So Mig would see MZ's health and he did claim seeing it.
MZ has no reason to lie about being hit as scum.
Therefore we can assume he used his clone (why would he lie about not taking dmg?).
So, why did MZ use his clone on N1 as mafia? Again, did he assume he would take 1000 KP from town?

raynpelikoneet

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December 11 2013 00:25 GMT

#6011

On December 10 2013 12:33 Mig wrote:
Mz - n1 I got 825 back as my result. N-2 I got nothing back so my shot did not hit you. Either it was stopped or you were protected.

How is it impossible again?
Fuba claimed roleblocked. Is there 2 roleblockers? What?
Who is lying?

raynpelikoneet

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December 11 2013 00:28 GMT

#6015

The problem is why the fuck would you ever use the clone as mafia unless you are < 500 hp or smth if you have like... any other ability? That's just dumb, unless you somehow know / assume town will hit you with like 1000 KP. Why does noone think about these things?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

December 11 2013 00:29 GMT

#6016

On December 10 2013 22:48 Mid or Feed wrote:

Show nested quote +

Yes

Don't talk bullshit please. Neither Fuba's power nor the item use went through. Why are you talking bullshit LSB?

raynpelikoneet

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December 11 2013 00:31 GMT

#6019

On December 11 2013 09:30 justanothertownie wrote:

Show nested quote +

Because he had LEGIT REASONS to assume he would be hit with a big amount of KP N2 after that lynch.

That's bullshit. Town did not consolidate KP so there is no reason to assume anything like that.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

December 11 2013 00:33 GMT

#6021

I have hard time believing town even has over 500 kp in this game.. let alone 900..

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

December 11 2013 00:44 GMT

#6030

Even if we take "best case scenario":

Chezinu 900 damage - scum
Mig 50 damage - town
VisceraEyes 50 damage +200 - scum
raynpelikoneet 100 damage - town (ss)
Risen 325 damage - let's assume town but -100 in that case (ss)
Coagulation 50 damage - town
ticklishmusic 749 damage - scum

so town has 425 dmg + mig 150 dmg = 575 dmg.

I am pretty sure scum are at some level aware of how much KP town has.
Even if town focuses all damage on MZ, why would he use his clone? He does not even die.
Does town focus all dmg on MZ? Fuck no. This town is in no way capable of doing that even if MZ was confirmed scum rofl.

So again, why use clone on N2?

raynpelikoneet

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December 11 2013 00:49 GMT

#6035

On December 11 2013 09:47 justanothertownie wrote:

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lol rayn. This defense is really stupid. When would he use it if not N2 after being the main counterwagon to the lynched townie with tons of suspicion on him? If his second ability is anything like the one he claimed that one is useless anyways. You are telling us scum has no problem taking unnecessary damage because "maybe it doesn't kill me flat out"? Besides I don't think scum was sure about the amount of damage town is able to do at night 2.

When he has been hit so much he actually can reasonably assume town can kill him that night..

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

December 11 2013 00:51 GMT

#6036

If i was scum i wouldn't give a shit if someone hits me with 100 damage 5 times. Why? Because that does not mean shit because i am still alive..

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

December 11 2013 00:54 GMT

#6041

Again, who the fuck cares if you have 900 or 700 or 600 hp as scum? When town starts consolidating all KP on one target then it might become a problem.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

December 11 2013 00:57 GMT

#6044

So JAT if you were scum!MZ you would have used your clone on N2 when whatever town does you know you can't die instead of something like N4-5 when town starts thinking "maybe we should use all KP-roles to kill MZ"?

Are you seriously suggesting that using the clone on N2 as mafia is a better option? How much damage did MZ block. 150, hooray, fucking best clone use ever!

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

December 11 2013 00:58 GMT

#6050

But yeah Mig, hit MZ instead. It's basically like a cop. If MZ did use his clone on N1 there is no way he is scum.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

December 11 2013 01:01 GMT

#6053

and you just got dunked by ticklish.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

December 11 2013 01:04 GMT

#6056

MZ they are arguing that you did not in fact use the clone on N1.
But the logic is so bad it's not worth arguing against.
It basically makes no sense fo you as scum to use the clone on N2 even if you did not use it on N1.

raynpelikoneet

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December 11 2013 01:05 GMT

#6057

On December 11 2013 10:01 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Mig shoot me again.

+1

free cop check on the guy all the scummy people call scum.
best profit.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

December 11 2013 01:06 GMT

#6059

If they roleblock Mig doesn't matter, VE can check MZ too :D

raynpelikoneet

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December 11 2013 01:08 GMT

#6065

On December 11 2013 10:06 justanothertownie wrote:
All abilities that would have hit you hit your clone instead.
I think that includes alignment checks.

Can someone tell me why we assume mkfuba was roleblocked because his ability didn't work? If he tried to use item + ability that might have been too much. Didn't people say you could only do one thing at a time?

Why don't you just take the free cop check on MZ? It's N3, if he used his clone on N2 he can't use it on N3.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

December 11 2013 01:11 GMT

#6072

On December 11 2013 10:09 ticklishmusic wrote:
no, we want to stick with the original plan of focusing one scum member i think...

yes, but i got a PM stating i couldnt ult and use my normal ability at once when i tried. i'm sure host would have told us if you can only use item or ability. besides, didnt whoever pop the ambulance radio use their ability as well?

So you are gonna let everyone just call MZ scum when you can have a free cop check on him and JL won't die to the KP anyways?
What's this bullshit? Why don't people think with their brain?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

December 11 2013 01:13 GMT

#6078

Basically you have 2 options:
1) JL takes damage and does not die
2) JL takes less dmg and does not die + MZ's alignment is clear

"I'll take option (1)"

And this kinda logic is why this town loses this game. And why do i even care. This should be pretty easy for anyone with half a brain.