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On December 10 2013 06:31 Spaghetticus wrote: @Grackaroni and Holyflare You were red last game. You were victorious. Can we expect any changes in your play-style now that you are presumably town? Grack in particular, you trolled through the initial stages last time, are you gonna be more helpful this game? Don't think you'd see anything different most of my games are "pretty" similar. I guess there are wordings in my posts that you can pick up on sometimes when I'm scum, knowing more information than I should etc. Marv would be able to see afaik (if it is marv). ------------------------------------------------------------ What I don't like though is cora's different responses based on who pushed him see when Plutarch pushed cora, his response was: On December 10 2013 06:13 Corazon wrote: I sense the fact that you aren't reading my posts 100%. You've already gotten off to a rocky start with me due to your baseless accusation. Make sure it doesn't happen again. pretty aggressive - an omg you pointed something out and tried to generate discussion between players don't ever do that again. A hinderance to discussion, and an OMGUS post all within the first few posts. Not something I'd see usually, most people's normal reaction is "just thought people should know" not "shut up im watching you". Then couple it with when I pointed it out again: On December 10 2013 06:14 Corazon wrote: I appreciate getting asked the same question twice. Thanks. Off to work on English. Be back in an hour or so. Complete flip in responses and then a leave the thread, plenty of things to talk about or conclusions to draw early but he just disappears. + Show Spoiler + On November 20 2013 12:37 Corazon wrote: I took a shower. Sorry for not wanting to smell bad. Moc, I'm quite concerned that you have already used up >25% of your "self-allotted posts". If you're going to start spamming, it's going to be a problem. Now to my goals/early game statements: 1. I'm not gonna make any meta crap posts. TBH I don't remember anyone's meta and it's ridiculously stupid logic. I'm not going to stand for it and I don't think you guys should either. 2. I'm voting for the scummiest person. My last game was Titanic and it came down to 3-4 days of "X is scum, Y/Z/Q is scum as well". That led the town way off of the path and allowed my scum team the easiest scum win in a very long time. I don't care if they're not on the two lynch trains that are going to form. It's not instant majority so as long as I feel like I'm voting for the scummiest person in my opinion, I'm going to be happy with my vote. 3. I'm going to do my best to not be just an onlooker. I'm gonna try and facilitate discussion and ask a lot of questions instead of just answering questions and throw my ideas out there and just create more chaos. On that note, sciberia needs to stop analyzing the first page so hard and just discuss. We're not going to find scum on the first page. You guys just need to talk instead of being at each other's throats 30 minutes into the game. I don't like his responses or his auto peace out of thread, like the point that was brought up on him. ##Vote Corazon | ||
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On December 10 2013 06:52 LSB wrote: Well that was some quick analysis. I can't tell if you are trying to flush out people who bandwagon easily or forcing things way to much If it was the first, why would you point it out? If it was the second, why would you point it out? | ||
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On December 10 2013 07:10 Corazon wrote: I do feel like Slam was right as well. If Xatalos was using good logic and pushing me like a townie, I wouldn't have a problem with him. However, he is using faulty logic on purpose and trying to pass it off as correct when in fact his conclusions only come about because he needs to fake pressure on me. I don't like these posts coming from cora. He's picking and choosing people to get aggressive on. Who is it now? The guy that is currently the flavour of the thread, Xatalos. He only comments on him using faulty logic but see's no reason to comment in on other people's contributions and explain why meta posts are bad or what was wrong with earlier pressure from me/plu. It's "attack this guy rawrrrrrr~" See this for example: On December 10 2013 07:10 Corazon wrote: I do feel like Slam was right as well. If Xatalos was using good logic and pushing me like a townie, I wouldn't have a problem with him. However, he is using faulty logic on purpose and trying to pass it off as correct when in fact his conclusions only come about because he needs to fake pressure on me. There is no discussion of why logic is faulty or trying to get a read on the person or discussing the points with other people. It's an outright accusation that a person is scum and "needs to fake pressure". This is not the response of someone that is looking to find someone elses alignment, nowhere does it ask how he plays or any regards that he MIGHT be town. | ||
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On December 10 2013 06:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Holy, I don't feel like his response is that different. I also don't think he'd put himself out there so much at the start of the game. No reason to draw attention to yourself like that as scum. | ||
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On December 10 2013 07:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I don't feel like Xatalos put himself in the spotlight as much as trying to put others in the spotlight. Corazon put himself in the spotlight without any scum gain. When you look at his post from a scum point of view, it doesn't make sense for them to make it. I can see a scum agenda behind Xatalos' posts. That said, I do like his view on my pressure on him in that it was nuanced rather than trying to score town points. The rest of the day should provide more information. Given you quoted me I take it you'd like a response from me? I don't find Corazon scummy at this point in time because he drew attention to himself without any scum benefit. Is it not also a scum mindset to heavily defend themselves when attacked, unnaturally so? Also while defending themselves to then deflect upon another person? Why are you only looking for the people that are "starting shit"? I only know a few scum that play that way. Have you any scum meta on Xatalos that suggests he plays like he is? I don't like how you're so dismissive over cora without discussion when with Xantos you skim the filters to discuss him further. On December 10 2013 06:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Holy, I don't feel like his response is that different. I also don't think he'd put himself out there so much at the start of the game. No reason to draw attention to yourself like that as scum. On December 10 2013 07:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I just skimmed through the filter he linked and I don't think it looks like the start of this game at all. He's far more aggressive here. What were you trying to say exactly with your initial post if you didn't mean to give anyone a town read but yourself? I'm confused. I don't think a plan other than "starting shit" is required for scum. That's always a good thing. Look at the difference between these two points - on the one hand (cora) is dismissed by saying "I don't think scum plays that way" whereas the second (Xatalos) is "I have skimmed it briefly and think it's different because X,Y,Z. Question, question. _____________________________ In regards to the point that you made about cora, I don't think he's "putting himself out there" like you suggest, he said that he couldn't dedicate some time towards the game but would still post actively and got picked up on it and was like OMGNUUWRONGRAWRRR!!!!!! and then didn't discuss why with people further or indicate that he had reads on other people because of what happened. He left the thread and then returned when people started mentioning Xatalos and piggybacked upon that with no new reasoning other than what people had said before. He mentions how people in the thread were piggybacking previously (me, etc.) and had qualms with them but then does the same thing here: On December 10 2013 07:10 Corazon wrote: I do feel like Slam was right as well. If Xatalos was using good logic and pushing me like a townie, I wouldn't have a problem with him. However, he is using faulty logic