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On January 24 2014 07:18 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2014 07:14 gonzaw wrote:On January 24 2014 07:06 Toadesstern wrote:
well in that case, read up to the lynch. What was the question gonzaw? :D Ehmm...who is scum? That seems to be a good question. I'm a bit more uncertain about VE after reading it. I agree with foolish's big post and think it's even more unlikely for him to be mafia now. Kita's big post is something special. I'm not sure if I agree with the latter part but I do agree with the upper part a lot. I don't recall anything WoS said during that period, which isn't anything good and like I said I already said he's the one I'd like to see lynched the most. It pretty much echoes what I've said about those 4 before except for VE going down a little, so don't lynch foolish, VE and kita are both about equal for me and WoS the best guy to lynch.
EBWOP
I don't recall anything WoS said during that period, which isn't anything good that was supposed to be
"the fact that nothing stood out is bad", not "there wasn't anything that wasn't good"
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Hmm, fair enough.
Anything in particular that made you drop VE down a few places in your reads?
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he posted around 7:40 TL time, I didn't see him go crazy shouting like a mad man later on. Would have expected him to be more down that line in that situation when he was certainly there not posting.
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I don't expect to die, and I'll probably keep posting, but if I get lazy here are some basic thoughts.
(1) Creating a list of "safe" people when we're ~50 hours til we even lynch anyone is sillypants, imo
(2) Foolishness should not be on any "safe" list
Consider:- Sandroba's primary scum suspect is Prome. Filter. Overall, Sandroba mildly defends Kita, is kind of wishy washy on Foolish (maybe giving weird vibes but need more posts), but is suspicious about Prome early, middle, and late in the day.
- For all Foolishness has posted that makes sense, this is the single worst thing he's typed into this thread:
On January 22 2014 07:19 Foolishness wrote:
Questionable players
Austin
sandroba
marvellosity
Holyflare
Gonzaw
This is roughly in order of most to least town. Austin and sandroba might as well be afk until 3 pages ago, but since coming to the thread both have had strong appearances. I'm okay with them right now because they have brought things to the thread, and it is also obvious that if they continue their activity then they are town. If they keep going afk for long periods of time then start to worry. But I don't feel like that will happen.
For a guy that claims to have a purpose to everything he writes, this feels absolutely positively WRONG in a BAD WAY. It was noted by multiple folks. Whatever he posts today, right after lynch, tomorrow, etc, does not change the fact that he found Sandro to be bringing things to the thread, and specifically says if activity continues = town, afk for long periods = worry. - His followup, when questioned on that point, is BAD.
On January 23 2014 05:20 Foolishness wrote:
To explain Austin, at the time I made that post where you and sandroba are together, you and him had both shown up to the thread and posted a couple times, but that was it. My thinking was that, "okay, as long as these guys are here and continue to post they should be town". This especially applies to sandroba because he is known for being really inactive as mafia.
You're here and posting, should be obvious that you are town. He's not here and not posting, and that speaks volumes for him. He posted "a couple times." Hooray, go super townie sandro! However, (1) sandro is known for being REALLY INACTIVE AS MAFIA. (2) sandro is not posting, which SPEAKS VOLUMES - He keeps backing off while not backing off+ Show Spoiler +
On January 23 2014 06:39 Foolishness wrote:
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I would not bat an eye if sandroba died. The problem is is that Promethelax is mafia and there is solid information on why. What's the information saying sandroba is mafia? oh he's inactive. Well great, welcome to day 1 sandroba. On January 23 2014 06:43 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 06:38 gonzaw wrote:
Foo, do you think maybe both sandro and marv are town? Care to answer that? Initial response is no. If they are both town then who is mafia? Promethelax, HolyFlare, and like, VE I guess? That doesn't make sense as there is no other third to put in. ... On January 23 2014 06:59 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 06:56 marvellosity wrote:
Fool in brief.
Am I mafia?
Is sand mafia?
Just based on likelihoods, doesn't need to be certain Yes Yes On January 23 2014 07:11 Foolishness wrote:
sandroba is not a good lynch when Promethelax and HolyFlare are still alive. (Note that marv is mafia, sand is mafia, on likelihoods, not certainty. But sand is a bad lynch because both Prome and HolyFlare are more likely. That's...a lot of scum) On January 23 2014 07:46 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 07:41 gonzaw wrote:
There too fucking many coincidences going on. Sandro coming out of getting modkilled to get the 2nd guy with most votes and vote him. Prome coming out of nowhere, yet vote the only guy that would prevent his lynch.
