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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
Also...hold me austin, I'm scared ;_; | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
1) Austin's post on Foolishness (above) is really, really good. Foolishness does not get a free pass today, as his attitude towards Sandro on Day 1 was highly suspect. 2) People not getting lynched tomorrow (barring extraordinary circumstances) are myself, gonzaw, austin, marv, and Prome. Prome is basically confirmed town, because a mafia bussing strat on him makes 0 sense. To bus a teammate, you have to believe that the other members of your team can comfortably carry a game. Sandro is not one of those people. 3) WaveofShadow's my top lynch candidate for tomorrow. For his filter size, he's just posted nothing meaningful. Both of his Day 1 Votes are highly suspect. His vote on Kita is literally a pure sheep vote: On January 23 2014 00:08 WaveofShadow wrote: Hmm. Reading Prome's recent summary has actually inspired me, especially given how a few other players have come up with similar concerns about your posting. ##Vote: kita My vote on you atm remains independent of my thoughts on Prome at the moment. Whether you want the reads or not I'll go into Prome and Holy now, kita, so thanks for the indirect push on that subject. Ehhhhh I still don't understand this. ...as is his vote on Foolishness On January 23 2014 06:24 WaveofShadow wrote: Alright final post, I'm feeling better about dropping my vote here. Call it a sheep of gonzaw or thread sentiment if you want, if not you can use my current line of questions/suspicion including my earlier problems with his first case on me. This may be one of the most difficult games I've played in, and it's a good kind of difficult. ##Vote: Foolishness Be back a little bit after deadline. Adds nothing the thread in either of these. Just adds some fluff/filler to act like he's contributing, followed by a vote. His attitude towards Sandro is also very strange. For example, he attacks kita here for voting for Sandro... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=439137¤tpage=28#551 Read it. It's basically a strange chainsaw defense, that does nothing but discredit kita's post. Also this is big: On January 23 2014 04:41 WaveofShadow wrote: And for the record I probably am probably scummier on inactive Foolishness than inactive sandroba. Could be bias because I have precedent in PYP for sandroba in terms of an early game lurk then blasting onto the scene, but as was mentioend before (I forget by who atm?) sandroba was actively engaging the thread when he was around, whereas Foolishness basically hasn't talked to anyone, he just threw stuff and fucked off multiple times. The bolded is a big wtf - Sandro engaging the thread while he was around? This trumps up Sandro's contributions greatly, compared to Foolishness, who at the time had posted his giant wall-o-text. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On January 24 2014 07:49 Promethelax wrote: This is the kind of thing that I'm halfway trying to curtail by playing thread police.Just, okay, if Fool is scum and Sand is scum who is the third scum? He would have to have been pushing my lynch head over heels (or be HF) since the only other options were scum lynches. There wasn't a player going ass to the wall crazy to get me lynched besides VE and if he was scum watching the scum lynch on foolish fall apart would he really afk and just hope the lynch shifts to me? Who cares? If Foolishness is scum and Sand is scum WE CAUGHT TWO SCUM. The third scum is...whoever remains alive and has played the scummiest. Could be VE, could be WoS, could be marv (he looks good to me right now, but he poked at foolishness about sandro yesterday and hasn't continued poking about something that i think is relatively relevant). Could be you but super unlikely. It could be ANY of us. I guess I don't care about filling out a 3 man scumteam right now. Like, my comments on Foolishness have NOTHING to do with who a third member might be. My comments on Foolishness are focused on specific things he did yesterday that make HIM look bad to me. I don't care about creating a team on them, I care that Foolishness took actions and made posts which I find scummy. The third scum is a matter for later. | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
On January 24 2014 07:54 austinmcc wrote: I waited like a month to have this game start. Scum better not just get "depressed" and play poorly  Foolishness has two big posts since the lynch. They're entirely concerned with the timing of votes and whatnot. I still see this as a good place for mafia to hide and just get activity out of speculation. HOWEVER, Foolishness's posts are some of the least speculative of that bunch, he does go into WoS's filter and pull some things out, do a little analysis. But overall, he's very quick to just say that all sandro voters are town, give a list of 4-5 people that need looking out (which is, btw, basically everyone who didn't vote sandro). To me, the actually reads and posts from yesterday are more important than a bunch of speculation on votes and timing, ESPECIALLY when ALL the speculation comes from "you guys have to assume I'm town." If you want, myself or someone else can type up an identical big post in the world where sandroba AND foolishness are town. We can fully explain what votes moved, why, etc. etc. And it'll be based just as much on someone who is unflipped being a particular alignment. Except our post would be bolstered by Foolishness's D1 play. One question, and I'm still lazy so it's not like I can say I've done this, but do you find Foolishness going from terrible posts to good posts to be a town Foolishness trait? Or is that something that mafia Foolishness actually does when under pressure? I don't remember him becoming entirely absent when under suspicion, I'm pretty sure he USUALLY posts some semi-reasonable looking lists of reads, or at least reads reasonable enough that a lot of the thread goes "hey, that looks pretty good." Off the top of my head, he has a decently well-reasoned list post and some followup in Bureaucracy (he was scum), a less-well-reasoned list post and I think some other jazz in Parallel Worlds, and I don't like remembering that Champions Game because it was kinda painful to read. I don't know it as a meta fact. I just don't see a lazy mafia player getting less lazy after a mafia lynch. You've brought up enough good points for me to be more interested in a foolishness lynch than I have been in this night phase thus far. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On January 23 2014 11:58 gonzaw wrote: Anyways, I just remembered how scum Grey/iGrok tended to post in MTG Mini Mafia 2, where they started making "sense" and shit like in D3 or something, but were scummy/lurking/not making sense in early days (and then of course I almost fuck things up by lynching everybody but them). Then I look at Foo this game, and see some similarities in play and evolution of the play. I guess I won't completely rule Foo out. He was almost lynched yesterday anyways, let's see what pressure he gets now. This might be something similar to what you are looking austin, perhaps. I remember Grey/iGrok doing something similar as scum: Start with god awful posts, but have some good posts by D2-D3.. ...dunno how that's relevant, but I saw a hint of that with Foo's play. Perhaps somehow you are not that wrong. But still, there is all od D2 ahead of us (you) | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