on purpose and trying to pass it off as correct when in fact his conclusions only come about because he needs to fake pressure on me. This is contradictary with his previous approach of disliking people that piggybacking and is essentially +1ing another players points. Take this in B2B for example, people had a bad read on him and he DISCUSSED why it was bad: On November 21 2013 01:00 Corazon wrote: When did I say that sciberia was bad town? Please find a post where I said he was bad town. I didn't vote for sciberia because 0% of wagons in the first 2 hours of a game actually get to the deadline? None. What is the point of vote-jumping? It just allows people to skim my cases once they see the bold vote and only really look at it once it's my turn to be under the gun. Voting for people at this stage is pretty useless because it's not going to get a lynch going. I guarantee you that our reads and opinions are going to change before the deadline and it's useless to lock yourself in (or at least making a statement saying you are going to) 2 hours into a game. That case was confirmation bias because you took 1-2 decent points about me (which alone are not enough to justify a vote or my lynching) and then supplemented them with saying "Corazon is doing stuff that he always does in every game, he has to be scum for it in this one". He mentions WHY the case was bad etc etc, discusses it and outlines why he thinks it was bad croming from X player. Where is that here? It was a dissmissal of a case from me and a sheep onto townish consesus Xatalos. __________________________________________ I don't like how these things are most definitely brushed off for simplicity that "I don't think scum do this" when there is a body of evidence that suggests a player does not play like this. Vote Cora for best lynch. | ||
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What to you suggests that Xatalos is scum? (judging by your vote) What specifically outlined his motives as scummy rather than towny. If you reply in cryptics I will policy you! | ||
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On December 10 2013 09:02 Alakaslam wrote: so toxic. OK. I am going to drop the persona for a minute because you all are being kind of disgruntled. You are all talking about policy lynches as if that is more important than LYNCHING SCUM. come on people. I'm doing what I can from the position I am in. Thank you. ICE! No, you are doing the SAME thing but in a more convuluted encrypted way. All i've seen so far is that you don't like X, now you vote him but then someone says Y so you vote the other person. Where are YOUR scum reads? If the goal is to lynch scum, how are you helping that instead of hindering it? I liked that you went into Xatalos' filter earlier when searching for what Artanis didn't like, keep that persona up instead! | ||
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On December 10 2013 09:27 Spaghetticus wrote: We must pool our denunciations to finally overthrow the troll overlord. Slam/kush can get shot later if needs be (already confirmed we definitely have vig's) because you can't actually determine alignment from trolling/lurking/playing their own game like they are doing. As for you, you have 2 pages of filter. The first half of page 1 is questioning people. Did you get any reads based off of their answers/posting style or not? The rest of your page and a half are all slamcentric. I understand that you are in a not so good mood but what have you determined about the current state of affairs? | ||
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On December 10 2013 09:42 sidesprang wrote: Ok, so a lot of things going on. I agree we should not let lurkers stay silent, and should poke anyone that stays silent for to long. But there is a lot of value in not spamming down the thread if you are town, that will only make the scummy post harder to see. I'm mainly looking at you Xatalos, as you are on your third page in filter with like half of the post being oneliners. Even if town you will be detrimental to the town if you keep this up! There are others aswell, just used you as an example. -------- About Cora there are a few things I did not like and caught my eye. His opening post is not good, and if he's mafia hes basically just buying himself an excuse to lurk for day 1 and then come out day 2 and bring chaos onto the town. He also deflected a lot in his defence and basically just said "look at X he's scummier than me". And lastly he asked for people to vote for him if they found him scummy, which is very Anti-Town. I do not feel cora is mafia yet at least, but definetly worth to look at. ------- @Kish, can anyone that have played with him earlier say something about how he plays. He is deffo playing the most anti town atm, but he's also doing it on purpose which is frustrating. I really really do not like this post as an entry post: A) Sheeps everthing I have mentioned on Cora. B) Uses a big chunk of his entry post saying why cora is displaying mafia associated traits but won't vote him yet? C) Mentions Xatalos in a completely non-inquisitive manner, no justification on a read based on Xan's posts or anything. Sidesprang, what do you think of Xatalos so far? He has been pressured quite hard this game, were his responses more town alignment indicative to you? | ||
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On December 10 2013 09:55 Corazon wrote: I caught up to the thread and took notes. I must go for an hour and then I will be back with Xatalos case. I dunno kinda like to believe when people give time frames. | ||
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You then point out exactly what the last page or two was about in regards to spammers, everyone had already mentioned it, it isn't a contribution at all. | ||
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Why, if you say so many times, that votes are meaningless at the start of the game have you thrown out a vote only 6ish hours into the game? ----------------------------- I also would like your opinions on other people within the game too. What do you think of artanis' posting style so far? Do you think the points I wrote here are valid? : + Show Spoiler + On December 10 2013 08:01 Holyflare wrote: Is it not also a scum mindset to heavily defend themselves when attacked, unnaturally so? Also while defending themselves to then deflect upon another person? Why are you only looking for the people that are "starting shit"? I only know a few scum that play that way. Have you any scum meta on Xatalos that suggests he plays like he is? I don't like how you're so dismissive over cora without discussion when with Xantos you skim the filters to discuss him further. Look at the difference between these two points - on the one hand (cora) is dismissed by saying "I don't think scum plays that way" whereas the second (Xatalos) is "I have skimmed it briefly and think it's different because X,Y,Z. Question, question. _____________________________ In regards to the point that you made about cora, I don't think he's "putting himself out there" like you suggest, he said that he couldn't dedicate some time towards the game but would still post actively and got picked up on it and was like OMGNUUWRONGRAWRRR!!!!!! and then didn't discuss why with people further or indicate that he had reads on other people because of what happened. He left the thread and then returned when people started mentioning Xatalos and piggybacked upon that with no new reasoning other than what people had said before. He mentions how people in the thread were piggybacking previously (me, etc.) and had qualms with them but then does the same thing here: This is contradictary with his previous approach of disliking people that piggybacking and is essentially +1ing another players points. Take this in B2B for example, people had a bad read on him and he DISCUSSED why it was bad: He mentions WHY the case was bad etc etc, discusses it and outlines why he thinks it was bad croming from X player. Where is that here? It was a dissmissal of a case from me and a sheep onto townish consesus Xatalos. __________________________________________ I don't like how these things are most definitely brushed off for simplicity that "I don't think scum do this" when there is a body of evidence that suggests a player does not play like this. Vote Cora for best lynch. | ||