Then Hapa coming out of nowhere and apparently voting Prome without having read the thread yet. Or there's a very simple explanation to what's going on here. I don't like the sandroba thing any more than you do I assure you. But he did his research. Sandroba's post on prome was super mega butt inapplicable and anyone who played in LoL or read it critically should know that. On January 23 2014 07:51 Foolishness wrote:
I don't even like the sandroba lynch lol On January 23 2014 07:52 Foolishness wrote:
Should just do the Promethelax lynch cause that's a lynch for mafia.
Sandroba is still iffy On January 23 2014 07:56 Foolishness wrote:
There's no way this sandroba lynch is good.
Also
"Back. Caught up and also read Prome. Fine with a prome lynch." - Austin Here, Foolishness implies that...I'm mafia? Or the lynch is bad? Or something. But it's weak. It's pure implication, and he doesn't CHALLENGE me on it. Austin, you said this, why aren't you voting prome? Blah blah blah. He's only halfway concerned. On January 23 2014 07:59 Foolishness wrote:
Well, there are some players who said they were okay with Promethelax but are joining the sandroba vote for no reason.
Sandroba isn't posting. Foolishness thinks this speaks volumes, thinks a sandroba that stays afk is troubling, but overall, when sandroba DOES EXACTLY WHAT SCUM SANDROBA TENDS TO DO, foolishness wants to lynch other people instead.
Foolishness never REALLY invests effort in pushing things off Sandroba. He tries to make me look bad by mentioning I was okay voting prome. He half-ass calls sandro's analysis of prome solid and well-researched. But he doesn't tell anyone "if you think sandro and prome are both scum, what do you think of sandroba voting prome?" which seems like a thing you might ask.
Yes, he has posted reasonable, rational stuff today. But in terms of "people who look pewpy for their interactions with/posts concerning sandroba," Foolishness is, imo, the worst off. His behavior around the lynch does not improve that. You CAN read the pre-lynch stuff as them being on opposite teams, because wouldn't Foolishness try HARDER to save a scumbuddy? Except things were really murky until a couple minutes before lynch. Everyone kept saying they were WILLING to lynch x and y and sandroba and chicken nuggets and whatnot, but nobody was really committed, so it was difficult for Foolishness, of either alignment, to determine how the lynch would come out.
THIS THOUGHT TURNED OUT WAY TOO LONG BUT HOLY BALLS DON'T MAGICALLY DETERMINE FOOLISHNESS IS SAFE. He looks the worst, to me, and probably to you, based on his D1 interactions with/read on Sandroba. For all the talk of VE not being around at lynch, not doing anything, etc, foolishness is around and doing something, which is mainly chiming in to say LYNCH PROME AND NOT SANDROBA EXCEPT I'M NOT GOING BALLS DEEP ON TRYING TO SWAP THIS LYNCH.
I was townie on him yesterday. I'm not sure on him right now. But I think anyone just reading his long posts about votes and whatnot is missing some other stuff. I promise I have more thoughts than "Don't sleep on foolishness" but this just turned long
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On January 24 2014 07:09 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2014 07:00 austinmcc wrote:On January 24 2014 06:51 WaveofShadow wrote:
Sorry austin, it's what I do sometimes.
I can't say there won't be more of it from me, but at the very least it'll be interspersed with 'better' stuff. VERY WELL, CITIZEN. YOU MAY BE ON YOUR WAY. I think a couple people were doing it, and it's just...there's a lot of it. Lots and lots and lots of vote talk, timing talk, and very little consideration for votes PLUS FILTERS. Who do you think is particularly guilty? Is anyone particularly guilty of it also scummy for it? Do you think it's made the thread unreadable or something? It hasn't made thread unreadable. But i THINK there are some good good posts coming from odd angles that...it drowned out. I was only halfway paying attention and it can go on the list of THINGS I THINK ARE IMPORTANT BUT RARELY FOLLOW THROUGH ON.
I will recheck if I'm alive tomorrow.
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On January 24 2014 07:16 gonzaw wrote:
Anyways, following up on marv, austin.
Right now, I'm here:
VE scum
One of Toad/WOS scum.
If you say Toad is town, then WOS is scum? That'd be from my POV. From your POV, how do you view it? Do you view it the same, and thus now think WOS is scum?
If not...then kita? Or maybe you are torn between kita/WOS? Or something? If I say toad is town, then mafia is ... two not toads and not mes.