BOOM | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
Day 2 ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/29DfU1C.jpg) Picture mildly related To Hapahauli, Mafia said Bang bang, you're dead. Please remain civil in the way you treat your fellow players. It is now Day 2. You have until Saturday, Jan 25 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) to place your votes. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
g_g | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
##Vote: VE | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
see you in heaven sweet prince | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
I'm going to dinner in a sec, but my D2 wishlist currently reads: (1) Get more discussion on Foolishness. Specifically about his D1, then about his play as a whole. I'd like to talk to Foolishness as well, but I will settle for discussion ABOUT him, from more people. (2) Chat with VE. Attempt to keep people from just calling him scum for 60 hours. (3) Chat with marv. About Foolishness/sandro and generally (4) Chat with Kitaman, and get others to talk ABOUT kitaman. A couple posts have mentioned him looking a little worse from the sandro flip (i think?). He has posted some. But overall, just half-following and reading through thread, I don't have a strong sense of him doing stuff recently. That could be entirely wrong, but he's too under the radar for my liking, and I think his alignment and his filter make a good topic of discussion for today. Either we start pressuring him, or he's town and he gets active and gives some good posts, it's a win win to talk about kita more. (5) Actually talk to WoS instead of the aborted chat we had yesterday. (6) Other stuff? I'm playing VERY thread cop this game. It looks like I'm going to continue that way. Sorry if it's annoying, within my head it's a helpful thing as long as I'm not just pooh poohing stuff and not coming up with other things to do or participating heavily myself. | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
WoS VE Holy Fool as scummy. I was hoping he had a clear target before the resolution deadline that would have suggested that he was killed to push a single lynch. In terms of history: marv or I are the most likely to kill Hapa as scum n1 I think. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
Hey VE, maybe you are not such a straight D2 lynch after all (just slightly less) | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On January 24 2014 08:09 gonzaw wrote: ##Vote: VE I guess Wifom and unsubstanntiated for now but this may be why hapa instead of you (if VE is actually town) Its what I didn't post earlier with all caps. Sorry for more spoeculative shit I promise ill tone it down for wjhen I'm back Eta 4 hours | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 24 2014 08:07 Promethelax wrote: So hapa has WoS VE Holy Fool as scummy. I was hoping he had a clear target before the resolution deadline that would have suggested that he was killed to push a single lynch. In terms of history: marv or I are the most likely to kill Hapa as scum n1 I think. I actually disagree. Quick check through his filter, ignoring his last post because it was before deadline, will show up WoS a lot more than anyone else, especially if you compare it to VE who would be the one to show up more in Gonzaw's filter. So as I'm still going with the WoS and VE both look really bad, especially given that they both equally failed to do anything d1 deadline (clicky! here to see why that's an issue I'd lean on WoS even more now. ##vote WoS | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On January 24 2014 08:06 austinmcc wrote: gg hapa. I'm going to dinner in a sec, but my D2 wishlist currently reads: (1) Get more discussion on Foolishness. Specifically about his D1, then about his play as a whole. I'd like to talk to Foolishness as well, but I will settle for discussion ABOUT him, from more people. (2) Chat with VE. Attempt to keep people from just calling him scum for 60 hours. (3) Chat with marv. About Foolishness/sandro and generally (4) Chat with Kitaman, and get others to talk ABOUT kitaman. A couple posts have mentioned him looking a little worse from the sandro flip (i think?). He has posted some. But overall, just half-following and reading through thread, I don't have a strong sense of him doing stuff recently. That could be entirely wrong, but he's too under the radar for my liking, and I think his alignment and his filter make a good topic of discussion for today. Either we start pressuring him, or he's town and he gets active and gives some good posts, it's a win win to talk about kita more. (5) Actually talk to WoS instead of the aborted chat we had yesterday. (6) Other stuff? I'm playing VERY thread cop this game. It looks like I'm going to continue that way. Sorry if it's annoying, within my head it's a helpful thing as long as I'm not just pooh poohing stuff and not coming up with other things to do or participating heavily myself. (7) Watch and interact with Toad, and see what he contributes this day | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On January 24 2014 08:13 WaveofShadow wrote: Wifom and unsubstanntiated for now but this may be why hapa instead of you (if VE is actually town) Its what I didn't post earlier with all caps. Sorry for more spoeculative shit I promise ill tone it down for wjhen I'm back Eta 4 hours Well, maybe it was to instill WIFOM into town. Or maybe I'm just too sexy to die Or maybe my jokes are so funny they can't wait until Postgame to hear more from me if they kill me. Or likely that all my reads are wrong and I'm cluttering shit up I guess (that usually seems to be the main reason in other games). Perhaps I need to do another near-deadline shenannies to get their attention. | ||
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