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On December 10 2013 12:15 Pandain wrote: Quick quedtion Holy do you think early game votes are pretty meaningless as well What possible use is this to any conversation present in this game? | ||
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On December 10 2013 06:53 Corazon wrote: Lol can I go one game without being the first one voted. Do you guys really think I'm more scummy at this point than Spag and Slam? I'm being open and honest with all of you. I'm not hiding anything. I've always tried to be genuine and not put up façades or wear masks. I'm telling you that I was going to be busy and I told you how I felt coming into this game. If you guys want to call me scum for that, go ahead. But just know that it is really silly to call me scum when Slam and Spag made one post and peaced out. Spag had to be coerced back into the thread and Slam still hasn't come back. Plutarch wasn't trying to prod me for discussion; he was trying to twist my words and call me scum. Holyflare is just piggybacking off of everyone else's arguments to take town credit. If you guys would look into the game, you would see that I am far from the scummiest player here. Also, it is good to know that you are all down for pressure voting so now I don't have to take your votes seriously until very close to the deadline. Sweet. I asked for your opinion on people and asked you to further elaborate on artanis based on what i've said, this is how I play mafia, there is no need whatsoever to. I didn't intend for you to only comment on him. | ||
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On December 10 2013 13:38 bumatlarge wrote: The best scum hunters aren't good early. Talkative scum have to be brilliant to not make mistakes early. They would only benefit if they are a lot quicker/smarter then us. I'd like I not think that. I disagree. | ||
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I disagree. This is a game of information, that information is gathered by lynching people. Wagons formed, wagons abandoned, interactions etc etc. What benefit do we have to determining the alignment of other players when we lynch into a pool of inactive players? There are vig's for things like that. The entire mention of lynching into lurkers promotes a stability to the players that can post the bare minimum as they won't get lynched, while we still gather nothing. I find it odd that, rather than wait to get to a pc and contribute, bumatlarge defaults to phone posting and has intent to guide people on how to perform in this game, talking about policy and strategy rather than waiting and contributing on things that have happened. Phone's aren't limited to policy talk, yet he has neglected to give any insight into what he thinks. __________________________ LSB, I likez your style. Want to wait for his replies though. | ||
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On December 10 2013 13:57 bumatlarge wrote: Facts>Analysis>information. Information is subjectively valued. In standard setups, information is massively overshadowed by conclusions drawn from all information. Information is a too insubstantial this early. I'd be more then happy to keep filling up the thread with this gentleman talk if you'll oblige. 1) What benefit to our fact and analysis tracking does talking about policy have? 2) What facts do we retrieve from lynching a lurker over someone that is actively participating? I think you are misreading information as information. Analysis and facts are made from information that we gather, what analsyis can we create from lynching off a "modkillable" player compared to the wealth of analsysis that can be created from a scummy, active player. _________________ Either way, I would much rather you talk about people in this game than further this discussion. What have you gathered so far? Were you able to fully catch up on your phone? | ||
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On December 10 2013 15:36 xigxag wrote: I wanted this in another post. A message to Holyflare and Xatalos: do not direct vig shots which you neither know exist nor know how to direct. You have both entered onto my radar for your directives and, to any vigis which may exist please do not listen to the above named posters. I have an early town read on kush and am interested in Alak but do not believe either is a good shot at this time in the game. Have you even read the game? Vig's are guarenteed in the setup and it's not "directing" vig shots. Threat of vig shot = threat of dying and if they are town they will stop trolling/step it up as I assume people enter this game to win. I think you're mistaking direction with pressure. | ||
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Compare the quote you just linked: On September 21 2013 12:39 kushm4sta wrote: how the fuck do i make a case on someone when it's like an hour into the game?? to this from this game: On December 10 2013 08:29 kushm4sta wrote: dude you need to chillax. it's like hours into the game. Where is the difference apart from the complete lack of anything this game? He has like 4 posts and they all distinguish nada. It is impossible to get a "town read" on anyone with that lack of content so to enter the thread as that being the only information you bring to the table is something that is highly questionable. Now as someone who was scum and spammed and wrote things like that do you not think one would evolve scum play to avoid the things that people saw as questionable (in this case the spam from noir)? I don't like how you have addressed Xatalos and cora - the main contention points in this thread as a side note, talking about vig's and telling him to cool down. Was there a reason you decided to do that rather than elaborate on things that have been said? | ||
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Also, just because they are not good lynches does not mean you can't elaborate on your reads on them, especially as they were both mentioned on your entry and are part of current events. You've given the information now so why was it that it needed to be dug for rather than your free kush town read and your need to look at alak more read? | ||
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On December 10 2013 16:32 xigxag wrote: I found them unimportant. Noting I had to say had been unsaid by the thread on the subjects of those two players. Things I had to say on Kush had been left unsaid. So you found the two players who have the most votes in the game at the moment unimportant to comment on at all? Are you just intentionally wanting to play oblivious to current events or what? You also mention in your entry post that Slam was "needed to be looked at more" and now you discredit that he could actually be scum too? Why is lynching slam not an attempt to lynch scum? | ||
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On December 10 2013 16:53 xigxag wrote: LSB already said it: both talky muchy neither swingy soony. Clear? That is all which was useful that I had to say about them. So why do you insinuate that you don't talk about anything unless it is vital to the thread that hasn't been said already but then you raise points about slam that he shouldn't be lynched and needs to be looked at. Why Slam over anyone else and how does that fit into this playstyle that you have created for yourself? He has been talked about quite a bit after all. | ||
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On December 10 2013 16:25 xigxag wrote: I think neither Corazon or Xatalos are good lynches. Which is why I mentioned neither of them. Cor's first post was atrocious, you'll have no arguments from me on that front. His follow up as been too attention grabbing for me to desire to vote him on day one. He is worth pressuring though and I need to understand him more to get a real read on him which I would be willing to commit to. Xatalos pooped on everyone in a dumb way early in the game. Alienating that many players as scum early on is unwise, he loses too much support for his lynch should he do that. It makes me uncomfortable to lynch him day one. I still need to know more of course but for now I find him non lynchable, Also there is a thing about him which suggests non-scum. I haven't decided if it suggests Sebastian the crab or town but it does suggest non-town. As of this moment I have not yet found a player I am willing to lynch. You can tell by the way my vote has not yet fallen on anyone. I think this quote displays my intentions quite well. Interchangeable with your name of course. | ||