You are super duper duper unlikely, I think. I've been laughing this whole time because if this were around a year ago, everyone would be saying "GONZAW WAS SCUM IN LIAR GAME AND LOOKED TOWNIE AND POSTED A LOT AND HE'S DOING THAT HERE SO HE'S MAFIA AGAIN."
Out of the remainder, I want to actually talk with VE before I really come down on him. I think prome is less likely than yesterday, and he's currently not someone I'd lynch tomorrow. I think Foolishness is still decently likely but I need to think more about that. I need to reconsider Kita, but I haven't gotten anything very scummy off him. I wish I'd kept chatting with WoS yesterday, neither one of us really followed through, and I think BOTH of us should look a little scummy for that.
So right now, I'm wishy washy! It's N1. We lynched mafia D1. We have 48 hours to lynch. I'm just not super concerned with a list of suspects right now, as odd as that sounds, but I want to pick VE's brain and chat with him, want people not to sleep on Foolishness, and need to make good on looking back on some things I nag people about.
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On January 24 2014 07:26 Toadesstern wrote:
he posted around 7:40 TL time, I didn't see him go crazy shouting like a mad man later on. Would have expected him to be more down that line in that situation when he was certainly there not posting.
and when I say that I mean he didn't post after 7:40 at all, which is 20 minutes prior to deadline.
I don't think he goes afk 20 minutes prior to deadline if he gets in here and posts at 7:40 so I assume he was there not posting.
The lack of posts in that timeframe is something I consider to be really odd and I do see a mafiareasoning behind it. Mafia doesn't want to pile on Sand when Sand was still at 0 or 1 posts at all, why should they. At the same time they don't want to later on either and at the same time mafia certainly doesn't want to defend him either. Sounds like a nice way to get out of that dilemma, just that like I said he happened to have posted just a sec before it happened...
Actually now that I think about it, I'd actually put VE even more on the scummy side
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Well austin, if you put it that way, you do seem to make me feel guilty of my town read on Foo 
Gotta admit I didn't reread his filter. But meh what do I care, night ends in a few minutes. If he's scum he just fucked himself. Don't want to believe scum Foo would play so poorly as scum, while at the same time playing so good (by making townie posts that make sense bla bla bla). Kind of the opposite of what I'd expect scum Foo to be, play good scum, while not playing good. Or something.
On January 24 2014 07:36 austinmcc wrote:
. I've been laughing this whole time because if this were around a year ago, everyone would be saying "GONZAW WAS SCUM IN LIAR GAME AND LOOKED TOWNIE AND POSTED A LOT AND HE'S DOING THAT HERE SO HE'S MAFIA AGAIN."
Ah...memories...
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On January 24 2014 07:40 gonzaw wrote:Well austin, if you put it that way, you do seem to make me feel guilty of my town read on Foo Gotta admit I didn't reread his filter. But meh what do I care, night ends in a few minutes. If he's scum he just fucked himself. Don't want to believe scum Foo would play so poorly as scum, while at the same time playing so good (by making townie posts that make sense bla bla bla). Kind of the opposite of what I'd expect scum Foo to be, play good scum, while not playing good. Or something. Show nested quote +On January 24 2014 07:36 austinmcc wrote:
. I've been laughing this whole time because if this were around a year ago, everyone would be saying "GONZAW WAS SCUM IN LIAR GAME AND LOOKED TOWNIE AND POSTED A LOT AND HE'S DOING THAT HERE SO HE'S MAFIA AGAIN."
Ah...memories... I think there is good reason not to sleep on him. I just can't get over the way he called sandro town and the way he justified that ----> his play towards deadline. For someone who thinks BOTH prome and sandro are likely mafia, he's doing a lot of work while not doing a lot of work to shift the lynch onto prome and not sandro, and his ONLY response to sandro returning after a mystical journey in the AFK wilderness is to say that sandro had done his research (again, see my posts or see WoS's posts for why sandro's comparison was not spectacular ioo (ioos?)).
Yeah, the pre-lynch stuff is wonky, but we pulled off a wonky lynch. It was very unclear who was going to really get votes between him/prome/sandro, and he just kept chiming in with the same line about prome being better lynch than sandro, and the only other stuff he did was creepy things like imply i was maybe scummy for saying i was willing to lynch prome but lynching sandro, while entirely ignoring that most of my posts were "i'm fine lynching prome or sandro."
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I think terrible posts followed by good posts is a townie thing from foolish more than a scummy thing. No lie his early posting looked horrible and even worse with a Sand flip but he knows that and looks at the thread and figures he can push through on logic and big posts? I see a scum foolish just lurking himself to death there. It would be a depressing place to be as a scummer. It is one reason I like VE (okay, the only reason I like VE) he has been in the thread and actively talking with us all even if his discussion hasn't been all that productive I see him being more depressed if he is scum.
