defended him because i knew it wasn't alignment indicative
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
January 08 2014 18:36 GMT
#834
On January 09 2014 03:34 iamperfection wrote:
you seem overly concerned about what everyone thinks about you cora. doesn't seem like a townie mind set to me.

Well perhaps it is because when I try to make a case, no one reads it and just talks about how scummy I am.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 08 2014 18:36 GMT
#835
On January 08 2014 17:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2014 17:01 yamato77 wrote:
All this said, I'm pretty sure I'm wrong about at least one read, because I really don't think all three of these players are mafia together. If I had to pick, I feel least confident about Cora because, well, he is really whiney this game and his town play isn't exactly a gold standard of excellence.

The problem with Corazon is he uses arguments like "WBG is mafia because he refuses to play the game".

First of all if he did read between the lines what WBG said there was: "I am pressuring yamato to contribute. This is also a message to every player in this game i want everyone to contribute. If you don't, you are scum, because there is no reason for a townie to talk and interact with people. My vote however does not mean i won't do shit, which i prove to you here Corazon, by asking you about your reads and stuff". Somehow Corazon twists this into "I have done much more than you so don't tell me i have not done shit - you are scum because you haven't done shit and you are not trying to play the game".

Okay, i could see that coming from town Corazon, he could think so. But when i make a case on thrawn, he does not apparently even read the case (or if he does - he misrepresents it totally - which makes him scum). He calls the case OMGUS and the argument between me and thrawn a "shitstorm which will ruin the town". This is totally not the case.

He shuts down a case based on incorrect things and stupid assumptions and refuses to contribute towards the case in itself. When asked to do so multiple times he still refuses to do so, but instead he calls thrawn town for other reasons (hint: that's an entirely incorrect way to play mafia and fucking scummy). Not only that, when i ask for his reasons for calling thrawn town (what Corazon sees as thrawn's contributions to scumhunting) he again refuses to answer and instead says he won't answer because of the pressure that's on him. Again, fucking scummy.

TLDR;
He (incorrectly) calls WBG mafia for not playing the game when in fact it's him who is not playing the game. He repeatedly refuses to explain his logic (which should be very easy thing to do for a town player) - something that is a foundation in proving your own towniness and therefore reducing the suspect pool. In addition to that he shuts down cases with no reasoning which equals shutting down the discussion which equals not playing the game, which is a scumtell by his own definition.

And that's my case on him.

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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9647 Posts
January 08 2014 18:36 GMT
#836
yamato before i unvote you i need one thing explained to me like im 5.

You said you had misgivings about me as being scum when i came back what particular posts or what did i do SPECIFICALLY that made you think that. That's the one barrier right now that i cant get past.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
January 08 2014 18:37 GMT
#837
On January 09 2014 03:34 iamperfection wrote:
you seem overly concerned about what everyone thinks about you cora. doesn't seem like a townie mind set to me.

I've heard this before and I've seen townies get lynched because of it. Jes' sayin.

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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
January 08 2014 18:37 GMT
#838
On January 09 2014 03:35 Corazon wrote:
Wave, look at the fucking proof I gave you. You've made posts saying how scummy I am because you are interpreting posts without looking at them. You are saying I am scummy because of a reason that is completely irrelevant because you are twisting my words. This isn't any grudge I have against you, this is based on what you've done this game. You lied about what I said, and then completely ignored me when I said "Wave, that simply is not what I said. How could you come to this conclusion?" You know it is scummy, so you are trying to sweep it under the rug.

Yamato, you haven't responded to how you are playing to your scum meta. I just gave proof that you are playing like you do as scum, don't try and blow that part of the case away.

Meta is ass. Stop trying to meta me.
Writer@WriterYamato
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
January 08 2014 18:37 GMT
#839
I haven't read a single post cora has made because usually they're so hostile I don't even care
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 08 2014 18:39 GMT
#840
On January 09 2014 03:37 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I haven't read a single post cora has made because usually they're so hostile I don't even care

You will also get lynched if you do not start playing the game and keep on posting this useless crap.
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