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On December 10 2013 19:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I hunt scum based on finding scum reasoning. I didn't find it with Cora, but I did find it with Xata. Came onto new insights after being questioned. Any other questions? Every point I made on cora in my filter is fueled by a scum agenda so I see no reason why you would not investigate/discuss it further and then move onto Xatalos instead. | ||
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On December 10 2013 20:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Because Cora's initial post made me think he was unlikely to be scum and skimming through your post I didn't find anything that negated that. I needed to think about the original post again, apparently. Plutarch, I'll get back to you after breakfast and a shower. So in light of your new findings, re-read everything I said objectively and paint me the picture of cora's alignment from it. | ||
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On December 10 2013 20:07 sidesprang wrote: Okay I see I'm off to a rocky start. You might say I'm bandwagoning because I did not have any insight that I came up with myself, but it was the only read I had. Would you rather I stay silent? And I'm not willing to push for a lynch on Cora and Xatalos, I thought I made it clear I did in no way find them scummy enough to vote on yet. I dont like to fling my vote around without justification, and if I did so it would only make me look scummy. And for the second post I dont really see how you can say im bandwagoning, I was asked a question and I answered, I had no intentions of going after Xatalos at all. And now that grack and rayn basically said it was normal play for it. I will just assume that he inteded to create some discussion. You haven't given us any reasons as to why you aren't going to push them (apart fron xatalos). You displayed your reads on cora and found him worth checking into more. How has that now developed to not wanting to lynch at all and why are you not willing to push them for more information? | ||
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On December 10 2013 20:24 sidesprang wrote: If you read the rest of post I say I dont like to vote without justification and I have not looked into cora anything more since post nr2 (writting right before I went to bed), and post 3 was right 1h after I woke up. So I am still not any more or less willing to push for a lynch on cora than I was yesterday. Go read him now and respond when you have done so. | ||
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On December 10 2013 20:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: [/i]Interesting. In case you are not lying about the game you are talking about how do you explain your use of words [u]in my experience when it cannot possibly be "in your experience"? because he was obsing: Oatsmaster, Obzy, debears, yamato, marvellosity That is the list of obs in that game. | ||
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On December 10 2013 20:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: So when you are talking about Xatalos' scum meta why do you not look at games that are close to this one in terms of size? And games that are most recent (hint: Dessert)? Kush and Plutarch does either one of you have anything to say about my post on Xatalos? I'm not so sure they match up. In the ones that you linked they are all fluff and undecided. In this game he's discussing things and although is undecided I don't get the same feeling of style from it. | ||
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1) He says he dislikes lurkers a lot and will be hard on them this game - hasn't done that at all. 2) He has a list of 3 people that he thinks are scum: Xatalos, me? and purple (after not mentioning much/anything? about him) 3) Claimed he disliked piggybacking and then proceeded to piggyback onto Xatalos, +1ing slam. 4) After being pressured says he has to go, returns when Xatalos has started to gain traction and then pushes him (within the time he said he'd be gone). There are more but it's mostly in my filter. I don't like how you've left all that out though and only mentioned that 1 post has scummy nature to it. | ||
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On December 10 2013 21:09 Grackaroni wrote: I have come to the conclusion that Plutarch is WBG. he said he wasn't playing though! | ||
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On December 10 2013 08:42 Xatalos wrote: Alright then. If it's going to be like this, I don't want you alive at LYLO. Start doing something or die. ##Vote kushm4sta | ||
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On December 10 2013 21:32 Plutarch wrote: If I played in dessert why would I be using an older game as meta? You guys.... ok kita! ___________ As for spag: Lack of sleep evolved into fugue. Spag I killed you last game because we were blue sniping, the reason was that you were posting in a townie style but NOT ENOUGH content to appear too towny. If you want to change your game, now is the time to do it but don't scale back you need to go balls to the wall town play. Weak starts are always always always an issue. We don't know your alignment and your start suggests that you aren't doing anything to persuade us in the positive direction in general. All I've seen is your posts on Slam and that's pretty much it. You told us you didn't like our posts trying to find out whose smurfing, yet, you provided no alternate direction for us to garner our attention. Why was that? You say you have plenty of time but why is that? You have no content and you could be a real contender for a lynch. | ||
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On December 10 2013 21:55 Plutarch wrote: Is it wrong to be paranoid about scum rayne right now? I'm not seeing any crazy omgyouarescumrightnownothingcanchangemymind mentality, so it's always a possibility. Rayn.. why are you so agreeable in this game?? | ||
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On December 10 2013 22:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: My case on purple is that his interactions with LSB have no intention in proving his towniness or figuring out LSB's alignment. You certainly are misrepresenting the case intentionally or do not understand it. ................................................................... WHERE IS THE REAL RAYN | ||
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On December 10 2013 22:43 Grackaroni wrote: Rayn has a shitty vote (target someone for being dumb), when I explain to him that its shitty he makes no effort to convince me and instead tells other people I am scummy for shutting down his dumb case. I won't be surprised if he is scum and if he is town then he can go lose. GRACK how is his case bad in any shape or form? On December 10 2013 13:12 purpletrator wrote: @xata My initial read of LSB was that he was scum for throwing a shitty vote down and only following up when rayn pointed it out. He said how he never noticed my offer to reveal my identity, which I didnt think was townie mentality. If he'd seen it and just ignored it, then sure whatever hes just trolling. But to neglect to read the guy your voting, when his post was literally 1 above yours? That seemed messed up to me. On reading his PYP filter he does similar things where he misses key points in peoples posts. I dont want to go into detail because that game is ongoing. This post alone could just be an entire case and it would be fine, I've highlighted the relevant bit for you (yes all of it). Purple states that his vote on LSB was because he was neglecting to read posts about the target he was on. He then justifies his unvote by saying that he has read an ongoing game - where he does NOT know LSB's alignment - and he does the same thing. What logical thought process is that? TL:DR He does not know LSB's alignment in PYP so how can he unvote based on that game unless he knows his alignment in this one. | ||
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On December 10 2013 08:46 purpletrator wrote: Can we appeal to the vig(s) to shoot kush and/or slam for us? This guy was the first and was totally left out of being mentioned. | ||
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On December 10 2013 22:55 kushm4sta wrote: Maybe he does know LSB's alignment?? really inappropriate for anyone to talk about that game at all. oh my baddd, either way, he shouldn't use that as a reference because it means nothing | ||