Not that that is a solid reason for a read but it is something I've been keeping in mind.
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On January 24 2014 07:21 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2014 07:18 Toadesstern wrote:On January 24 2014 07:14 gonzaw wrote:On January 24 2014 07:06 Toadesstern wrote:
well in that case, read up to the lynch. What was the question gonzaw? :D Ehmm...who is scum? That seems to be a good question. I'm a bit more uncertain about VE after reading it. I agree with foolish's big post and think it's even more unlikely for him to be mafia now. Kita's big post is something special. I'm not sure if I agree with the latter part but I do agree with the upper part a lot. I don't recall anything WoS said during that period, which isn't anything good and like I said I already said he's the one I'd like to see lynched the most. It pretty much echoes what I've said about those 4 before except for VE going down a little, so don't lynch foolish, VE and kita are both about equal for me and WoS the best guy to lynch. EBWOPI don't recall anything WoS said during that period, which isn't anything good that was supposed to be "the fact that nothing stood out is bad", not "there wasn't anything that wasn't good"
Phoneposting just to say this is horseshit and pissed me off as I read it. You don't remember anything I said from around the lynch BECAUSe I WaSNT rTHERE for it
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Not being present for the lynch isn't exactly a strong defense.
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Just, okay, if Fool is scum and Sand is scum who is the third scum? He would have to have been pushing my lynch head over heels (or be HF) since the only other options were scum lynches.
There wasn't a player going ass to the wall crazy to get me lynched besides VE and if he was scum watching the scum lynch on foolish fall apart would he really afk and just hope the lynch shifts to me?
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On January 24 2014 07:46 Promethelax wrote:
I think terrible posts followed by good posts is a townie thing from foolish more than a scummy thing. No lie his early posting looked horrible and even worse with a Sand flip but he knows that and looks at the thread and figures he can push through on logic and big posts? I see a scum foolish just lurking himself to death there. It would be a depressing place to be as a scummer. It is one reason I like VE (okay, the only reason I like VE) he has been in the thread and actively talking with us all even if his discussion hasn't been all that productive I see him being more depressed if he is scum.
Not that that is a solid reason for a read but it is something I've been keeping in mind.
He was somewhat angry right after sandro died.
Also, dunno about you, but I see this as being somewhat depressed:
On January 24 2014 05:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
Well please stop gonzaw, it's literally ruining my game experience. I have no incentive to try and prove my towniness in this kind of environment.
On January 24 2014 05:15 VisceraEyes wrote:
Do you understand? I want to quit the game because of how you are treating me right now.
On January 24 2014 06:04 VisceraEyes wrote:
It's fine, I'm done with this game. Honestly people are too tunneled in and there's literally nothing I can do. When I try and participate it is shat on, when I try and have conversations with people it's scum claiming, I have literally no will left to play this game.
Sorry austin, you didn't make it.
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On January 24 2014 07:48 kitaman27 wrote:
Not being present for the lynch isn't exactly a strong defense.
I won't be apologetic absolut that, its not a defense. When I can be around ill be around simple as that.
If toad is reading casting doubts on me and wanting to lynch me let it at least be for legitimate reasons
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On January 24 2014 07:52 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2014 07:46 Promethelax wrote:
I think terrible posts followed by good posts is a townie thing from foolish more than a scummy thing. No lie his early posting looked horrible and even worse with a Sand flip but he knows that and looks at the thread and figures he can push through on logic and big posts? I see a scum foolish just lurking himself to death there. It would be a depressing place to be as a scummer. It is one reason I like VE (okay, the only reason I like VE) he has been in the thread and actively talking with us all even if his discussion hasn't been all that productive I see him being more depressed if he is scum.
Not that that is a solid reason for a read but it is something I've been keeping in mind. He was somewhat angry right after sandro died. Also, dunno about you, but I see this as being somewhat depressed: Show nested quote +On January 24 2014 05:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
Well please stop gonzaw, it's literally ruining my game experience. I have no incentive to try and prove my towniness in this kind of environment. Show nested quote +On January 24 2014 05:15 VisceraEyes wrote:
Do you understand? I want to quit the game because of how you are treating me right now. Show nested quote +On January 24 2014 06:04 VisceraEyes wrote:
It's fine, I'm done with this game. Honestly people are too tunneled in and there's literally nothing I can do. When I try and participate it is shat on, when I try and have conversations with people it's scum claiming, I have literally no will left to play this game.