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On December 10 2013 22:58 kushm4sta wrote: hes got a lot of decent scumhunting so far. Ehhh, most of artanis' posts are him defending cora or attacking xata based on his "scum agenda", I don't think there has been much scum hunting tbh. | ||
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Hey, HF, what did this mean? On December 11 2013 05:24 Holyflare wrote: I'm having real problems with bumatlarge right now. Oh, thanks for pointing that out! Well here's what I'm saying. Bumatlarge is a problem in our current environment. While the game is continuously developing with speech on people, reads on others and general scum hunting his attitude is not to participate in any of this for the majority of his first and second appearences in the thread. In fact, he urges AGAINST lynching people that aren't modkill territory. On December 10 2013 13:30 bumatlarge wrote: I say we lynch someone who is threatening to be modkilled. I've had that argument before and I still stand by that it's not the same as a no lynch. Now, as a town mindset, I don't mind this if he kept it to himself and slightly pushed for a pandain lynch over time by gently easing us into it with constructive points on why so and so is better to keep in the game than a player who looks like he just got caught up IRL. However, he effectively disregards that pandain plays actively as all alignments by saying he doesn't care what pandain is capable of: ?!?!?! I don't meta this early. Why would you think that last statement. Am I distracting you? What benefit do these interactions bring anyone other than to antagonise or hide his alignment? People are curious as to why he wants to lynch off pandain - who is quite clearly not here - and his first response is to question why people are annoyed rather than actively discuss. He is also quite happy to give out scum read BEFORE he has read anything to do with the players: On December 11 2013 01:58 bumatlarge wrote: Spaghetti man is pretty mafia. I'd lynch him if pandain was here. Kushmasta seems super silly. If you have to (/green) things this early that aren't questions to the host, you are playing badly. ##Vote Pandain and then we all know he completely backtracked by saying "oh i read you now you aren't scum"... A person he had a TOP scum read on suddenly becomes not scum - spag over everyone else so far - just because he decided it was apt to read up on the person he called scum after he called him scum. Giving out reads on people based off idea's in your head is not a town mentality, or if it is, it is indicative of a LAZY town, something that bumatlarge surely wouldn't be as he was trying to instruct people how to play town at the start of the game. I could do a play by play of his following posts but he actively neglects a player in this game (kush) by saying he won't respond to questions raised by him. That being said, this is the thing that stands out to me THE MOST.... Purple has not participated in this game really AT ALL, i'd lump him in with pandain in terms of activity except purple looks way more scummy. Bum dictates that he is not using meta at all in this game and actively persuades people to not do the same but then justifies purples reads on LSB when purple indeed used meta: On December 11 2013 03:35 bumatlarge wrote: I believe pressure is possible outside of immediate voting and lynching. I am not attempting to derail any of your hard work. I actually liked purples reason for getting off LSB, but as LSB said, he should look at any other finishe game LSB has played, of which there is many. His reason for getting on LSB in the first place is not good. That whole interaction seemed like a joke up until that point. That said, let smurfs smurf. I'm all about not reading metas this game if you haven't noticed. I need to see more from grackaroni to be convinced of anything. He liked purples reason for getting off LSB!?!??!?!?!?! (META META META META META) Not only was purples reasoning for getting off of LSB atrocious but he is then telling us that he accepts it as a logical reason based on meta (that he doesn't want us to use) for getting off LSB? Why is it that he can pick and choose when to accept meta for people like LSB and purple but not for people like pandain etc? There is no good reason other than to say he doesn't like a purple lynch. He knows purple is a smurf, purple has been bad this game. Let's leave him alone. That is NOT a logical conclusion to draw from the entirety of his filter. I don't like it at all. but then.... On December 11 2013 04:45 bumatlarge wrote: I have to agree. The post he voted LSB with really sells it. he agrees with rayn.................? I want to hear his responses but my unvote/vote is heavily leaning towards him right now. | ||
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On December 11 2013 07:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Well yeah, what I mean is you skated by with trolling because you happened to bus half your team as well. HF, I see a case that makes Bum hypocritical and bad, but not scum. I'd also appreciate it if scum stopped trying to get me lynched. It's not happening today Xata. I'm not scum for doubting my read. For a player that is trying to get people to play town in an optimal way do you not think it strange that he choses to be hypocritical on a person that is coming under heavy pressure? | ||
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On December 11 2013 08:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote: No, I just think he's bad and hasn't read properly. He has more overall posts than you do, don't you think he could town better than that at that point? | ||
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On December 11 2013 08:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Since when do contradictions make someone scum? I contradict myself all the time. It's scum that are worried about contradicting themselves because they don't know if they can explain it. I feel like you're searching for scum in the wrong way and nothing you posted in your analysis leads me to believe that he is scum. I don't think you understand. Contradictions in a normal play such as changing a read is fine, that can be seen as towny. However, almost half of his posts actively STATE that he dislikes to use meta but then he defends a player - who has a lot of votes - based on them using meta, whereas previously he dismissed everyone that has used it. That is an unacceptable contradiction. | ||
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On December 11 2013 08:35 Xatalos wrote: Fair enough. I'm just trying to think of another reason for this inconsistency, and it's hard to think of a satisfying reason. I guess we'll get a better picture of the situation when he comes back. purple is town and he's giving reasons to not lynch purple is scum and he's giving reasons to not lynch avoiding wagons all speculation that I don't want to look into atm | ||
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On December 11 2013 08:50 LSB wrote: Can someone who is more familiar with Alakaslam explain his relation to Chezinu? Or provide me a frame of reference for his play / meta call? He is emulating what chezinu is doing and is thus doing a read based style of play. I don't know what he is alignment wise based off meta though because he hasn't played like this with me before and i've played with him as both alignments. | ||
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On December 11 2013 09:06 LSB wrote: Probably I should include a reasoning: Should Alakaslam continue with his play it will be incredibly difficult to get a correct read from Alakaslam or any player he 'pressures'. I don't want to waste a DT check on him, nor do I want to have him at LYLO. I am of the belief that unless a seriously good candidate comes up, the day one lynch is probably the best time to get rid of lurkers/noncontributors. Question. Would scum alakaslam continue posting in this manner despite thread saying he'd get lynched for it? What would be the net benefit to that kind of scum play? | ||
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On December 11 2013 10:24 LSB wrote: By that same logic would town alakaslam continue posting in the manner despite thread saying he'd get lynched for it? What would be the net benefit to that kind of scum play? He has chosen a way to play and hopefully we can discourage him from continuing with it That's what I'm getting at, since we called him out on hit he actually switched his playstyle to a more coherent one and contributed and then reverted back to the old play intertwined with it. I see that as more of a wanting to use a strategy to discover information than survival tactics. | ||
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On December 11 2013 10:36 VayneAuthority wrote: depends on how you look at it. He reverted out of it once he picked up 2 quick votes and people were talking about maybe voting for him. When everything breezed over he went back to trolling. It can be twisted anyway you want it to be. From the story I just told, that's survival tactics. Well I'd agree but the last 2 pages of his filter are coherent and thoughts, it is only that last post that was quoted that was an out of the blue revert but as LSB said that was to illicit a reaction out of someone (stop ruining plans lsb)! So, in actuality he is contributing - or more to the fact that he isn't being detrimental like he was at the start. | ||
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On December 11 2013 11:11 VayneAuthority wrote: ? i read it and it's just him spamming ice or talking about the definition of trolling and one post where he says to lynch kush. not exactly coherent I'd say On December 10 2013 19:45 Alakaslam wrote: I feel kind of indignant. I thought my posts had almost too obvious meaning. I mean really... Anyway, how I gather a read. The way I gather reads needed(eeds) to change. Past methods weren't working, I am too stoic and bland and always wrong. I gotta shake things up or start co-hosting, and if I can't understand playing the game I won't be any good at balance. Xigxag, I wish I was quoting literature so that I could respond appropriately but I am wholly oblivious. If my light in a glass looks like Edison's work, let me assure you I am French. I am winging practically everything I say to maintain relevancy to this game. Do scum admit they are winging everything they say? On December 11 2013 03:39 Alakaslam wrote: Oh hello he had to go. Well, bumatlarge, maybe I will ask you this: does spaghetticus/xata interactions with the flaming fury maker (sorry) tell of anything at all? I am wanting to look at this as well. See what folks think. Also, I was the first to ask for a votecount. Does this strike you as alignment indicative, are you certain my filter is "shit"? Care to check it out? If anything it looks like slam is genuinely in a struggle to get to grips with how to recover back to townie status. I like his general direction from the end of page 3 to now. He is showing that he is willing to drop his previous state to get into the game rather than continue with an act that nobody liked. While certain aspects need to be polished, I don't think he's a great lynch for today. | ||
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On December 11 2013 11:41 bumatlarge wrote: Man, you are taking that too far now. Did you even read what I wrote? Here. Bum: I'm not going to meta Purple: LSB doesn't seem to read Bum:... LSB: LOL Holy: omg meta You just agreed with a players reasoning based on a game you played with LSB which is the definition of meta >_>..... I'm not going to hammer this point anymore because I'm sure everyone gets it now but if you are in fact town I want to see more scum hunting from you. For now, a current assignment. What do you think of LSB's vote choice and the case on sidesprang? | ||
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On December 11 2013 11:55 VayneAuthority wrote: to your first question, I wing everything I say regardless of alignment so I don't see how that is relevant. That's more of a personal choice to overthink things or just type. I think anyone would want to be considered town regardless of alignment and this is my theory: His scum team started yelling at him to stop fucking around in his chat or he is simply town and doesn't want to get lynched, because who does? Well I'm not saying he couldn't be scum or town but his attitude is improving and I don't think he's done anything scummy to warrant a lynch as of yet. | ||
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On December 11 2013 12:16 bumatlarge wrote: He is from Norway, his English might not be the best, but he has odd ways of approaching the game. He just needs to post more I think. LSB, can you point out exactly what the bait and switch was from? I made my initial case on cora to bait reads out of other people, sidesprang was one of the reactions that was negative. | ||
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On December 11 2013 13:24 Pandain wrote: So you actually have scum reads and decide to ignore them for a policy lynch Nice holy yes | ||
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On December 10 2013 08:20 Holyflare wrote: @Slam. What to you suggests that Xatalos is scum? (judging by your vote) What specifically outlined his motives as scummy rather than towny. If you reply in cryptics I will policy you! | ||
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On December 11 2013 14:12 Alakaslam wrote: This is hamstringing. I bluntly refuse, however on the basis that I stand by my former usefulness. What does 109 have to do with 35? If you are town then you absolutely have to change your playstyle so as not to die. It is your wincon, if you are town that is. Pandain your vote/post was pretty much the same as what I was saying so what's not to agree with? | ||
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On December 11 2013 15:19 bumatlarge wrote: I don't man, mafia don't single out people to send little messages. I've got this special power rangers post, and I think he was trying to tell me something. that was in reference to me to consolidate | ||
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On December 11 2013 15:52 VayneAuthority wrote: aren't they OMGUS'ing eachother? pretty sure they both want to lynch the other but pandain was sheeping my reasoning and bum has little reasoning | ||
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On December 11 2013 16:04 VayneAuthority wrote: I even explained why pandain was not in the thread, so yea that is fairly suspicious. I would have to go back and look at the timeline and see if he kept posting about pandain being the biggest lurker after I explained why everything i wrote in my case explains bum | ||
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On December 11 2013 16:16 Alakaslam wrote: Couldn't help peeking. Gonna be tired tomorrow. I had no clue what you were talking about HolyFlare, I googled that and I discovered. Previously, I had only seen a clip of that movie. It was at a laundromat and in the movie they were at a laundromat and I was watching the washer. Rain man was watching the dryer so my older brother said "look it's the future" and he got in a ton of trouble. I think that is why nobody told me about it XD Anyway, to clear a couple things up. I was asking bumatlarge to consolidate. And a lot of what mentions one person is actually universal. Hopefully I can tune in before deadline. what about the end of your post? x_x | ||
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On December 12 2013 05:44 JarJarDrinks wrote: @Cora when you take notes, you use font color tags? Why did nobody follow up on this apart from JJD? Not only are cora's notes up to only 1/4ish of the thread but they aren't even real notes. He didn't post them immediately when asked to even though he was around and only posted them at the end of the day. He has read up to page 21 but his last post/summary was on Xatalos' vote on him which occurred on page 17. This looks like he didn't have time to fully write these notes off the top of his head up to page 21 where he claimed he had read. He also mentions that his notes have 3 main points: On December 12 2013 03:00 Corazon wrote: To whomever asked: yes I have notes until page 21. I've been too busy to take notes since then. I will probably pick up with the notes starting D2. Do you want to see them? There are only 3 or so major points in them. One on Spag, one on purple, and one on Vayne Spag, purple, VA. Yet, within his notes these points never feature as main points + Show Spoiler + Plutarch with a really useless post to call out Slam to begin, says he has to leave and does Spag with a really bad first post coming into the thread and then leaving Plutarch then twists my words and