Sorry austin, you didn't make it.
I guess. I read that more as anger but you aren't really wrong.
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But D2 is VE's trial of fire. If he does indeed not show up at all, or does to speak of bullshit stuff like still going on about his conspiracy theory ignoring everything else, he's a surefire scum lynch.
If he comes, calms down, makes some sense....then he's still likely scum lynch, but less so. That's town's call then.
Regarding Toad: meh. D2 is his trial of fire as well (trial of...wind?).
WoS's "wonky" posts lately seem to weird me out, it's like he's going crazy or something. I cba to reread his filter again, but he's worth pressuring.
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On January 24 2014 07:46 Promethelax wrote:
I think terrible posts followed by good posts is a townie thing from foolish more than a scummy thing. No lie his early posting looked horrible and even worse with a Sand flip but he knows that and looks at the thread and figures he can push through on logic and big posts? I see a scum foolish just lurking himself to death there. It would be a depressing place to be as a scummer. It is one reason I like VE (okay, the only reason I like VE) he has been in the thread and actively talking with us all even if his discussion hasn't been all that productive I see him being more depressed if he is scum.
Not that that is a solid reason for a read but it is something I've been keeping in mind. I waited like a month to have this game start. Scum better not just get "depressed" and play poorly
Foolishness has two big posts since the lynch. They're entirely concerned with the timing of votes and whatnot. I still see this as a good place for mafia to hide and just get activity out of speculation. HOWEVER, Foolishness's posts are some of the least speculative of that bunch, he does go into WoS's filter and pull some things out, do a little analysis. But overall, he's very quick to just say that all sandro voters are town, give a list of 4-5 people that need looking out (which is, btw, basically everyone who didn't vote sandro). To me, the actually reads and posts from yesterday are more important than a bunch of speculation on votes and timing, ESPECIALLY when ALL the speculation comes from "you guys have to assume I'm town."
If you want, myself or someone else can type up an identical big post in the world where sandroba AND foolishness are town. We can fully explain what votes moved, why, etc. etc. And it'll be based just as much on someone who is unflipped being a particular alignment. Except our post would be bolstered by Foolishness's D1 play.
One question, and I'm still lazy so it's not like I can say I've done this, but do you find Foolishness going from terrible posts to good posts to be a town Foolishness trait? Or is that something that mafia Foolishness actually does when under pressure? I don't remember him becoming entirely absent when under suspicion, I'm pretty sure he USUALLY posts some semi-reasonable looking lists of reads, or at least reads reasonable enough that a lot of the thread goes "hey, that looks pretty good." Off the top of my head, he has a decently well-reasoned list post and some followup in Bureaucracy (he was scum), a less-well-reasoned list post and I think some other jazz in Parallel Worlds, and I don't like remembering that Champions Game because it was kinda painful to read.
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On January 24 2014 07:47 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2014 07:21 Toadesstern wrote:On January 24 2014 07:18 Toadesstern wrote:On January 24 2014 07:14 gonzaw wrote:On January 24 2014 07:06 Toadesstern wrote:
well in that case, read up to the lynch. What was the question gonzaw? :D Ehmm...who is scum? That seems to be a good question. I'm a bit more uncertain about VE after reading it. I agree with foolish's big post and think it's even more unlikely for him to be mafia now. Kita's big post is something special. I'm not sure if I agree with the latter part but I do agree with the upper part a lot. I don't recall anything WoS said during that period, which isn't anything good and like I said I already said he's the one I'd like to see lynched the most. It pretty much echoes what I've said about those 4 before except for VE going down a little, so don't lynch foolish, VE and kita are both about equal for me and WoS the best guy to lynch. EBWOPI don't recall anything WoS said during that period, which isn't anything good that was supposed to be "the fact that nothing stood out is bad", not "there wasn't anything that wasn't good" Phoneposting just to say this is horseshit and pissed me off as I read it. You don't remember anything I said from around the lynch BECAUSe I WaSNT rTHERE for it
sorry my bad, I read really quickly and I just didn't remember anything from you. I assumed I must have forgotten anything but if you weren't there than you obviously weren't there to begin with.
However, it's the same problem I'm having with VE. I can see a good reason for mafias not to post during the last 20 minutes. It does sound a little convenient.
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So where the fuck are marv and Hapa? These are two dope mafia players who are lurking away kinds just under the radar. I'm confused.
d2 will be a lynch between non-Sand voters of course but there is a lot of sadness in my heart at the absences of so many esteemed players thus far.
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