attacks me for no reason, HF jumps on bandwagon HF tries to justify jumping on the bandwagon, citing “new information” Xatalos jumps on the bandwagon as well, not reading my response “looks like the game is starting well” Artanis challenges HF on whether talking about post restriction is scum or town Plutarch equates pressuring lurkers to LAL Xatalos votes for me, seems like he sees the bandwagon forming and wants to be the first one on it, then calls out slam for being inactive (conflict of interest) Purpletraitor “I am VT” Spag asks HF/Grack if their gamestyle is going to be different as town (what kind of question is this?), says that he will vote for a trolling Grack LSB enters by voting Purple, screams of trolliness and randomness HF makes a really terrible case and votes for me. He jumps way too hard to conclusions, saying I OMGUS’d and was playing defensive. Was he paying any attention at all to Basics mafia? Xatalos calls out a third person (kush), saying he will lynch a trolling kush Artanis defends me, saying that scum would not be so open with their play VA makes a decent but wrong point. Give him town cred for trying but he is wrong (also says he will not vote for me. He wants the right lynch, not the easy one. Big town cred) Xatalos +1s HF Xatalos attacks me, saying my post was “passable non-contribution” (which he is wrong) Kush proclaims he is doing a lurk strat...help us plz Spag defends himself, basically very defensive like me but he doesn’t get called out for it Alakaslam points out that Xatalos says Slam is scummier, yet votes for me Artanis/Slam say Xatalos is throwing shit around, Artanis votes for him Xatalos: “I’m always really aggressive as town” there is difference between being aggressive and throwing shit around Xatalos says my first post hoped people would glance over it. Makes no sense as if that was my goal, I would not have posted it first and attracted attention to myself Rayn enters, votes for Purple, Artanis disagrees about “scummiest vote in thread” LSB fears townie on townie action Artanis asks LSB for reads, LSB replies it is too early but says Xatalos needs a filter check HF attacks me without reading my filter, says that I’m attacking the flavor of the thread but that is exactly what he is doing to me (???) Xatalos says that his aggression is townie and he likes the start to the game (ofc he is going to say that, it’s non-indicative) Purple gets all mad and votes LSB, saying LSB is out to get him even though LSB isn’t (??) HF trying to draw discussion away from Xatalos but it was kind of off him for a page or so Slam is posting in riddles...damn it Xatalos finally talks about someone besides me, asks Spag for reads Xatalos calls me out for playing defensive cause I’ve had to defend his shit, so scummy Slam T.T votes for Xatalos HF makes another shit case and forgets to see how I defend his first one More T.T Slam...maybe he only makes sense when he is scum. Draws Spag’s vote Xatalos thinks sleeping is a scum tell....lol VA votes for Slam...i don’t mind that Spag wants to throw away D1 to lynch Slam...T.T Xatalos attacks another player, votes for Kush Xatalos calls out purple Xatalos votes for me. This guy can’t keep his story straight Town Reads: VA Scum Reads (in order): Xatalos, HF, purple (weak) For a main point to have purple included why is his scum read on purple "(weak)" compared to me and Xatalos? Why is spag considered a major point but does not feature in any of his scum or town lists? These things don't make any sense at all. The notes come to the conclusion of nothing either. His entire notebase is a summary of what happened but he doesn't conclude why X player would do Y action other than that action is scummy or that he doesn't mind it. This is not the mindset of Cora from B2B who was actually scum hunting. He has played the victim card WAY too many times and was quite happy to throw a vote on spag right at the end of the day to "get rid of a player who was on him"...... lol On December 12 2013 05:45 Corazon wrote: Yeah I might as well hammer Spag. Maybe I can have some breathing room with him gone. ##unvote ##Vote: Spaghetticus I was willing to lean off cora for a bit after the start of the game because of his attitude to being pressured because it was similar to B2B etc but I do not think it is real anymore, his notes only go up to page 17 not 21 so the fact that he doesn't have any opinions from after that means that he cannot possibly know whether or not "people are still on him" like he constantly whines about. This is a game of finding scum and he knows that a little pressure here and there on someone is a way to get to that goal yet, to draw no conclusions from it other than summarise (and colourise) posts is a feigning of contribution. Also, On December 12 2013 06:40 Corazon wrote: How is this thought process good. He thinks my responses are scummy yet doesn't try to see why I would respond like that. He just says they are scummy without looking at the big picture. I thought this was apt with his "notes" hahahahhaha cora is a funny guy. _______________________________________________________________________________ Then we have purple who unvotes cora BEFORE he posted the notes (just because he said he had them..?) onto spag On December 12 2013 05:18 purpletrator wrote: cora better have notes.... ##Unvote: Corazon ##Vote: Spaghetticus He has been sheeping Plu's reasoning a lot. I do not see anything constructive about Spag in any of his posts. One of the only larger posts in his filter is DEFENDING cora saying that this is how town cora would most likely play but then with regards to waiting for the notes he finds him increasingly more and more scummy. Not only does he NOT wait for cora to post the notes before he unvotes he actively sheeps onto the spag train. Cora eventually posted his notes but nothing was said in regards to them AT ALL. The person he voted for, waiting for notes, posted a god awful summary up to page 17 that had nothing conclusive and that didn't follow his suggested town/scum list and posts he made previously but decides that spag is the better lynch because plu said some good reasoning? I don't like it at all. ____________________________________________________________________________________________ Xatalos has posted many reasons for spag being town: + Show Spoiler + On December 11 2013 20:48 Xatalos wrote: By the way, I see Spaghetticus mentioned as a lynch candidate every once in a while. I don't really agree. Just look at these posts: They all just read to me as town. It's not impossible for this attitude to be a ploy, but the far more likely scenario is that Spag is just not afraid of suspicions at all. Which means town. I also agree with this: The only worrying part is that there isn't much scumhunting in his filter. The previous post is probably the post closest to scumhunting, although it didn't come to any conclusion. Alakaslam isn't a terrible lynch, but it's definitely the easiest way out of D1. And it's a bit worrying that Spag's only committal to a lynch is someone like him. Spag, if you're town, you need to step up your scumhunting. You mentioned that you had several slight scumreads, but you haven't shared any of them yet (except Corazon, I'd assume). Otherwise you're looking townish, but that's a worrying part about you. On December 12 2013 05:24 Xatalos wrote: Lol. This is probably the most bandwagony vote so far. Catching up. He actively protests against a spag lynch, see's both of his scummy reads (artanis and purple) are on spag but thinks he's a good vote anyway? On December 12 2013 05:41 Xatalos wrote: I really don't like the Spag wagon. It has both Artanis and purple... And neither of them provided any reasoning for voting him. On December 12 2013 05:45 Xatalos wrote: That's true. Since it seems to be between Spag and VA, I agree that Spag is the better choice. ##Unvote ##Vote Spaghetticus I'm pretty sure he has never mentioned VA in any of his filter, has a town tell post on Spag, has scum reads on this wagon and still votes him? I don't buy it. ___________________________________________________________________________________ On December 12 2013 05:40 LSB wrote: Spaghetticus filter is just one giant mess of him trying to stir up activity, to me he is trying to show himself as being more active than he actually is. Unfortunately between Spag and VA I am not confident about someone being scum, but Spag's filter suggests to me that he is more likely than not mafia ##Unvote ##Vote: Spaghetticus Has no activity other than sidesprang, which he meakly pushes when he's actually around. Really mediocre reasoning. Nothing other than this on spag. 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On December 12 2013 20:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Actually if we look at LXIII scum voted a lot better than town. Being right or wrong has no bearing on your alignment. you're wrong, the entire scum team could be found by analysing the BC wagon | ||
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On December 12 2013 21:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote: What I mean is that being correct doesn't mean you're more or less likely to be scum. It's more complicated then that. Anyone joining in on the bandwagon despite having a townread on Spaghetti before the bandwagon began. I haven't gone back to check out who yet. i've done that all for you -.- | ||
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well the people that I mentioned in my analysis post (not really a list i guess) | ||
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On December 12 2013 21:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: In fact you defend Spag multiple times, your scumreads vote for him, and you end up voting for him. It makes no sense to me. Xatalos has posted many reasons for spag being town: + Show Spoiler + On December 11 2013 20:48 Xatalos wrote: By the way, I see Spaghetticus mentioned as a lynch candidate every once in a while. I don't really agree. Just look at these posts: They all just read to me as town. It's not impossible for this attitude to be a ploy, but the far more likely scenario is that Spag is just not afraid of suspicions at all. Which means town. I also agree with this: The only worrying part is that there isn't much scumhunting in his filter. The previous post is probably the post closest to scumhunting, although it didn't come to any conclusion. Alakaslam isn't a terrible lynch, but it's definitely the easiest way out of D1. And it's a bit worrying that Spag's only committal to a lynch is someone like him. Spag, if you're town, you need to step up your scumhunting. You mentioned that you had several slight scumreads, but you haven't shared any of them yet (except Corazon, I'd assume). Otherwise you're looking townish, but that's a worrying part about you. He actively protests against a spag lynch, see's both of his scummy reads (artanis and purple) are on spag but thinks he's a good vote anyway? I'm pretty sure he has never mentioned VA in any of his filter, has a town tell post on Spag, has scum reads on this wagon and still votes him? I don't buy it. Why are you just mimicking what I say? I asked you people that you found scummy based on their votes from my post and you mentioned Xatalos but then you only just realise this reasoning? That means you didn't actually read my post at all. Why not? | ||
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On December 12 2013 21:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes i know consolidation does not make them townie. It also does not make them more scummy. That's basically my point. When we are talking about voting analysis, i thought you were trying to show why those people's voting for Spag was scummy. I disagree with that. I am not talking about their other actions in this game. It was just a post outlining spag votes that did not follow a set thought process that was displayed in the game, consolidating without saying such is a similar reason. | ||
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On December 12 2013 21:50 Xatalos wrote: Unfortunately I had an exam after that Artanis debacle and the battery of my phone ran out. So I came home and it was basically Spag vs VA (like 30min to deadline). It would have been unrealistic to bring someone else to the competition (especially since all my townreads were already wanting to Spag). And probably harmful as well (distracting the discussion about Spag/VA). So I went for Spag despite not liking the wagon too much. When was this artanis debacle exactly? If you had an exam and retuend with 30 mins to lynch then you can't possibly have had time to read up on a spag lynch (who was your town read) and change your mind on him enough to vote him over a NULL read VA. | ||
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You based your entire gameplay on 8 pages, have not developed reads over that time and "consolidated" onto spag. I mention many people in my gameplay, not just you but you neglect to see that. | ||
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On December 13 2013 00:06 Corazon wrote: Maybe it's because I have to deal with people like you who kill my will of playing with stupid accusations that I get pestered with all game Spag got accused all day and he fought fought fought, why is it your right to be silly and whiney and complain to us all day just because you got pestered? Like I said, if you can't handle the pressure I suggest you shadow people to learn how to do it or seriously reconsider mafia as the game for you. | ||
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On December 13 2013 00:32 Corazon wrote: Lol I'm not scum and I wouldn't act this way if the accusations against me weren't a mix of confirmation bias bullshit. Just vote me out. I'm done bye bye, nice to know you never played the game since day 1 though -.- | ||
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If corazon was town then bull shit/confirmation biased cases from people would be sign that they were making things up and would therefore be scum, that way they need to be pressured. If corazon is scum then points made against him are correct, he calls them bull shit and tries to convince the people that they are confirmation biased and wrong because he knows they are town and not scum. This mentality is easy to spot and it is why he is scum, easy day 2 lynch for scum kill. Let's discuss day 3 please. | ||
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On December 13 2013 00:41 JarJarDrinks wrote: Actually Cora, I'm confused. I thought you had HF as a scumread. You did in ur notes @ least. How can he be confirmation biased then? If you really think HF is scum then why would you be pissed off that he's trying to get you lynched? How would you like him to act? That's why he is scum and knows that I am town. | ||
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On December 13 2013 00:58 JarJarDrinks wrote: If I didn't just play a game w/ cora where he played the scummiest game I've ever seen a townie play I'd say that he was practically confirmed scum @ this point. I just can't get past the fact that this is just how he plays as town. Does anyone have a scum game of his I can check out? yes but realise in that game he formulated his own reads and thought that nobody was listening to him so he was "forced???" to claim cop to make people listen.... this game is totally different, his only scum game was from a year ago and he didn't have time constraints at that time so take it with a very minute grain of salt | ||
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Says if people think he is scum, vote him off he won't be mad. Says he can't keep up with the game but still has the ability to call people scum. yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehhhhhhhhhhhhhhh | ||
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On December 13 2013 02:15 LSB wrote: I don't get how this bait and switch thing turned into us trying to lynch the bait and ignoring the switch because i somewhat like the switches remarks and the bait is poo | ||
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On December 13 2013 02:19 LSB wrote: What if we lynch both? No saying that Cora is scum (or town) I haven't read him yet Need to interact with sprang some more but i wouldn't mind | ||
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You then complain that people only comment on a single bit of cases but then you just did the same thing on my vote analysis post, there was much more than just you in it. Don't double standard me now. Anyway, i will entertain you for now. Who do you think is the scummiest person coming out of the votes yesterday? | ||
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Lynch cora, artanis, xatalos, bum, grack most of those are scummy | ||
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Lonemeow shadow qt | ||
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